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May 11th, 2013
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My Take: ‘Gay Christian’ is not an oxymoron

Editor’s note: Justin Lee is the Executive Director of the Gay Christian Network and author of Torn: Rescuing the Gospel from the Gays-vs.-Christians Debate.

By Justin Lee, Special to CNN

(CNN)–In high school, I was a Christian know-it-all.

My nickname was "God boy," and I was known for regularly preaching at my friends about social issues of the day. I dismissed their objections - and accusations of homophobia - as intolerance for my faith.

"I'm just telling you what God's Word says," I'd argue.

Years later I realized my mistake. What my peers most objected to wasn't my beliefs - it was my condescending attitude. I debated and preached when I should have listened. I thought that stating my position loudly and unyieldingly was a sign of strength. In the process, I alienated my friends.

I'm still an evangelical Christian, but one thing is now crystal clear to me. American evangelicals' bad reputation isn't just because of what we believe. It's mostly because of how we behave.

When ESPN commentator Chris Broussard was criticized for saying that openly gay NBA player Jason Collins was “openly rebelling against God,” some evangelicals argued that conservative theological views are no longer tolerated in America.

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But they're missing the point.

Broussard's language didn't just express a religious view about sexual morality; it referred to gay people in ways that were dehumanizing, reducing all gay people's lives to a single sex act. Other outspoken Christians routinely say even worse things, comparing gay people to pedophiles, for example.

No one is immune from criticism in a free country with diverse beliefs. But if Christians feel particularly singled out at times, I'd argue that our perceived lack of empathy for others is largely to blame.

I can often test a Christian's level of empathy by offering a single admission: When I was 18, I realized that I'm gay.

Empathetic Christians are typically intrigued by such a statement, even if they also question how a conservative Southern Baptist could also be openly gay. They want to know about my struggles, how my family and church responded, and whether I ever feel my faith and sexuality are at odds with one another.

I love these questions, because they show that the other person genuinely sees me as a human being.

But far too often, Christians respond not with curiosity and questions but with politics and preaching.

They quote Bible passages at me, make assumptions about my faith, or tell me why they’re opposed to same-sex marriage.

I'm no longer a person to them; I'm a symbol of a culture war. A battlefield. And when I don't want to be treated that way, they assume I'm turning away because I didn't really want to hear the truth.

This kind of behavior is why so many of my LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender) friends want nothing to do with the church.

But it's not only them.

In my book, "Torn: Rescuing the Gospel from the Gays-vs.-Christians Debate," I share the story of Cindy, a conservative evangelical mom whose life was thrown into turmoil when her son told her he was gay.

This wasn't a political question for Cindy; it was a personal one. But the dehumanizing rhetoric about gay people she heard from the pulpit made her afraid to talk to anyone at church about her son's sexuality.

Christians are not a monolithic group. I know many empathetic Christians, including many who speak up regularly for their LGBT brothers and sisters.

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The loudest megaphones do not speak for the rest of us, but they are still loud, and legion. To them I say: Gay people are not an issue. We're people. Some of us are Christians, too. And if it disturbs you that I refer to myself as both gay and Christian, I invite you to take the time to get to know me, and read what I write. You don't have to agree, and you might think I’m a sinner, but at least you’ll see me as a human being.

Baptist minister and author Tony Campolo quips that Jesus entreated Christians not to "love the sinner and hate the sin," but to "love the sinner and hate your own sin."

Jesus saved his harshest words for the self-righteously devout and chose the outcasts and sinners as his closest friends.

Perhaps a lesson in Jesus-style humility might do us all some good.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Justin Lee.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Homosexuality • Opinion

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  1. lol??

    "Rom 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

    If you dumb as*s A&A's don't even know or want to know this, why don't you go find another humanoid group to hate?? Start a war, steal, kill, become a qweir, the usual

    May 13, 2013 at 12:54 pm |
    • Science

      To simple ..................the fairy and the red devil did not create US................

      MOM and DAD did !

      Or you know.............lol??

      May 13, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Poor lolly. Stuck trolling because he/she has no friends.

      May 13, 2013 at 2:14 pm |
  2. CommonSensed

    So it's OK for you to interpret your god's word. Got it. Anything else you want to justify?

    May 13, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
    • Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

      You have to interpret it. You see, God was a lousy writer and instead of leaving clear instructions, he told a lot of strange tales and useless genealogies. The part where he did leave clear instructions, in Leviticus and Deuteronomy, show his rules suck big time, so much so that Christians now claim they don't apply anymore. Jesus said every word does, and he made them stricter, but Jesus is inconvenient, so Christians interpret him to mean they don't have to obey. Just like "sell your goods and give the proceeds to the poor" does not mean "sell your goods and give the proceeds to the poor."

      Interpretation necessary

      May 13, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
    • JMEF

      Interpretation, sell all your goods.........morphed into make lot of goods give us 10% do what you want with the rest and we will fix it for you with jesus, got it.

      May 13, 2013 at 1:13 pm |
  3. Cpt. Obvious

    God's existence is irrelevant because of his invisiblity and undetectability.

    When god's existence can be detected and measured by verifiable experiment, then we may discuss how we should feel about it. Until then, it is irrelevant.

    Case closed.

    May 13, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
    • lol??

      Expect some resistance from the billions of humans that correctly ID you as a POS.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:58 pm |
    • Cluckles the Boneless Chicken Fails Miserably in his Attempt to Cross the Road

      God's game of hide-and-seek is totally necessary for the free will that you cannot possibly have if there is an omniscient god.

      May 13, 2013 at 1:00 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      meh... If only god would offer some resistance–at least enough so that we could detect his existence. Oh well.

