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In Oklahoma, a balm after the storm
Volunteers unload donations for tornado victims at the First Baptist Church on May 23, 2013 in Moore, Oklahoma.
May 25th, 2013
06:05 PM ET

In Oklahoma, a balm after the storm

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN) - For six days, First Baptist Church in Moore, Oklahoma, provided food and shelter to victims of Monday’s deadly tornado. On the seventh day, the church offers another scarce resource: solace.

“Simply put, we are urging people to draw near to the Lord and near to each other,” said Kevin Clarkson, the church’s senior pastor. “As bad as this time is, we find that God will give us comfort and solace and hope for the future.”

Four of the nine children who died in Monday’s tornado had ties to First Baptist. On Sunday evening, the church will host a prayer service called “Oklahoma Strong: Coming Together in Faith,” which Gov. Mary Fallin is expected to attend.

In all, 24 people perished as a result of Monday’s tornado. Nearly 400 suffered broken bones and bruises, and 1,200 homes in Moore and Oklahoma City were damaged or destroyed, according to state officials. The twister’s tenacity took even Tornado Alley by surprise.

But as cleanup begins, imams, pastors and rabbis in the deeply religious Sooner State are encouraging believers to draw on the deep wells of their traditions for spiritual sustenance. The common message across the faiths seems to be: God’s voice was not in Monday’s whirlwind but rather in the steady, quiet aftermath of neighbor helping neighbor.

“What happens may be random, but how we respond to it is not,” said Rabbi Vered L. Harris of Temple B’nai Israel in Oklahoma City. “Making our responses holy begins with noticing the potential for sanctity.”

One block, two tornadoes: Life in the crosshairs

At Shabbat services on Friday night, Harris read a prayer asking God for the wisdom “to know how we can help” and “the calm to bring comfort.”

Like Harris, Abdur-Rahman Taleb, the director of youth services at the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City, focused on the human response to Monday’s tornado.

“I find it amazing how people will come together across their differences for a common goal,” Taleb said. “The amount of people who came forward from the different faith communities to help those in need, regardless of their beliefs, is extraordinary.”

Taleb said his sermon on Friday focused on the Quran’s second chapter, which tells Muslims that God tests the faithful with “fear and hunger and loss of property.”

Passing that test entails remaining patient amid calamity, the Quran says.

“We want to be mindful of God day in and day out, whether we’re going through good times or bad,” Taleb said.

At Journey Church, an evangelical megachurch about 10 miles from Moore, Sunday’s message is about rebuilding, said Pastor Sam Wampler.

The congregation will look to Nehemiah, who restored the walls of Jerusalem, for inspiration, said the pastor.

“We are far enough in now where the grieving, the anger, is kicking in,” Wampler said. “People need that hope.”

Photos: Pets rescued after Oklahoma tornado

Pastor Bobby Gruenewald of LifeChurch.tv, which has 11 branches in Oklahoma, said his message on Sunday will focus on two key questions: Where is God during tragedies? And what can Christians do to help?

“It's been a tough week but also an encouraging one as we've seen a tremendous response from the faith community,” Gruenewald said. “Churches from just about every denomination we can think of are coming forward with offers to help.”

A garden statue of the Virgin Mary stands in front of a window shattered by the tornado in Moore, Oklahoma.

Some of the tornado’s first-responders have been turning to the Rev. Thomas Boyer, the longtime pastor at St. Mark the Evangelist Catholic Church in nearby Norman, Oklahoma.

“It will be tough on them now,” said the 72-year-old priest, “and it will be tough on them later.”

Boyer said he’s still searching for the right words to say in response.

“Normally my homily is done on Thursday and posted on the website, but it's not even done," the priest said on Friday afternoon, as day darkened into night.

Boyer will have some help: the Archdiocese of Oklahoma City adjusted the prayers and petitions for Sunday Mass to address the area's tribulations.

But sometimes there is nothing to say other than “look to the Lord,” said Clarkson, who has already presided at the funerals of three young tornado victims.

Perhaps that’s why Jared Bowie’s photo of a dark tornado twisting toward a cross has gone viral.

Bowie, an intern at LifeChurch.tv’s campus in Edmond, Oklahoma, said his image has graced thousands of blog posts, media reports, Facebook pages and Instagram accounts since he posted it to CNN’s iReport. One woman even printed out the image and hung it next to her wedding photo, Bowie said.

The picture was taken on May 19, when another tornado, a less destructive forebear of Monday’s deadly whirlwind, churned through Oklahoma. Nonetheless, the image has become inextricably tied to Moore’s loss of lives and homes, and the ultimate source of salvation for Bowie and other Christians.

“People are going through severe suffering right now,” Bowie said. “But in those times, our Savior can provide so much hope. There is light in the darkness.”

Eric Marrapodi, Dan Merica and Jessica Ravitz contributed to this report.

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Belief • Church • United States

soundoff (1,053 Responses)
  1. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    May 27, 2013 at 11:31 am |
    • snopes says

      "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things" is false.

      May 27, 2013 at 11:35 am |
    • as always

      snopes is wrong

      May 27, 2013 at 11:45 am |
    • snopes says

      "as always" is false

      May 27, 2013 at 11:47 am |
    • apparently

      snopes is an unoriginal ass hole

      May 27, 2013 at 11:49 am |
    • faith

      amen bro

      our nazi god-hating preeverts r sick pups

      got 2 love em

      seen science guy?

      she's here 24/7 and thinks we read her nonsense

      love u b nye

      May 27, 2013 at 11:57 am |
    • snopes says

      "apparently", "as always" and "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things" are false
      "apparently", "as always" and "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things" are repeatedly unoriginal

      May 27, 2013 at 11:58 am |
    • ummm

      i don't think so it appears snopes is a loser

      May 27, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
    • in reality

      snopes would require a lot of training to be elevated to loser

      May 27, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
    • Prayer troll

      is nothing more than a troll

      May 27, 2013 at 12:28 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      It didn't do much good for Kent and Brandon.

      May 27, 2013 at 12:45 pm |
  2. Over 40,000 sects of insanity

    Recently we learned from CNN Belief Blog article of a child dying when their parents, members of a Christian sect in Philadelphia, as part of their faith, refused medical care for the child. When incidents like the subject of this article come to light, many Christians are only too ready to try explain how another Christian's interpretation of ancient "scripture" is not quite right.

    One sect calls homosexuality an abomination while the next one (over 4,000,000 members) in the same denomination is already performing gay marriage. One sect, the Westboro Baptist Church believes Americans are being killed at war because America is too kind to "fags". Many of these sects are equally divergent on the roles of women in society.

    One sect believes that Jesus and Satan were brothers and that Christ will return to Jerusalem AND Jackson County, Missouri. Some believe the Pope is the Antichrist. Some believe Obama is the Antichrist.

    Some believe that celibacy is the only option for certain people, or for people in certain positions. Many of the people from these same institutions advocate against abortion, but pretend not to understand the realistic benefit of the morning after pill or even basic contraception; their unrealistic wishful thinking is causing the death of many at the hands of disease.

    Conflicted right from the start, Christianity continues to splinter, creating more and more extreme divisions, with each division trying to assert itself as some true messenger of the word of the Christian God.

    Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.

    (Thomas Jefferson, from Notes on the State of Virginia, 1785)

    May 27, 2013 at 11:23 am |
    • Science

      GOOD NEWS...............faith the peachy one......chad too.......you know all creationists too......... story = truth !

      http://www.ibtimes.com/atheists-fight-gideon-bibles-books-christopher-hitchens-richard-dawkins-georgia-state-parks-
      1271125

      Science books and education TRUMPS the 666 beast and the red horn-y devil !

