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Prosecutor: Parents' belief in faith healing led to infant's death
May 24th, 2013
05:22 PM ET

Prosecutor: Parents' belief in faith healing led to infant's death

By Sarah Hoye, CNN
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Philadelphia (CNN)–When Brandon Schaible got a rash, his parents prayed.

When the 7-month-old became irritable with diarrhea and lost his appetite, his parents, Catherine and Herbert Schaible, prayed again.

When Brandon had trouble breathing and gasped for air, his parents called a pastor - this, in spite of the fact that a judge had ordered them to call a doctor.

Brandon Schaible died on April 18 from bacterial pneumonia, dehydration and strep, according to the district attorney’s office – all treatable with antibiotics.

On Wednesday his parents were charged with third-degree murder.

The Schaibles are lifelong members of the First Century Gospel Church in Philadelphia, one of several religious groups in the U.S. that relies on faith, and eschews most medical care.

Founded in 1925, the First Century Gospel Church is an offshoot of Faith Tabernacle Congregation, also in Philadelphia. Both churches believe that God - and God alone - heals the sick.

“Herbert’s a father like anyone else. He’s hurt and he’s mourning the death of his son,” said Bobby Hoof, Herbert Schaible’s attorney. “He’s not snubbing his nose at the court. He’s incarcerated because of his faith.”

Philadelphia District Attorney Seth Williams says the Schaibles’ failure to seek medical attention resulted in the death of their son.

“Instead of caring and nurturing him,” Williams said, “they ultimately caused his death by praying over his body instead of taking him to the doctor.”

The Schaibles are also charged with involuntary manslaughter, conspiracy and endangering the welfare of a child. In April, the couple admitted to police that their son had exhibited symptoms for several days before he died.

On Friday, Court of Common Pleas Judge Benjamin Lerner ordered the Schaibles held without bail out of fear they were a flight risk.

“When this happened the first time around, the Schaibles had every reason to believe that, because of their faith, they had done nothing wrong,” Lerner said. “I know they’re not ‘sophisticated criminals’ … but the circumstances have changed.”

The Schaibles are already on probation for the 2009 death of another son, Kent, who died from bacterial pneumonia. A jury convicted the couple of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced them to 10 years probation.

Lerner said he was concerned that pastors and members in “churches like the Schaibles” would harbor them.

In a media interview last month, Pastor Nelson Clark of the First Century Gospel Church, said the Brandon and Ken Schaible died because of their parents’ “spiritual lack.”

Mythri Jayaraman, Catherine Schaible's attorney, called her a "completely devoted mother."

“The charges suggest a level of callousness that doesn’t fit who Catherine is,” Jayaraman said.

In addition to Pennsylvania, faith healing deaths have been prosecuted in Michigan, Indiana and Massachusetts.

According to Children's Healthcare Is a Legal Duty (CHILD), a nonprofit child advocacy group, at least 30 children have died since 1971 in Pennsylvania as a result of a parent's refusal to seek medical treatment because of their belief in faith healing.

Among the 30 are six children who died in 1991 from a measles outbreak in Philadelphia, all whom were born into families that belonged to either First Century Gospel Church or Faith Tabernacle.

“It’s a terrible conflict for these parents. They love their children and can see their child suffering,” said Rita Swan, president of CHILD. “If the laws were clearer, many of these parents would be relived of the pressure. As for the Schaibles, they are remarkably stubborn and extreme.”

Swan began advocating for the removal of religious exemptions from immunizations and parental legal requirements after her son Matthew died in 1977 from bacterial meningitis. She and her husband had relied on Christian Science practitioners to heal him.

“The poor child couldn’t lift an arm,” Swan said. “We prayed, we went to the practitioner. We trusted them.”

For members of faith-healing sects, it is common to believe that sickness is a result of unresolved sin or lack of faith, said Anthea Butler, a professor of religious studies at the University of Pennsylvania.

Faith-healing sects often interpret the Bible literally, citing, for example, Psalm 103: “Bless the Lord, O my soul … Who forgives all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases.”