      May 13, 2013 at 1:02 pm |
  4. Science

    To simple ..................the fairy and the devil did not create US................

    MOM and DAD did !

    Or you know!

    May 13, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      and their mom and dad and their mom and dad ............................and their mom and dad Adam and Eve, and his dad, God!

      May 13, 2013 at 12:50 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Genetics proves that wrong AH. What else do you have?

      May 13, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
    • meifumado

      @ Atheist Hunter

      I repeat, It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful.

      Yes that is directed at you.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:58 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      The present scientific information available from work on mtDNA, although not all the conclusions drawn from it, can be entirely reconciled with the Biblical account. Noah's family, being the sole survivors of a previously large population, colonised a particular area, increased in numbers, and then migrated simultaneously in many different directions following the Tower of Babel. The relatively small amount of change since that migration can easily be explained by contracting the time span of 75,000 or 190,000 – 240,000 years to a much lower figure. Far from being incompatible, a recent origin of less than 10,000 years for man is likely to be entirely supportable from the present scientific facts.

      May 13, 2013 at 1:00 pm |
    • God's Mom and Dad

      And we created God. Cute little guy, Goddy. At least we think so. He was invisible, and he loved to hide and demand everyone believe in him first before he would show himself, which he still didn't do.

      We should have gotten him a good psychiatrist.

      May 13, 2013 at 1:02 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      Atheist Hunter, you're wrong. Why do you despise wisdom and understanding?

      May 13, 2013 at 1:05 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Incorrect AH.
      Two sets of genes cannot account for humans. They have traced back to approx. 600 mating pairs.
      Not one genetic set, then another created from that genetic set, then no choice but incestuoustly propagating from there. It is an impossibility.

      Our animal ancestors genetic code is still in our DNA. WHy do we grow gill slits while in the womb? Because at some point in our lineage, we were fish. It's all written in the DNA.
      Try again.

      May 13, 2013 at 1:07 pm |
    • Zebediah Obadiah Tinklebaum

      RC, are you DJ?

      May 13, 2013 at 1:12 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      DJ?

      May 13, 2013 at 1:15 pm |
    • Zebediah Obadiah Tinklebaum

      nevermind

      May 13, 2013 at 1:51 pm |
  5. Gay Marriage Watch

    Same-se-x marriage in the U.S.

    Done deal: Connecticut, Delaware, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington & the District of Columbia.

    Who's next?
    Illinois: Gov. Pat Quinn called on the Illinois House to send him legislation to legalize gay marriage, saying lawmakers had plenty of time to make up their mind on the issue. The state Senate passed the measure on Valentine's Day, and the governor has said he's ready to sign it.

    New Jersey: Gov. Christie doesn't seem to be against gay marriage coming from a ballot measure, but has stated in the past he would veto such a change from legislators. This was his stance before the President changed his views. If Christie reconsiders, NJ could be sooner than expected.

    California: It seems gay marriage will be in CA soon one way or the other. This is because polls show a much larger support for gay marriage than when Prop 8 was passed. So even if the upcoming SCOTUS case were to fail, it would likely be put to voters there very soon again.

    Hawaii: Already has some good laws on the books evidently, and although things have been put on hold until after 2013, legislators there are attempting to speed up the process.

    ==========================
    Let's see around the globe:

    Done deal: Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Iceland, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Uruguay, & portions of Brazil.

    In the works:

    France: Has already passed same-se-x marriage bill in both houses; president intends to sign; right-wing party plans to challenge in the Consti tutional Council to try to force a delay on enactment.

    Germany: On 22 March 2013 the Bundesrat passed an initiative to open marriage to same-se-x couples, which now moves onto the Bundestag for approval.

    Ireland: On 14 April 2013 as part of the Consti tutional Convention a measure voted in favour of same-se-x marriage by a margin of 79 percent.

    UK: On 5 February 2013, the House of Commons debated the Marriage (Same Se-x Couples) Bill and approved it in a 400–175 vote at the second reading. (Third reading to be scheduled.)

    Finland: 03-19-2013: The citizens' initiative overrides the committee's decision, and thus the bill must now be considered by the Parliament.

    Brazil: In November 2012, the Court of Bahia legalized same-se-x marriage in the state of Bahia. In December 2012, the state of São Paulo legalized same-se-x marriage. More Brazilian states are considering measures.

    Luxembourg: On 6 February 2013, the Chamber's justice committee agreed to approve the measure opening marriage for same-se-x couples. On 20 February, the committee initially backed the right to simple adoption for same-se-x couples. On 6 March 2013, the committee confirmed that position.

    Australia: lower house MP will seek to have his Marriage Equality Amendment Bill brought for an immediate vote in the House on June 6.

    Mexico: rulings due this summer.

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iKqr230U9M&w=640&h=360]

    May 13, 2013 at 12:48 pm |
  6. mama k

    I see from some of the comments and questions that some still don't have a basic education about homosexuality. The poster "Atheist Hunter" below is an obvious example. Muslims lead the way as having the most uneducated, disenfranchising stance toward gays. But many Christians are not far behind. Just last week CNN reported some gays being arrested in Zambia which is a predominantly Christian nation.

    Christianity has always been conflicted on social issues, but this current hot topic really highlights the extremism within Christianity. One sect calls homosexuality an abomination while the next one (over four million members) in the same denomination is already performing gay marriage. Thomas Jefferson hit the nail on the head over 200 years ago:

    Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.

    (from Notes on the State of Virginia, 1785)

    Some claim that Christianity and science are not incompatible, yet we find many who continue to ignore current scientific knowledge on the issue of homosexuality. Is the problem poor education, steadfastness to one's own flavor of biblical interpretation, or both?