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/05/when-christians-become-a-hated-minority/

      Have a great life and Memorial day.

      Peace

      PS...........by the way there has NEVER been a red horn-y devil.

      May 27, 2013 at 11:31 am |
    • .

      atheism is the motivator behind brutality torture and murder throughout human history atheists have brutally tortured more innocent people in the last 100 years than were killed in all previous centuries

      May 27, 2013 at 11:33 am |
    • Science

      Hey dot the space cadet

      Education = the motivator for the truth.

      So you know.

      May 27, 2013 at 11:40 am |
  3. The real Tom

    Austin the Imbecile thinks that running over a squirrel is murder.

    What a muttonhead.

    May 27, 2013 at 11:13 am |
    • Science

      The real Tom

      Agree

      May 27, 2013 at 11:21 am |
    • Austin

      i said that if you refuse to hit your breaks and wilfully run it over. say a teenager who does it on purpose. this is breaking a moral code. i get it that in a court murder is not applied to animals only humans. words are used to communicate.

      May 27, 2013 at 11:31 am |
    • Austin

      we were talking about "murder" and the case of the infant that died of natural causes. it was a play on the word murder. it was supposed to stimulate understanding.

      May 27, 2013 at 11:32 am |
    • The real Tom

      I repeat: what a muttonhead.

      It isn't "murder", moron. You weren't trying to illustrate something–you just fvcked up. Again. As for those parents, they committed a crime. They withheld medical attention from a helpless kid. That's criminal, you idiot. It is just as much a crime as allowing someone to bleed to death after a car accident because you don't believe in blood transfusions.

      You are too dumb to be believed, Austin. Just too stupid. That's why nothing you have to say about anything would convince me or anyone else of sound mind.

      May 27, 2013 at 1:00 pm |
  4. Sammy

    “What happens may be random, but how we respond to it is not,” said Rabbi Vered L. Harris of Temple B’nai Israel in Oklahoma City.

    The Hebrew Scriptures don't see tornadoes, which it calls "whirlwinds", as random. Quite the opposite; they are God's Judgment against the wicked.

    3. Psalm 77:18
    Your (God's) thunder was heard in the whirlwind, your lightning lit up the world; the earth trembled and quaked.

    7. Isaiah 40:24
    No sooner are they planted, no sooner are they sown, no sooner do they take root in the ground, than he blows on them and they wither, and a whirlwind sweeps them away like chaff.

    10. Jeremiah 23:19
    See, the storm of the LORD will burst out in wrath, a whirlwind swirling down on the heads of the wicked.

    11. Hosea 4:19
    A whirlwind will sweep them away, and their sacrifices will bring them shame.

    12. Hosea 8:1
    [ Israel to Reap the Whirlwind ] "Put the trumpet to your lips! An eagle is over the house of the LORD because the people have broken my covenant and rebelled against my law.

    13. Hosea 8:7
    "They sow the wind and reap the whirlwind. The stalk has no head; it will produce no flour. Were it to yield grain, foreigners would swallow it up.

    14. Nahum 1:3
    The LORD is slow to anger and great in power; the LORD will not leave the guilty unpunished. His way is in the whirlwind and the storm, and clouds are the dust of his feet.

    15. Zechariah 7:14
    'I scattered them with a whirlwind among all the nations, where they were strangers. The land was left so desolate behind them that no one could come or go. This is how they made the pleasant land desolate.' "

    May 27, 2013 at 10:00 am |
    • Austin

      Enoch and Elijah were take up in whirlwinds. they both never died. Just had their tents changed.

      May 27, 2013 at 10:05 am |
    • Bostontola

      Even with my puny human intellect, I can see that creating life only to kill and punish most of it is severely lacking in omniscience.

      May 27, 2013 at 10:07 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Thats's nothing. In the story of Naoh's Ark, god flooded the world, to cover the highest mountain. That would be Mt. Everest at currently just over 29,000 feet above sea level.

      Let's do the math. 29,000 feet is 348,000 inches, cover in 40 days and nights, which is 960 hours. That's 362.5 inches of rain an hour or just over 6 inches a MINUTE for 40 days straight, in all areas of the world simultaneously. That's some wrath you've got there.

      May 27, 2013 at 10:10 am |
    • Sammy

      Austin
      Unfortunately, we're not talking about that kind of whirlwind, are we? As far as anyone knows for sure, people being caught up in tornadoes and gently being rested in places like Oz and Heaven, are just stories.

      May 27, 2013 at 10:14 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Sammy
      There are many recorded instances of people, even babies being picked up by tornadoes and set back down, unharmed....physics is an amazing thing.

      May 27, 2013 at 10:18 am |
    • Austin

      no you have no clue what the fallen angels and the sin of man in the day of noah were like. Human life was defiled. the rediculous decision one makes is to second guess God as the almighty counselor, he knows what is best. and it is in his personality to "regret that He had made man," as mans thoughts had become only evil continually. second guessing God and acting like you are one to judge His commands and ways is the ultimate spiritual deviance and arrogance. This is satanic pride.

      May 27, 2013 at 10:19 am |
    • Sammy

      Richard Cranium
      There are also stories of people being tipped over by gentle breezes off of rooftops and cliffs, to their death. For every "miracle" there is an equal and opposite case of unlikely "stupid" ways to die. It's just the Law of Averages: some people survive accidents that would kill most people and others die from things that usually wouldn't.

      May 27, 2013 at 10:28 am |
    • Austin

      I have experienced the revealing truth bearing work of the Holy spirit. This ministry is real. what does a physics class have to do with this more important truth of God's living supernatural presence?

      May 27, 2013 at 10:32 am |
    • The real Tom

      "it is in his personality"

      What special kind of stupid does it take to imagine that a god has a "personality", much less that one exists?

      May 27, 2013 at 10:34 am |
    • The real Tom

      The difference, Austin, is that you can make up whatever nonsense you want about a being for which no evidence exists. You can't make up sh!t about physics.

      The other difference is that you can pretend you know a god. No one is going to believe you know anything about physics.

      May 27, 2013 at 10:36 am |
    • Science

      GOOD NEWS.......Austin

      http://www.ibtimes.com/atheists-fight-gideon-bibles-books-christopher-hitchens-richard-dawkins-georgia-state-parks-
      1271125

      http://boostnation.boostup.org/

      Science books and education TRUMPS the 666 beast and the red horn-y devil !

      Have a great life and Memorial day !

      May 27, 2013 at 10:38 am |
    • Austin

      because it is hard to understand how God does something He regrets,and this expression has everything to do with the extreme depravity that settled in mans heart and hijacked the communion and relationship that was the whole intention, and glory of God. Sin and deceit, wicked rejection of God, unholy living , has become a spiritual plague. Thank God, that He chose Noah and wiped out the earth, allowing remnant to rekindle and survive for the sake of truth, and God's will. and let us thank the Lord Jesus for laying down His life as atonement and HANDING YOU eternal life, that you might not reject this act of love for the sake of grasping evil wayward society. You have a chance to spiritually thrive with your maker.

      by Grace, today you have been given the truth.

      May 27, 2013 at 10:41 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Sammy...quite true, but imagine back in the day these fables came from, you witnessed two of your friends picked up by a violent wind, then put back down unharmed some distance from where they started. You would be amazed and because of your ignorance of physics, attribute it to the will of gods.
      It is the ignorance that spawns beliefs in gods, so you can see where some of these stories come from.
      It is true that the human body is surprisingly fragile and yet at the same time surprisingly resiliant. Some people have died from falling a few inches, or tripping and falling, while others go skydiving and their chutes don't open, yet they live. It is the difference being attributed to some diety that has me baffled...some see a cause and effect relationship, where none can truly be found.

