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In Oklahoma, a balm after the storm
Volunteers unload donations for tornado victims at the First Baptist Church on May 23, 2013 in Moore, Oklahoma.
May 25th, 2013
06:05 PM ET

In Oklahoma, a balm after the storm

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN) - For six days, First Baptist Church in Moore, Oklahoma, provided food and shelter to victims of Monday’s deadly tornado. On the seventh day, the church offers another scarce resource: solace.

“Simply put, we are urging people to draw near to the Lord and near to each other,” said Kevin Clarkson, the church’s senior pastor. “As bad as this time is, we find that God will give us comfort and solace and hope for the future.”

Four of the nine children who died in Monday’s tornado had ties to First Baptist. On Sunday evening, the church will host a prayer service called “Oklahoma Strong: Coming Together in Faith,” which Gov. Mary Fallin is expected to attend.

In all, 24 people perished as a result of Monday’s tornado. Nearly 400 suffered broken bones and bruises, and 1,200 homes in Moore and Oklahoma City were damaged or destroyed, according to state officials. The twister’s tenacity took even Tornado Alley by surprise.

But as cleanup begins, imams, pastors and rabbis in the deeply religious Sooner State are encouraging believers to draw on the deep wells of their traditions for spiritual sustenance. The common message across the faiths seems to be: God’s voice was not in Monday’s whirlwind but rather in the steady, quiet aftermath of neighbor helping neighbor.

“What happens may be random, but how we respond to it is not,” said Rabbi Vered L. Harris of Temple B’nai Israel in Oklahoma City. “Making our responses holy begins with noticing the potential for sanctity.”

One block, two tornadoes: Life in the crosshairs

At Shabbat services on Friday night, Harris read a prayer asking God for the wisdom “to know how we can help” and “the calm to bring comfort.”

Like Harris, Abdur-Rahman Taleb, the director of youth services at the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City, focused on the human response to Monday’s tornado.

“I find it amazing how people will come together across their differences for a common goal,” Taleb said. “The amount of people who came forward from the different faith communities to help those in need, regardless of their beliefs, is extraordinary.”

Taleb said his sermon on Friday focused on the Quran’s second chapter, which tells Muslims that God tests the faithful with “fear and hunger and loss of property.”

Passing that test entails remaining patient amid calamity, the Quran says.

“We want to be mindful of God day in and day out, whether we’re going through good times or bad,” Taleb said.

At Journey Church, an evangelical megachurch about 10 miles from Moore, Sunday’s message is about rebuilding, said Pastor Sam Wampler.

The congregation will look to Nehemiah, who restored the walls of Jerusalem, for inspiration, said the pastor.

“We are far enough in now where the grieving, the anger, is kicking in,” Wampler said. “People need that hope.”

Photos: Pets rescued after Oklahoma tornado

Pastor Bobby Gruenewald of LifeChurch.tv, which has 11 branches in Oklahoma, said his message on Sunday will focus on two key questions: Where is God during tragedies? And what can Christians do to help?

“It's been a tough week but also an encouraging one as we've seen a tremendous response from the faith community,” Gruenewald said. “Churches from just about every denomination we can think of are coming forward with offers to help.”

A garden statue of the Virgin Mary stands in front of a window shattered by the tornado in Moore, Oklahoma.

Some of the tornado’s first-responders have been turning to the Rev. Thomas Boyer, the longtime pastor at St. Mark the Evangelist Catholic Church in nearby Norman, Oklahoma.

“It will be tough on them now,” said the 72-year-old priest, “and it will be tough on them later.”

Boyer said he’s still searching for the right words to say in response.

“Normally my homily is done on Thursday and posted on the website, but it's not even done," the priest said on Friday afternoon, as day darkened into night.

Boyer will have some help: the Archdiocese of Oklahoma City adjusted the prayers and petitions for Sunday Mass to address the area's tribulations.

But sometimes there is nothing to say other than “look to the Lord,” said Clarkson, who has already presided at the funerals of three young tornado victims.

Perhaps that’s why Jared Bowie’s photo of a dark tornado twisting toward a cross has gone viral.

Bowie, an intern at LifeChurch.tv’s campus in Edmond, Oklahoma, said his image has graced thousands of blog posts, media reports, Facebook pages and Instagram accounts since he posted it to CNN’s iReport. One woman even printed out the image and hung it next to her wedding photo, Bowie said.

The picture was taken on May 19, when another tornado, a less destructive forebear of Monday’s deadly whirlwind, churned through Oklahoma. Nonetheless, the image has become inextricably tied to Moore’s loss of lives and homes, and the ultimate source of salvation for Bowie and other Christians.

“People are going through severe suffering right now,” Bowie said. “But in those times, our Savior can provide so much hope. There is light in the darkness.”

Eric Marrapodi, Dan Merica and Jessica Ravitz contributed to this report.

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Belief • Church • United States

soundoff (1,053 Responses)
  1. sly

    catholic engineer, please don't embarrass the human race by telling us your religion.

    May 28, 2013 at 3:54 pm |
    • catholic engineer

      The human race is quite capable of embarassing itself. Are you one of its finest representatives?

      May 28, 2013 at 3:58 pm |
    • Science

      Education trumps the red horn-y thingy............CE

      http://boostnation.boostup.org/

      Peace

      May 28, 2013 at 4:13 pm |
  2. sly

    Now I understand why these Okie's weren't smart enough to build shelters.

    Everyone does know that those Okie's left in Oklahoma were the only one's dumb enough to not leave during the dust bowl.

    Good – I'm so glad they have their Religion Balm – I would sure be happy if my kids died, but at least I could still pray. Makes it all worthwhile to them I guess.

