May 19th, 2013
06:00 AM ET
Proof of heaven popular, except with the church
By John Blake, CNN
“God, help me!”
Eben Alexander shouted and flailed as hospital orderlies tried to hold him in place. But no one could stop his violent seizures, and the 54-year-old neurosurgeon went limp as his horrified wife looked on.
That moment could have been the end. But Alexander says it was just the beginning. He found himself soaring toward a brilliant white light tinged with gold into “the strangest, most beautiful world I’d ever seen.”
Alexander calls that world heaven, and he describes his journey in “Proof of Heaven,” which has been on The New York Times bestseller list for 27 weeks. Alexander says he used to be an indifferent churchgoer who ignored stories about the afterlife. But now he knows there’s truth to those stories, and there’s no reason to fear death.
“Not one bit,” he said. “It’s a transition; it’s not the end of anything. We will be with our loved ones again.”
Heaven used to be a mystery, a place glimpsed only by mystics and prophets. But popular culture is filled with firsthand accounts from all sorts of people who claim that they, too, have proofs of heaven after undergoing near-death experiences.
Yet the popularity of these stories raises another question: Why doesn’t the church talk about heaven anymore?
Preachers used to rhapsodize about celestial streets of gold while congregations sang joyful hymns like “I’ll Fly Away” and “When the Roll is Called up Yonder.” But the most passionate accounts of heaven now come from people outside the church or on its margins.
Most seminaries don’t teach courses on heaven; few big-name pastors devote much energy to preaching or writing about the subject; many ordinary pastors avoid the topic altogether out of embarrassment, indifference or fear, scholars and pastors say.
“People say that the only time they hear about heaven is when they go to a funeral,” said Gary Scott Smith, author of “Heaven in the American Imagination” and a history professor at Grove City College in Pennsylvania.
Talk of heaven shouldn’t wait, though, because it answers a universal question: what happens when we die, says the Rev. John Price, author of “Revealing Heaven,” which offers a Christian perspective of near-death experiences.
“Ever since people started dying, people have wondered, where did they go? Where are they now? Is this what happens to me?” said Price, a retired pastor and hospital chaplain.
A little girl’s revelation
Price didn’t always think heaven was so important. He scoffed at reports of near-death experiences because he thought they reduced religion to ghost stories. Besides, he was too busy helping grieving families to speculate about the afterlife.
His attitude changed, though, after a young woman visited his Episcopal church one Sunday with her 3-year-old daughter.
Price had last seen the mother three years earlier. She had brought her then-7-week-old daughter to the church for baptism. Price hadn't heard from her since. But when she reappeared, she told Price an amazing story.
She had been feeding her daughter a week after the baptism when milk dribbled out of the infant's mouth and her eyes rolled back into her head. The woman rushed her daughter to the emergency room, where she was resuscitated and treated for a severe upper respiratory infection.
Three years later, the mother was driving past the same hospital with her daughter when the girl said, “Look, Mom, that’s where Jesus brought me back to you.”
“The mother nearly wrecked her car,” Price said. “She never told her baby about God, Jesus, her near-death experience, nothing. All that happened when the girl was 8 weeks old. How could she remember that?”
When Price started hearing similar experiences from other parishioners, he felt like a fraud. He realized that he didn’t believe in heaven, even though it was part of traditional Christian doctrine.
He started sharing near-death stories he heard with grieving families and dejected hospital workers who had lost patients. He told them dying people had glimpsed a wonderful world beyond this life.
The stories helped people, Price said, and those who've had similar experiences of heaven should “shout them from the rooftops.”
“I’ve gone around to many churches to talk about this, and the venue they give me is just stuffed,” he said. “People are really hungry for it.”
Why pastors are afraid of heaven
Many pastors, though, don’t want to touch the subject because it’s too dangerous, says Lisa Miller, author of “Heaven: Our Enduring Fascination with the Afterlife.”
Miller cites the experience of Rob Bell, one of the nation’s most popular evangelical pastors.
Bell ignited a firestorm two years ago when he challenged the teaching that only Christians go to heaven in “Love Wins: A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived.”
The book angered many members of Bell’s church as well as many in the evangelical establishment. He subsequently resigned.
“Farewell, Rob Bell,” one prominent evangelical tweeted.
