End times for doomsday-linked radio network?
Harold Camping, now 91, is the force behind Family Radio -- and a couple failed prophecies.
May 16th, 2013
07:00 AM ET

End times for doomsday-linked radio network?

By Jessica Ravitz, CNN
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(CNN) - Dealing with a struggling radio business – this wasn’t the way it was supposed to be. By all his calculations, Harold Camping expected to be nearly two years into his Rapture revelry, hanging in heaven with God and the select others who’d been saved.

But when his predicted and vastly promoted May 21, 2011, Day of Rapture came and went, and the end of the world on October 21, 2011, didn’t pan out either, Camping lost his doomsday mojo. It didn’t help that he had another knock against him, having made a similar failed prophecy back in 1994.

By March 2012, the degreed engineer who’s spent more than a half-century studying the Bible admitted mistakes. He vowed to back off from the prediction business.

Now it seems Family Radio, the nonprofit Christian radio broadcasting network Camping started in 1959, may be foundering, according to an investigative story recently published in the Contra Costa Times.

Financial documents show that Family Radio's assets dropped by more than $105 million in less than five years, despite an influx of $85 million in donations over that time, the California newspaper reported. This, of course, was during the big push to spread the news about the end that wasn’t. The paper also said donations have tumbled nearly 70%  since May 21, 2011, spawning layoffs of longtime employees. And saddled with loans, a dwindling cash flow and alleged mismanagement, the network was reportedly forced to sell off its three biggest stations.

“You eliminate those three (FM stations) and, ultimately, the rest of it dies,” former employee Matt Tuter told the Contra Costa Times. “I believe they are killing it off.”

All of these financial struggles, however, come as the network grapples with losing the voice of its biggest star - Camping himself. He suffered a stroke in June 2011. And though he remains involved and still serves as the network's president, the flagship show he hosted, "Open Forum," is only running previously recorded programs.

It was through Family Radio – and its multitude of U.S. stations, satellite feeds, shortwave radio use, Internet reach and translation machine – that Camping’s teachings and 2011 predictions spread across the globe. His doomsday message was bolstered by a massive billboard campaign at a reported price tag of $5 million. There were also initiatives like Project Caravan, which dispatched teams of volunteers in RVs to warn the people.

CNN hopped on board one caravan and traveled with faithful ambassadors who’d given up everything for this cause.

The coordinator for Project Caravan, Ted Kim, left Family Radio soon after May 21, 2011. Once his ambassadors - still around and not raptured - had a place to go, he told CNN, his work was done.

Even though he doesn't work there anymore, that doesn’t mean he’s lost faith in the mission. He still believes spiritual judgment occurred in 2011 and that the world’s physical destruction is near.

Photos: Doomsdays throughout time

Kim, who is now home schooling his children and caring for his mother, suspects the supporters who fell away had erroneously put more stock in Camping than they’d put in the Bible or God himself.

But Tuter, the former employee who served at Camping’s side for years before he was fired in 2012, suggested to the Contra Costa Times that a demise of Family Radio may be deliberate. He said Camping made it clear to him in 1996 that he wanted the network to die when he did.

"He was very specific he did not want it to continue," Tuter told the newspaper. He said Camping confided in him a week before going into heart surgery: "God raised up Family Radio just as a platform for me!"

Tom Evans, who has taken over the network’s day-to-day reins since Camping suffered that stroke, could not be reached by CNN for comment. But he offered the newspaper a very different perspective than Tuter's. Evans said he hopes that Family Radio can move forward, leaving this end-of-the-world banter behind it.

“We want to be a comfort and reminder of God’s strength and mercy,” he said. “In the end, our founding mission is to proclaim the word of God.”

That mission, coupled with the network’s recent history, may not make them boom like they once did. But to Evans and those who are keeping the faith, neither should it portend doom.

- CNN Writer/Producer

Filed under: End times • Media • Radio

soundoff (1,487 Responses)
  1. PaulB

    I just saw the trailer for the movie Rapture Palooza. Too funny! Some folks will be very offended that their favorite fantasy is being poked at.


    May 19, 2013 at 1:04 am |
  2. Alissa Shores


    May 18, 2013 at 4:13 pm |
  3. Tom, Tom, the Other One

    Chad's use of Paul Davies (a physicist, probably from good Welsh stock – Chad's bringing him into this casts no ill on him): "invoking an infinity of unseen universes to explain the unusual features of the one we do see is just as ad hoc as invoking an unseen Creator. The multiverse theory may be dressed up in scientific language, but in essence it requires the same leap of faith."