First Century Gospel Church’s website reinforces that theme, citing the New Testament’s Book of Acts, “By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus' name, and the faith that comes through him that has completely healed him, as you can all see.”

Other religious groups believe that God can heal the sick, and many believers pray to be delivered from illness. The difference is that they, unlike the Schaibles, often seek medical attention in addition to prayer, Butler said.

First Assistant District Attorney Edward McCann says the Schaibles’ actions, not beliefs, are the problem.

“How many kids have to die before it becomes an extreme indifference to the value of human life?” McCann asked. “They killed one child already.”

If convicted of third-degree murder in Brandon’s death, the Schaibles could face a maximum sentence of 50 years in prison, Lerner said. They also face an additional 7 to 14 years if a judge decides to revoke their probation in Kent’s death.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Christian Science • Christianity • Crime • Culture & Science • Faith & Health

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  1. Richard Cranium

    During a flood, two people huddle together on their roof top and began to pray.
    A man in a rubber raft paddled over and offered to get them out, they refused saying the lord will help....they continued to pray.
    As the flood waters rose, a man in a larger motorized boat threw them a line, they threw it back saying the lord will save them.
    A rescue helicopter appeared just as the water level was about to take their house and them with it, they waved it off...the lord will save us.
    They drowned, and when they met god in heaven they asked. Lord why did you not save us?
    God replied...I tried...I sent you two boats and a helicopter.

    Even if you think that praying helps, don't you think that god may have given men medicines and doctors?
    How do you know if god didn't send them to you to help?

    This isn't even a religious debate, it is more an issue of mental illness.

    May 26, 2013 at 11:54 am |
    • science

      Richard Cranium.............the legal end.

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      Have a great life.

      Peace

      May 26, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
    • G to the T

      Amazing how the modern "miracles" of god are indistinguishable from chance...

      May 28, 2013 at 1:32 pm |
  2. Bostontola

    "Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer".

    Adapted to this story: One doctor can do more than a million hands clasped in prayer.

    May 26, 2013 at 11:49 am |
  3. Bostontola

    No, the best would have been if he lived and learned that there is a better way.

    May 26, 2013 at 11:45 am |
  4. Bostontola

    Blind Faith or Blind Science.

    Science is so far away from being able to explain our universe and religions have it all in the box. But I still choose science. Given all the religions have different beliefs, and most religions have sects, it is certain that if we started over, different religions would emerge, but we would develop pretty much the same science.

    May 26, 2013 at 11:18 am |
    • Science

      Hey B................the legal end .

      Search
      Learn About the Law
      Find a Lawyer
      FindLaw Answers
      Legal Forms
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      ...

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      CNN logo CNN 3 weeks ago
      When Christians become a 'hated minority'
      .
      Hey Buffy..............from Bing.

      When Christians become a 'hated minority'
      The point where religious speech becomes hate speech is difficult to define, though, scholars and activists say. The Southern Poverty Law Center in Alabama is a nonprofit civil rights group that combats and monitors hate groups. Three years ago, it... Full Article at CNN

      http://legalnews.findlaw.com/article/0bj7cdy2zIcqA?q=law+OR+lawsuit+OR+legal+OR+%28court+AND+law%29

      Have a great life.

      Peace

      May 26, 2013 at 12:47 pm | Thank you for your feedback. We will look into it. |

      May 26, 2013 at 12:59 pm |
  5. Over 40,000 sects of insanity

    The craziness of in some Christian belief seems to grow only crazier as time goes by. And when incidents like the subject of this article come to light, other Christians are only too ready to explain how another Christian's interpretation of ancient "scripture" is not quite right. Hands down, the most hypocritical people on the planet.

    One sect calls homosexuality an abomination while the next one (over 4,000,000 members) in the same denomination is already performing gay marriage.

    One sect, the Westboro Baptist Church believes Americans are being killed at war because America is too kind to "fags".

    One sect believes women to be subservient, while another sect in the same denomination promotes equality between the sexes.

    One sect believes that Jesus and Satan were brothers and that Christ will return to Jerusalem AND Jackson County, Missouri.