    May 28, 2013 at 3:00 pm |
    • Victoria

      II came across this by accident. That has to be one of the most uncalled for remarks I have seen, You are heartless in what you write. How can anyone be that callous. You are somewhere East of Oklahoma. I see that because of time zone. Nothing can erase the pain in the losses here. Humanity is comforting each other-why would you write something so horrid in tone. Yes I am a Christian and I try to respect mankind in general. I live in Moore and I am an Oklahoman-period. I truly feel sorry for you, you are a pathetically sad creature.

      May 28, 2013 at 3:21 pm |
    • Dippy

      Sly, you must be an Okie too. The plural of Okie is Okies, not Okie's. The plural of one is ones, not one's. Did you skip fifth grade, or haven't you arrived there yet?

      May 28, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
    • midwest rail

      The plural of one is two. Sorry, couldn't resist.

      May 28, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
    • Dippy

      Victoria, the time given on all posts, regardless of their geographical source, is EST (Eastern Standard Time).

      May 28, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
    • Dippy

      Good, rail. I couldn't have resisted either. But technically the plural of one is "two or more".

      May 28, 2013 at 3:39 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Touche'.

      May 28, 2013 at 3:39 pm |
    • catholic engineer

      sly, please don't embarass the other citizens of your state by telling us where you live.

      May 28, 2013 at 3:49 pm |
    • sly

      catholic engineer, please don't embarrass the human race by telling us your religion.

      May 28, 2013 at 3:54 pm |
    • catholic engineer

      The human race is quite capable of embarrassing itself, thank you very much.

      May 28, 2013 at 3:56 pm |
    • sam stone

      "The human race is quite capable of embarrassing itself, thank you very much."

      No kidding. We created god(s)

      May 28, 2013 at 4:25 pm |
    • Hey, sly

      Less than 20% left OK during the dust bowl years. Know your history.

      May 28, 2013 at 4:35 pm |
    • Athy

      Sly doesn't seem to know much of anything.

      May 28, 2013 at 4:41 pm |
    • Jimmy G.

      Without cognitive bias, we would have colonies throughout the galaxy by now. Fuck religion.

      May 29, 2013 at 1:12 am |
  3. Ann

    Does God have a penis?

    May 28, 2013 at 2:35 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Since god is the creation of imagination, god can have anything you like.

      May 28, 2013 at 2:47 pm |
    • Alias

      Since god was created in our image, either that or boobies and a Vjay.

      May 28, 2013 at 3:02 pm |
    • George Karlson

      How could God, from whom matter came in to existence, have a penis? This question makes no sense.

      May 28, 2013 at 4:24 pm |
    • sam stone

      "How could God, from whom matter came in to existence, have a penis? This question makes no sense."

      Nor does assigning a gender to god

      May 28, 2013 at 4:27 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Nor does creating gods out of men's imaginations, then believiing they exist.

      May 28, 2013 at 4:29 pm |
    • George Karlson

      It seems we would all be in agreement then!
      Silly question Ann.

      May 28, 2013 at 4:41 pm |
    • Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk

      Well, his IS a di'ck, and has a small one.
      He also has a circulating testosterone level, which he takes Viagra to supplement.
      Otherwise we would have to call her a "she", and lordy knows, THAT would not be acceptable in a patriarchal society.

      May 29, 2013 at 8:06 am |
  4. Al

    How many kids do you think Jesus had?

    May 28, 2013 at 1:31 pm |
    • sam stone

      None, unless one of his boy toys could get pregnant

      May 28, 2013 at 1:34 pm |
    • Al

      He may have been a cool father. Jesus' son Jason, "Hey watch this guys, Dad! We're out of wine!"

      May 28, 2013 at 2:20 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Do you mean had as in ate? Which is why the catholics practice ritual cannibalism to this day?

      May 28, 2013 at 2:21 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      Yeah, Al, and how about all of those apostles? Is there anything written by or about their kids... and what they thought of their dear ol' Dads?

      May 28, 2013 at 2:27 pm |
  5. Daisycutter

    Arnt White Christians racist and extreme ?

    May 28, 2013 at 1:04 pm |
    • God 101

      That's the goal, but there are so many bleedinghearts it's hard to make progress.

      May 28, 2013 at 1:09 pm |
    • Alias

      Please accept my nomination for the worst troll of the year.

      May 28, 2013 at 1:11 pm |
    • Topher

      Don't forget "bigot." (Rolling eyes.)

      May 28, 2013 at 1:11 pm |
    • sam stone

      Hell, Gopher, you have already admitted your bigotry, and your immorality. So, roll your eyes again

      May 28, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
    • sam stone

      You have said in a discussion of gays and marriage that if following jesus made you a bigot, you were proud to carry that mantle

      You have also said that while you know that punishing one person for the sins of another is not fair, since you benefit from it, you are good with that. So much for your morality

      May 28, 2013 at 1:40 pm |
    • Science

      Chomp on the foot print ...............Bigem foot from Texas .................topher !...............EYES popimg out topher ?

      Discovery Channel Mega Beasts – Great American Predator

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/05/when-christians-become-a-hated-minority/

      May 28, 2013 at 3:28 pm |
    • Science

      What about Bigfoot ................topher ............from Texas no doubt ?

      May 28, 2013 at 4:05 pm |
    • Topher

      Science?

      I'm agnostic when it comes to Bigfoot. How about you?

      May 28, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
    • Science

      Hey topher this works better..............250 million years ago ............mass..

      http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-hadfield-himalaya-satellite-photo-2013-5?nr_email_referer=1&utm_source=Triggermail&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Science%20Select&utm_campaign=1-SCIENCE_SELECT_NEW&utm_content=emailshare

      May 28, 2013 at 7:30 pm |
  6. Honey Badger Don't Care

    I guess that if 4 of the 9 belonged to that church then that means that almost half of that church is not the right church. Maybe only half of them are true believers.