“It’s a tough topic for a pastor,” said Miller, a former religion columnist for the Washington Post. “If you get too literal, you can risk sounding too silly. If you don’t talk about it, you’re evading one of the most important questions about theology and why people come to church.”
If pastors do talk about stories of near-death experiences, they can also be seen as implying that conservative doctrine – only those who confess their faith in Jesus get to heaven, while others suffer eternal damnation – is wrong, scholars and pastors say.
Many of those who share near-death stories aren’t conservative Christians but claim that they, too, have been welcomed by God to heaven.
“Conservative Christians aren’t the only ones going to heaven," said Price, "and that makes them mad."
There was a time, though, when the church talked a lot more about the afterlife.
Puritan pastors in the 17th and 18th centuries often preached about heaven, depicting it as an austere, no fuss-place where people could commune with God.
African-American slaves sang spirituals about heaven like “Swing Low, Sweet Chariot.” They often depicted it as a place of ultimate payback: Slaves would escape their humiliation and, in some cases, rule over their former masters.
America’s fixation with heaven may have peaked around the Civil War. The third most popular book in 18th century America – behind the Bible and “Uncle Tom’s Cabin” – was "Gates Ajar," written in the wake of the war, Miller says.
The 1868 novel was “The Da Vinci Code” of its day, Miller says. It revolved around a grieving woman who lost her brother in the Civil War. A sympathetic aunt assures her that her brother is waiting in heaven, a bucolic paradise where people eat sumptuous meals, dogs sun themselves on porches and people laugh with their loved ones.
“This was a vision of heaven that was so appealing to hundreds of thousands of people who had lost people in the Civil War,” Miller said.
Americans needed heaven because life was so hard: People didn’t live long, infant mortality was high, and daily life was filled with hard labor.
“People were having 12 kids, and they would outlive 11 of them,” said Smith, author of "Heaven in the American Imagination." “Death was ever-present.”
The church eventually stopped talking about heaven, though, for a variety of reasons: the rise of science; the emergence of the Social Gospel, a theology that encouraged churches to create heaven on Earth by fighting for social justice; and the growing affluence of Americans. (After all, who needs heaven when you have a flat-screen TV, a smartphone and endless diversions?)
But then a voice outside the church rekindled Americans' interest in the afterlife. A curious 23-year-old medical student would help make heaven cool again.
The father of near-death experiences
Raymond Moody had been interested in the afterlife long before it was fashionable.
He was raised in a small Georgia town during World War II where death always seemed just around the corner. He constantly heard stories about soldiers who never returned from war. His father was a surgeon who told him stories of bringing back patients from the brink of death. In college, he was enthralled when he read one of the oldest accounts of a near-death experience, a soldier’s story told by Socrates in Plato’s “Republic.”
His fascination with the afterlife was sealed one day when he heard a speaker who would change his life.
The speaker was George Ritchie, a psychiatrist. Moody would say later of Ritchie, “He had that look of someone who had just finished a long session of meditation and didn’t have a care in the world.”
Moody sat in the back of a fraternity room as Ritchie told his story.
It was December 1943, and Ritchie was in basic training with the U.S. Army at Camp Barkeley, Texas. He contracted pneumonia and was placed in the hospital infirmary, where his temperature spiked to 107. The medical staff piled blankets on top of Ritchie’s shivering body, but he was eventually pronounced dead.
“I could hear the doctor give the order to prep me for the morgue, which was puzzling, because I had the sensation of still being alive,” Ritchie said.
He even remembers rising from a hospital gurney to talk to the hospital staff. But the doctors and nurses walked right through him when he approached them.
He then saw his lifeless body in a room and began weeping when he realized he was dead. Suddenly, the room brightened “until it seemed as though a million welding torches were going off around me.”
He says he was commanded to stand because he was being ushered into the presence of the Son of God. There, he saw every minute detail of his life flash by, including his C-section birth. He then heard a voice that asked, “What have you done with your life?"
After hearing Ritchie’s story, Moody decided what he was going to do with his life: investigate the afterlife.
He started collecting stories of people who had been pronounced clinically dead but were later revived. He noticed that the stories all shared certain details: traveling through a tunnel, greeting family and friends who had died, and meeting a luminous being that gave them a detailed review of their life and asked them whether they had spent their life loving others.
Moody called his stories “near-death experiences,” and in 1977 he published a study of them in a book, “Life after Life.” His book has sold an estimated 13 million copies.