    Is Paul Davies right about this? Believing that the Universe is not unique and that other universes may exist and even interact with each other or cause the formation of other universes, is that as much of a stretch as believing that a sort of trans-eternal intelligent being with a psychology rather like ours at our worst is the Creator of this Universe?

    Hmm... (1) There is one Universe mightn't there be others?
    (2) If there are, perhaps they interact with each other – might be testable or within the realm of observation

    Then there's
    (1) There exists at least one trans-eternal intelligent agent.
    (2) It did Create the Universe leaving no recognizable, unequivocal, evidence that the Universe was Created.
    (3) What it uses to Create isn't specified and perhaps can't be known.
    (4) Once Created, its Universe appears to run without its influence.

    Mind you, it may be that no Multiverse hypothesis is true, but the idea that the Universe is God-Created is on life support at best (Do Not Resuscitate).

    May 18, 2013 at 12:16 pm |
    • Science

      http://www.ted.com/playlists..................might help chad and the gang !

      If they watch them ALL !

      May 18, 2013 at 1:42 pm |
  4. Jonah

    81 Behold, I sent you out to testify and warn the people, and it becometh every man who hath been warned to warn his neighbor.
    82 Therefore, they are left without excuse, and their sins are upon their own heads.
    83 He that seeketh me early shall find me, and shall not be forsaken. (Doctrine and Covenants, Doctrine and Covenants, Section 88).....

    May 18, 2013 at 11:26 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Chicken Little?

      May 18, 2013 at 12:06 pm |
  5. Debunking the Kalam Cosmological Argument


    May 18, 2013 at 10:54 am |
  6. Jonah

    You want prophecy?

    88 And after your testimony cometh wrath and indignation upon the people.
    89 For after your testimony cometh the testimony of earthquakes, that shall cause groanings in the midst of her, and men shall fall upon the ground and shall not be able to stand.
    90 And also cometh the testimony of the voice of thunderings, and the voice of lightnings, and the voice of tempests, and the voice of the waves of the sea heaving themselves beyond their bounds.
    91 And all things shall be in commotion; and surely, men’s hearts shall fail them; for fear shall come upon all people. (Doctrine and Covenants, Doctrine and Covenants, Section 88)

    When are we going to learn to put our faith in real prophets? Why are we always trying to enter the fold over the back fence?

    May 18, 2013 at 10:44 am |
    • lol??

      Mormons did know how to handle their women til they caved. Don't know how those extra planets will help the h0m0's build a culture, though.

      May 18, 2013 at 10:52 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      "real prophets"...good one.

      May 18, 2013 at 10:54 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      That does not describe a prophacy, that describes natural disasters and people being scared.....so what.

      May 18, 2013 at 10:57 am |
    • Sue

      So-called prophecies in the bible are nothing more than bullshit. If you want to present a prophecy with any substance, include the specific date as given in the prophecy with proof that the prophecied event happened later on that date. So far, no one has ever been able to do that.

      If you can't do that, then please dump your steaming load of "prophecy" somewhere else where we don't have to be bothered with it.

      May 18, 2013 at 3:53 pm |
    • ANDmodnaR

      Ask his kin when sins would end.

      May 18, 2013 at 6:58 pm |
  7. Vic

    @Henry "....."

    In reference to:


    Here is an explanation:


    May 18, 2013 at 10:33 am |
    • mama k

      Of course the human body is poorly designed. If it wasn't, we'd have at least as good an immune system as that of a crocodile.

      May 18, 2013 at 10:40 am |
    • Vic

      Adam & Eve were relegated to a mortal form due to the original sin, they were transfigured!
      They were created in a glorified immortal form at the beginning!

      May 18, 2013 at 10:47 am |
    • mama k

      Good luck with proving that, Vic.

      May 18, 2013 at 10:50 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      That is a very long article to finally come to the conclusion.

      "who are you to question gods design?"

      I tell you what Vic. if you can produce one scientist who believes the earth is less than 10 thousand years old and is NOT religious, I will change my mind. Good luck.

      May 18, 2013 at 10:50 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      That is nothing more than a story in a book. Genetics has already PROVEN the story false.

      May 18, 2013 at 10:54 am |
    • Vic

      @B a t C "who are you to question gods design?"