    Some believe the Pope is the Anti-Christ. Some believe Obama is the Anti-Christ.

    Some believe that celibacy is the only option for certain people, or for people in certain positions. Many of the people from these same institutions advocate against abortion, but pretend not to understand the realistic benefit of the morning after pill or even basic contraception; their unrealistic wishful thinking is causing the death of many at the hands of disease.

    In the U.S. recently we learned of the head of Lutheran CMS chastising a minister of that church for participating in a joint service for the victims of the Newtown school shooting.

    Conflicted right from the very beginning, Christianity continues to splinter and create more extreme divisions as time goes by, constantly subjecting others in its crossfire.

    Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.

    (Thomas Jefferson, from Notes on the State of Virginia, 1785)

    May 26, 2013 at 10:36 am |
    • Science

      Faith-Healing Churches Linked to 2 Dozen Child Deaths

      by Vince Lattanzio posted on May 25, 2013 02:45PM GMT

      http://www.richarddawkins.net/news_articles/2013/5/25/faith-healing-churches-linked-to-2-dozen-child-deaths#

      May 26, 2013 at 11:34 am |
  6. Kebos

    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” ~ Steven Weinberg

    May 26, 2013 at 9:12 am |
    • lionlylamb

      Kebos,

      With or without the people backing governmental partisans the evil they do no longer matters to public opinions nor the governmental partisans conscience!

      May 26, 2013 at 9:34 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      I admire your ability to increase the Kolmogorov complexity of the Universe, lionlylamb.

      May 26, 2013 at 10:09 am |
    • lamblylion

      With a poorly functioning brain, lionlylamb posts random word salad. Toss that salad, you idiot, and woof your cookies on your keyboard. We can mostly ignore your tripe.

      May 26, 2013 at 10:12 am |
    • faith

      it is wonderful 2 c u morons so depressed over god. perfect! and lovin it! makes the godly shout 4 joy!

      May 26, 2013 at 10:22 am |
    • Kebos

      LL – I wish you made ounce of sense. Unfortunately, you do not therefore I'll be ignoring any of your postings. By ignoring, I mean, not reading them. I only have a few minutes per day to read this blog and it need not be waster on your quackery.

      May 26, 2013 at 2:12 pm |
  7. saggyroy

    "First Century Gospel Church" – The name says it all.....

    May 26, 2013 at 8:06 am |
  8. Reality

    Only for the new members:

    Last time I checked, our judicial system casts many a stone to include execution when needed.

    And then there is this:

    John 8:7

    "When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."

    And from Professor Gerd Ludemann, in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 416,

    "Anyone looking for the historical Jesus will not find him in the Gospel of John. "

    See also http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/john.html

    May 26, 2013 at 7:46 am |
  9. required

    It's not just faith:

    2Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

    Yes, believe God, yes, work.

    May 26, 2013 at 7:31 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      You ar correct...it isn't just faith. It is also a lot of self-delusion, ignoring reality and accepting illogical and un-reasonable a$$ertions from the imaginations of barely civilized men.

      May 26, 2013 at 8:11 am |
    • lionlylamb

      Kind Richard Cranium,

      It sort of depends upon one's definition of "civilized" that dare establishes a line to be drawn in understanding the propensities of civility then doesn't it?

      May 26, 2013 at 9:42 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Barely civilized meaning at the beginning of known recorded civilizations, not a judgement on the civilization itself.

      May 26, 2013 at 10:11 am |
    • lionlylamb

      Richard Cranium

      😕

      May 26, 2013 at 11:42 am |
    • Therefore I say unto you, be not anxious for your life

      Therefore I say unto you, be not anxious for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than the food, and the body than the raiment?
      Behold the birds of the heaven, that they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; and your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are not ye of much more value then they?
      Matthew 6:25-26

      May 26, 2013 at 2:21 pm |
  10. Understanding

    God loved those children but He let them suffer and die because the parents were following His word, strange. Love the God and hate the parents or just hate the whole delusion. Probably why more and more educated people do not want to have anything to do with any god.

