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Prosecutor: Parents' belief in faith healing led to infant's death
May 24th, 2013
05:22 PM ET

Prosecutor: Parents' belief in faith healing led to infant's death

By Sarah Hoye, CNN
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Philadelphia (CNN)–When Brandon Schaible got a rash, his parents prayed.

When the 7-month-old became irritable with diarrhea and lost his appetite, his parents, Catherine and Herbert Schaible, prayed again.

When Brandon had trouble breathing and gasped for air, his parents called a pastor - this, in spite of the fact that a judge had ordered them to call a doctor.

Brandon Schaible died on April 18 from bacterial pneumonia, dehydration and strep, according to the district attorney’s office – all treatable with antibiotics.

On Wednesday his parents were charged with third-degree murder.

The Schaibles are lifelong members of the First Century Gospel Church in Philadelphia, one of several religious groups in the U.S. that relies on faith, and eschews most medical care.

Founded in 1925, the First Century Gospel Church is an offshoot of Faith Tabernacle Congregation, also in Philadelphia. Both churches believe that God - and God alone - heals the sick.

“Herbert’s a father like anyone else. He’s hurt and he’s mourning the death of his son,” said Bobby Hoof, Herbert Schaible’s attorney. “He’s not snubbing his nose at the court. He’s incarcerated because of his faith.”

Philadelphia District Attorney Seth Williams says the Schaibles’ failure to seek medical attention resulted in the death of their son.

“Instead of caring and nurturing him,” Williams said, “they ultimately caused his death by praying over his body instead of taking him to the doctor.”

The Schaibles are also charged with involuntary manslaughter, conspiracy and endangering the welfare of a child. In April, the couple admitted to police that their son had exhibited symptoms for several days before he died.

On Friday, Court of Common Pleas Judge Benjamin Lerner ordered the Schaibles held without bail out of fear they were a flight risk.

“When this happened the first time around, the Schaibles had every reason to believe that, because of their faith, they had done nothing wrong,” Lerner said. “I know they’re not ‘sophisticated criminals’ … but the circumstances have changed.”

The Schaibles are already on probation for the 2009 death of another son, Kent, who died from bacterial pneumonia. A jury convicted the couple of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced them to 10 years probation.

Lerner said he was concerned that pastors and members in “churches like the Schaibles” would harbor them.

In a media interview last month, Pastor Nelson Clark of the First Century Gospel Church, said the Brandon and Ken Schaible died because of their parents’ “spiritual lack.”

Mythri Jayaraman, Catherine Schaible's attorney, called her a "completely devoted mother."

“The charges suggest a level of callousness that doesn’t fit who Catherine is,” Jayaraman said.

In addition to Pennsylvania, faith healing deaths have been prosecuted in Michigan, Indiana and Massachusetts.

According to Children's Healthcare Is a Legal Duty (CHILD), a nonprofit child advocacy group, at least 30 children have died since 1971 in Pennsylvania as a result of a parent's refusal to seek medical treatment because of their belief in faith healing.

Among the 30 are six children who died in 1991 from a measles outbreak in Philadelphia, all whom were born into families that belonged to either First Century Gospel Church or Faith Tabernacle.

“It’s a terrible conflict for these parents. They love their children and can see their child suffering,” said Rita Swan, president of CHILD. “If the laws were clearer, many of these parents would be relived of the pressure. As for the Schaibles, they are remarkably stubborn and extreme.”

Swan began advocating for the removal of religious exemptions from immunizations and parental legal requirements after her son Matthew died in 1977 from bacterial meningitis. She and her husband had relied on Christian Science practitioners to heal him.

“The poor child couldn’t lift an arm,” Swan said. “We prayed, we went to the practitioner. We trusted them.”

For members of faith-healing sects, it is common to believe that sickness is a result of unresolved sin or lack of faith, said Anthea Butler, a professor of religious studies at the University of Pennsylvania.

Faith-healing sects often interpret the Bible literally, citing, for example, Psalm 103: “Bless the Lord, O my soul … Who forgives all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases.”

First Century Gospel Church’s website reinforces that theme, citing the New Testament’s Book of Acts, “By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus' name, and the faith that comes through him that has completely healed him, as you can all see.”

Other religious groups believe that God can heal the sick, and many believers pray to be delivered from illness. The difference is that they, unlike the Schaibles, often seek medical attention in addition to prayer, Butler said.

First Assistant District Attorney Edward McCann says the Schaibles’ actions, not beliefs, are the problem.