      The article I linked to never posed your quoted question!

      BTW, B a t C, I read the entire article before I posted the link, and I totally understand the explanation, but I will leave it to the reader to read the professionally done publication.

      May 18, 2013 at 11:22 am |
    • Jonah

      81 Behold, I sent you out to testify and warn the people, and it becometh every man who hath been warned to warn his neighbor.
      82 Therefore, they are left without excuse, and their sins are upon their own heads.
      83 He that seeketh me early shall find me, and shall not be forsaken. (Doctrine and Covenants, Doctrine and Covenants, Section 88)

      May 18, 2013 at 11:25 am |
    • Geraldine

      "professionally done"

      what did they do, bake it at 350?

      May 18, 2013 at 11:27 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers


      The awful article says,

      "Arguing that the left RLN is poorly designed implies that God should have used different embryo developmental trajectories for all the structures involved to avoid looping the left RLN around the aorta. One who asserts that the RLN is a poor design assumes that a better design exists, a claim that cannot be asserted unless an alternative embryonic design from fertilized ovum to fetus–including all the incalculable molecular gradients, triggers, cascades, and anatomical twists and tucks–can be proposed that doc.uments an improved design."

      That is a long way of saying "who are you to question god's design?".

      Notice the article does NOT say the design HAD to be done this way because of developmental issues, it just says that it COULD be because of developmental issues. It provides no evidence to support its conclusion, just an assertion that god may not have have had a choice, (an odd position of believers in an all powerfull god). Just because the article uses science terms, citations and proper grammer does not make it a 'professionally written' science article.

      P.S. Still waiting for one scientist who believes in a young earth that is not religious.

      May 18, 2013 at 11:45 am |
    • The real Tom

      Haha, Geraldine. Vic is such a boob.

      May 18, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
    • hal 9001

      I'm afraid your assertion is correct, "The real Tom". "Vic/Grafted/You're_writing_your_own_death_warrant" is, in fact, a boob. Like crazy ants, Austintationism must be closely monitored, "The real Tom".

      May 18, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
  8. Reality

    It is very disturbing that religious narrow- mindedness, intolerance, violence and hatred continues unabated due to randomness of birth. Maybe, just maybe if this fact would be published on the first page of every newspaper every day, that we would finally realize the significant stupidity of all religions.

    May 18, 2013 at 10:26 am |
  9. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    I am going crazy, please help me.

    May 18, 2013 at 10:19 am |
    • as always

      when you sink to the gutless level of stealing a name on an anonymous blog there are mental health care professionals that may be able to help you other than that you're sh it out of luck

      May 18, 2013 at 11:28 am |
  10. DWN

    This is supposed to be a beliefs blog, right? The people who run it are supposed to have a clue, right? Then why would the return of Christ be referred to as Doomsday! It would be the most joyful day ever!!!!! Maybe this blog primarily exists to bash Christians who actually believe their bibles and find the weird and sensationalistic to smear christianity. That would seem like the CNN I know and distrust. .BTW, Harold Camping was out of his mind as far as I know, wouldn't have trusted the man as far as I could have thrown him.

    May 18, 2013 at 9:24 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      And yet devout earnest followers did. This relgious leader swayed people. To their dismay and ruin. But from my perspective all religious leaders do this. Prey on the ignorance and gullibility of their flock. They're career conmen...all of them. From childhood on you're taught to revere and respect members of clergy and merely by virtue of their position and they're waving about and ranting with that dreadful tome, the Bible. Even Jews don't believe the stories of the Old Testament describe actual events and it's THEIR holy book...but Christians just eat it up as cold hard fact.

      May 18, 2013 at 9:41 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Not joyful for everyone, there would be lots of believers of other religions that would be very unhappy and probably lots of christians as well.

      May 18, 2013 at 10:27 am |
    • Warren Moon

      DWN, Christianity does a rather good job of smearing itself. The absurd owners' manual of that religion just makes that worse.

      May 18, 2013 at 10:31 am |
    • PaulB

      In any movie, or novel where some alien overlord invades the Earth with his super army, destroys all of our militaries, ends democracy and establishes absolute rule over all of us, it's considered a "Doomsday" story, and this is exactly what Jesus' return is imagined. When he returns there will be no more USA, no more democratic government, no more Const.itution, or Bill of Rights protecting your gun rights, either. Why would anyone need guns after Jesus returns, right? No more capitalist economy either. Socialism all the way! I find it funny how conservatives look forward to this some time in the future, but absolutely detest the idea of it happening sooner. Yup, real funny!