      May 27, 2013 at 10:45 am |
    • Science

      And IT is NOT you Austin and that includes Chad !

      May 27, 2013 at 10:46 am |
    • Vic

      God, His Wisdom & everything are above and beyond our best comprehensions combined! God is Omniscient, Omnipotent, etc. God is complex and sophisticated that He made everything that we take for granted!

      This Creation & Life in it are prime examples of His Omnipotence. We CAN NOT possibly know everything about God, His Wisdom, Work & Plans!

      May 27, 2013 at 10:47 am |
    • Austin

      science, I like you bro. and i am begging you to stop playing with fire. if you had any clue how much the devil is using you taunting the existence of satan through the name of science. What an evil act. You are dead wrong.

      listen to me science, I have experienced the revealing truth bearing Holy Spirit, and the ministry of the resurrection and Lamb of God. I have more knowledge than a science experiment can give you. I testify, and I would repeat this in the supreme court, that I have experienced the supernatural revealing spirit through the word of God. This was in full power and spiritual might done only through supernatural power.

      you choose to call me a loon, simply because your heart is at enmity with God. You take my testimony and reject it to serve a deeper selfishness and ambition. independence, god status. But you are not God. and God does love you brother.

      There is nothing you can do to exclude yourself. its not too late. Look to the Holy Spirit for miraculous answers. that are personal to you.

      May 27, 2013 at 10:48 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Sammy...here is a prime example of not understanding a cause and effect relationship...Austin.
      He keeps proclaiming his BELIEF, when he has no evidence whatsoever for the belief. He proclaims it as truth, but when pressed cannot show evidence of any divinity at play at all, yet he remains stalwart to the belief.
      In his case, he has an addictive personality disorder so he will throw himself whole heartedly into the belief, disregarding any evidence or lack thereof.
      Classic case, and having work with many addicts, I see it all of the time.

      May 27, 2013 at 10:49 am |
    • Vic

      One of the BIGGEST MISTAKES the Scientific Community has ever made is the relegation of Metaphysics! Now Science is stuck with major/core unanswerable questions!

      May 27, 2013 at 10:57 am |
    • Sscience

      You know faith/chad.....and Austin/Vic...........story here = truth there is NO red horn-y devil never has been one !

      May 27, 2013 at 11:03 am |
    • Dan

      "One of the BIGGEST MISTAKES the Scientific Community has ever made is the relegation of Metaphysics!"

      Which just goes to show how little you know. You cannot study Metaphysics with the scientific method as they are "techniques used for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge. To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning." whereas Metaphysics is a traditional branch of philosophy concerned with explaining the fundamental nature of being and the world, and attempts to answer two basic questions in the broadest possible terms: "What is there? What is it like?" which is inherently opinion based, not measurable and empirical.

      May 27, 2013 at 11:11 am |
    • The real Tom

      Vic sounds to be about 80 years old.

      May 27, 2013 at 11:15 am |
    • Austin

      no you are wrong. there is a major difference in my experience and that of my friends. My friends all humbly follow the word of God, they have a serious and real inner faith. but in my case , i do have evidence. Like a prophet (no i am not a prophet) i experienced a literal unveiling of spiritual power. The holy spirit revealed parts of detailed scripturein fdreams the night before i read the passages , and these things and other circu.mstances happened 12 times. this happened in different arrangements so that i could be absolutely positive that the spirit of God can speak through anything when God wills it so.

      I have struggled with the Name of Jesus Christ, and also with sin . and by God's grace , He revealed His presence to me. Physical science will never open up your soul to God as a desperate individual, but God communicates through His word.

      This has nothing to do with addictive personality. I have evidence and proof of God. this is a fact that nothing in this world can over rule. there is no costume wearing judge or so called pcycholigist or psychiatrist that can take this fact away. this is a fact for me, and therefore it is a fact toward you also. The truth is one.

      May 27, 2013 at 11:18 am |
    • Austin

      "To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning."

      Dan, if you are trying to apply human reasoning knowing the fallen nature of man, and the willful intent to reject God, and applying human reasoning and physical measurable evidence to apply this to a spiritual God, then you are organizing a faulty and pre failed experiment. This has got to be the stupidest and most intentionally deviant experiment ever attempted at "measuring God in a vial" That is flat out dumb.

      May 27, 2013 at 11:21 am |
    • The real Tom

      "I have evidence and proof of God"

      Your stupid dreams are NOT proof or evidence of anything whatsoever except that you were asleep at some point and your subconscious was active. THAT IS ALL, you bonehead.

      May 27, 2013 at 11:22 am |
    • Vic

      I am well aware of the Scientific Method!

      The Causality of this existence CAN NEVER BE A SCIENTIFIC FACT!

      The Causality of this existence IS METAPHYSICAL!

      May 27, 2013 at 11:23 am |
    • Austin

      what you have done is by theft, taken a physical realm and applied it directly as the means for evidence for the spiritual nature of God. this is absolute deceit and theft, this is con and coup.

      May 27, 2013 at 11:23 am |
    • Austin

      no Tom it is evidence and proof. and you reject my testimony because you choose to. We love you dearly.

      May 27, 2013 at 11:25 am |
    • The real Tom

      It is hilarious to watch two simpletons declare that they "know" something FOR A FACT and that scientists are just wrong!

      What a hoot. The only downside is that idiots like these vote.

      May 27, 2013 at 11:25 am |
    • The real Tom

      "We love you dearly."

      Who's "we", Austintasia? You got a gerbil up your ass again?

      I reject your claims because you are a clueless moron who hasn't the faintest idea what you're talking about. I reject your claims because you're a doofus who is so uneducated you think hitting a squirrel is murder. I reject your claims because you are just another illiterate fundie who can't even grasp the simplest rules of the English language and is to lazy to bother to learn anything that requires mental effort, including science.

      May 27, 2013 at 11:28 am |
    • mama k

      Lol – Vic is going off with his "spooky" physics again, I see.

      May 27, 2013 at 11:33 am |
    • Austin

      ok i was a biochem major, a gifted student, and I run a business. you must be a doctor and a leader in scientific research?

      and i am not lying to you about what God has done in my life. You know that i hated the bible, just as Paul was against this, He too was called. and I received a very serious call to faith, for the purpose of sharing the truth about what God can do . that He is there, that He is supernatural and very spiritual. I never saw God, I experienced how He works. the powerful all knowing mind of God is worthy of the word God. His ability is worthy of the word God. He is truly God. and you will bow before Him there is no other reaction any human will yeild in His presence. and then reality will hit. did you make a choice to Honor God? this is your greatest responsibility.

      May 27, 2013 at 11:38 am |
    • The real Tom

      "I was a biochem major...a gifted student."

      The baby Jeebus cries when you lie, Austintasia.

      If you majored in a science and you don't have a clue what constitutes "evidence", then either you went to a really crummy school, were a lousy student, or you're lying. YOUR DREAMS AND YOUR EXPERIENCE DO NOT EQUAL PROOF OR EVIDENCE. They're anecdotal. That's all. They apply to you and no one but you. Your insistence that you have "proof" is insulting to the intelligence of anyone smarter than a gopher.

      May 27, 2013 at 12:56 pm |
    • Sammy

      Richard Cranium
      I think we find the "sudden death via stupid accident" thing a little too disconcerting to put out into the media like the other kind of atypical outcome. Too bad, because it really balances the whole idea of "miracles".