    May 26, 2013 at 6:55 am |
    • Counter viewpoint

      Do you want to have your own thoughts policed because of the Shciable's actions? How much of your privacy or independence are you willing to let go because of someone else's behavior?

      May 26, 2013 at 7:12 am |
    • lionlylamb

      Understanding,

      Oh for the love of reprobate minds! Does one not see that this world is fast becoming a world of whoredom ways? Why should the deaths of millions of aborted children be lined up with the deaths of just the few who died a Natural Death?

      May 26, 2013 at 9:55 am |
    • midwest rail

      It is not natural for a parent to withhold medical treatment from a child who does not have the ability to seek it independently. Excusing their behavior is abhorrent, as is your vanity writing.

      May 26, 2013 at 9:58 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      LL: This was not natural in any way. This is something that the child could have been cured of and yet due to neglect on the adults part he died. These people do not deserve to be called parents, they don't deserve freedom and they don't deserve to ever be around another child again. Comparing this to abortion is the stupidest argument ever...there is no comparison-one is legal (abortion...a fetus can't survive outside the womb much before 20-24 weeks gestation...an abortion typically can't be had past 12 weeks unless there are extenuating circumstances-ie; the Mother's life is at risk); the other is simply murder due to neglect.

      May 26, 2013 at 10:11 am |
    • lionlylamb

      Counter viewpoint,

      Policed actions regarding our "private" or "independent" humanisms seems nowadays a normality of living one's Life. The world has reduced the human equations to being but a fatherly and motherly paradigm:~ all the while children are being educated into understandings of emotionalisms degradations without any sensation of spirituality guiding their consciences. Ergo, much of this nation's children are being raised and educated by Godlessness instead of being reared up consciously aware of there being a God whose godly sons live upon our bodies inside realms. For our bodies are godly mechanical buildings made flesh and alive with spiritualized emotions of soulfulness!

      May 26, 2013 at 10:18 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Actually, you, and the rest of us too, are not spiritual or "soulful" beings if what you mean by that is that there is anything about you that does not come directly from the material world and depend on it entirely.

      May 26, 2013 at 10:25 am |
    • lionlylamb

      midwest rail,

      You just can't have it both ways! Sicknesses are naturally occurring therefore it is nature's way of thinning the herd. To say it is Natural to see a physician is a catch 22 and goes beyond nature's ways which by the way, all other species do deal with sicknesses and are thinned out quite naturally to say it mildly.

      May 26, 2013 at 10:27 am |
    • midwest rail

      You're an idiot. These people took on the responsibility of caring for their children. Now they, and their pastor, are using the excuse of religious freedom to shelter themselves from repercussion for shirking those responsibilities. That you, or anyone, seeks to abet them, is abhorrent. Dressing it up in cutesy, nonsensical verbiage does not make it OK. You are as disgusting as they are.

      May 26, 2013 at 10:32 am |
    • lionlylamb

      Truth Prevails :mrgreen:

      You just can't have it both ways! Sicknesses are naturally occurring therefore it is nature's way of thinning the herd. To say it is Natural to see a physician is a catch 22 and goes beyond nature's ways which by the way, all other species do deal with sicknesses and are thinned out quite naturally to say it mildly. Either we see things NATURALLY or we see things in matters of SPIRITUALITIES! Which then will it be?

      May 26, 2013 at 10:36 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      LL: There is no EXCUSE for a child to die from something like this any more, naturally occurring or not. We've seen polio and numerous other diseases almost eradicated due to medical science. Now if you don't wish to get medical help for yourself as an adult, that is one thing but to deny an innocent child that right is wrong. I would think if they cared at all and loved their child above all else they would have gotten him help instead of watching him suffer but these people didn't care. If you put belief before the life of your child, you should not have the child in your care.

      May 26, 2013 at 10:37 am |
    • Really-O?

      @lionlylamb – "Either we see things NATURALLY or we see things in matters of SPIRITUALITIES!"

      That is what is properly called a false dilemma.

      The Schaible's actions, if accurately reported in the article, are tantamount to involuntary manslaughter, regardless of whether there motivations were "natural" or "spiritual".