      May 18, 2013 at 6:50 pm |
    • sam stone

      "Maybe this blog primarily exists to bash Christians who actually believe their bibles and find the weird and sensationalistic to smear christianity."

      Oh, you poor, poor, persecuted christians......makes my heart bleed, it does

      May 20, 2013 at 9:30 am |
  11. AtheistSteve

    This whole "End Times" debacle is a dangerous and frightening idea. But not for reasons held by the religious. To those who believe Jesus is coming and that God will be doing a universal reboot sets a terrible precendent. Why be responsible with natural resources, work to protect and preserve the enviroment and habitats for us and wildlife, worry about climate change, strive to eliminate hunger, poverty or injustice if the entire slate is about to be cleaned? Even more importantly why bring children into a world that is facing imminent destruction? What point is there in caring about the future if there isn't one?
    Ironically most believers DO care about these things and that displays an awareness or acceptance (held secretly of course) that the "End" is NOT coming.

    May 18, 2013 at 9:19 am |
    • PaulB

      Jesus and Paul both said to sell everything that you have and quit planning for any kind of future. Both thought that the end would be any day then, which makes Christianity a very "live in the moment" kind of system.

      May 18, 2013 at 6:54 pm |
  12. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things
    Prayer changes things

    May 18, 2013 at 6:27 am |
    • Science

      An Awesome Message from P.W. Swivel

      People are People.................you are even ................Cap't.


      Thanks for watching.

      May 18, 2013 at 7:41 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      May 20, 2013 at 9:36 am |
    • Really?

      "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things"

      That's why the data, has shown that atheists have happier and healthier lives than conservative Christians! Your post is built on a lie!

      May 20, 2013 at 9:41 am |
  13. Prayer is not healthy for children and other living things

    Education changes things.

    May 18, 2013 at 12:49 am |
    • kevin001

      Keira. I see what you mean... Rebecca`s blog is incredible... last tuesday I got a brand new opel from bringing in $7734 this-last/5 weeks and-more than, ten-grand last-munth. without a doubt it is the best work I've ever had. I actually started eight months/ago and practically straight away made minimum $79, per hour. I follow this website, .............. Fox85. ℂOℳ

      May 18, 2013 at 2:28 am |
    • as always

      both these unoriginal lemmings are wrong

      May 18, 2013 at 6:29 am |
  14. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things,

    May 17, 2013 at 9:25 pm |
    • Angela Birch

      A heck of a lot healthier that believing some religious leader who want's you to give him all your stuff or who thinks his God somehow is in favor of murder and adultery. ( Pat Robertson.
      Actually atheists and Agnostics are doing just dandy. Perfectly healthy thank you. A lot healthier than those who think any faith could be supported where a preacher with a Porsche thinks he needs your Social Security more than you do. I was raised as a Christian read the bible and learned by the time I was 10 that the Bible contradicted itself, that almost all churches are a scam and I have never met a Christian that even made a serious attempt to live up to the great commandment or one who will sell all they have and give the money to the poor. Certainly not a man who was a supporter of Lord's Army .

      May 17, 2013 at 10:23 pm |
    • as always

      agnostics are not atheists and should not be included among the stupid

      May 18, 2013 at 6:30 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Usually, agnostics and atheists are not counted with believers so it would be unusual for either to be included with the stupid or the mentally ill.

      May 18, 2013 at 6:40 am |
    • as always

      hot air ass proves stupid beyond a shadow of a doubt

      May 18, 2013 at 6:42 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Really? Do tell. . .

      May 18, 2013 at 9:26 am |
    • .

      just did tell and truth be told nope has you pegged

      May 18, 2013 at 11:51 am |
    • The real Tom

      dottie, I do believe you are irked at Hot Air Ace. Is that because he hands you your ass every time you post your inanities?

      May 18, 2013 at 11:54 am |
    • No Gods


      May 18, 2013 at 11:59 am |
  15. Angel Moronic

    I got all the $$$ I needed folks. No doomsday for you. Signed – Harold.

    May 17, 2013 at 9:19 pm |
  16. Elaine

    Juanito, people deserve respect, which also comes in the form of rights that your sick religion would deny women and other groups. Ideas do not deserve respect. Try to understand the difference.