Today, he is a psychiatrist who calls himself “an astronaut of inner space.” He is considered the father of the near-death-experience phenomenon.
He says science, not religion, resurrected the afterlife. Advances in cardiopulmonary resuscitation meant that patients who would have died were revived, and many had stories to share.
“Now that we have these means for snatching people back from the edge, these stories are becoming more amazing,” said Moody, who has written a new book, “Paranormal: My Life in Pursuit of the Afterlife.”
“A lot of medical doctors know about this from their patients, but they’re just afraid to talk about it in public.”
Ritchie’s story was told through a Christian perspective. But Moody says stories about heaven transcend religion. He's collected them from Jews, Muslims, Buddhists and atheists.
“A lot of people talk about encountering a being of light,” he said. “Christians call it Christ. Jewish people say it’s an angel. I’ve gone to different continents, and you can hear the same thing in China, India and Japan about meeting a being of complete love and compassion.”
It’s not just what people see in the afterlife that makes these stories so powerful, he says. It’s how they live their lives once they survive a near-death experience.
Many people are never the same, Moody says. They abandon careers that were focused on money or power for more altruistic pursuits.
“Whatever they had been chasing, whether it's power, money or fame, their experience teaches them that what this (life) is all about is teaching us to love,” Moody said.
Under 'the gaze of a God'
Alexander, the author of “Proof of Heaven,” seems to fit Moody's description. He’s a neurosurgeon, but he spends much of time now speaking about his experience instead of practicing medicine.
He'd heard strange stories over the years of revived heart attack patients traveling to wonderful landscapes, talking to dead relatives and even meeting God. But he never believed those stories. He was a man of science, an Episcopalian who attended church only on Easter and Christmas.
That changed one November morning in 2008 when he was awakened in his Lynchburg, Virginia, home by a bolt of pain shooting down his spine. He was rushed to the hospital and diagnosed with bacterial meningitis, a disease so rare, he says, it afflicts only one in 10 million adults.
After his violent seizures, he lapsed into a coma — and there was little hope for his survival. But he awakened a week later with restored health and a story to tell.
He says what he experienced was “too beautiful for words.” The heaven he describes is not some disembodied hereafter. It’s a physical place filled with achingly beautiful music, waterfalls, lush fields, laughing children and running dogs.
In his book, he describes encountering a transcendent being he alternately calls “the Creator” or “Om.” He says he never saw the being's face or heard its voice; its thoughts were somehow spoken to him.
“It understood humans, and it possessed the qualities we possess, only in infinitely greater measure. It knew me deeply and overflowed with qualities that all my life I’ve always associated with human beings and human beings alone: warmth, compassion, pathos … even irony and humor.”
Holly Alexander says her husband couldn’t forget the experience.
“He was driven to write 12 hours a day for three years,” she said. “It began as a diary. Then he thought he would write a medical paper; then he realized that medical science could not explain it all.”
“Proof of Heaven” debuted at the top of The New York Times bestseller list and has sold 1.6 million copies, according to its publisher.
Alexander says he didn’t know how to deal with his otherworldly journey at first.
“I was my own worst skeptic,” he said. “I spent an immense amount of time trying to come up with ways my brain might have done this.”
Conventional medical science says consciousness is rooted in the brain, Alexander says. His medical records indicated that his neocortex — the part of the brain that controls thought, emotion and language — had ceased functioning while he was in a coma.
Alexander says his neocortex was “offline” and his brain “wasn’t working at all” during his coma. Yet he says he reasoned, experienced emotions, embarked on a journey — and saw heaven.
“Those implications are tremendous beyond description,” Alexander wrote. “My experience showed me that the death of the body and the brain are not the end of consciousness; that human experience continues beyond the grave. More important, it continues under the gaze of a God who loves and cares about each one of us.”
Skeptics say Alexander’s experience can be explained by science, not the supernatural.
They cite experiments where neurologists in Switzerland induced out-of-body experiences in a woman suffering from epilepsy through electrical stimulation of the right side of her brain.
Michael Shermer, founder and publisher of Skeptic magazine, says the U.S. Navy also conducted studies with pilots that reproduced near-death experiences. Pilots would often black out temporarily when their brains were deprived of oxygen during training, he says.
These pilots didn’t go to heaven, but they often reported seeing a bright light at the end of a tunnel, a floating sensation and euphoria when they returned to consciousness, Shermer says.