      May 26, 2013 at 10:43 am |
    • lionlylamb

      midwest rail 👿

      So then, Being a person who holds to the Natural when it comes to sexual preferences but then stammers all about just because of some children dying a Natural death is quite pervasive and highly illogical if one dare stands upon Darwin's Natural Selestion 😥

      May 26, 2013 at 10:45 am |
    • lionlylamb

      Natural Selection (My bad!)

      May 26, 2013 at 10:49 am |
    • midwest rail

      You're still an idiot. There is nothing natural about the death of either of these children. There was no Darwinian process involved. Your cutesy rhetoric is just an abhorrent excuse for you to post things so that YOU can read, and re-read them. You remain as abhorrent as the Schaibles.

      May 26, 2013 at 10:49 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      LL: You're a moron to the greatest extent. These children could have lived if not for the ignorance and neglect of the adults and the pastor involved. Natural Selection has absolutely nothing to do with this. Would you let your own child die of something curable??? Do you seek medical attention for stuff like this???
      The parents were ordered by a judge as part of the conditions of their probation that they MUST seek medical attention for their children; they disobeyed; they now face the consequences of their actions...they are not worthy of EVER being around another child again. See in the grand scheme of it the only laws that pertain to these two losers is the law of the land...they should never have been given a second chance. This is what they get for being ignorant and thinking their imaginary friend is above the laws set out...hope they enjoy their 6 x 6 rooms, they earned them!

      May 26, 2013 at 11:03 am |
    • lionlylamb

      Really-O?, :xP:

      Where than were the authorities when a naturally occurring manifestation of the children's sickness became known? I'm really angered at reprobate minds which instill the naturalness issues of variable sexual preferences standing upon the grounds of such sexualisms being but a natured reality and their knowing full well the spiritual ambiences regarding the sacredness in the sanctities of holy matrimonies!

      May 26, 2013 at 11:04 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      LL: What part of this was curable are you not getting??? There is no damn reason this child should have died!!! You are beyond ignorant. Please take your own advice and DON'T seek medical attention the next time or any time thereafter that you get ill. You are no better than the people who allowed this to happen....do you feel good knowing you support the wrongful death of two innocent children?? You should feel like crap over this and you deserve to feel like that. You're simply not worthy of any more time from anyone...you're obviously too stupid to understand what really happened here.

      May 26, 2013 at 11:12 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      TP
      lionlylamb is nothing but a gaot hereder. She is trying to get your goat. It is nothing but a pointless troll, who likes to post meaningless strings of incoherent words, and even though they are English words, the sentances become nonsense as English grammar and syntax are not observed. It is pointless to attempt to debate someone who is not in it for the debate.

      May 26, 2013 at 11:18 am |
    • lionlylamb

      midwest rail wrote me stating, "You're still an idiot. There is nothing natural about the death of either of these children."

      Nothing natural? Are not human sicknesses a naturally occurring enigma?

      What about the unholy abortions occurring daily? Are they just social enigmas of naturally occurring phenomenon or are abortions just a quick fix for the immorally bankrupt reprobate minds?

      May 26, 2013 at 11:18 am |
    • mama k

      "Where than were the authorities"?

      "then" perhaps?

      Absolute rubbish and delusion is still all this fool can manage. Be angry all you want, LL – see where it gets you. You may be able to express your discontent here with others, many of whom might very well be close to your age, but also take comfort knowing that your words are already falling on deaf ears in the upcoming generations. They are much less willing to entertain such BS. Take comfort that you did nothing for yourself to prepare for that, but only to fade to dust.

      May 26, 2013 at 11:19 am |
    • midwest rail

      False equivalency. You're still a self-absorbed, abhorrent idiot.

      May 26, 2013 at 11:20 am |
    • lionlylamb

      Richard Cranium,

      I know Richard's style and you dear soul are not him! You have written too many god damned misspellings unlike the REAL Richard Cranium! What a troll you are and a name stealer at that!