    Christianity is a really bad set of ideas and fiction, and deserves to be exposed for what it is. You've been unable to present any sound defense of your crazy beliefs. That and the responses to your posts should make you think harder about your crazy beliefs, and ultimately reject them.

    May 17, 2013 at 9:13 pm |
  17. my lord


    May 17, 2013 at 6:59 pm |
  18. {*}

    Since 1947, scientists have kept a symbolic Doomsday Clock. As long as that clock "exists", lets keep doomsday radio.

    "Originally, the clock analogy represented the threat of global nuclear war; however, since 2007 it has also reflected climate-changing technologies and "new developments in the life sciences that could inflict irrevocable harm." – Wikipedia

    May 17, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
    • lol??

      Well sumpins gonna happen when God destroys those who destroy the earth. Don't get so worked up about it. Justice will be served.

      "Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

      May 18, 2013 at 10:46 am |
  19. fred

    The Dover trial was held for reason.

    May 17, 2013 at 3:53 pm |
    • Science

      The ORIGIN story is bullsh-it...............so is the bible............... nasty !

      From Soup to Cells—the Origin of Life


      Scientists have unearthed the first direct signs of cheesemaking, at a site in Poland that dates back 7,500 years.

      Human Evolution


      Dover Trial Transcripts............................................. FACTS.

      Below are the complete transcripts from the Dover Trial. Thanks to our friends at the National Center for Science Education for helping us fill in the missing transcripts.


      They lost in 2005............still trying !

      May 17, 2013 at 4:09 pm |
    • fred

      Hey fred so do you finally believe in Jesus?

      May 17, 2013 at 4:11 pm |
    • Hey Zeus

      Hey. What's my line.

      May 17, 2013 at 4:13 pm |
    • fred

      Hey Zeus
      You were man made with features like man and composed out of physical matter that is measurable by science. God on the other hand is not of substance or matter that can be measured or presently known to science. God is eternal and even the Greek priests in the Zeus Temples 1950 years ago recognized the Living God presented by Saul of Tarsus.

      May 17, 2013 at 4:18 pm |
    • George

      fred, it's kinda hard to be "of substance" when you don't exist.

      Lay off those substances, son.

      May 17, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
    • Tom

      Even priests said they recognized him (1950 yrs ago)? Oh, that'd be proof for me. Not.

      May 17, 2013 at 5:14 pm |
    • Ben

      Now we've got fred talking to himself. George, I think you hit the nail on the head re his spirit consumption.

      May 17, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
    • fred

      Real or illusion God is a known force that drives all human interaction directly or by prior interaction. To this day we are in a world driven by the fall out of Adam (i.e. sin and response to it). Your individual is yours but the shockwave of the God of Abraham continues to reverberate around the world.
      Talk about substance that impacts life as we know it.

      May 17, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
    • Science

      fred ...............you should try some..............what is at the bottom of post........... maybe it will help ?

      Genes and DNA................no fairy in the sky needed ! see chad below !

      Scientists Find Genes Linked to Human Neurological Disorders in Sea Lamprey Genome



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      May 17, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
    • George

      fred, god is not a "known force". Nice try at slipping that one in, you disgusting liar. How very Christian of you.

      May 17, 2013 at 5:55 pm |
    • Roger

      You can't be honest, smart, and Christian at the same time.

      May 17, 2013 at 5:57 pm |
    • WarreN MooN

      What Roger said. Roger.

      May 17, 2013 at 7:23 pm |
  20. Answer

    ~ Plain sheet of paper exercise ~

    Take one blank sheet of paper.

    Trim it out, to make yourself a circle.

    Use a pencil. Make a mark with your pencil on the circular sheet. You've drawn a dot into it – correct.

    Now – go ahead. Think.

    That dot was never there until you placed it there. Now comes the argument...

    Do you really want to tell someone that you've solved the answer with "it was always there"?

    May 17, 2013 at 3:43 pm |
    • John

      A, clear off a space on your desktop, or on the floor if that's easier. Make sure nothing is there. Look closely at nothing, be sure nothing is just as it should be. Now that you're satisfied with nothing being nothing and doing nothing, there, open up books by science and read the parts about how nothing is able to form a universe and confirm for yourself that they've repeatidly verified that nothing is able to form a universe. Make sure you understand the procedure they used for nothing to form a universe and go for it, form a universe.