“How many kids have to die before it becomes an extreme indifference to the value of human life?” McCann asked. “They killed one child already.”

If convicted of third-degree murder in Brandon’s death, the Schaibles could face a maximum sentence of 50 years in prison, Lerner said. They also face an additional 7 to 14 years if a judge decides to revoke their probation in Kent’s death.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Christian Science • Christianity • Crime • Culture & Science • Faith & Health

soundoff (2,002 Responses)
  1. Quite simply,

    Reliance on faith is FUCKED UP.

    May 24, 2013 at 8:14 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      Relying on only faith when there are other options to include is messed up.
      But faith in of itself isn't a bad thing.

      May 24, 2013 at 8:20 pm |
    • Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk

      Just like no tornado will get you, if you just have faith. LOL

      May 24, 2013 at 11:32 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Faith can be worthwhile, but when it's used to decide a situation rather than to continue to discover the situation it is fvcked up. Most people when talking about faith or using it mean it in the second sense and not the first. Right US?

      May 28, 2013 at 4:46 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Pardon me. I meant that most people use faith to decide situations and that's f'ed up

      May 28, 2013 at 4:47 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @Moby Schtick- "Faith can be worthwhile, but when it's used to decide a situation rather than to continue to discover the situation it is fvcked up. Most people when talking about faith or using it mean it in the second sense and not the first. Right US?"

      Exactly right.

      May 28, 2013 at 6:28 pm |
  2. Uncouth Swain

    So glad that the atheists (not all mind you..just the fundie atheists) agree with ol Rahm, "You never let a serious crisis go to waste."
    These people did something epically stupid but instead of focusing on them, they want to blame the entire religion and by proxy...all members of that faith. Heck, we got some on here blaming all religions...not just Christianity.

    May 24, 2013 at 8:12 pm |
    • ..

      These parents didn't do it once. They did it TWICE. They deserbve the contempt of all...religious or not. Defend them and you deserve contempt, also.

      May 24, 2013 at 8:45 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      In no way did I say anyone should defend them. In no way did I defend them.
      I did point out how some are using there stupidity as an excuse to put down any and all religions.

      May 24, 2013 at 8:48 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      @uncouth...................Have you seen what people do in the name of religion? That's why people need to rid themselves of this garbage. Those two F00LS that killed that soldier failed to realize NOBODY KILLS more Muslims than Muslims. Obviously they don't know what's going on in SYRIA is because of a Muslim leader.

      May 24, 2013 at 8:59 pm |
    • Ted

      Not like there's any lack of other things to put down religions for, belief in tooth fairy fictional creatures being one of those.

      May 24, 2013 at 11:10 pm |
    • LinCA

      @Uncouth Swain

      You said, "These people did something epically stupid but instead of focusing on them, they want to blame the entire religion and by proxy...all members of that faith."
      The only difference between these morons and other christians, is the bible verses that they pick and choose. Their choices caused the death of their children, but every christian uses the same flawed reasoning to live their lives.

      The root cause of their crimes is the same as what holds this country back in science. It's the same root cause as what fuels hate and bigotry. It's the same root cause that drives discrimination and inequality. So yes, religion is the problem.

      And unless you are content with treating only the symptoms, you eliminate the root cause. I prefer not to just treat the symptoms.

      You said, "Heck, we got some on here blaming all religions...not just Christianity."
      Different books, same shit.

      May 24, 2013 at 11:20 pm |
    • Jimmy G.

      @LinCA Nicely put!

      May 25, 2013 at 3:05 am |
    • boom

      good thing u r bashing 'athiest' while judging these peoples religion saying these did something stupid related to their religion.
      U know what is another stupid thing? a human egg being fertilized without a male injecting the other part of the dna it needs..
      how about a dead man rising and not being called a zombie?
      making the red sea stop and split? oh why should I continue

      May 27, 2013 at 1:16 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @Ken Margo- "Have you seen what people do in the name of religion?"

      Yep, help the poor....give guidence to those that need it. Help their neighbors out.
      Pointing out the bad like some of you are doing does not wipe away the good that is also done.

      May 28, 2013 at 3:11 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @LinCA- "The only difference between these morons and other christians, is the bible verses that they pick and choose."

      WRONG...these ppl chose to ignore common sense that most christians (and most ppl) do not ignore. Judging the majority by the actions of the minority is stupid and dangerous.

      "Their choices caused the death of their children, but every christian uses the same flawed reasoning to live their lives."