      May 26, 2013 at 11:24 am |
    • lionlylamb

      mama k,

      Angry? Me? I am not the least bit angry as you dare incite me to be! All the upcoming generations will have this land's fathered indebtedness to contend with and I am pretty damned sure the upcoming generations won't solve this land's fatherly debts! WWIII maybe to alleviate governmental debts? I could give a rat's ass what this whoredom world does in the future!

      May 26, 2013 at 11:36 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Incorrect LL
      It is me...the real deal....I spilled a drink in my keyboard earlier and have one from the broken pile, so it doesn't work as well as the old, and I have been busy and not as diligent on proof reading.
      Good morning.

      May 26, 2013 at 11:38 am |
    • The real Tom

      More drivel from the loopy limp one.

      Withholding care from children is criminal. It is as criminal as starving them to death because they can't feed themselves. You are a fcktard.

      May 26, 2013 at 11:42 am |
    • Really-O?

      @lionlylamb – regarding your May 26, 2013 at 11:04 am reply.

      What the hell is with the gibberish...seriously. How about stating your position in a clear, concise manner so members of the forum can respond in a clear, concise manner.

      May 26, 2013 at 11:49 am |
    • tallulah13

      LL has shown time and time again that he is a nasty piece of work hiding behind a vocabulary that he does not know how to use. That he calls this a "natural" death only shows how little he cares about anyone but himself.

      These parents chose to have this child, They accepted responsibility for his life, but when he needed them the most, they chose to follow a practice that had already lead to the death of one child. This infant suffered and his parents watched, and even violated a court order to take him to a doctor. They killed this child as surely as if they had shot him. Actually, a bullet would have been quicker and kinder, but some christians seem to really like the thought of someone else suffering and dying for their sins.

      May 26, 2013 at 11:57 am |
    • mama k

      LL: "I'm really angered at . . "
      LL: "Angry? Me? I am not the least bit angry"

      lol – well either you're fooling yourself, or as RC indicated, you're just trying to get someone's goat. I suppose you should just be grateful that you found a little engagement today. I take comfort knowing you'll soon be back in your word salad cafeteria where your posts will be viewed momentarily has an oddity and then quickly ignored.

      May 26, 2013 at 11:57 am |
    • Really-O?

      @lionlylamb –

      Please disregard my request for clear, concise communication; after reading the following from you post to mama k, I feel safe in concluding interaction with you is unlikely to be fruitful.

      lionlylamb: "I could give a rat's ass what this whoredom world does in the future!

      May 26, 2013 at 11:58 am |
    • The real Tom

      LL is drunk, stoned, or both. He lies about sobriety-he's bombed out of his stupid skull.

      He thinks abortion is wrong but that it's perfectly fine for parents to withhold food and medicine from children and allow them to die.

      What an ass.

      May 26, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • mama k

      ( as an oddity )

      May 26, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
    • The real Tom

      I wonder, Loopy, do you think ALL medical care is "unnatural" and should be banned? Maybe we should start with you. No psychotropic drugs for you. Just allow you to live in your own cardboard box and beg for pennies.

      That's where you and your little brother would be if not for medicine, isn't it? That's why you disappeared for months, isn't it? Because you were in the hospital again for your mental illness.

      May 26, 2013 at 12:06 pm |
    • The real Tom

      "world of whoredom ways"

      Define this term, you nimrod. You use it frequently and it's completely meaningless. But then, so is everything else you write.

      May 26, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
    • If you put belief before the life of your child, you should not have the child in your care.

      T.P.
      "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
      –(Luke 14:26)

      May 26, 2013 at 2:31 pm |
  11. Rachel

    Hi, good morning, I thought I would sneak in early before Chad wakes up. You all know from the constant postings of Chad trying to prove the god of Israel is real that he spends most of his free time on Christian apologetics sites. It is a strange fixation but does keep him from doing harm to others; of course that is why his family keeps him at a distance. When it comes to practical religion as in the above story Chad's house of falsehoods falls apart. God lets fools be fools, I would pray that Chad could stop but what should I pray too?

    May 26, 2013 at 6:40 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Pray to Chad's God. It may have some influence over him.