      After you do this, report back about how you coaxed nothing into forming the universe, because when I tried it... well... it didn't work. I didn't actually do any specific procedure, because I couldn't find one from science. I still have an empty space on my desktop with nothing there and no universe forming. I have yet to get nothing to form a universe and I've been asking atheists and skeptics for quite some time to reveal how they were able to do it, to confirm the scienctific explaination for our universe's formation. Stephen Hawking says it's pretty easy for nothing to form a universe, but he doesn't give any details sufficient for me to repeat his experiments. I need someone simple minded like myself to explain it... maybe you for example, 'cuz it just doesn't work for me... that or they're lying.... which they are of course, but I'll still leave the desktop empty in the off chance they'll eventually say what I need to do to get nothing active and creating galaxies and such... on my desktop.

      May 17, 2013 at 4:44 pm |
    • Science

      Genes and DNA................no fairy in the sky needed ! see chad below !

      Scientists Find Genes Linked to Human Neurological Disorders in Sea Lamprey Genome



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      May 17, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
    • Roger that


      If you don't know how you got here, then ask your parents. They might be able to fill you in.

      May 17, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
    • Answer

      The typical christard you are Roger...

      You're not able to do your sister is your own problem.

      May 17, 2013 at 6:25 pm |
    • agnostic

      I'm just playing along because I like mind games like this one. The place that the dot went was always there...I only marked the spot with my pen.
      (philosophy) not practical but always entertaining.

      May 17, 2013 at 6:52 pm |
    • evolvedDNA

      John...it is not known as yet how the universe came into being nor do atheists claim to know..it is only the religious who claim to have that knowledge. There are books on what "nothing" is and the misunderstanding that we have about it. Your "nothing" is far from it actually.. and these forces can be measured, if not seen.

      May 18, 2013 at 9:59 am |
    • Science

      http://www.ted.com/playlists................might help Chad and the gang if you view them ALL........you know ?

      May 18, 2013 at 1:48 pm |
    • For someone special

      You think we can't know God did what he said? That we can't know God made the universe? No, the bible is filled with witnesses that knew God did what he said. They weren't shy about saying that he's God and that there is no other. The "nothing" God of science is exactly what God already described it as: nothing, not there, a false god. God knows because he's the one that did all the stuff he did, and people have denied him repeatidly after all the times he's proven himself. There are people's writings within the bible, detailing what happened, but it's rejected as if it never happened. If I could hand God credit for everything he did, I would do it. If I could convince everyone to believe him, I'd do it. But many have already heard and reject him, without even thinking it through. So it is what it is... that's why it's left as belief... so they can walk away and be happy rejecting. God wants people to choose, he gave them what they wanted, to let them think what they want, freely. God's words say directly that he is God, and nothing has never said anything. Why choose nothing? The things God said, give him away as being God. The things God knew, only he could have known.

      There is so much God has done, and it's painful to see others claim he's done nothing, when he clearly has over all history. Those accounts in the bible are real. It's not made up. God is the most wonderful being ever, really, I'm in awe of him. It's sad that so many can't and don't want to see what he's like, what he can do and has done. Thrill of a lifetime just reading the words, and then all the more. He's still God and he's still there... there for all eternity.

      May 19, 2013 at 2:52 am |
    • tallulah13

      @For someone special

      Your god has proven nothing. There is not a single shred of evidence to prove your god exists. You have chosen to believe that characters in a book of myths are real; There is not a single reason to believe these "witnesses" actually "said" anything. All you have is ancient stories, passed down by word of mouth, finally written down a generation or two after the alleged death of Christ and edited into what became known as the bible at the First Council of Nicaea in the year 325. A lot of what was written about your god was left out, because it didn't match what the very human Council wanted the bible to say.

      Your god is not "all over history", unless you count the acts, good and evil, of his followers. Humanity is all over history, as are the natural phenomena too often attributed to a god because those who saw it didn't understand the actual causes.

      You feel all happy when you think about your god. But your happy feelings are not proof of your god. They are proof that you have happy feelings. Every true believer of every one of the literally thousands of gods that humanity has ever worshiped had the exact same feelings you do, and the exact same conviction, and has had the exact same absence of proof. Your happy feelings are not unique in any way, and they prove nothing.

      You can be in awe of your god all you want. What you haven't done, what no one has ever done, is prove he is real.

      May 19, 2013 at 3:30 am |
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