    May 28, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
  7. gladiatorgrl

    "Volunteers unload donations for tornado victims at the First Baptist Church"

    WHAT do they do with all their TAX EXEMPT MONEY? everythings ALWAYS donated

    May 28, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
    • Topher

      I can't speak for that church, but at mine it pays to keep the lights on and the bills paid.

      May 28, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
    • Observer

      Topherm,

      "I can't speak for that church, but at mine it pays to keep the lights on and the bills paid."

      You can thank all the atheists and agnostics who help subsidize your church by paying more taxes to make up for what your church doesn't pay.

      May 28, 2013 at 1:25 pm |
    • Observer

      Topher

      May 28, 2013 at 1:30 pm |
    • Observer

      Topher,

      Sorry for the misspelling. Pure typo.

      May 28, 2013 at 1:30 pm |
    • Topher

      Observer

      All the atheists and agnostics can thank my church for having the spare cash it has for those who come asking for assistance when they can't afford a meal or gas money to get to work. When rent is due and the only local place willing to help is the church.

      May 28, 2013 at 1:34 pm |
    • Topher

      Observer.

      No worries. I assumed it was an accident.

      May 28, 2013 at 1:35 pm |
    • Happy Atheist

      "All the atheists and agnostics can thank my church for having the spare cash it has for those who come asking for assistance when they can't afford a meal or gas money to get to work. When rent is due and the only local place willing to help is the church."

      That is awesome that your God magically made money out of thin air to give to people. What? He didn't? You mean all the work, the donations, the assistance all came from individual humans giving of themselves to help a neighhbor? So why give the Church credit for what individual humans did? Isn't that a bit like saying that it was the Rock in the story of Rock Soup that gave the soup it's flavor?

      May 28, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
    • Topher

      Happy Atheist

      "So why give the Church credit for what individual humans did?"

      Christians. This is Christians giving money to help. Why should the government get a piece of that? Every dime the government gets its hands on is less to help these people. How is that a benefit?

      May 28, 2013 at 1:52 pm |
    • Happy Atheist

      I said nothing about "the government" getting their hands on anyones money. What I did say is that those who give are humans, whether Christian or atheist or muslim or hindu, they are all humans being charitable so why not give the humans some credit instead of saying it was your "Church" who did all these things which is disingenuous at best. It's people helping out other people regardless of their faith, that is true generosity. If the handout comes with strings attached then it's not generosity, it's fishing, and I dislike religious opportunists who think they can throw a line in the water during a tragedy hoping to pull out a few keepers to take back to the church all while telling the helped "Don't you like the bait I used? Isn't it helping? That's God's bait you know, so follow me to my Church to get some more..."

      May 28, 2013 at 2:01 pm |
    • Topher

      Happy Atheist

      "What I did say is that those who give are humans, whether Christian or atheist or muslim or hindu, they are all humans being charitable so why not give the humans some credit instead of saying it was your "Church" who did all these things which is disingenuous at best."

      Well, for one, no one gives more as a group than Christians. Second, as Christians, we give through our church. So your attempt to disregard that fact just shows your bias. And the reason we give more than anyone else is because of what Jesus Christ did for us. He showed us the ultimate act of kindness and love, and thus we try to do the same to others, even when that's toward atheists and agnostics.

      May 28, 2013 at 2:08 pm |
    • Observer

      Topher,

      Why should atheists and agnostics have to pay more taxes to subsidize Christian HYPOCRITES spending money to prevent some of "God's other children" from having equal rights?

      May 28, 2013 at 2:12 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Topher

      A) show us the proof that christians, as a group are more giving than other groups. B) Define "giving" in this scenario. Christians give to the church which then turns around and maintains the building, or buys more wafers and wine. This isn't exactly feeding the poor. 3 (and most importantly) If christianity was so good, why are all the prisons in the US overflowing with christians? It would seem to me the only thing that makes christianity as a group stand out in this country is the highest incarceration numbers....

      May 28, 2013 at 2:15 pm |
    • Topher

      Observer

      "Why should atheists and agnostics have to pay more taxes to subsidize Christian HYPOCRITES spending money to prevent some of "God's other children" from having equal rights?"

      Well, first, you're not paying extra because of churches. And what is your example of churches spending money to prevent someone from having equal rights? Second, I could make the same argument of why should Christians have to pay so the government can give money to organizations like Planned Parenthood. This IS going on.

      May 28, 2013 at 2:17 pm |
    • Observer

      Topher,

      "Well, first, you're not paying extra because of churches. And what is your example of churches spending money to prevent someone from having equal rights?"

      Nonsense. Everyone has to pay more taxes to make up for those NOT paid by churches. They get police and fire protection just like everyone else, but don't pay for it. Get real.

      Why should others pay more taxes so the hypocrites can use that money to help oppose equal rights for gays, for instance?

      May 28, 2013 at 2:21 pm |
    • Topher

      Chuckles

      A) Google it. I'm not going to do your research for you. B) True, we have to buy things and pay the bills, but churches are the ones who have food pantries, clothing ministries, etc. 3 (3?) First of all Christians aren't "good," just forgiven. And if there's a lot of them in prison, it's either because they've changed their ways once inside and repent and trust in Christ or they're perhaps just as you said, hypocrits.

      May 28, 2013 at 2:23 pm |
    • Topher

      Observer

      "Why should others pay more taxes so the hypocrites can use that money to help oppose equal rights for gays, for instance?"

      For example? No doubt we oppose things like the recent Boy Scouts decision, but I don't know of churches paying money to take that stance. Perhaps you do? Second, gays already have the same rights I do, so your accusation is a logical fallacy.