      Same for guys like Austin. For every guy who proclaims their faith in Jesus and actually lives a good life afterwards, there's a guy who ends up a serial killer, or some other nasty type. I don't know any studies, but I doubt that being "Saved" has any statistical advantage over other people, including atheists, of being good and decent folks.

      May 27, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Austin
      http://www.ghost-mysteries.com has a large archve of first hand accounts of encounters with ghosts.
      Since we are all to take your story as truth, all of these must also be true.....

      May 27, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
    • Topher

      Austin, is that me??

      May 27, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
    • Sammy

      Austin
      No, you claim to have evidence and proof of God. This is only a "fact" to you, and anyone who chooses to believe what you say on face value. I'm pretty sure that I don't know you personally, so why should I trust what you say?

      Tell me, if a complete stranger came to your door with a vile of yellow liquid, told you that it was a cure for various diseases, and that he got the recipe from a dream, would you drink it?

      May 27, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
  5. We Cannot Serve Slop

    Really cool box.
    Bring it in.
    Looking better.
    Beautiful
    no ribs
    you will fail
    parties
    bitter sweet.

    May 27, 2013 at 9:44 am |
  6. Grafted Olive Branch

    I am a Christian but I believe that God put the natural world on auto-pilot when Adam and Eve sinned and decided for the human race that we will govern ourselves without God. I do not believe God punishes with natural disaster. Punishment, if there is, (Christ’s atonement) is reserved for after judgment day. I do believe that God reserves the right to intervene in Mankind’s affairs to work out His particular purposes but only on His own terms. Natural disasters are just that, “Natural disaster’s”. Force of nature gone awry. Yes faith in God can comfort. And prayer can affect outcome, but don’t blame God for evil or for not preventing evil. Mankind chose at Eden to be responsible for our own affairs. I believe Christ will return when we prove to ourselves how dismally we have failed in that regard.

    May 27, 2013 at 7:25 am |
    • Science

      Adam and Eve..............Adam had to poke himself hard with his own bone to create Eve ?

      May 27, 2013 at 7:30 am |
    • Grafted Olive Branch

      Science
      And you believe that mankind crawled out of some kind of primeval mortal slime? Ha.! I have a prouder ancestry than that. I am a special creation of a living creator God. I am just a little lower than the angels, anticipating what glory God has in store for us.

      May 27, 2013 at 7:44 am |
    • Science

      GOOD NEWS......Grafted Olive Branch....and.....faith the peachy one.............you know !

      http://www.ibtimes.com/atheists-fight-gideon-bibles-books-christopher-hitchens-richard-dawkins-georgia-state-parks-
      1271125

      http://boostnation.boostup.org/

      Science books and education TRUMPS the 666 beast and the red horn-y devil !

      Have a great life and Memorial day !

      May 27, 2013 at 8:49 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Grafter
      Odd...a christian deist. Deists often were considered atheists, even though they do believe in a god, yours just happens to be the christian one.
      You just don't often see a christian deist.

      May 27, 2013 at 9:09 am |
    • OMG

      That is interesting.

      What about Jesus calming the storm on the sea of Galilee?

      His disciples thought he could control weather.

      "And they feared exceedingly, and said one to another, What manner of man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?"

      May 27, 2013 at 9:14 am |
    • science

      Like sara said one day a while back..................the parting of the Red Sea.

      Billions of people never heard of that !

      May 27, 2013 at 9:24 am |
    • OMG

      Science – I have no idea what you are trying to say. What is your story?

      May 27, 2013 at 9:34 am |
    • Science

      Hey faith .....use link below........enter email share story

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      When Christians become a 'hated minority'

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    • Doc Vestibule

      A Candid Conversation between Two Species

      The Man: I am the predilect object of Creation, the centre of all that exists…
      The Tapeworm: You are exalting yourself a little. If you consider yourself the lord of Creation, what can I be, who feed upon you and am ruler in your entrails?
      The Man: You lack reason and an immortal soul.
      The Tapeworm: And since it is an established fact that the concentration and complexity of the nervous system appear in the animal scale as an uninterrupted series of graduations, where are we cut off? How many neurons must be possessed in order to have a soul and a little rationality?
      – Santiago Ramon y Cajal, Recollections of My Life

      The belief that the entire Universe exists as it does simply to have YOU in it is unbelievably conceited.

      May 27, 2013 at 9:55 am |
    • Science

      Hey OMG...............the story = truth.

      Have a great life and Memorial day.

      Peace

      May 27, 2013 at 9:59 am |
    • Sammy

      Grafted Olive Branch
      "I have a prouder ancestry than that. I am a special creation of a living creator God. I am just a little lower than the angels, anticipating what glory God has in store for us."

      So, it's your pride (Ego) that prevents you from accepting evolution. Let's see, what does the Bible have to say about being too proud?

      1 Samuel 2:3
      3"Do not keep talking so proudly or let your mouth speak such arrogance, for the LORD is a God who knows,
      and by him deeds are weighed.

      Proverbs 8:13
      13To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.

      Proverbs 11:2
      2When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.

      Proverbs 13:10
      10Pride only breeds quarrels, but wisdom is found in those who take advice.

      Proverbs 16:18
      18Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.

      Proverbs 29:23
      23 A man's pride brings him low, but a man of lowly spirit gains honor.

      Ecclesiastes 7:8
      8The end of a matter is better than its beginning, and patience is better than pride.

      Isaiah 2:11
      11The eyes of the arrogant man will be humbled and the pride of men brought low; the LORD alone will be exalted in that day.

      Obadiah 1:3
      3The pride of your heart has deceived you, you who live in the clefts of the rocks and make your home on the heights, you who say to yourself, 'Who can bring me down to the ground?'

      2 Corinthians 12:20
      20For I am afraid that when I come I may not find you as I want you to be, and you may not find me as you want me to be. I fear that there may be quarreling, jealousy, outbursts of anger, factions, slander, gossip, arrogance and disorder.

      May 27, 2013 at 10:08 am |
    • Austin

      i experienced the revealing power of the Holy Spirit through God's word. There are other ways that spiritual forces interact every day in life. There is a battle between good and evil. There is a battle for the truth. Some people reject God and therefore lie about the truth.

      May 27, 2013 at 10:08 am |
    • Science

      BS Austin Chad too !.............The red fvcking sea.

      When religious beliefs become evil: 4 signs « – CathNews NZ

      About 50,100,000 results (0.20 seconds) ............from google............quick review of article.............Ethics + $$$$$$$$

      RCC = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$..............no red horn-y thingy needed...........but big part of the RCC.............

      The FVCKING bedVROOM.

      Peace

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/21/vatican-pope-didnt-perform-exorcism/comment-page-7/#comments

      May 27, 2013 at 10:18 am |
    • Sammy

      Austin
      "There is a battle for the truth. Some people reject God and therefore lie about the truth."
      That would make sense if it were not for the fact that various groups who all accept God still have different, conflicting ideas about what the "truth" is.

      May 27, 2013 at 10:19 am |
    • Austin

      evasion of responsibility, evasive behaviour............i.e. pointing at the behaviour of man as an excuse to deny God fellowship with your soul and life that He gave you.

      You worship the deceit of this world, the god of this world who is a "master deceiver", and the cheif "accuser". your relationship to God, your greatest responsibility, is not about some church, or some group of people. it is about you and God. and furthermore, He has given us His life as atonement, He has interveined and given us direct revelation through His word.

      May 27, 2013 at 10:28 am |
    • Science

      You know faith/chad.....and Austin.....all creationists......story here = truth there is NO red horn-y devil never has been one !