      Wrong yet again.

      "The root cause of their crimes is the same as what holds this country back in science. It's the same root cause as what fuels hate and bigotry. It's the same root cause that drives discrimination and inequality. So yes, religion is the problem."

      Wrong yet again. I think any rational person would agree that the US was primarily a Christian nation in the late 50's and 60's. Meaning, made up of mostly Christians. But it was that nation that expanded education in the sciences. Religion obviously didn't hold us back in science then. Using religion as a scapegoat is incorrect.
      Hate and bogotry? So when Christianity help push through the civil rights movement...it was a fluke? Better tell everyone that REV. Martin Luther King's faith had nothing to do with him and the civil rights movement.

      "And unless you are content with treating only the symptoms, you eliminate the root cause. I prefer not to just treat the symptoms."

      Yes...because using religion as a scapegoat is a symptom of a dangerous and ignorant mind. What's the root of that problem?

      May 28, 2013 at 3:18 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @boom- I don't know why you even commented. You have no grasp of what you are even talking about. Atheist sheep...they are everywhere aren't they?

      May 28, 2013 at 3:20 pm |
    • .

      Uncouth Swain = Lycidas

      May 28, 2013 at 4:40 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      I don't know abou tthat because Lycidas has a hissy fit when he azzumes that others are using other names, plus, he's a bigger azzhole than US.

      May 28, 2013 at 4:57 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      @.- very good Inspector Clouseau..maybe you'll show off your intelligence by telling us what that fireball in the sky is called.
      *chuckle*

      @Moby Schtick- actually Moby...I complain when ppl are hiding behind multiple usernames. I'm not like some ppl that create other usernames just to show support for a certain point of view. I've never hid the fact that I use other usernames.
      As for how I treat ppl on here, if they are thoughtful and sane sounding...I respond to them as such. When they are jerks...I treat them as such. It's always amusing that they seem like the biggest whiners out there. If they can only dish it out and not take it...then they may need to grow up a little.

      May 28, 2013 at 6:33 pm |
  3. Uncouth Swain

    I just don't understand some people. Yes I understand the idea of praying and hoping that a bad situation will get better. But if you are among the faithful, you have to believe that God also gave you the common sense to use what is available to make things better too.
    It's raining, you grab an umbrella. You got a splinter in your hand, grab some tweezers. Your kid is sick....take him to a doctor. Nothing wrong with faith and hope if you infuse it with the will to do soemthing about it.

    May 24, 2013 at 7:58 pm |
    • Ted

      Why do you "have to believe" that god is a kind being, and is personally active?

      May 24, 2013 at 11:11 pm |
    • boom

      yet 'god' fertilized a human egg without the other needed dna, made a man rise from the dead but wasnt a zombie....
      these r called leaps of faith because u need to throw out facts and believe in nonsense....
      so it makes no sense u saying they need to accept facts when religion is based on nonsense. a true believe sticks to the nonsense someone who does not accept facts and what science taught mankind

      May 27, 2013 at 1:20 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      "Why do you "have to believe" that god is a kind being, and is personally active?"

      Who said I did?

      May 28, 2013 at 3:21 pm |
  4. The real Tom

    And of course, the idiotic fundies like fred the dead head pretend that this case has anything at all to do with abortion. What a bunch of weasels you people are.

    May 24, 2013 at 7:56 pm |
  5. Smitty

    Cry about it some more.

    May 24, 2013 at 7:48 pm |
  6. Religion is poison

    Does anyone really need more proof than this that prayer doesn't work? Talking to yourself doesn't change the health condition of others. Can you really blame the parents? This is religious brainwashing gone amuck. When people take religion too seriously, they fly airplanes into buildings and they neglect and abuse their children. Do what you want to yourself In the name of your religion, but hurt others and you have to answer to us, the secular world.

    May 24, 2013 at 7:41 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      "Do what you want to yourself In the name of your religion, but hurt others and you have to answer to us, the secular world."

      Unless it's abortion. Just sayin.

      May 24, 2013 at 8:03 pm |
    • Correct

      More religious people get abortions than non-religious.

      May 24, 2013 at 8:13 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      And does the secular world hold them accountable? That was the point of the comment you know.

      May 24, 2013 at 8:18 pm |
    • The real Tom

      US, you're as disingenuous as fred.

      May 24, 2013 at 8:21 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      In what way tommy?
      Don't be shy.