    Whatever your religion, whatever your belief, with gay marriage coming quickly to the U.S., now is the time to at least have a basic education about homosexuality.

    The following is long, but note the quote from Professor MIchael King below in the section on psychology.
    =========================================================
    Psychology

    The American Psychological Association states "there are probably many reasons for a person's sexual orientation and the reasons may be different for different people", and says most people's sexual orientation is determined at an early age. Research into how sexual orientation in males may be determined by genetic or other prenatal factors plays a role in political and social debates about homosexuality, and also raises concerns about genetic profiling and prenatal testing."

    Professor Michael King states: "The conclusion reached by scientists who have investigated the origins and stability of sexual orientation is that it is a human characteristic that is formed early in life, and is resistant to change. Scientific evidence on the origins of homosexuality is considered relevant to theological and social debate because it undermines suggestions that sexual orientation is a choice."

    The Royal College of Psychiatrists stated in 2007:

    "Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person's fundamental heterosexual or homosexual orientation. It would appear that sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment. Sexual orientation is therefore not a choice."

    Biology

    The following is from the article:

    Homosexuality ultimately a result of gene regulation, researchers find (12/11/2012 – LiveScience)

    [ The search for a "gay gene" may be off-target, new research finds. Another process called epigenetics that switches genes on and off may explain why homosexuality runs in families.

    Epigenetics are heritable changes caused by factors other than DNA. Instead of traits getting passed down through the genes, epigenetic change happens because of the way genes are regulated, or turned on and off.

    These genetic regulators may be the reason homosexuality persists in nature despite the fact that gay people are less likely to reproduce, suggests the new study published in the journal The Quarterly Review of Biology.

    "These things have evolved because they're good for the parents, but they sometimes, not [with] high frequency, but sometimes carry over" into offspring, study researcher William Rice, an evolutionary geneticist at the University of California, Santa Barbara, told LiveScience. In a male fetus, Rice and his colleagues write, an epigenetic change that benefited the mother may lead to "feminization" of sexual preference — homo- or bisexuality. The same may be true for epigenetic changes passed down by dad to a female fetus. (The terms feminization and masculinization of sexual preference refer to sexual orientation only — not to physical or personality traits of the offspring.)

    The findings add to past research suggesting gay men haven't died out, because female relatives of gay men tend to have more children on average than other females. The study researchers specifically found that two genes passed on through the maternal line could produce this effect.

    Hormones, epigenetics and orientation

    Rice and his colleagues focused on epi-marks, which are molecular changes that act like temporary "switches" to turn genes on and off. If a gene is a blueprint, the epi-mark is the construction foreman who makes sure the product gets built. An epi-mark also determines when, where and how much a gene is expressed, according to the National Institute for Mathematical and Biological Synthesis.

    These molecular switches are usually erased very early in the developmental process, but they can be passed down from generation to generation, too, Rice said.

    Some epi-marks are particularly important during fetal development, when they promote normal physical development in the sexes despite natural variations in testosterone during pregnancy. Researchers know that fetal exposure to too much testosterone can masculinize the genitals, brain or behavior of a genetically female fetus. Likewise, too little testosterone can make a genetically male fetus more feminized.

    But here's the catch: There's lots of overlap between the levels of testosterone male and female fetuses get exposed to. That means there must be another side to the story, Rice and his colleagues wrote.

    That side appears to be epigenetics, Rice said.

    "Early in development, we think these epi-marks are laid down so that girl fetuses will be relatively insensitive to testosterone and male fetuses will be relatively sensitive to testosterone," Rice said.

    Biological behavior

    Thus, if an epi-mark that kept a mother from getting exposed to high testosterone in development gets passed on to her son — the opposite sex — it could desensitize him to testosterone, contributing to his sexual preference for men. Similarly, if a male-specific epi-mark from dad gets passed to a daughter, it could "masculinize" her sexual preference, making her more interested in women.

    These findings could explain why twin studies show that homosexuality runs in families, but no "gay gene" can be found, Rice said. In identical twins, there's about a 20 percent chance that if one twin is gay, the other will be too. If genetic change were responsible for homosexuality, you'd expect a much higher match, Rice said. Epigenetics, however, can explain the heritability without the need for a specific genetic change.

    The hypothesis could be tested by examining epigenetic marks in parents of kids with gay versus straight offspring, Rice said. There are, of course, concerns that this knowledge could be used by parents who want to avoid gay offspring, Rice said, but that concern already exists around certain hormonal conditions in utero, which are known to contribute to an increased chance of offspring being lesbians.

    "That cat's already out of the bag," Rice said. He added that an understanding of the biological underpinnings of homosexuality could help emphasize that same-sex behavior is not "unnatural."

    "In fact, it's a major part of the natural world," Rice said. Fourteen percent of Western gulls raise chicks in female-female pairs, he pointed out. And 8 percent of male sheep show zero interest in fertile ewes, but get sexually excited by other rams. ]
    =========================================================

    May 13, 2013 at 12:45 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      mama k...............The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:54 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      Atheist Hunter, you should not despise wisdom and instruction so much as you do.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      AH
      ALL gods that men have made is in answer to ignorance. Men create gods to answer questions when he does not know the answer. We know a lot more about the natural world now, and see gods are not a part of it.

      May 13, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
  7. Atheist Hunter

    2 Timothy 3:1-5 ...'This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.'

    You only need to take a look at the news to see the truth of this. This is one of the many great signs that we are in the last days. The acceptance of ho mos exuals is growing by the day. One of the things that God calls an abomination has been accepted by the world. And the saddest thing is, even certain faiths and churches have accepted ho mos exuality as well. There are now openly practicing hom ose xuals in church positions. Why? Because the professing Christian church has left the Word of God, to fit in with the world. Apostasy has spread right throughout the professing church, and it will get worse in the last days ahead.