      May 27, 2013 at 11:01 am |
    • Austin

      ya there is a devil, and the concrete evidence of God revealing His presence through His word was first given as a dream about a demonic spirit that inverted my body upside down, and then the spirit forecast a dead cat.

      i woke up and it was dead. and this was the revealing of evil as a real presence , power and force. there is a devil. I have more experiences with this fact than you could bear to hear .

      May 27, 2013 at 11:43 am |
    • Pete

      Austin
      Half the people here probably believe that you killed that cat yourself, and that these dreams of yours are just a manifestation of your bipolar mind. Killing animals is supposed to be an early warning sign of serial killing. Go find help before it's too late.

      May 27, 2013 at 1:54 pm |
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    Prayer changes things ,

    May 27, 2013 at 6:23 am |
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      Have a great life. and Memorial day !

      Peace

      May 27, 2013 at 7:27 am |
  8. Joey Isotta-Fraschini, D.D. ©™

    My father, a Southern Baptist deacon seldom seen not holding a marker-filled Bible, always explained disasters as God's punishment for sin, usually the sin of an unrecognised but present individual.

    May 27, 2013 at 6:21 am |
    • Mirosal

      Then your god is a very shallow and petty god. Natural disaters are just that, NATURAL. No god needed to explain how it happens. That's what legitimate science is for, and has done. If your god were truly mad at us, then tell your god to make its first-ever appearance, and tell us face-to-face. Until then, while you're thanking your god for sparing the survivors of the recent storms, do NOT forget to blame your god for sending the storm and killing the innocent victims in the first place. Your "god" is guilty of murder. Quite the role model, isn't it?

      May 27, 2013 at 6:33 am |
    • Grafted Olive Branch

      I am a Christian but I believe that God put the natural world on auto-pilot when Adam and Eve sinned and decided for the human race that we will govern ourselves without God. I do not believe God punishes with natural disaster. Punishment, if there is, (Christ’s atonement) is reserved for after judgment day. I do believe that God reserves the right to intervene in Mankind’s affairs to work out His particular purposes but only on His own terms. Natural disasters are just that, “Natural disaster’s”. Force of nature gone awry. Yes faith in God can comfort. And prayer can affect outcome, but don’t blame God for evil or for not preventing evil. Mankind chose at Eden to be responsible for our own affairs.

      May 27, 2013 at 7:24 am |
    • Mirosal

      ok G.O.B. ... next time the sirens go off and the tornado is headed right for YOU, stand outside, pray with ALL your might, and see if your "god" deflects that spiraling wind. Good luck with that, and we'll see you in Oz!!! If, as you say, it is nature gone awry, then why does your god allow a tornado to kill innocent people? Coudn;t he have stopped it in time? Oh wait I get it now, those victims HAD to die to fit your "god's" master plan. I get it now, your god is a shallow petty murderer. Gee I wanna follow him too.. please can I can I can I .. please please??

      May 27, 2013 at 8:39 am |
    • Topher

      Mirosal

      "If your god were truly mad at us, then tell your god to make its first-ever appearance, and tell us face-to-face."

      God was continually "making appearances" in the Old Testament. And He was clearly here in the New Testament ... walking among us for 33 years. Yet you still reject Him.

      May 27, 2013 at 10:18 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      "Now I don't know what stopped Jesus Christ from turning every other stone into bread
      And I don't remember hearing how Moses reacted when the innocent first born sons lay dead
      I guess God was a lot more demonstrative back when he flamboyantly parted the seas."

      – Brett Guerewitz

      May 27, 2013 at 10:22 am |
    • HotAirAce

      But none since the invention of the camera. . .

      May 27, 2013 at 10:30 am |
    • Austin

      right here. I am one person who did experience the supernatural revealing truth bearing work of the Holy spirit. God allowed this experience, it is a blessing even for one who hated God and the bible, and I am here to tell you that

      Our Lord is There
      Jehovah Shammah.

      I can bet my life on it. and I do. There is no other way for me because I have been given the truth.

      May 27, 2013 at 10:35 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Topher
      Weak argument. Just because it is said in a 2000 year old book ,doesn't mean it is true.

      God could very easily make believeres of all of us if he chose to...he would know what would be required to accomplish it. yet he allows the debate to continue, allows other beliefs to flourish, even though one of his top 10 is though shalt have no other god before me. If he is such a jealous god, you'd think he would not have muddied his message so much. He can make it clear to all in an instant, yet remains silent. This indicates he is not the god of the bible, or that he does not exist.

      May 27, 2013 at 10:38 am |
    • Topher

      Richard Cranium

      "Weak argument. Just because it is said in a 2000 year old book ,doesn't mean it is true."

      Fair enough. But I have every reason to believe it is true.

      "God could very easily make believeres of all of us if he chose to..."

      I don't think so. Even if He did show up again, there'd be plenty of people who would still reject Him. He was "despised and rejected" when He was here before. I'm not saying this is true of you, but I hear it all the time ... when I ask an atheist if they KNEW Christ was real, would they repent and trust Him. They tell me no, because they hate Him. Dan Barker famously said in a debate that if God were real, "I'd tell HIM to go to Hell."

      May 27, 2013 at 10:52 am |
    • The real Tom

      Topher lies: "when I ask an atheist if they KNEW Christ was real, would they repent and trust Him. They tell me no, because they hate Him."

      You are so full of sh!t.

      May 27, 2013 at 10:53 am |
    • Austin

      Richard, if you knew as i do that the resurrection is a fact, then how could you say He allows the debate. what is driving you is your desire to be independent of God. you choose to play a game of facts, because you dont truly want that relationship with God. You feel like you arent a sinner? these motives are WAY OUT OF BOUNDS. this emulates who Satan is (sad but true). you need to seek God, EVERY DAY. and this is a test and a trial, and He will send them your way.

      Is your root in shallow ground.? does your tree bear fruit, or do you willfully reject your calling to faith?

      May 27, 2013 at 10:55 am |
    • Austin

      moses and aaron went up the mountain, when Moses or God told aaron to wait till moses came down, Aaron didnt wait, he went down and made a golden calf AFTER HE JUST SAW THE PRESENCE OF GOD.

      this shows us mans ability to sustain faith, and obey. we are not the glory of our faith. God is .

      May 27, 2013 at 10:58 am |
    • Topher

      The real Tom

      Where is the lie in that?

      So let me ask you, then ... If you KNEW Christ is true and the Bible got it right, would you repent and trust in Him?

      May 27, 2013 at 10:59 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Austin
      You do not know it as fact. It cannot be proven or disproven. It is impossible to know for sure. That is part of your delusion.

      You have a great deal of trouble separating belief from knowledge, fact from fiction. Also you are not good at seeing cause and effect relationships. It is because of your belief that your belief is fact that you aren't worth debating with. Your mind is closed, which is a common side effect of religion.

      May 27, 2013 at 11:04 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Topher
      One of the reasons that, even if shown that Christ is real, I would still reject him, is that I would not allow another to stand in my place for any just punishment I have coming. To me that is an incredibly immoral act... for the sacrificer, it is indeed a noble gesture, but if I am able to not have another stand iin my place, I would not allow it.
      Christianity is based on that immorality...accept jesus who suffered for your sins...NO...NO WAY...I will suffer for my sins and not allow a brother to stand in my place.
      So the whole debate of is he or isn't he is moot. It forces me to do something I hold inherently immoral as the first act of my accepting this allegedly moral religion. I do not see the logic in the belief.