      May 24, 2013 at 8:35 pm |
    • The real Tom

      I'm not interested in sparring with you.

      May 24, 2013 at 8:43 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      Then you should think before you comment.

      May 24, 2013 at 8:45 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Oh, I do. That's why I said that I don't care to spar with you.

      I can. But why bother. Like Chard, you'll just lie.

      May 24, 2013 at 8:49 pm |
    • the AnViL™

      *chortle*

      May 24, 2013 at 10:37 pm |
    • Ted

      Uncouth Swain is a disgusting little twerp.

      May 24, 2013 at 11:12 pm |
    • yawatevur

      @Uncouth
      "And does the secular world hold them accountable?"

      You bet your pompous ass we do! We just prosecuted that disgusting abortion doctor and anyone else who breaks the SECULAR LAW.

      May 24, 2013 at 11:55 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      Here is a fun little game to play Tommy....prove I have lied.
      Until then....guess what? You are a liar.

      Doubt your mindless little cheer section will agree, but then again..they are mindless 🙂

      May 28, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Uncouth, Are you suggesting that abortion is performed in the name of religion?

      May 28, 2013 at 3:27 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      No, of course not. My original statement was aimed at the part where Rip was talking about hurting others and holding them accountable. I merely pointed out that abortion (that probably doesn't feel pleasant) isn't being held accountable by the secularists.
      Though as one person did point out..that jerk of a doctor in Penn (I think Penn) was found guilty for killing babies.

      May 28, 2013 at 3:32 pm |
  7. IslandAtheist

    God's plan sucks.

    May 24, 2013 at 7:40 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      What's God's plan since you are so chummy with him?

      May 24, 2013 at 8:04 pm |
    • Gods's plan

      includes all of the evil in this world. Love is available for a small donation.

      May 24, 2013 at 8:17 pm |
  8. The real Tom

    Un-fvcking-believable. How can ANYONE in this day and age, where information is so readily available, be so willfully ignorant and stupid, not to mention cruel and inhumane.

    May 24, 2013 at 7:39 pm |
  9. LinCA

    The claim that the Schaibles are incarcerated because of the faith is ridiculous and insulting. They are incarcerated because they are murderers. These people are criminals. Apparently completely ignorant, but criminals nonetheless.

    These morons not only should serve long prison time for the murder of their children, both of them, but should also lose custody of any remaining children. They should be strongly encouraged to never have another one.

    There may not yet be a cure for stupidity, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't protect the innocent children from their parents.

    May 24, 2013 at 7:36 pm |
  10. the AnViL™

    it is my sincere hope that along with the parents, the first century gospel church is held liable for the death of brandon.

    the clergy should be charged severely, as they are complicit in the death of this child.

    tolerance of religious idiocy has to end.. enough is enough

    May 24, 2013 at 7:03 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      If their clergy told them not to go to the doctors after they had a judge tell them to...I agree.

      May 24, 2013 at 8:06 pm |
  11. Geezer1948

    I grew up in a very religious home, and at 65, still consider myself a good Christian/Catholic, but one concept we were always brought up with was "God help those who help themselves." How sad and tragic.

    May 24, 2013 at 6:56 pm |
    • lizard

      You sound sensible. Unfortunately, you are brainwashed as well. Your religion is a cult. Free yourself. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are evil.

      May 24, 2013 at 6:58 pm |
    • Roger that

      "God help(s) those who help themselves"

      Translation: God does not help.

      May 24, 2013 at 7:52 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      Gotta love lizard....says a nice thing and just doesn't know when to stop and cancels out the nice by being a jerk.
      You are no better than those of a faith that tries to convince people that their lifestyle is wrong by saying they are brainwashed and going to hell.

      May 24, 2013 at 8:08 pm |
    • Ted

      Uncouth Swain, p!ss off. No one made you the judge of lizard, ass hole.

      May 24, 2013 at 11:13 pm |
    • Uncouth Swain

      Ted, p!ss off. No one made you the protector of lizard, a ss hole.

      May 28, 2013 at 3:26 pm |
  12. lizard

    Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are a plague on humanity and all living things. These religions are nothing more that tools for enslaving people and gaining temporal power. There is no god. He does not exist. Those of you that do believe have been indoctrinated into a cult. These mongrel religions should be illegal. Biggest group of hypocrites and moral frauds under the sun.

    May 24, 2013 at 6:56 pm |
    • A Conversation

      These mongrel religions should be illegal.....Lets start by burning the Consti.tution.