“Whatever experiences these people have is actually in their brain. It’s not out there in heaven,” Shermer said.
Some people who claim to see heaven after dying didn’t really die, says Shermer, author of “Why People Believe Weird Things.”
“They’re called near-death experiences for a reason: They’re near death but not dead,” Shermer said. “In that fuzzy state, it’s not dissimilar to being asleep and awakened where people have all sorts of transitory experiences that seem very real.”
The boy who saw Jesus
Skeptics may scoff at a story like Alexander’s, but their popularity has made a believer out of another group: the evangelical publishing industry.
While the church may be reluctant to talk about heaven, publishers have become true believers. The sales figures for books on heaven are divine: Don Piper’s “90 Minutes in Heaven” has sold 5 million copies. And “Heaven is for Real: A Little Boy’s Astounding Story of His Trip to Heaven and Back” is the latest publishing juggernaut.
“Heaven is for Real” has been on The New York Times bestseller list for 126 consecutive weeks and sold 8 million copies, according to its publisher.
The story is told from the perspective of Colton Burpo, who was just 4 when he slipped into unconsciousness while undergoing emergency surgery for a burst appendix.
Colton says he floated above his body during the operation and soared to heaven, where he met Jesus. Todd Burpo, Colton’s father, says he was skeptical about his son’s story until his son described meeting a great-grandfather and a miscarried baby sister — something no one had ever told him about.
Todd Burpo is a pastor, but he says he avoided preaching about heaven because he didn’t know enough about the subject.
“It’s pretty awkward,” he said. “Here I am the pastor, but I’m not the teacher on the subject. My son is teaching me.”
Colton is now 13 and says he still remembers meeting Jesus in heaven.
“He had brown hair, a brown beard to match and a smile brighter than any smile I’ve ever seen,’’ he said. “His eyes were sea-blue, and they were just, wow.”
Colton says he’s surprised by the success of his book, which has been translated into 35 languages. There’s talk of a movie, too.
“It’s totally a God thing,” he said.
Alexander, author of “Proof of Heaven,” seems to have the same attitude: His new life is a gift. He’s already writing another book on his experience.
“Once I realized what my journey was telling me," he said, "I knew I had to tell the story.”
He now attends church but says his faith is not dogmatic.
“I realized very strongly that God loves all of God’s children,” he said. “Any religion that claims to be the true one and the rest of them are wrong is wrong.”
Central to his story is something he says he heard in heaven.
During his journey, he says he was accompanied by an angelic being who gave him a three-part message to share on his return.
When he heard the message, he says it went through him “like a wind” because he instantly knew it was true.
It’s the message he takes today to those who wonder who, or what, they will encounter after death.
The angel told him:
“You are loved and cherished, dearly, forever.”
“You have nothing to fear.”
“There is nothing you can do wrong."
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Do you suppose we are all so deeply fearful of our own passing that we've all gone absolutely crazy?
Heaven is absolutely Real,
the Proofs are irrefutable:
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'For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall have eternal life." John 3:16
"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son." John 3:18 These are the words of Jesus.
Why are people so obsessed with eternal life? What is wrong with just having your life end period? This fantasy of heaven in various forms has been the fodder for most of the wars on this planet and has resulted in intolerance, bigotry and aggression. It has kept us from achieving the ultimate human potential.
And Burpo's kid never heard him preach or discuss these other issues. Right – more nonsense.
Proof of absolutely nothing. The guy was having seizures and was delusional – that's it. Pathetic.
So Solly, There is no place in the whole universe like earth, and you can find heaven and hell right here. You don't have to look any futher. Besides what would you do for eternity?
I'd work on bead projects, paint, and make things out of yarn then go swiming and eat lots of cake. I do that now. I don't think I'll ever get tired of it. In short I don't want to die not today or ever.
I wouldn't say that church doesn't talk about heaven at all. However, the concept of heaven is not simple or easy to talk about. Further, it isn't the crux of Christian belief. This place belongs to the atonement of Christ. The idea of being with God in a sparkly, happy place for all of eternity–as many of these books noted above portray heaven–does not sound like heaven at all. Instead of focusing on a reality we cannot even imagine, I find it helpful to focus on our promised resurrection in the second coming of Christ. This could be called "heaven" but it is nothing like pop-culture's heaven.
Star dust we are.
Pebbly Rocks Testify to Old Streambed On Mars..........and the asteroid that flattened mars aye chadfie !