      May 28, 2013 at 2:26 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Topher

      1) Googled, but the results were inconclusive, which is why I asked you to provide where you were getting your numbers from. What it looks like is that christians, on the whole, give more money but only due to that large population. Ration wise, they're about even with everyone else.

      2) I only bring up what the money is going towards because as fair as it is to want to keep open the building that is helping, you have to deduct the amount of "charity" that isn't really going towards charity.

      3) I only bring this up because the one area that christians outdo everyone else, both numbers and ratio wise is amount of people incarcerated. If you strictly look at the numbers if you wanted to become a certain religion and weighed all the good and bad (in terms of money spent on charity, time spent at a holy insti.tution, time spent in jail, average education, average income, etc...) it would seem that becoming a christian means you are more likely to end up in jail. I'm not saying all christians are criminals, however there's not really anything a christian can "brag" about that christians do more than everyone else (other than most jailed).

      May 28, 2013 at 2:29 pm |
    • Observer

      "'Second, gays already have the same rights I do, so your accusation is a logical fallacy."

      Wrong. It's only in TEN states with no thanks to most Christian hypocrites.

      Read a little bit about law so you understand where the FALLACY was.

      May 28, 2013 at 2:30 pm |
    • sam stone

      "gays already have the same rights I do, so your accusation is a logical fallacy."

      no they don't, gopher, and you blathering on about it just shows that you have a very large burr stuck up your backside about it

      May 28, 2013 at 2:31 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Topher –

      Hey...been a while. Actually it didn't take me long to find an example of a tax exempt religious institution funding anti-gay legislation – the Mormon church spent at least $200k on the California Proposition 8 campaign. Just one example. I know you simply stated that you were unaware of an example...now you are.

      http://saltlakecity.backpage.com/LegalServices/lds-church-push-benefited-prop-8-but-mormons-say-theyve-been-unfairly-targeted/2984349

      May 28, 2013 at 2:37 pm |
    • fred

      Chuckles
      32 percent of black males will be in prison compared to 17 percent of Hispanics and 5.9 percent of whites.

      =>sounds to me it is a problem of skin orientation not religion

      May 28, 2013 at 2:38 pm |
    • Topher

      Chuckles

      "2) I only bring up what the money is going towards because as fair as it is to want to keep open the building that is helping, you have to deduct the amount of "charity" that isn't really going towards charity."

      Fair enough. But then factor in things like who are the largest adopters, largest donations of time ...

      May 28, 2013 at 2:41 pm |
    • Topher

      Observer

      "Wrong. It's only in TEN states with no thanks to most Christian hypocrites."

      No, no, no. In those TEN states, gays have MORE rights than anyone else. In the other 40, they have the same rights as the rest of us.

      May 28, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Topher – "No, no, no. In those TEN states, gays have MORE rights than anyone else. In the other 40, they have the same rights as the rest of us."

      That's a bold assertion. Care to elaborate?

      May 28, 2013 at 2:46 pm |
    • Topher

      Really-O?

      "Hey...been a while"

      Hey, dude! What's up?

      "Actually it didn't take me long to find an example of a tax exempt religious insti.tution funding anti-gay legislation – the Mormon church spent at least $200k on the California Proposition 8 campaign."

      Fair enough. But they aren't Christians and I won't even pretend to defend them.

      May 28, 2013 at 2:48 pm |
    • Science

      topher and fredie................religion only deal !

      Vatican: Pope didn't perform exorcism...............Never has been evil like the red horn-y devil !

      By Dan Merica, CNN

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/21/vatican-pope-didnt-perform-exorcism/#comments

      May 28, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
    • sam stone

      Gopher: In some states, atheists cannot serve on juries or hold public office

      spin that, gopher

      May 28, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
    • sam stone

      "But they aren't Christians and I won't even pretend to defend them."

      Gosh, we are so honored to have you to tell us who are and who aren't Christians......thank you, thank you, thank you for your fountain of wisdom

      May 28, 2013 at 2:54 pm |
    • Science

      topher and fredie the fairy in the sky DID NOT create US or is that to simple for you ?

      May 28, 2013 at 2:54 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Topher – "Fair enough. But they aren't Christians and I won't even pretend to defend them."

      The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops also contributed $200k to the prop 8 campaign; they're Christians, right?

      http://ebar.com/news/article.php?sec=news&article=3805

      May 28, 2013 at 2:55 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Topher – "Hey, dude! What's up?"

      Not much. Hope all is well with you.

      May 28, 2013 at 2:57 pm |
    • Topher

      Science

      I know you like to provide links for us all to go read. And I'm sure we all appreciate it. But here's something for you to read.

      The Bible vs. Science Then vs. Science Now

      The earth is a sphere (Isaiah 40:22) — The earth was a flat disk —The earth is a sphere

      Innumerable stars (Jeremiah 33:22) — Only 1,100 stars —Innumerable stars

      Free float of earth in space (Job 26:7) — Earth sat on a large animal —Free float of earth in space

      Creation made of invisible elements (Hebrews 11:3) —Science ignorant on the subject —Creation made of invisible elements (atoms)

      Each star is different (1 Corinthians 15:41) — All stars the same —Each star is different

      Light moves (Job 38:19-20) —Light was fixed in place — Light moves

      Air has weight —Air is weightless —Air has weight

      Winds blow in cyclones (Ecclesiastes 1:6) —Winds blew straight —Winds blow in cyclones

      Blood is the source of life and health (Lev. 17:11) — Sick people must be bled — Blood is the source of life and health

      Ocean floor contains deep valleys and mountains (2 Sam. 22:16; Jonah 2:6) —Ocean floor is flat — Ocean floor contains deep valleys and mountains

      Ocean contains springs (Job 38:16) —Ocean fed only by rivers and rain — Ocean contains springs

      When dealing with disease, hands should be washed under running water (Lev. 15:13) — Hands washed in still water — When dealing with disease, hands should be washed under running water

      May 28, 2013 at 2:58 pm |
    • Colin

      Topher, how is it that gays have more rights than straight people in states where gays can marry?