      May 27, 2013 at 11:11 am |
    • The real Tom

      The lie in your post, Gopher, is that you even know many atheists, if any at all, or that they have anything at all to say to you.

      Yes, if you could show me undeniable evidence that a god existed, then of course, I'd acknowledge the fact. That's just it: You have no facts. Just faith. You have no evidence whatsoever that any god exists or that Jesus, if he existed, was divine. You believe it. i don't. If it were a fact, everyone would accept it as such.

      May 27, 2013 at 11:11 am |
    • Topher

      Richard Cranium

      I don't see what's immoral about it. Unfair? Sure. But luckily we come out on the winning end of that deal.

      May 27, 2013 at 11:15 am |
    • The real Tom

      You don't think it's immoral to allow an innocent person to be punished for a crime you committed?

      May 27, 2013 at 11:16 am |
    • Really-O?

      @Topher – "If you KNEW Christ is true and the Bible got it right, would you repent and trust in Him?"

      Of course, who but the deranged would not? But, for sake of illustration, if you KNEW drinking and bathing in Lourdes water would keep you free from disease and suffering, would you trust in and use the water?

      See the point?

      May 27, 2013 at 11:19 am |
    • Topher

      The real Tom

      " ... is that you even know many atheists, if any at all, or that they have anything at all to say to you. "

      I know MANY atheists. My family and most of my friends. I didn't grow up a Christian, so I know more atheists than Christians.

      "Yes, if you could show me undeniable evidence that a god existed, then of course, I'd acknowledge the fact."

      That's not really the question. Would you humble yourself and repent and trust in Him? The demons acknowledge the fact of Christ, but they aren't going to Heaven.

      "That's just it: You have no facts. Just faith. You have no evidence whatsoever that any god exists or that Jesus, if he existed, was divine. You believe it. i don't. If it were a fact, everyone would accept it as such."

      The evidence you're talking about is subjective. I'd say there's more than enough evidence. Millions around the world have found the same thing. It's up to you to figure out if said evidence is compelling enough. I'd say it's more compelling that a God exists than of everything happening by accident. But that's up to you to decide.

      May 27, 2013 at 11:21 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Topher
      That's part of the problem...you don't see the immorality of it...it is because you have the choice...it is in the choosing where lies the morality or immorality.
      I cannot put myself in place of the veterans who served and died for my freedoms.., but I can stand for myself before your god, and I think he'd be OK with my decision and the reason for it, but according to you and your ilk....straight to hell for eternity...Your bible is wrong...there may be a god, but it certainly has nothing to do with the bible.

      May 27, 2013 at 11:26 am |
    • Really-O?

      @Topher – "Millions around the world have found the same thing."

      Actually, Topher, a near majority of the human population accepts Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism; Christianity currently is the religion (if you can consider it one religion) with the most adherents (due to centuries of an aggressive missionary tradition), but it's dominance is fading fast. Doesn't that give you pause?

      May 27, 2013 at 11:31 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Topher, each person gets to set the standard of evidence they need to move from not knowing to knowing. Your experiences carry no weight for me because you do not appear to be any more than a relatively uneducated dogmatic dead jew zombie vampire cannibal death cult member. For me, I want as much objective, independent, verifiable and factual information as possible, and there is none for your god or divine jesus – none! So you can ask your seemingly clever question as many times as you like, but you will never get past the "where's the evidence?" question for many, and as has been noted, for fewer and fewer as time goes on.

      May 27, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
    • Austin

      rchard Cranium......
      "You do not know it as fact. It cannot be proven or disproven. It is impossible to know for sure. That is part of your delusion.

      You have a great deal of trouble separating belief from knowledge, fact from fiction. Also you are not good at seeing cause and effect relationships. It is because of your belief that your belief is fact that you aren't worth debating with. Your mind is closed, which is a common side effect of religion."

      Richard, is was apposed to God, and struggling with the name of Jesus , and my experiences are real. I wrote all my dreams down in the middle of the night. and the playing out of reality in relation to these dreams was absolutely supernatural. these experiences were influenced by supernatural agents.

      if you read your own comments, you are committed to being biased. "if is saw jesus i would still not repent, i would suffer for my own wrongs" ok you are clearly a deviant vigilante against God allmighty. this is what i was doing when i drove my truck through the church. we are the same in this reaction. i had all your thoughts RC. and then God unveiled his presence in my life supernaturally.

      again, all my dreams were written down as i awoke in the night, and then the next day i would read about, or experience what i dreamed about. this was all very spiritual in content, and it was only possible through a ministering presence and spirit. I boast about God, not me. this is all about who God is and what He has done.

      May 27, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
    • Topher

      Richard Cranium

      "That's part of the problem...you don't see the immorality of it...it is because you have the choice...it is in the choosing where lies the morality or immorality."

      OK, then explain to me how it's immoral. God made the offer to take my punishment. How is it immoral of me to accept that offer?
      " I cannot put myself in place of the veterans who served and died for my freedoms.., but I can stand for myself before your god, and I think he'd be OK with my decision and the reason for it, ..."

      You think He's be OK with what decision? That you have rejected Him?

      "but according to you and your ilk....straight to hell for eternity..."

      For breaking His laws, yes.

      "Your bible is wrong...there may be a god, but it certainly has nothing to do with the bible."

      Why do you think the Bible is wrong?

      May 27, 2013 at 1:00 pm |
    • Topher

      Really-O?

      "Actually, Topher, a near majority of the human population accepts Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism; Christianity currently is the religion (if you can consider it one religion) with the most adherents (due to centuries of an aggressive missionary tradition), but it's dominance is fading fast. Doesn't that give you pause?"

      Not really. It's pretty much what the Bible says will happen. And I don't know much about the numbers of Hinduism and Buddhism, but Islam has two factors in its favor for growing ... their birth rates are higher and if you reject it you'll likely be killed.

      May 27, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Gopher, your friends and family doesn't constitute "many." You, like Austin, engage in wishful thinking. It is very unlikely that you know many people who are very much different from you; I suspect you still live in the same town where you grew up and that most of your friends do, too. Probably went to the same school you did. You don't have enough life experience to claim that you know a large number of atheists from many different backgrounds, nationalities, generations, or races. You base your conclusions about what "all" atheists, or even "most" atheists would say or do on your tiny little realm and your very few years of life.

      You don't know me. You don't know many people at all. And you don't have any "evidence" or "proof" of a thing. You and Austin are both kidding yourselves if you think you do. You have faith and that is all.

      May 27, 2013 at 1:10 pm |
    • The real Tom

      "You have a great deal of trouble separating belief from knowledge, fact from fiction."

      Pot, meet kettle.

      May 27, 2013 at 1:11 pm |
    • Topher

      The real Tom

      "your friends and family doesn't consti.tute "many."

      Why not? Do you have foreknowledge of how many people are in my family or how many friends I have?

      "It is very unlikely that you know many people who are very much different from you; I suspect you still live in the same town where you grew up and that most of your friends do, too"

      True, most of my family still live in the same area, but I don't. I haven't lived in my hometown in more than a decade. Since leaving, I've moved 4 times for my job, including living in another state.

      "You don't have enough life experience to claim that you know a large number of atheists from many different backgrounds, nationalities, generations, or races."

      That's subjective. I'm in my mid-30s. And work in an industry that has been historically anti-Christian.

      "You base your conclusions about what "all" atheists, or even "most" atheists would say or do on your tiny little realm and your very few years of life. "

      I base it on what people I know say and what atheists on these message boards say ... and also from watching debates. I love debates.

      May 27, 2013 at 1:22 pm |
    • The real Tom

      "I love debates."