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Have a great life and look up for that falling chondrite !
BUZZ OFF fake science poster.and chadie/faith/Austin/toothless and L$H saw you somewhere today........the cats !
all creationists !
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Have a great life if you can crawl out of the green slim you are in.
What I don't get, being an atheist myself, is why so many atheists feel they have to shove their beliefs down the throats of believers. Truly I don't get why religious people do the same, but at least they believe they're helping. What does atheism have to offer? I hate being an atheist. I'd love to believe that life has meaning and that freewill actually exists; That I'm not just a less that insignificant blip against the background of infinite time and space. I love life, and fear death. I would give anything to be able to believe that when I die everything about me won't just cease to exist. So why do so many make such an effort to take that comfort away from believers?
I struggled with this for awhile. It definitely gives us a bad name when people go out of their way to shove atheism down other people's throats. Certain people use their religion to defend moral values (such as not allowing gay people to marry). If their religion is wrong, they need to come up with a better argument for such beliefs about society. Christians do a lot of good, there is no denying that. Convinced believers give a lot of energy and money helping the poor and those who need it. That doesn't make them infallible, but it does mean we should be polite when questioning their views.
You took the words right out of my mouth Mike. I think there are alot of us that are not "atheists" persay just garden variety non believers, skeptics and doubters that wish we had a little faith in something. I think alot of the atheists are just concerned with how religion affects societal issues. Plus, I know first hand how annoying it is when a Christian friend thinks something is wrong with you because you believe in what you can see everyday and not something that has no proof. That being said there has to be a middle ground somewhere.
Allow me to recommend a book: "The Cost of Discipleship" Dietrich Bohoeffer, a noted Lutheran priest who participated in an assassination attempt on Adolph Hitler and was executed for it describes how faith is achieved as opposed to adopted.
"faith is achieved as opposed to adopted."
Right, you don't get brain washed overnight, it takes time. What I find rather funny is that so many religious claim to have faith in some higher power but have never learned to have faith in themselves. Pretty sad really.
Many of us have struggled with what you describe, and I have said before that I view the path to atheism like the 5 stages of grief. Acceptance is difficult and the depression phase can last a long time. I would like to tell you that the universe will never be the same without you, and every decision you make exercising your free will, changes the universe irrevocably. You may be just a blip, but your footprints will exist until the universe erases them sometime far, far in the future. You may seem insignificant, but the laws of non-linear systems shows us that small differences can have massive effects in the future (the so-called butterfly effect).
Mike, I have a proposal for you. Go check out mormon dot org and read about my faith. Now before you (or others) go off about how weird Mormon beliefs are, I invite you to read about it from the source–not from those who are critics or skeptics. Give it a fair reading.
I will state that if I was left to the various other religious traditions that exist in the world, I would probably be an atheist too. The beauty of my faith system is that it provides a path to reconcile all truth–scientific truth, sociological truth, biological truth, and yes, religious truth, into one great whole body of truth. Truth is truth. I do not carry religious truth in one hand and scientific truth in another. They are both one and the same. Once we know all scientific truth and all religious truth, they will in fact be the same truth.
If you look into the lives of various Mormons (or Latter-day Saints as we prefer to be called - as a function of the church's full name, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints), you will find highly educated people. Contrary to most trends among religious people in the world, committed, believing Latter-day Saints tend to be those with more education. My daughter, for example, is pursuing a PhD in physics and has as strong a faith in God as anyone I know. This is typical among those of our faith.
So, I invite you to read about my religion. Study it out, and see if it can lead you to the faith that your heart desires. I believe that it can. This is my heartfelt gift to you.
@ In Santa we trust:
It does not matter "how" the elements where created. You cannot name does "other factors" that created life out of elements because life cannot be created out of elements.
Some decent education will probably make you less boring.
Life is not created out of elements? What do you mean exactly? We are made of the elements. We are mostly carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, sodium, sulfur, and a few others.
Do you mean life can't arise spontaneously from the elements? No, it didn't, it arose after various elements were combined naturally to make organic molecules. Then those molecules came together in such a way as to make self replicating chemical systems, and then those eventually became more organized into simple cells, then complex cells, etc.
Consilience: Yes, but what made them do that exactly? And as soon as you find out..what caused that to occur?