      May 28, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
    • Topher

      Really-O?

      "Not much. Hope all is well with you."

      Same to you.

      May 28, 2013 at 3:00 pm |
    • Dan

      "Well, for one, no one gives more as a group than Christians."

      How much would that be if you don't count the $6 billion the Catholic Church has spent paying victims of it's abuse to keep quiet?

      May 28, 2013 at 3:05 pm |
    • Science

      OUTSIDE link too topher......................urls cool science..............make sure to bookmark !

      The point where religious speech becomes hate speech is difficult to define, though, scholars and activists say. The Southern Poverty Law Center in Alabama is a nonprofit civil rights group that combats and monitors hate groups. Three years ago, it... Full Article at CNN

      http://legalnews.findlaw.com/article/0bj7cdy2zIcqA?q=law+OR+lawsuit+OR+legal+OR+%28court+AND+law%29

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/05/when-christians-become-a-hated-minority/

      May 28, 2013 at 3:06 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Topher, What are your sources for science then and science now quotes? You do know that there are different versions of the bible with different verses?

      May 28, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
    • Happy Atheist

      Well hopefully you don't mind if I thank the people doing the giving and not the "Con"glomerate that is organized religion that does far more taking than giving. For all those who have given to those in need, thank you, regardless of your faith or lack there of.

      May 28, 2013 at 3:13 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Topher, I checked one of your quotes at random
      New International Version (NIV)
      Job 38:19-20
      19 “What is the way to the abode of light?
      And where does darkness reside?
      20 Can you take them to their places?
      Do you know the paths to their dwellings?

      Doesn't seem to say or imply what you quote.

      May 28, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
    • sam stone

      "That's a bold assertion. Care to elaborate?"

      Do you seriously expect that Gopher would back up his assertions?

      He will make some excuse and run like the coward he is

      May 28, 2013 at 3:25 pm |
    • Joey

      Going with Topher's absurd notion that gay people have the right to marry people of the opposite s.ex, just like everyone else, it would seem that in the states that allow gay marriage straight people are not banned from marring people of the same s.ex. So in the end, at least according to Topher, everyone would still have the same rights.

      May 28, 2013 at 3:46 pm |
    • Colin

      Topher, I have seen claims like your above aboutthe Bible being scientifically accurate. I randomly chose one of your assertions, Job 19-20 abought light moving or being stationery. I looked it up. Here is what Job 19-20 says – it is part of an alleged conversation between God and Job

      "“What is the way to the abode of light?
      And where does darkness reside?
      20 Can you take them to their places?
      Do you know the paths to their dwellings?"

      How in God's name do you extrapolate anything about light moving from that?

      May 28, 2013 at 3:53 pm |
    • Topher

      Colin

      "How ... do you extrapolate anything about light moving from that?"

      You need to read the entire passage to get things in context. So when you get to "What is the way to the abode of light?", what it is saying is there is no abode of light, because it keeps moving. It doesn't remain in one place.

      May 28, 2013 at 4:06 pm |
  8. Alias

    Am I the only one who is still pissed off that the only article the blog posted about the Boyscouts letting in gays was not open for comments?
    Maybe if the post wasn't so misguided I would have gotten over it by now.

    May 28, 2013 at 12:40 pm |
    • Topher

      I also wondered about that. Were the comments ever opened? Did people cross a line and CNN closed it? Or was it always closed ... which would be kind of against the point of Belief Blog.

      May 28, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
    • Madtown

      CNN must've just rightly realized that many here couldn't handle themselves with the topic, and rather than let it degenerate into a demonstration of the dark side of humanity, they just never opened it up.

      May 28, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
    • Topher

      Doesn't it strike you as odd that a media outlet is constricting freedom of speech?

      May 28, 2013 at 12:59 pm |
    • midwest rail

      There are NO 1st Amendment issues involved when commenting on a private corporation's website. None.

      May 28, 2013 at 1:00 pm |
    • Vic

      I think it is a liability issue on the part of CNN as well as the user!

      May 28, 2013 at 1:02 pm |
    • Chuckles

      I thought it pretty outrageous, both the article itself and then CNN not allowing folks to comment on it. I mean, I read enough of the article to realize the guy was pis.sed at the boyscouts for letting gay youth in and not that the boyscouts undermined that vote by not allowing gay scout leaders was the most ridiculous thing I had read in a while.

      May 28, 2013 at 1:04 pm |
    • Topher

      I'm not sure what they'd be afraid of. The topic has been discussed before. And even the topics that don't involve the Boy Scouts get pretty feisty. Not sure why they'd think that one would be more so.

      May 28, 2013 at 1:08 pm |
    • Alias

      Liability?
      How could CNN be held responsible for anonymous comments?

      May 28, 2013 at 1:09 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Maybe the explosion of hate for the author (or for gay people in support of the author) would be so great that the CNN servers would be rocked and shut down so CNN decided that instead of just not posting the article, they would just shut down the comments.

      May 28, 2013 at 1:13 pm |
    • Akira

      Perhaps it was a preemptive strike against Douglas's "gay coitus" posts.

      May 28, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
    • Topher

      Perhaps CNN is afraid of being audited by the IRS. 😉

      May 28, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Well played, Akira !

      May 28, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
    • Alias

      This looks like a good spot for a conspiracy theory:
      Maybe the article was posted by someone with connsctions at CNN. They all knew if he posted that article it would upset many people. So they shut down the comments just so people would go to the author's posted web site – and bring in revenue from all the hits.

      As there is no proof that this is wrong, I'm sure you will all agree with me that I'm right.