    May 13, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
    • Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

      Sold your goods and given the proceeds to the poor yet? No? Why did you abandon God's word?

      May 13, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
    • meifumado

      Stay well away from children.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      As a matter of fact I have. It's very freeing! Try it!

      May 13, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
    • Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

      Apparently that didn't include your computer.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:53 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      but it did, this is not mine.

      May 13, 2013 at 1:02 pm |
    • Doobs

      Your "prophecy" is nothing more than "There will be bad people in the world who do bad things to others." Could you give me an example of when there were no bad people doing bad things? It's just a statement, not a prophecy. It doesn't prove god or that the end is nigh.

      You are falling for Psychic/Religious Scams 101. "There will be no rain for six months." Come back in six months and I can probably point to somewhere in the world there has been no rain for six months. If not, I can just say that it didn't necessarily mean six months from May 13, 2013. It might mean a different time period, or it might mean three months here and three months next year. Or, "rain" might mean "glacier". See how easy it is to be a prophet?

      May 13, 2013 at 1:12 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter's Church

      Sucker! We fleeced him good!

      We need more zealots like him!

      May 13, 2013 at 1:29 pm |
  8. Atheist Hunter

    Is it possible to be a gay Christian? If the phrase “gay Christian” refers to a person who struggles against ho mose xual desires and temptations – yes, a “gay Christian” is possible. However, the description “gay Christian” is not accurate for such a person, since he/she does not desire to be gay, and is struggling against the temptations. Such a person is not a “gay Christian,” but rather is simply a struggling Christian, just as there are Christians who struggle with for nication, lying, and stealing. If the phrase “gay Christian” refers to a person who actively, perpetually, and unrepentantly lives a hom ose xual lifestyle – no, it is not possible for such a person to truly be a Christian.

    May 13, 2013 at 12:35 pm |
    • Cluckles the Boneless Chicken Fails Miserably in his Attempt to Cross the Road

      Then it is impossible to be a wealthy Christian or a divorced Christian too, for Jesus himself says those are forbidden. And there are so many other rules that are violated, like you can't be a lying Christian. And of course, you cannot make a public show of prayer or faith, and must pray out of the sight of others or you will have no more treasure than you already have received (Jesus again).

      So basically there are no Christians.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:40 pm |
    • sam stone

      "However, the description “gay Christian” is not accurate for such a person, since he/she does not desire to be gay, and is struggling against the temptations."

      If they are gay and a christian, then "gay christian" IS accurate

      May 13, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
    • Mahmet Al-Khalib Faisal

      I don't see any Christians here. I guess they got scared and ran away.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:43 pm |
    • mama k

      BS. It is understandable for one to initially not want to be gay (when they are approaching a natural stage in life of accepting their natural orientation) simply because they have to come to grips with the persecuted minority they find themselves amongst. But your association of being gay with criminal element shows a basic lack of education on your part about homosexuality, therefore, I have a new post I'll place above for your benefit!

      May 13, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
    • JMEF

      Evil trolling is an acceptable Christian practice who would have thought that could be true?

      May 13, 2013 at 12:45 pm |
    • meifumado

      AH, You should not put yourself down like this.
      It's ok for you to be gay and a Christian.
      Yes, you are gay and a Christian.
      So be proud gay Christian Atheist Hunter!

      May 13, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
    • Atheist Hunter

      Then it is impossible to be a wealthy Christian or a divorced Christian too, for Jesus himself says those are forbidden. And there are so many other rules that are violated, like you can't be a lying Christian. And of course, you cannot make a public show of prayer or faith, and must pray out of the sight of others or you will have no more treasure than you already have received (Jesus again).
      Yes it is possible to be a wealthy Christian. King Solomon was the wealthiest. Yes it is possible to be a divorced Christian. Your spouse can choose to leave and divorce you by no fault of your own. Sure you can pray publically, but if you are doing it for a show then you're wasting your time. Context and taking it out is an atheists only defense.

      God Bless you!
      So basically there are no Christians.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
    • Brainless Christian

      If the phrase “left handed Christian” refers to a person who struggles against using their left hand for daily tasks – yes, a “left handed Christian” is possible. However, the description “left handed Christian” is not accurate for such a person, since he/she does not desire to be left handed, and is struggling against the temptations.

      If the phrase “left handed Christian” refers to a person who actively, perpetually, and unrepentantly uses their left hand – no, it is not possible for such a person to truly be a Christian.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:50 pm |
    • Cluckles the Boneless Chicken Fails Miserably in his Attempt to Cross the Road

      Funny how one part of the Bible say a behavior is acceptable and another says it is an abomination. No contradiction there.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Chuckles
      That is because parts of the bible are meant literally, the other parts are not meant to be taken literally.

      What is literal and what is not depends on the evidence that is presented against it, and will change back and forth.

      The parts of the bible that have already dis-proven are in the not meant to be taken literally category. More added all the time.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:56 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      AH, How could Solomon be a christian? He died nearly a millenium before the alleged birth of Jesus.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
    • Doobs

      @ Cluckles

      I'm trying to post, but every time I read your screen name, I start laughing all over again! It's great to start the day with a good belly laugh.

      May 13, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
  9. ME II

    p.s. Mind you that is not the only reason I lake belief.