      May 24, 2013 at 7:32 pm |
    • yawatevur

      No, let's start by rewriting the 1st amendment and remove any protections for any religion. That work for you?

      May 24, 2013 at 11:59 pm |
    • Castlebeck

      No, leave all the religions. Just start taxing them. That should fix things

      May 28, 2013 at 4:34 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Yeah tax them all. Except for the King's. Yeah that'll do it.

      May 28, 2013 at 4:52 pm |
  13. Where is your God now?

    Let them have folks:

    http://www.fcgchurch.org/Main%20Pages/Contact%20Us/Contact%20Us.php (for email)

    Letters;

    First Century Gospel Church © 2013
    PO Box 24283
    PHILA PA 19120-5283

    May 24, 2013 at 6:54 pm |
    • UD

      If everyone on this blog writes them a letter or two or ten, at least they will know we all think they are sick fucks.

      May 24, 2013 at 6:55 pm |
    • Castlebeck

      Sure go ahead and deluge them with letters. And you make them popular, and that gives them power. Ignore them. It will drive them insane. Problem gone.

      May 28, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
  14. Portland tony

    Not taking advantage of every possible way (and they are God given ways) to save a child is unforgivable. They deserve to be sterilized at a minimum. There is no cure for stupid and indifference!

    May 24, 2013 at 6:42 pm |
  15. Reality

    More proof that there is no god. And more proof that the being Born, Bred and Brainwashed in religion (the Three B Syndrome) is still a very dangerous disease.

    May 24, 2013 at 6:18 pm |
    • .

      fourth d referring to unreality bull sh it

      May 24, 2013 at 6:33 pm |
    • Athy

      That would make it dullshit, wouldn't it?

      May 24, 2013 at 7:16 pm |
  16. sacredstruggler

    "Plenty of people pray for peace, but if praying were enough it would have come to be." Jewel

    May 24, 2013 at 5:59 pm |
  17. Tom, Tom, the Other One

    If you believe in this sort of God, it is consistent with your belief that all death comes from God.

    May 24, 2013 at 5:55 pm |
  18. Hypatia

    What kind of crazy does such a thing? Twice! Answer: deluded homicidal freaks.

    May 24, 2013 at 5:55 pm |
  19. That which has never aborted...

    ...cast the first stone!

    May 24, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
    • That which has never supported abortion...

      ...cast the stone

      May 24, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
    • bzzzzz

      Watch the hypocrites swarm this post

      May 24, 2013 at 5:58 pm |
    • redzoa

      An acorn is not a tree. It doesn't make one a hypocrite to understand this obvious difference. However, it certainly is hypocritical to claim one defends children by referencing commands in a holy book, where said holy book expressly calls for their slaughter . . .

      May 24, 2013 at 6:16 pm |
    • Reality

      Last time I checked, our judicial system casts many a stone to include execution when needed.

      And then there is this:

      John 8:7

      "When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."

      Said passage, as per many contemporary NT scholars, was not said by the historical Jesus. One reason for this conclusion is that it appears no where else in the scriptures.

      Actually, all of John's Gospel is of questionable historic value.

      To wit:

      From Professor Bruce Chilton in his book, Rabbi Jesus,

      "Conventionally, scholarship has accorded priority to the first three gospels in historical work on Jesus, putting progressively less credence in works of late date. John's Gospel for example is routinely dismissed as a source......

      From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_John#Authorship

      "Since "the higher criticism" of the 19th century, some historians have largely rejected the gospel of John as a reliable source of information about the historical Jesus.[3][4] "[M]ost commentators regard the work as anonymous,"[5] and date it to 90-100."

      "The authorship has been disputed since at least the second century, with mainstream Christianity believing that the author is John the Apostle, son of Zebedee. Modern experts usually consider the author to be an unknown non-eyewitness, though many apologetic Christian scholars still hold to the conservative Johannine view that ascribes authorship to John the Apostle."

      And from Professor Gerd Ludemann, in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 416,

      "Anyone looking for the historical Jesus will not find him in the Gospel of John. "

      See also http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/john.html

      May 24, 2013 at 6:22 pm |
  20. #prochoice

    It is perfectly ok to ABORT!

    May 24, 2013 at 5:28 pm |
    • Double standards?

      CNN???

      May 24, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
    • The real Tom

      It is legal to have an abortion, yes. Do you have a point? Do you not recognize the difference between a fetus that has yet to develop any ability to perceive pain and a fully formed, born child?