      May 28, 2013 at 1:19 pm |
    • Vic

      Online bullying CAN BE RULED a crime just like in person. Every user's IP Address is retained by Host's web server along with their comments!

      Plus, this subject has been one of the most sensitive ever that things can somehow spiral out of control! Remember what happened in 1995 after a Jenny Jones Show episode about a similar topic!

      May 28, 2013 at 1:21 pm |
    • Topher

      What happened on Jenny Jones?

      May 28, 2013 at 1:24 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Vic, What bullying are you referring to on this site?

      May 28, 2013 at 1:25 pm |
    • sam stone

      Gopher: Freedom of speech does not apply to private companies

      May 28, 2013 at 1:27 pm |
    • { ! }

      Gays in the Scouts. In the past, the Scouts were about developing strong character and ability. But the BSA must now conform to the times. In otherwords, it has to start thinking out of its pants.

      May 28, 2013 at 1:30 pm |
    • Alias

      Vic
      I think we dissagree a lot on magnatude and context.
      Jenny Jones allowed a gay person to confess their feeling for a straight person and aired it on national TV! This is just a bunch of people you can't identify insulting each other over different opinions and beliefs.
      Hardly a valid comparison.

      May 28, 2013 at 1:30 pm |
    • Vic

      I just looked it up, here we go:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jenny_Jones_Show#Controversy

      May 28, 2013 at 1:30 pm |
    • sam stone

      what had jenny jones to do with it?

      May 28, 2013 at 1:30 pm |
    • Chuckles

      @Vic

      You can't be arrested for online bullying. It's a crime insofar as a real crime is committed and the use of records and cyberbullying can be used to add more punishment to the proceedings. I can call you any number of things on the internet and the feds won't come busting down my door. As a private companies, my company I work for could kick me off the internet, or CNN could ban me from the comments, but no one would be arrested.

      May 28, 2013 at 1:54 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Vic, What bullying are you referring to on this site?

      May 28, 2013 at 2:00 pm |
    • Cherilyn B

      I would like to read the article you are discussing. Does anyone know the approximate date of publication?

      May 28, 2013 at 2:04 pm |
    • Happy Atheist

      It makes me a little bit sad that the old school tradition of making the child who didn't know the answer because he didn't study stand in the corner with a dunce cap on his head is no longer in use. If it were Vic would be over there in the corner crying and vowing under his breath how he's going to sue the school for this kind of treatment.

      His logic is comical while his head wear is conical.

      May 28, 2013 at 2:07 pm |
    • Alias

      Cherilyn B
      it is still on the Main page of this Blog.

      May 28, 2013 at 3:04 pm |
    • Vic

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Megan_Meier

      May 28, 2013 at 4:22 pm |
  9. Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk

    The god(s) send them a tornado, and then they "draw near to them".
    Humans will twist anything to maintain their delusions.
    Thank you Jebus. Send us another tornado.

    May 28, 2013 at 10:40 am |
    • Alias

      Kind of like, "Thank you sir, may I have another" ?

      May 28, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
    • Topher

      "And he answered them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered in this way? No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them: do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who lived in Jerusalem? No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”

      Luke 13:2-5

      May 28, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
    • Alias

      @Topher
      You are more on topic than usual, but that doesn't really answer and questions.
      People died, so those of us still living had better learn our lesson and repent! Even though those that died were not killed for any particular reason.

      May 28, 2013 at 12:45 pm |
    • sam stone

      Gopher: Your threats are more empty "blah, blah, fvcking blah"

      May 28, 2013 at 12:55 pm |
    • Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk

      Topher,
      For yeah I verily say unto thee, forsooth, yeah, unless ya shall speaketh in strangeth Englisheth, thou sholt not be perceiveth as religiousleth, and noteth be a churcheth lady. Delusions 13:15

      May 29, 2013 at 8:03 am |
  10. catholic engineer

    As an Okie, I've seen a lot of this whether violence over the years. The question, "Where was God" is naturally on many minds. But, a person pinned helplessly under tornado wreckage can well understand a man pinned helplessly to a cross. A blood donor selflessly bleeding for the sake of another is well connected to that same man, bleeding for the sake of others. And a person who has watched another suffer and die understands Mary at the foot of the cross.

    I think that's why Christian sentiment is so strong at these times. The gospel is always relevant because it is always found in the center of our human condition.

    May 28, 2013 at 9:27 am |
    • Science

      .catholic engineer............Biggest JOKE under the SUN.................NO heaven or horn-y red devil..........never has been !

      Heaven for atheists? Pope sparks debate

      By Dan Merica, CNN

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/23/heaven-for-atheists-pope-sparks-debate/comment-page-43/#comment-2372761

      PS Do a simple search for Prof. Higgs.............the church hates that.

      May 28, 2013 at 9:51 am |
    • Arnold

      That’s so mean.

      May 28, 2013 at 9:56 am |
    • tallulah13

      I've given over a gallon of blood and never once thought of your Jesus. I simply thought it was the right thing to do. Like when I give to the local food bank or give to a local charity. I don't do it for supernatural brownie points. I just do it to help others.

      I guess it's just a human thing. We feel tied to our fellow humans and have the empathy to understand the pain of others, and that's why we give.

      May 28, 2013 at 9:57 am |
    • Pete

      catholic engineer
      I'm sure that people in those situations could relate to any number of literary characters, not just this particular one. Besides, can it truly be said that Christ hung "helplessly" on the cross? He had the power to save himself, didn't he? Choosing to act helpless isn't the same as actually being trapped like these people were.

      May 28, 2013 at 10:03 am |
    • GOD ALMIGHTY

      You keep shittin on the Holy Spirit, papist smear. I guess you ain't doin no magic today.
      Jesus shit on you instead and so did I.