    May 13, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
    • ME II

      argh, misposted again

      May 13, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
    • Cluckles the Boneless Chicken Fails Miserably in his Attempt to Cross the Road

      It's okay. You can lake belief here too.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:35 pm |
    • Ben, Lake Belief Campground

      Everyone can Lake Belief! We have RB parking, sussussudio apartments, flee wi-fi, and moar!
      Bring your fabily and hab lots of funk!

      May 13, 2013 at 12:40 pm |
  10. meifumado

    It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful.

    May 13, 2013 at 12:31 pm |
    • Cluckles the Boneless Chicken Fails Miserably in his Attempt to Cross the Road

      It is . . . to everyone else.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:35 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Normally not to the stupid, but it hurts the rest of us often.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:36 pm |
  11. Colin

    Chad said:

    A person can not rationally claim to have attempted to relate to the God of Israel, unless they have attempted to do so according to the doctrine laid out in the bible, right?"

    So, Chad, how have you related to the following gods: Azura Mazda, Angus, Belenos, Brigid, Dana, Lugh, Dagda, Epona, Allah Aphrodite, Apollo, Ares, Artemis, Atehna, Demeter, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Gaia, God, Hades, Hekate, Helios, Hephaestus, Hera, Hermes, Hestia, Pan, Poseidon, Selene, Uranus, Zeus, Mathilde, Elves, Eostre, Frigg, Ganesh, Hretha, Saxnot, Shef, Shiva Thuno, Tir, Vishnu, Weyland, Woden, Yahweh, Alfar, Balder, Beyla, Bil, Bragi, Byggvir, Dagr, Disir, Eir, Forseti, Freya, Freyr, Frigga, Heimdall, Hel, Hoenir, Idunn, Jord, Lofn, Loki, Mon, Njord, Norns, Nott, Odin, Ran, Saga, Sif, Siofn, Skadi, Snotra, Sol, Syn, Ull, Thor, Tyr, Var, Vali, Vidar, Vor, Herne, Holda, Nehalennia, Nerthus, Endovelicus, Ataegina, Runesocesius, Apollo, Bacchus, Ceres, Cupid, Diana, Janus, Juno, Jupiter, Maia, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Neptune, Pluto, Plutus, Proserpina, Venus, Vesta, Vulcan, Attis, Cybele, El-Gabal, Isis, Mithras, Sol Invictus, Endovelicus, Anubis, Aten, Atum, Bast, Bes, Geb, Hapi, Hathor, Heget, Horus, Imhotep, Isis, Khepry, Khnum, Maahes, Ma’at, Menhit, Mont, Naunet, Neith, Nephthys, Nut, Osiris, Ptah, Ra, Sekhmnet, Sobek, Set, Tefnut, Thoth, An, Anshar, Anu, Apsu, Ashur, Damkina, Ea, Enki, Enlil, Ereshkigal, Nunurta, Hadad, Inanna, Ishtar, Kingu, Kishar, Marduk, Mummu, Nabu, Nammu, Nanna, Nergal, Ninhursag, Ninlil, Nintu, Shamash, Sin, Tiamat, Utu, Mitra, Amaterasu, Susanoo, Tsukiyomi, Inari, Tengu, Izanami, Izanagi, Daikoku, Ebisu, Benzaiten, Bishamonten, Fukurokuju, Jurojin, Hotei, Quetzalcoatl, Tlaloc, Inti, Kon, Mama Cocha, Mama Quilla, Manco Capac, Pachacamac and Zaramama

    May 13, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Colin
      I wrote that list of Gods and have tossed the same query Chad's way many time in the past.
      You will never receive a coherent response.

      I do the same thing with a list of dozens and dozens of different Bible version, asking which is the true, infallible Word of God – but have yet to receive a cogent answer.

      Did the same with dozens of Christian sects, asking which is the true interpretation of God's word. No dice.

      Toss out a laundry list of other Holy Books, asking how religionists can reject them all without reading them since they all claim to be The Truth.
      Never have I received an answer to any one of those questions that wasn't an accusation, condemnation or redirection.

      May 13, 2013 at 1:40 pm |
    • Colin

      Hey Doc, I've seen many of your futile attempts. I think this list is originally actually one of yours.

      May 13, 2013 at 2:15 pm |
    • Chad

      @Colin "Chad, have you sought to experience Azura Mazda..."

      =>no, as I have said a million times, I have a reason that I dont need to. Since the God of Israel IS real, then all the other gods are fake.

      Believers have a reason not to investigate the others.
      atheists can claim that that reason isnt real
      but
      atheists can not claim that the believers dont have a reason and athests do.

      What is your reason for rejecting Azura Mazda? It isnt the same as my reason for rejecting Azura Mazda.

      May 13, 2013 at 4:19 pm |
  12. Madtown

    When I was 18, I realized that I'm gay.
    ---–
    Presumably, the author of this story believes he was created this way by God. Any of the christians here believe he's not really a christian?

    May 13, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
    • Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

      I wonder how old he will be when he realizes that the rest of the Bible is nonsense too.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
    • Brainless Christian

      @Madtown – How old will you be when you realize that you're gay?

      May 13, 2013 at 12:55 pm |
  13. ME II

    correction:

    I am not aware of ever having avoiding any god. If He chooses to introduce Himself, then I will happily spend time with Him, or Her.

    May 13, 2013 at 12:11 pm |
    • ME II

      misposted

      May 13, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
    • Bostontola

      It's funny to think of god with a gender. Some animals and plants have gender to procreate and evolve, why would a god need a gender?

      May 13, 2013 at 12:18 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      One of the beauties of having childhood and childish imaginary friends is that you can give them whatever attributes you want.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:21 pm |
    • Bostontola

      HAA,
      I'm all for a vivid imagination, we do some of our most creative things by thinking outside the box. But we must be able to distinguish reality from fantasy, failure to do so has a nome, schizophrenia.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
    • lol??

      misposted, misdirected, misapplied, misMS.