The God of the gaps is eternal, my atheist friend. 🙂
Interesting to note that the concept of an afterlife did not creep into Judaic writings until after the Babylonian Captivity. Cyrus the Great of Persia freed the Israelites. The Persians were mostly believers in the Zorastarian faith. That faith taught that there was an angel of Good and an angel of Evil and that by doing what pleased the angel of Good one got to live in the glow of God in an afterlife. "Good thoughts, good words, good deeds" is the core to getting in. Any of that sound familiar? Notice that after the Captivity, Satan is resurrected in the Hebrew writings, but now appears as an angel of Evil. These are not Judaic teachings, but the teachings of Zorathrusta.
For me, Creation is screaming "There's a God! There's a God! There's a God!!" Don't worry about what folkes write about it. Don't worry about correcting others for believing in it. Don't worry if you don't see it a certain way. Just be yourself and continue to enjoy your inheritance that has been given to you that you did not earn or deserve.
I firmly believe that you should be true to your own beliefs if someone likes it or not.
First of all, what is “creation” and why are you capitalizing it like it makes it mean something else? Secondly, what evidence do you have that your god is real? Please present some form of reliable evidence to support your claim.
Just from the post honey, I'd say the evidence is that ALM can hear and see and is willing to base their life on what they observe whether you are capable of observing the same or not.
Perhaps christian churches don't mention heaven because fear works better when you want to control people.
Can coincidence create a system? Is it possible to create a system by coincidence ? Did you so called atheists miss that part in your math lessons? Do you seriously believe that from a big bang ( where nobody is really sure why it "banged") with a wild mixture of elements , all of a sudden, 12 billion years later, these complex species, plants, animals and humans have invented themselves out of carbon, dust and gas? Why don't you put a piece of charcoal on your desk and wait until it's starts getting legs and walks away. Because that is, basically, what you believe in, right?
Mathman. There's a misnomer if ever I saw one. Pressure and heat created the elements. Some combination of elements and other factors created life. Life evolved over billions of years. You don't really get science do you?
In what world do you live in that 12 billion years is 'all of a sudden?' If you believe that humans can diversify in a matter of 6000 years then surely 12 billion is nothing
I feel so sad for so many of you guys. I don't understand your train of thought. I can't imagine how bitter and alone you must feel not knowing God. If you don't believe why even waste your time reading this and commenting. Do you honestly not have anything better to do then put others down for their beliefs? Don't get me wrong if reading this might give some hope of you guys relizeing God is real then by all means please read and give your opinion(an opinion is not a bad joke). However don't bring others down for what they think. I don't go to an atheist board and waste my time commenting. It's so funny to me how some atheist speak about God more then Christians! The only thing I can say is I will for sure pray for you.
Oh thank you so much "ifyouonly" how-ever-so-grateful I am to you! Pray for me, oh yes, pray, pray, pray!
I “realize” that there is no god because there is no evidence to support the claim that there is one. I want to know that what I believe in is real and actually care that my reasons for my beliefs are true or not. If you don’t care that you have good reasons for your beliefs then that is all well and good for you but not for me. I will continue to live my non-delusional life thank you.
To give a sincere response, I mostly comment on these forums in order to practice my skills for when I debate Christians in real life. Unfortunately, when most people find out, they try to bring me back to Christianity. By arguing on these comment sections, it prepares me for that. I definitely don't speak for everyone, and I don't always leave constructive comments.
I suppose a more general question you are asking is "why do we care at all?". Well, understand it from our perspective: lots of people who are religious often try to use religion to justify why actions are right and wrong. But we don't believe in God, we need to find something else to justify our life choices. And actually, these actions and beliefs of morality often have an impact on us, so the reason why we are sometimes vocals is because we are convinced we're right and that society needs to make some changes. Just like why anyone discusses any belief they hold(from gun control to the economy to whether or not you should hold a certain job).
When we die we all hallucinate as our brains shut down and fire off like crazy. While we die and when we dream the brain releases DMT and we experience visions. The only difference is that we aren't used to it happening while we die or while were awake. You'll see whatever lingers in your unconscious.
Screw heaven, I wanna know what hell's like. That'S where the party's at.
There is no Haven and if a god actually exists it is a terrible, insane sadist
I meant "heaven", sorry
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For those of you that do not believe in God...try one thing...pray and ask God to reveal himself in some way in your life to show that he exists...He will do it if you ask..and hopefully you will one day be a believer in Heaven.