      May 28, 2013 at 10:10 am |
    • { ! }

      My goodness. From the responses to CE, seems like the atheist are so very fragile. Governed by emotion, not reason (whatever they think Reason means.)

      May 28, 2013 at 10:21 am |
    • Doobs

      @ {!}

      How so? Could you point specifically to what was said that is so "emotionally governed"? Since when is a simple response a sign of "fragility"?

      Seems to me that the christian god is the fragile one. It needs its "creations" to defend it.

      May 28, 2013 at 10:31 am |
    • catholic engineer

      @tallulah13
      Christianity is not about ordinary love. Christianity is about radical love. "Loving your enemies", "doing good to those who hate you", "laying down one's life for his friends." When you gave that blood you were closer to the radical love of Christianity than you realized. And you gave that blood not knowing whether the blood would to to a child or a child molester. Jesus accepted the sinner. You gave blood not knowing whether it would be transfused into a child or child molester. Maybe you unwittingly accepted a sinner?

      May 28, 2013 at 10:31 am |
    • ME II

      @{!},
      I don't see either @tallulay13 nor @pete's response as being emotional but rather well reasoned. And, @God Almighty, appears to just be a troll.

      May 28, 2013 at 10:33 am |
    • catholic engineer

      Doobs, the Christian god is not fragile. He displaced the pantheon of pagan gods in the time of Abraham, and survived everything from Nero to Stalin.

      May 28, 2013 at 10:35 am |
    • ME II

      sorry, "tallulah13"

      May 28, 2013 at 10:37 am |
    • sam stone

      "When you gave that blood you were closer to the radical love of Christianity than you realized. "

      When did Christianity get a patent on compassion?

      May 28, 2013 at 10:40 am |
    • ME II

      @catholic engineer,
      "He displaced the pantheon of pagan gods in the time of Abraham, and survived everything from Nero to Stalin."

      One might argue that it was not the same "God" that did all those things, but a evolving concept of a god that adapted to the necessities of the time.

      May 28, 2013 at 10:40 am |
    • GOD ALMIGHTY

      Not fragile? I am broke! Please send me money or I'll burn you alive for 23gazillion years because I love you and want to punish you for something some other people did. That's how much I love you or else. Fear me or be a fool. Moneymoneymoney!!!

      May 28, 2013 at 10:42 am |
    • Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk

      The gospels are never relevant. An ancient pis'sed-off deity NEEDS his son to die, so he feels better. Right. You REALLY "need" that sh'1t.

      May 28, 2013 at 10:42 am |
    • sam stone

      Perhaps "sin" is a man made concept and are only relevant to those who accept it

      May 28, 2013 at 10:43 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      I think Catholic Engineer's point is perfectly valid.
      You don't have to believe in the supernatural to recognize that the Bible is remarkably insightful when it comes to illustrating (albeit allegorically) the vices and virtues that drive human nature.

      May 28, 2013 at 10:46 am |
    • Vic

      Hebrews 9:25,26

      "25 nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. 26 Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself."

      New American Standard Bible (NASB)
      http://www.bibleateway.com/

      May 28, 2013 at 10:47 am |
    • Doobs

      So your imaginary god displaced all the other imaginary gods in the time of the imaginary Abraham? You do realize that millions of people all over the world believe in gods other than yours, don't you?

      Any god that needs its imperfect creations to defend it is a fragile god.

      May 28, 2013 at 10:51 am |
    • Science

      Hey Vic................. Joke is on the church you know !

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/21/vatican-pope-didnt-perform-exorcism/comment-page-9/#comment-2372828

      May 28, 2013 at 10:56 am |
    • ME II

      @Doc Vestibule,
      I don't disagree that there is meaningful insight into human behavior in the Bible, but I don't think that was @catholic engineer's point. IMO

      May 28, 2013 at 10:59 am |
    • catholic engineer

      @Arnold "That's so mean." The human condition is mean. Christians don't talk about a disinterested deity sitting comfortably in the sky. If such a Being expressed himself to humans in any meaningful way, it would involve love. He would reveal himself humanly. This would mean assuming and suffering the same human condition we do.

      May 28, 2013 at 11:09 am |
    • In Santa we trust

      I see Vic is the new HeavenSent

      May 28, 2013 at 11:13 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @catholic engineer
      God describes His primary characteristic as jealousy.
      Most of the divine interventions in the Bible are instances of bloody wrath.
      Given His track record, I'd expect any future manifestations to be equally gruesome.

      May 28, 2013 at 11:16 am |
    • catholic engineer

      @Doc Vestibule "God describes His primary characteristic as jealousy.' Admittedly, God appears that way. But humans have a long history of putting words into God's mouth. Sometimes, God looks more like his followers than he does God. But what DOES God look like? To me, we can only see His fingerprints.
      sam stone above asked, "When did Christianity get a patent on compassion?" Christianity didn't get a patents on compassion. But compassion seems more likely to have come from a Higher Source than from the brutal workings of nature.

      May 28, 2013 at 11:28 am |
    • Timodeus

      CE, as a fellow Okie and believer, and after seeing these hateful remarks, remember these words "Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you and tell all kind of evil lies against you because of me."

      May 28, 2013 at 11:31 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @catholic engineer
      If the words of the 10 Commandments can't be trusted becuase man has put words in God's mouth, then why put any stock in the rest of the Bible?

      May 28, 2013 at 11:34 am |
    • LMAO!

      ""Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you and tell all kind of evil lies against you because of me.""

      So when they are talking about what the bible actually says you're using the bible to tell them they are lying. LMAO!