      Odd that you're so terrible at them. You are a kid, Gopher. You have seen very little of life. You've never had children, never lost a parent, never been seriously ill, never lived through catastrophic events. You don't have the nuts to decide what "most" or "all" atheists think.

      That you imagine you do is laughable, and just makes you look even more callow.

      Oh, gee, you moved EVEN TO ANOTHER STATE!!! Golly molly!

      May 27, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
    • LinCA

      @Topher

      You said, "And work in an industry that has been historically anti-Christian."
      Intriguing. What industry is anti-christian? I can't think of any that would inherently be against any religion. An industry being against christianity would have a hard time flourishing in the US, I would imagine. Unless you would call other religions an "industry", I can't imagine which industry that would be. I doubt that you, as a christian, would work for a different religion's "industry". What I can envision, is an industry where the silly religious superstitions conflict with the scientific work that is done. Do you work for an abortion provider? Bio-medical company? A university?

      Can you enlighten me?

      May 27, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
    • Topher

      The real Tom

      "Odd that you're so terrible at them."

      To my knowledge, I've never been in one.

      "You've never had children, never lost a parent, never been seriously ill, never lived through catastrophic events. You don't have the nuts to decide what "most" or "all" atheists think. "

      How does my having good health have anything to do with knowing what atheists think? They tell me all the time ... like you're doing now.

      May 27, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Topher, you are a liar. You have debated the existence of your god and the truth of The Babble numerous times, and lost every time. On second thought, you might be correct – while you attempted to debate, you were hardly in any debate.

      May 27, 2013 at 1:38 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Topher
      I have been down that road many times in the past with you and you never accept the realities I put forth.
      From the absurdity of the Noahs ark story (God made it rain 6 inches a minute in all areas of the world simultaneously for 40 days straight, yet we only have evidence of local floods, not one worldwide one) to the Adam and Eve ( where all humans came from one set of genetic code, that never accounts for the fact that all humans have neanderthal DNA.)
      I don't reject the idea that there may be something that you might define as a god...I do not believe it, but do not reject it either...I just know that the bible is full of men's imaginations in response to their own ignorance.

      May 27, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      austin
      You clearly did not understand what I was saying, and again are trying to put a different meaning to my words, leaping to a conclusion I did not make, and then railing against it....as I said before, you are not worth debating.

      May 27, 2013 at 1:45 pm |
    • The real Tom

      Gopher gets it wrong again. I've never said I was an atheist. I've never claimed any such thing.

      You just can't stand it that you don't get to put everyone in a neat little box, can you, Gopher? I am telling you one thing: you don't know sh1t from Shinola. You don't know what atheists think; you don't know what agnostics think; you don't know what all Christians think. You just like imagining that you do. You're smug.

      May 27, 2013 at 4:31 pm |
  9. Daisycutter

    White Christian Men are evil and Obamaphobes , right ?

    May 27, 2013 at 5:24 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      Many who were educated and brainwashed during the Cold War have the hardest time breaking free of all that, so it depends on the person's age and how deeply they were brainwashed.
      I have met many rabid old guys. I one avoids talking about what pushes their buttons, they become just old guys and can actually hold down a conversation and even sound sane about some things. It really depends.
      Off your meds again, grandpa? Tired of Fox talking heads (that blond chick is cute, isn't she?) or just trolling?

      May 27, 2013 at 5:52 am |
    • Mark

      White atheist are pedophiles, therefore all atheist are pedophiles. Make more of generalization would ya. There are white evil men "Christian" or otherwise. Only God truly knows he heart of a man.

      May 27, 2013 at 6:04 am |
  10. Gibelain

    Either you believe in divine intervention, or you don't. If you pray to God to help you in the recovery from the tornado, or want to thank and praise him for sparing you personally, or for helping you recover from the destruction, then you have to ask why did God cause the tornado in the first place, or why didn't he intervene to prevent it from hitting to begin with. If you think God can help and bless you after the disaster, but couldn't do anything to prevent the disaster to begin with, then that is no God you are praying to, only a half-god.

    May 27, 2013 at 4:41 am |
    • Science

      StupidAtheists........use link below........enter email share story ............productive !

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      https://give.liveunited.org/page/share/StoryThanks?blue_daisychain_id=7e4095e4-c644-11e2-a474-000000000000&action_code=FgxRWxYUOVIKQV0YAlweUQ&td=VVHLbtswEPwVQqcUiBRS1iO2L70URQ9pgSpAUDQBQZEre1GKFEgqhlP037uy3brliTu7nJkd_sxgVGizTXbYA9heheAPw2ytH-KkNASvf7y3-AqF9mN2mw0YYnJqBHrRaQSngVCr_oIfwVu_OxL4hhPVdV1VFVU9xJRr75LSKU94miU4gMEAOsk52DMidzOay1X2ipykS-WnJF-XniN_t1n0cyD1P9Xc_w9Me–u3eRJSQ5oIWab7y-E4M7Nkxx8GOVJb7UmDR1AJZBmkSy5WOW8zsuGlXxT8U1ZXydwksqYQGNtUwixKsS6LcR9e52YIwSpduAWrgf_htaq57u64OyGopxUwt7Clj10nz4wwQu-ZU_ojD9E9vmRESfVX56aasseAxpieb5rCv5u4d-rKRH3ybVYorUzWVYYj9RCd260IAaoSp7rpqpyIaDM16Zscv7PWf6T9r_8HO3LGW9pWfYVDCwBgWEdJmDdXgVgR8qXdZTkkd1EesNUZN8IO0GLs9Gb2cKF7hxw9us3

      Peace

      May 27, 2013 at 7:20 am |
    • Grafted Olive Branch

      I am a Christian but I believe that God put the natural world on auto-pilot when Adam and Eve sinned and decided for the human race that we will govern ourselves without God. I do not believe God punishes with natural disaster. Punishment, if there is, (Christ’s atonement) is reserved for after judgment day. I do believe that God reserves the right to intervene in Mankind’s affairs to work out His particular purposes but only on His own terms. Natural disasters are just that, “Natural disaster’s”. Force of nature gone awry. Yes faith in God can comfort. And prayer can affect outcome, but don’t blame God for evil or for not preventing evil. Mankind chose at Eden to be responsible for our own affairs. I believe Christ will return when we prove to ourselves how dismally we have failed in that regard.

      May 27, 2013 at 7:30 am |
  11. StupidAtheists

    @Mirosal

    You're not at work, i have seen you here like i've seen others like you, pretending to be at work. Don't try that on me, it's not going work. Your $100 can be true and maybe it's not, i don't know. But if it is at least i congratulate you for it. And if you keep on the path of helping others then you will find yourself less often ob your computer losing your life making ignorant and worthless comments at those who are trying to do something. As far as what i did, i have sent money and clothing and other things people might need to start over again.

    May 27, 2013 at 4:34 am |
    • Mirosal

      Oh, I'm at work, today's a holiday.. time and a half, I'll take that no problem. I've been working graveyard shift for many many years. I like it. I do my job, the big bosses are still asleep, and when they come in, they can tell that my crew and I did our jobs and weren't slacking off. You see, I don't need the carrot and stick approach that religion uses to coerce others to do its bidding. Others have helped me along the way, and I have helped others. No "god" needed, it's simple humanity.

      May 27, 2013 at 4:38 am |
    • StupidAtheists

      Well congratulation for having a job, sure i agree, a person doesn't need a God to do good. But i also believe a person shouldn't put down God or other people who believe in a deity. I believe in live and let live as long as someone is doing good without the need to put others down. That's where i intervene when people people are putting others down instead of making themselves productive.