      SORRY!

      May 13, 2013 at 12:36 pm |
    • lol??

      enjoy the confusion while you celebrate Death, your friend.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
  14. JMEF

    BD If someone does not believe that your judgemental god exists how could they possibly experience is non-existence?

    May 13, 2013 at 12:06 pm |
    • JMEF

      reply blues.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:20 pm |
    • lol??

      easy, the natural order of things.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
  15. Vic

    This Mortal Flesh

    Abraham, the father of Faith and many nations, and the friend of God, was a liar!
    Moses, the father of Judaism, was a killer!
    David, king of Israel, was a murderer and an adulterer!

    And the list goes on and on..

    Why then did God reveal His messages through them?! The answer is SIMPLE! They TRULY BELIEVED!!!

    God imputes righteousness to people on the basis of Faith and NOT on the basis of works, since the beginning of time!

    This mortal flesh is corrupt due to the original sin, and it can never be clean, until the end of times!

    A Sinless Human is an Oxymoron; a Paradox!

    A lot of people who venture into the Bible, Christians & non-Christians, DO NOT UNDERSTAND the above fact, the Dispensation of Times and God's Ultimate Divine Intervention to SAVE this world!

    A lot of Christians turn into Pharisees (the originals of whom condemn and sentenced Jesus to death!, aka self-righteous) whether in good faith or not!

    Therefore, it is imperative for whoever hears the Good News of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to discern this truth:

    THE FREE GIFT OF SALVATION

    John 3:16,17
    "16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him."

    Romans 6:23
    "23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

    [Scripture is from the New American Standard Bible (NASB)]
    http://www.biblegateway.com

    Reference:
    https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/11/my-take-gay-christian-is-not-an-oxymoron/comment-page-5/#comment-2337710

    May 13, 2013 at 12:00 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      So you're ignoring all the comments in the last place you posted this and start afresh – presumably you have no cogent response.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • Madtown

      "Who's this Jesus person? Never heard of him."

      – sincerely,
      your human brother who lives in a primitive tribe in Ecuador

      May 13, 2013 at 12:11 pm |
    • meifumado

      Every human is sinless,
      Sin is a made up notion.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      Tim: Follow. But. Follow only if ye be men of valour, for the entrance to this cave is guarded by a creature so foul, so cruel that no man yet has fought with it and lived. Bones of full fifty men lie strewn about its lair. So, brave knights, if you do doubt your courage or your strength, come no further, for death awaits you all with nasty, big, pointy teeth.
      .
      King Arthur: What an eccentric performance.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
    • Vic

      @I S w t

      Not at all! I just had a few typos and missing words on the previous post as I am doing this on the run/fly!

      Here is the previous post:

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/11/my-take-gay-christian-is-not-an-oxymoron/comment-page-5/#comment-2338039

      May 13, 2013 at 12:21 pm |
    • Bostontola

      Believe and your sins are washed clean. Christianity is a great way to make you feel better. I prefer reality, good and bad.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
    • Akira

      L.E.T.: it's just a bunny, lol...

      May 13, 2013 at 12:31 pm |
    • Wondering

      So Austin, why are you calling yourself "Vic" now?

      May 13, 2013 at 12:32 pm |
    • Vic

      Who Jesus Christ Is

      Jesus Christ (Savior God Messiah) is the Son of God, God Incarnation In The Flesh, The Second Person of the Triune God (Holy Trinity,) the Actual Word of God, and Lord & Savior.

      John 1:1-5
      "1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."

      John 1:14
      "14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."

      John 3:16,17
      "16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him."

      John 14:6
      "6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.""

      The Holy Trinity (One Godhead Three Persons "Father Son and Holy Spirit")

      Matthew 28:19
      "19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,"

      [All Scripture from New American Standard Bible (NASB)]
      http://www.biblegateway.com/

      May 13, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
    • meifumado

      Blessed are the destroyers of false hope, for they are the true Messiahs – Cursed are the god-adorers, for they shall be shorn sheep!

      May 13, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      The Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog

      May 13, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      We've taken care of everything
      The words you hear, the songs you sing
      The pictures that give pleasure to your eyes
      It's one for all and all for one
      We work together, common sons
      Never need to wonder how or why

      We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
      Our great computers fill the hallowed halls
      We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx
      All the gifts of life are held within our walls

      Look around at this world we've made
      Equality our stock in trade
      Come and join the Brotherhood of Man
      Oh, what a nice, contented world
      Let the banners be unfurled
      Hold the Red Star proudly high in hand

      We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx
      Our great computers fill the hallowed halls
      We are the Priests, of the Temples of Syrinx
      All the gifts of life are held within our walls

      Rush 21:12

      Just as valid as they both came from mens imaginations Vic

      Join us in reality.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was "The Bird"
      A-well-a, everybody's heard about the bird
      Bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
      A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, the bird is the word
      A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, well, the bird is the word
      A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
      A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, well, the bird is the word
      A-well-a, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
      A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
      A-well-a, bird, bird, bird, well, the bird is the word
      A-well-a, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
      A-well-a, don't you know about the bird
      Well, everybody knows that the bird is the word
      A-well-a, bird, bird, b-bird's the word
      etc...

      May 13, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Vic, "Proof" of Jesus as a real person using quotes from the bible is as convincing as "proof" of Gandalf as a real person using quotes from the Lord of the Rings. What else have you got?

      May 13, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      Apropos?