      May 26, 2013 at 10:13 am |
  12. Tough baby

    When the cervix is open wide enough, he will put a hollow plastic tube, with a knife-like edge on its tip, through your cervix up into your uterus. The suction it creates is 29 times more powerful than a vacuum cleaner. It tears the baby’s body into pieces, and sucks it through the tube into a canister. The knife edge is used to cut the deeply rooted placenta from the uterine wall.

    It's like a war zone in there, get the baby before it gets you.

    May 26, 2013 at 2:49 am |
    • tornado in the womb

      A tornado with an EF29 (End Fetus 29) vacuum in the womb.

      May 26, 2013 at 3:07 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      They do the same thing to appendix, gall bladder, and anything else that needs to be removed.
      It's a war zone everywhere. There is nothing to feel pain when done according to the law. There is no baby, just a clump of stuff that has nothing to feel with. You have been watching too much gross stuff and it has damaged your brain.

      May 26, 2013 at 3:29 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      That is a baby. Even if you want to compare it to those things you gave as an example, those things can not be birthed and one day become the next Christopher Hitchens 🙂

      May 26, 2013 at 4:13 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      @MMR
      So you would be more than happy to see every serial killer have as many victims as they want, eh?

      You would let that murdering couple have more kids to kill. You would let children grow up in cages. You are an idiot.

      May 26, 2013 at 4:31 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      So you would be more than happy to see every serial killer have as many victims as they want, eh?

      Umm....ok, it is late into the night...explain that one jimmy.

      You would let that murdering couple have more kids to kill. You would let children grow up in cages. You are an idiot.</em.

      Wow dude, name calling on a blog does not win a argument. For abortions, I see where you are trying to head but let us face the question if someone such as the president had of be conceived post roe vs wade. When you throw up extreme worst case scenarios as your best argument then you are falling short on Reason.

      We have children born to parents every year who want and love them one day and then murder them in their sleep the next. So far we do not know who will be a murderous parent one day or not. We just know that some people become parents and it changes their lives for the better. They get into shape, find better and more stable live. Some have even pledged their last drink of alcohol the day their children were born.

      In your possible outcomes, should we also give weight many of the noted to the positive scenario as well as your "children grow up in cages"scenario?

      May 26, 2013 at 4:52 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      @MMR
      So you admit it.
      Good. I'll remember that you don't care about chidren and they can all rot in hell as far as you're concerned.
      Thanks for showing your true colors, Mark.

      May 26, 2013 at 5:12 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Jimmy G, I'm sort of with MMR – you seem to be passionate about abortion, but what are you trying to say?

      May 26, 2013 at 6:34 am |
  13. The real Tom

    Isn't it just like the Vegetable to dodge the questions he's been asked by attempting to indict those who challenge him? How weak must Chard's belief be if it can't withstand simple queries?

    May 25, 2013 at 11:59 pm |
  14. The real Tom

    This is priceless! Chard is now attempting to dissect me by asking personal questions!

    What a gob.

    May 25, 2013 at 11:51 pm |
  15. Observer

    These parents are guilty of murder. It is their responsibility as parents to keep their child safe and healthy. Abandoning their responsibility and leaving everything in God's hands ended in death for the child.

    May 25, 2013 at 10:53 pm |
    • Austin

      ok from a biblical perspective we know that medicines are good. but we as God's people should not rely on a secular system for strength. let us return to our tents and move about.

      May 25, 2013 at 11:14 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Your tent doesn't exist.

      May 25, 2013 at 11:17 pm |
    • Austin

      your idols exist as literal mental vacuums. idolatrous spiritual black holes. tunnels to black.

      May 25, 2013 at 11:23 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Austin, is that LL?

      May 25, 2013 at 11:25 pm |
    • Austin

      There is only one way. There is one spiritual light. There is one true glory, one eternal life in Him.

      May 25, 2013 at 11:25 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Not for the Schaible kids.