      May 27, 2013 at 4:47 am |
  12. Eduardo

    Religion is the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind.

    May 27, 2013 at 4:13 am |
    • StupidAtheists

      And what are you atheists doing to help? I mean other than just sitting here on theses blogs complaining about those who are trying to do something to help?

      May 27, 2013 at 4:25 am |
    • A different idea

      Which religion Eduardo? Also keep in mind nobody can be "hoaxed" as you say without their permission. If I convince ten billiion people that a potato chip is responsible for gravity, honestly its the decison of those ten billion to agree with me or not.

      May 27, 2013 at 9:01 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      I'll answer for eduardo.

      All of them. They are all nothing but the products of mens imaginations in response to their own ignorance.

      May 27, 2013 at 9:11 am |
  13. Vic

    HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY

    May 27, 2013 at 3:33 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Finally, You have said something we can agree on. Happy Memorial Day...

      May 27, 2013 at 9:04 am |
    • Duck Nuckem

      Maybe the simple things are more your speed, Vic.
      Soldiers fought and died so you could be a dumb d ick.
      But then again, all the lies that make you tick,
      are really after all, just a big ole bunch of sh it.

      May 27, 2013 at 9:20 am |
  14. Karl Marx

    Either Jesus or Mohammad and Allah is/are kickin' Oakie rear ends. Not too good either way.

    May 27, 2013 at 2:28 am |
  15. Marty in MA

    I am an atheist but I believe in people and the good they can do.
    Mother nature (God?) is the biggest killer on the planet. Tough to believe this stuff any more. 🙁

    May 27, 2013 at 1:53 am |
    • Athy

      Mother Nature is not god. God is a foolish belief of insecure people. Mother Nature is just that, nature – the way it really is.

      May 27, 2013 at 2:07 am |
    • StupidAtheists

      @Athy

      Maybe be is Athy, but at least these religious people are trying to help instead of having their azz sitting in front of their computers and doing nothing like you atheists are good at.

      May 27, 2013 at 4:05 am |
    • tallulah13

      Yet there you sit, Stupid, in front of your computer, doing nothing. Except, of course, providing a shining example of hypocrisy.

      May 27, 2013 at 4:13 am |
    • StupidAtheists

      I just got out of bed to go to work and found you morons sitting here all night and making complete fools of yourselves as usual. You can take this and shove it up your stupid ignorant atheists azzes.

      May 27, 2013 at 4:17 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      "I just got out of bed to go to work and found you morons sitting here all night"

      The hypocrisy is amazing. What business is it of yours whether people are spending their time here? Are you responsible for their expenses?

      May 27, 2013 at 6:40 am |
  16. That's just crazy talk

    There are no right words

    May 27, 2013 at 1:36 am |
  17. Clausen

    No matter what religion you believe in, this is not heaven, this is the world. Bad things will happen. Storms will destroy the homes of believers. Millions of innocent lives will be killed at the hands of dictators. Evil men will triumph in some cases.

    I don't know what it is about articles dealing with religious people trying to HELP out that draws hateful atheists scrolling to the comments section to spew another wave of the same arguments they always use.

    May 27, 2013 at 1:10 am |
    • tallulah13

      Actually, I stayed away from this article until now. I don't have it in me to deny people their comfort when they are suffering. However, a lot of the comments here have nothing to do with comforting the actual victims, so I have no problem replying to those comments.

      May 27, 2013 at 1:16 am |
    • LinCA

      @Clausen

      You said, "I don't know what it is about articles dealing with religious people trying to HELP out that draws hateful atheists scrolling to the comments section to spew another wave of the same arguments they always use."
      What makes pointing out how irrational religious beliefs are, hateful?

      The arguments are the same because the silly beliefs remain the same. There still isn't a shred of evidence to support the existence of the creature at the core of everything the believer holds true. Nothing to indicate their beliefs are based on anything real.

      While you are free to remain blissfully ignorant, if you display your ignorance here, you should expect to be called on it. If you don't want your silly and childish beliefs exposed, keep them to yourself.

      May 27, 2013 at 1:58 am |
    • Vic

      Romans 1:20
      "20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse."

      Colossians 1:16
      "16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him."

      Hebrews 11:3
      "3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible."

      Acts 17:24-28
      "24 The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands; 25 nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things; 26 and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, 27 that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.’"

      [Scripture is from the New American Standard Bible (NASB)]
      http://www.biblegateway.com

      Don't take offense! Just think about the above Scripture logically!

      May 27, 2013 at 3:37 am |
    • StupidAtheists

      @LinCa

      Maybe if you would move your azz and do something to help, instead of spending your life sitting in front of your computer and spewing worthless comments you then would be productive.

      May 27, 2013 at 4:09 am |
    • Mirosal

      @ Vic .. ok then let's look at it logically. Your little book about some guy who supposedly was born of a mortal woman, fathered by a deity, then was killed, and rose 3 days later ... that's logic? Hercules was born in the same manner, yet you'll readily call that a myth. Not a single author of your New Testament had ever met, walked with or talked to your jeebus guy. Those stories were handed down for about 40 years AFTER he suposedly died/rose. Using logic, can you tell me WHY I need to believe in some unseen, mysrical, magical thing in the sky who knows all sees all does all? And do it WITHOUT using your book. Then, logically tell me why YOUR "god" is more real than the other 10,000 gods worshiped by mankind. Again, do it without using your little book.

      May 27, 2013 at 4:22 am |
    • LinCA

      @StupidAtheists

      You said, "Maybe if you would move your azz and do something to help, instead of spending your life sitting in front of your computer and spewing worthless comments you then would be productive."
      Dispelling the silly and infantile beliefs is very productive. The fewer people that fall for the nonsense, the better the chances of society to address the issues that really matter. It is of vital importance for the well-being of the entire population that the religious are shown to be moronically ignorant.

      May 27, 2013 at 12:43 pm |
  18. popseal

    Nowhere are we promised anything but storms and their consequential hardships. God's purpose is to point us all to an eternal destiny, determined by our response to the Risen Christ. Like the Buddhist teaching says, "Life is pain", Unlike the Buddhist teaching, hope is in Christ and Him alone. Everything else is nothing but tampering with things beyond our grasp.

    May 27, 2013 at 12:44 am |
    • HotAirAce

      You've got the dogma down pat, now where's your evidence?

      May 27, 2013 at 1:04 am |
    • tallulah13

      These things are only beyond your grasp because you don't want to learn. And the only eternal destiny is that one day we will all be dead. You can waste this one life you get hoping for something better after you die if you want. I believe that the here and now are more valuable than any pretend heaven.

      May 27, 2013 at 1:07 am |
    • StupidAtheists

      Atheists if we only have one live to live, at least try to be productive instead of being complete morons like you are.

      May 27, 2013 at 4:10 am |
    • tallulah13

      Perhaps you should take your own advise, Stupid. Internet trolling is about the biggest life-waster there is.

      May 27, 2013 at 4:15 am |
    • StupidAtheists

      No i work for a living unlike you, i know you and seen you all the time of these blogs, you've been sitting here all night doing just that loser.

      May 27, 2013 at 4:19 am |
  19. Jim

    There are no right words in times like this. Words are empty.

    May 27, 2013 at 12:40 am |
  20. Kajal Deepak

    Clerics struggling with words?
    That's weird. I thought the one thing that clerics seem to have aplenty are words. True or false, doesn't matter.
    It is actions and tangible contributions that they should struggle with. Words are easy....they can make stuff up in no time.
    Hey, isn't prayer all words?

    May 27, 2013 at 12:34 am |
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