      I suggest you learn to do so.

      May 24, 2013 at 7:42 pm |
    • fred

      Truth about abortion:
      Once you have grasped something inside, squeeze on the clamp to set the jaws and pull hard–really hard. You feel something let go and out pops a fully formed leg about six inches long. Reach in again and grasp whatever you can. Set the jaw and pull really hard once again and out pops an arm about the same length. Reach in again and again with that clamp and tear out the spine, intestines, heart and lungs.

      The toughest part of a D&E abortion is extracting the baby’s head. The head of a baby that age is about the size of a large plum and is now free floating inside the uterine cavity. You can be pretty sure you have hold of it if the Sopher clamp is spread about as far as your fingers will allow. You will know you have it right when you crush d own on the clamp and see white gelatinous material coming through the cervix. That was the baby’s brains. You can then extract the skull pieces. Many times a little face will come out and stare back at you.

      Congratulations! You have just successfully performed a second trimester Suction D&E abortion. You just affirmed her right to choose.

      If you refuse to believe that this procedure inflicts severe pain on that unborn child, please think again.

      May 24, 2013 at 7:50 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Fred, you are so fvcking stupid. The VAST majority of abortions occur in the first trimester. No fetus that age has a leg 6 inches long, you moron. Furthermore, cite evidence from a peer-reviewed source that a fetus can sense pain before the third trimester, when any abortion would not be performed unless the pregnant woman's health or life were threatened.

      You fundie dunces always have to lie to try to make a point, and that renders your point invalid.

      Furthermore, Ferdy, abortion is legal. Child neglect is not.

      May 24, 2013 at 7:54 pm |
    • fred

      The real Tom
      I did not make it up:
      http://www.lifenews.com/2013/05/23/doctor-who-did-1200-abortions-tells-congress-to-ban-them/

      May 24, 2013 at 7:56 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Ferdy, if you were any dumber, we'd have to water you. Lifenews is NOT a reputable source of anything at all. Figure out what a peer-reviewed source is, fvcktard. If you have to lie to make a point, ferdy, you don't have a valid point. Fetuses do not have the ability to perceive pain until the third trimester, and then only late in that period.

      Get a clue, you sh!twit.

      May 24, 2013 at 8:00 pm |
    • fred

      Tom
      I was sitting on a dock reading that article so it was in fact pier-reviewed.

      May 24, 2013 at 8:06 pm |
    • ..

      You're SO right. Much better to have them and kill them with simple childhood ailments that can totally be prevented. This church is an abomination and these parents are too.
      Asshole.
      Any more stupid comparisons you'd care to make?

      May 24, 2013 at 8:17 pm |
    • The real Tom

      fred, you deserve the scorn you get on here, every single word of it. You're an azzhole.

      May 24, 2013 at 8:20 pm |
    • .

      Foolish morons! Killing is wrong whether you do it inside the womb or otherwise! Numbskull Tom- you piece of trash.

      May 24, 2013 at 8:28 pm |
    • fred

      Abortions in the US since 1973: Roe vs Wade 56,250,076
      30 children have died since 1971 in Pennsylvania because of their belief in faith healing

      This is what happens when atheists toss absolute truth out in favor of relative morality of the masses. Choices become relative as to what is life, when or if life has meaning, is it a child or not, is it the women's choice or a political parties choice etc etc etc

      The atheist dream of removing all standards established and in place for thousands of years unfolds into division rooted in desire an lust that is temporal.

      May 24, 2013 at 8:41 pm |
    • The real Tom

      fred, let me know the moment you are capable of carrying a pregnancy. That's the moment I'll give anything you have to say about abortion a flying fuck. Meanwhile, go eat sh1t.

      May 24, 2013 at 9:10 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Oh, and ferd and dot head? Guess what? Women have been aborting since man walked upright. Do you think you and your puny ideas of what you think is "morality" are going to do anything? Why haven't they then?

      Idiots.

      May 24, 2013 at 9:12 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      fred, 70+% of those abortions were had by believers. Why don't your fellow cult members listen to their shamans, and why can't/won't your god protect all children, born or unborn?

      May 25, 2013 at 11:40 am |
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The CNN Belief Blog covers the faith angles of the day's biggest stories, from breaking news to politics to entertainment, fostering a global conversation about the role of religion and belief in readers' lives. It's edited by CNN's Daniel Burke with contributions from Eric Marrapodi and CNN's worldwide news gathering team.