      "The Trees"

      There is unrest in the forest
      There is trouble with the trees
      For the maples want more sunlight
      And the oaks ignore their pleas

      The trouble with the maples
      (And they're quite convinced they're right)
      They say the oaks are just too lofty
      And they grab up all the light
      But the oaks can't help their feelings
      If they like the way they're made
      And they wonder why the maples
      Can't be happy in their shade

      There is trouble in the forest
      And the creatures all have fled
      As the maples scream 'Oppression!'
      And the oaks just shake their heads

      So the maples formed a union
      And demanded equal rights
      'The oaks are just too greedy
      We will make them give us light'
      Now there's no more oak oppression
      For they passed a noble law
      And the trees are all kept equal
      By hatchet, axe and saw

      May 13, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      LET
      I bet your listening to Rush right now..aren't you.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      you are...darn auto-correct

      May 13, 2013 at 12:48 pm |
    • meifumado

      Oo-ey, goo-ey, rich and chewy inside

      Rich and golden, tender, flaky outside

      Put the inside in the outside

      Is it good?

      Darn tootin’!
      Doin’ the big

      Fig

      Newton

      (here’s the tricky part)

      The big

      Fig

      Newton!

      (one more time!)

      The big

      Fig

      Newton!!!

      May 13, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      @Richard – well I wasn't, but now I am... been a fan since 1979 (6th grade) I had 2112, Exit Stage Left, Caress of Steel, Farewell To Kings, and Moving Pictures all on 8track, all on my iPhone now of course, LOL...

      May 13, 2013 at 12:53 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      LET
      My first concert ever was 2112. Not many have compared since then, except for Pink Floyd, who blew all other concerts away.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
    • Akira

      L.E.T.: love me some M.P.! Always a great day when they're referenced.

      May 13, 2013 at 1:06 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      Pink Floyd 'Momentary Lapse of Reason' tour Munich, West Germany 1988

      May 13, 2013 at 1:11 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      LET
      Same show I saw in Veterans Stadium in Philly.

      May 13, 2013 at 1:21 pm |
  16. MadPriest

    "The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Justin Lee."

    No, they are not. That's the whole point of the article. They are the opinion of many, probably most, Western Christians.

    May 13, 2013 at 12:00 pm |
    • lol??

      what country do you live in??

      May 13, 2013 at 12:32 pm |
  17. JMEF

    ME II
    You of course are right, I have "faith" that Chad can not wait to drag out his oft posted BS of why the god of Israel can be anything but real.

    May 13, 2013 at 11:48 am |
    • JMEF

      reposted in proper place.

      May 13, 2013 at 11:54 am |
    • dahC

      ?Real not is Israel of God the believe to done you have research what...

      May 13, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
  18. meifumado

    Love is one of the most intense feelings felt by man; another is hate. Forcing yourself to feel indiscriminate love is very unnatural. If you try to love everyone you only lessen your feelings for those who deserve your love. Repressed hatred can lead to many physical and emotional aliments. By learning to release your hatred towards those who deserve it, you cleanse yourself of these malignant emotions and need not take your pent-up hatred out on your loved ones.

    May 13, 2013 at 11:41 am |
  19. mama k

    I see from some of the comments and questions that some still don't have a basic education about homosexuality. The poster DR75 below is a perfect example, who uses this phrase: "the gay lifestyle".

    Muslims lead the way as having the most uneducated, disenfranchising stance toward gays. But many Christians are not far behind. Just last week CNN reported some gays being arrested in Zambia which is a predominantly Christian nation.

    Christianity has always been conflicted on social issues, but this current hot topic really highlights the extremism within Christianity. One sect calls homosexuality an abomination while the next one (over four million members) in the same denomination is already performing gay marriage. Thomas Jefferson hit the nail on the head over 200 years ago:

    Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.

    (from Notes on the State of Virginia, 1785)

    Some claim that Christianity and science are not incompatible, yet we find many who continue to ignore current scientific knowledge on the issue of homosexuality. Is the problem poor education, steadfastness to one's own flavor of biblical interpretation, or both?

    Whatever your religion, whatever your belief, with gay marriage coming quickly to the U.S., now is the time to at least have a basic education about homosexuality.

    The following is long, but note the quote from Professor MIchael King below in the section on psychology.
    =========================================================
    Psychology

    The American Psychological Association states "there are probably many reasons for a person's sexual orientation and the reasons may be different for different people", and says most people's sexual orientation is determined at an early age. Research into how sexual orientation in males may be determined by genetic or other prenatal factors plays a role in political and social debates about homosexuality, and also raises concerns about genetic profiling and prenatal testing."

    Professor Michael King states: "The conclusion reached by scientists who have investigated the origins and stability of sexual orientation is that it is a human characteristic that is formed early in life, and is resistant to change. Scientific evidence on the origins of homosexuality is considered relevant to theological and social debate because it undermines suggestions that sexual orientation is a choice."

    The Royal College of Psychiatrists stated in 2007:

    "Despite almost a century of psychoanalytic and psychological speculation, there is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that the nature of parenting or early childhood experiences play any role in the formation of a person's fundamental heterosexual or homosexual orientation. It would appear that sexual orientation is biological in nature, determined by a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment. Sexual orientation is therefore not a choice."

    Biology

    The following is from the article:

    Homosexuality ultimately a result of gene regulation, researchers find (12/11/2012 – LiveScience)

    [ The search for a "gay gene" may be off-target, new research finds. Another process called epigenetics that switches genes on and off may explain why homosexuality runs in families.

    Epigenetics are heritable changes caused by factors other than DNA. Instead of traits getting passed down through the genes, epigenetic change happens because of the way genes are regulated, or turned on and off.