      May 25, 2013 at 11:26 pm |
    • Austin

      I have experienced the revealing supernatural spirit. I went through a time where I was led in my dreams of visions about scripture i was going to read the next day. The Holy Spirit is a sanctifying spirit that bears the truth of God's word on a person's heart.

      ohn 15:26-27
      New International Version (NIV)
      The Work of the Holy Spirit

      26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.

      May 25, 2013 at 11:27 pm |
    • Observer

      Austin,

      Thanks for your OPINION. That opinion failed miserably for the child.

      May 25, 2013 at 11:28 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Austin isn't adult enough to understand the precious nature of a child. He's still one himself. Blind as a bat, too.

      May 25, 2013 at 11:30 pm |
    • Austin

      i would never do what they did, im thankful mom took me to the doctor to get shots, but we should not need shots. and you should not be charged for living free from potions.

      May 25, 2013 at 11:33 pm |
    • Heretic

      They are murderers trying to hide behind their bible. We have muslims hacking people in england and children getting murdered by their idiot christian parents here. Tell me again how religion should not be abolished.

      May 25, 2013 at 11:36 pm |
    • The real Tom

      That's not why your mom took you to the doctor so often, Austintatious. She was looking for help and answers.

      May 25, 2013 at 11:36 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      I guess "living" is the important word there, Austin.

      May 25, 2013 at 11:36 pm |
    • Austin

      heretic, one reason is that you should not stand against the light of truth, which is the resurrection, and hate the God Man whom you do not know. Mans reputation you seem hopelessly indulged in.

      May 25, 2013 at 11:40 pm |
    • Observer

      Austin,

      "we should not need shots"

      Take that up with God who created all of the diseases we have.

      May 25, 2013 at 11:40 pm |
    • Heretic

      Austin, its almost like you support the murder of children.

      May 26, 2013 at 12:22 am |
    • The real Tom

      Not Austin. It's the Limp Lion, faking Austin's writing, and badly.

      May 26, 2013 at 12:30 am |
    • lionlylamb

      Tommie,

      I have never used anyone's name to post here! That's why I made my name blue because others would post in my name! 🙄

      May 26, 2013 at 1:02 am |
    • faith

      they should feed them aborted babies. excellent protein, vitamins, minerals, fiber, bone (i mean calcium) i'll put dodo in charge of that

      May 26, 2013 at 2:36 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      aborting a fetus = not murder, not a person, nothing to feel with, just a bit of growth tissue that only has the potential
      to become a person who will develop according to many factors according to medical science.

      aborting a baby = murder, has ability to feel, is considered a person under the law and according to medical science despite not yet being born.

      Conclusion = babies are protected from abortion.

      protip: Shut the fuck up already about shit you can't quite seem to understand, because you suck at it.

      May 26, 2013 at 3:37 am |
    • Topher

      Austin, is that me?

      May 26, 2013 at 10:16 am |
  16. Mohammad

    :Mohammad:

    May 25, 2013 at 8:25 pm |
    • Jimmy G.

      en.support.wordpress.com/smilies

      May 26, 2013 at 3:47 am |
  17. Mohammad

    :troll:

    May 25, 2013 at 8:23 pm |
  18. JS

    Let's see-CNN covers this story like a wet blanket....and avoids reporting on the many Dr. Gosnell child murders. How do you spell H Y P O C R I S Y

    May 25, 2013 at 7:40 pm |
    • Jen

      It's spelled like this: C H R I S T I A N

      May 25, 2013 at 7:53 pm |
    • Paul

      Good one, Jen. I was going to say that "hypocrisy" is spelled E V A N G E L I S T!

      May 25, 2013 at 7:55 pm |
    • The real Tom

      No, no. I believe that "hypocrisy" is spelled C H A D.

      May 25, 2013 at 10:40 pm |
  19. Mohammad

    👿

    May 25, 2013 at 6:52 pm |
  20. the AnViL™

    those who believe in imaginary men in the sky should be prohibited from reproducing or having contact with children under the age of 18.

    tolerance of religious idiocy has to end.. enough is enough.

    May 25, 2013 at 6:25 pm |
    • That will never happen

      One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and brainwashing for all.

      May 25, 2013 at 6:40 pm |
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