    These genetic regulators may be the reason homosexuality persists in nature despite the fact that gay people are less likely to reproduce, suggests the new study published in the journal The Quarterly Review of Biology.

    "These things have evolved because they're good for the parents, but they sometimes, not [with] high frequency, but sometimes carry over" into offspring, study researcher William Rice, an evolutionary geneticist at the University of California, Santa Barbara, told LiveScience. In a male fetus, Rice and his colleagues write, an epigenetic change that benefited the mother may lead to "feminization" of sexual preference — homo- or bisexuality. The same may be true for epigenetic changes passed down by dad to a female fetus. (The terms feminization and masculinization of sexual preference refer to sexual orientation only — not to physical or personality traits of the offspring.)

    The findings add to past research suggesting gay men haven't died out, because female relatives of gay men tend to have more children on average than other females. The study researchers specifically found that two genes passed on through the maternal line could produce this effect.

    Hormones, epigenetics and orientation

    Rice and his colleagues focused on epi-marks, which are molecular changes that act like temporary "switches" to turn genes on and off. If a gene is a blueprint, the epi-mark is the construction foreman who makes sure the product gets built. An epi-mark also determines when, where and how much a gene is expressed, according to the National Institute for Mathematical and Biological Synthesis.

    These molecular switches are usually erased very early in the developmental process, but they can be passed down from generation to generation, too, Rice said.

    Some epi-marks are particularly important during fetal development, when they promote normal physical development in the sexes despite natural variations in testosterone during pregnancy. Researchers know that fetal exposure to too much testosterone can masculinize the genitals, brain or behavior of a genetically female fetus. Likewise, too little testosterone can make a genetically male fetus more feminized.

    But here's the catch: There's lots of overlap between the levels of testosterone male and female fetuses get exposed to. That means there must be another side to the story, Rice and his colleagues wrote.

    That side appears to be epigenetics, Rice said.

    "Early in development, we think these epi-marks are laid down so that girl fetuses will be relatively insensitive to testosterone and male fetuses will be relatively sensitive to testosterone," Rice said.

    Biological behavior

    Thus, if an epi-mark that kept a mother from getting exposed to high testosterone in development gets passed on to her son — the opposite sex — it could desensitize him to testosterone, contributing to his sexual preference for men. Similarly, if a male-specific epi-mark from dad gets passed to a daughter, it could "masculinize" her sexual preference, making her more interested in women.

    These findings could explain why twin studies show that homosexuality runs in families, but no "gay gene" can be found, Rice said. In identical twins, there's about a 20 percent chance that if one twin is gay, the other will be too. If genetic change were responsible for homosexuality, you'd expect a much higher match, Rice said. Epigenetics, however, can explain the heritability without the need for a specific genetic change.

    The hypothesis could be tested by examining epigenetic marks in parents of kids with gay versus straight offspring, Rice said. There are, of course, concerns that this knowledge could be used by parents who want to avoid gay offspring, Rice said, but that concern already exists around certain hormonal conditions in utero, which are known to contribute to an increased chance of offspring being lesbians.

    "That cat's already out of the bag," Rice said. He added that an understanding of the biological underpinnings of homosexuality could help emphasize that same-sex behavior is not "unnatural."

    "In fact, it's a major part of the natural world," Rice said. Fourteen percent of Western gulls raise chicks in female-female pairs, he pointed out. And 8 percent of male sheep show zero interest in fertile ewes, but get sexually excited by other rams. ]
    =========================================================

    May 13, 2013 at 11:38 am |
    • lol??

      Where do you live?? Country??

      May 13, 2013 at 11:42 am |
    • lol??

      It would be interesting to know under what BEAST you studied.

      May 13, 2013 at 11:44 am |
    • Saraswati

      A fun activity when faced with some idiot going on about how no one is born gay is to ask them to give their opinion on epigenetic factors. The deer in the headlights look is priceless. These people are so ignorant you don't know whether to laugh or cry. Asking them about polygenetic inheretence is almost as good. Usually all their pastor has taught them is to keep repeating "No one has found a gay gene" over and over. And if you try this online just google any answer they eventually come up with (they have to scramble)...they all pull from the same place and clearly don't understand how stupid it is. I thought basic biology was required in high school but after talking to a few of these folks I probably out to verify that.

      Ah well, as research finds over and over, conservatives tend to be intellectually lazy:

      http://psp.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/03/16/0146167212439213.abstract

      The saddest part is that these folks are to lazy even to read and understand that data.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:06 pm |
    • Science

      But Sara..................the POLITICIANS...............military and police forces should know the information and understand IT !

      May 13, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
    • lol??

      Saraswati, you should ID yasef as Qweirdo when posting scientific truth, errr yer version of it.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
    • ..

      Well, because lol??'S definition of a Qweirdo is either a male or a female, I am wondering which Qweirdo lol?? is. Is there such a thing as a bigoted hateful Qweirdo Christian? Or is lol?? a hermaphodite?

      May 13, 2013 at 12:40 pm |
    • lol??

      Ah yes, double dot. The mystery of iniquity is a mystery alright. But it's simple.

      May 13, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
  20. meifumado

    There is nothing inherently sacred about moral codes. Like the wooden idols of long ago, they are the work of human hands, and what man has made, man can destroy!

    May 13, 2013 at 11:31 am |
    • tallulah13

      False codes should be destroyed. There is nothing moral about clinging to fear and superstition.

      May 13, 2013 at 11:32 am |
    • meifumado

      Indeed!

      May 13, 2013 at 11:39 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      well then, as long as we all agree it should be fine.

      May 13, 2013 at 11:53 am |
    • @chad

      *correction 13.8, not 18.8

      May 13, 2013 at 2:17 pm |
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