      May 28, 2013 at 11:35 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      CE
      You said ' But compassion seems more likely to have come from a Higher Source than from the brutal workings of nature."
      Incorrect. It is BECAUSE of the brutal workiing of nature that species that work together will survive better, creating compassion OUT OF the brutality of nature.
      Survival of the fitest often is survival of the species by means of empathy, sympathy and co-operation to help the species survive...we see it at the lowest levels of life to the top.

      May 28, 2013 at 11:46 am |
    • catholic engineer

      @Timodeus Thanks so much. You know, a believer on this page always feels like a batter with five pitchers winding up at the same time.

      May 28, 2013 at 11:51 am |
    • catholic engineer

      @Doc Vestibule Do you not trust the words of the Ten Commandments? The laws of the land look an awful lot like them. Should we not trust civil law either? Humans were infallible when developing a system of laws.

      May 28, 2013 at 11:53 am |
    • Science

      CE..........This might help if you bookmark IT OK .

      http://legalnews.findlaw.com/article/0bj7cdy2zIcqA?q=law+OR+lawsuit+OR+legal+OR+%28court+AND+law%29

      May 28, 2013 at 11:54 am |
    • sam stone

      wow, vic....a cut and paste....very impressive indeed

      May 28, 2013 at 11:56 am |
    • catholic engineer

      @ ME II "One might argue that it was not the same "God" that did all those things, but a evolving concept of a god that adapted to the necessities of the time." Well, that's a plausible argument. But I see the scriptures as a chronicle of humanity's emerging relationship – and understanding – of God. Over time, the more man understood himself, the more he discovered about his Author. After all, the primary instrument for knowing God is the human person, not scientific instruments.

      May 28, 2013 at 11:58 am |
    • sam stone

      "...humans have a long history of putting words into God's mouth..."

      It is because humans CREATED god

      May 28, 2013 at 11:59 am |
    • sam stone

      timmy: i see you have that persecution complex thing all fired up

      May 28, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • sam stone

      ce: it is because folks like you and timmy are batting with toothpicks

      May 28, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
    • catholic engineer

      @Richard Cranium "Survival of the fitest often is survival of the species by means of empathy, sympathy and co-operation to help the species survive...we see it at the lowest levels of life to the top.' That seems mostly reasonable. But there are many people on the planet that Social Darwinism would consider a threat to the species. But we – atheists and believers – show them compassion anyway.

      May 28, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
    • catholic engineer

      @sam stone "timmy: i see you have that persecution complex thing all fired up" No, sam. When someone insults us we feel insulted. No need to look for a persecution complex here.

      May 28, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
    • sam stone

      "The laws of the land look an awful lot like them"

      Really? How many of the ten commandments are represented in the laws of the land?
      "Thou shalt have no other gods"

      Not a law

      "No graven images or likenesses"

      Not a law

      "thou shalt not take the LORD's name in vain"

      Not a law

      "Remember the sabbath day"

      Not a law

      "Honour thy father and thy mother"

      Not a law

      "Thou shalt not kill"

      A law, but not unique to Christianity

      "Thou shalt not commit adultery"

      Is this a criminal law?

      "Thou shalt not steal"
      A law, but not unique to Christianity

      "Thou shall not bear false witness"
      Not a law

      "Thou shall not covet"

      Not a law.

      You sure got us there.......2 or 3 out of the ten are represented in our laws...;.practically god's own signature....

      Does it hurt to be so delusional?

      May 28, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
    • Doobs

      "But humans have a long history of putting words into God's mouth. "

      Another example of what a weakling the christian god is. It's not even able to speak for itself.

      BTW, you never did respond to me above about your god displacing all other gods in the time of Abraham.

      May 28, 2013 at 12:18 pm |
    • sam stone

      the false witness thing only applies if you are under oath

      May 28, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
    • sam stone

      "No need to look for a persecution complex here."

      I agree. It is obvious.

      May 28, 2013 at 12:20 pm |
    • sam stone

      the insults are not because you follow christ. it is because you are pompous

      May 28, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
    • catholic engineer

      @ sam stone "Thou shalt not have strange gods...." A secular correlary to this would be , "Don't turn anything into an obsession or addiction so that it won't rule life as though it were your god.

      "Thou shalt not covet." Not a law. But the commandmant sees further: if you don't control your covetness, you and others can get into trouble.

      "Thou shalt not bear false witness" Every been sued for libel?

      "Thou shalt not commit adultery" Not specifically a law. But adultery is legal grounds for divorce.

      "Honor your father and mother" Again, the commandment goes further. We all know that honoring our parents is generally a good thing.

      May 28, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
    • rh

      IIRC, didn't Jesus himself say "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?".

      Then why is there all this hubbub about whether God doesn't care? Even Jesus doubted him, and obviously did a big turnaround.

      May 28, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
    • sam stone

      "Don't turn anything into an obsession or addiction so that it won't rule life as though it were your god. "

      Again, not a law

      "But the commandmant sees further: if you don't control your covetness, you and others can get into trouble."

      Again, not a law

      " Every been sued for libel?"

      Fair enough, and no.

      "Not specifically a law"

      Which is why is said, it is not a law

      We are back to being 3 out of ten being represented in our laws. Hardly a mandate

      "But adultery is legal grounds for divorce."

      So can a lot of things that are not in our law

      "Honor your father and mother" Again, the commandment goes further. We all know that honoring our parents is generally a good thing.

      May 28, 2013 at 12:32 pm |
    • sam stone

      "Again, the commandment goes further. We all know that honoring our parents is generally a good thing"

      Yes it is, but it is....you should be used to this by now.....it is NOT A LAW.

      May 28, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
    • catholic engineer

      @rh "IIRC, didn't Jesus himself say "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?"." If God took on the human condition, it means the whole enchelada, no exceptions. God experienced the human condition even to the point of feeling abandoned by God.

      May 28, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
    • sam stone

      3 out of 10 will get you a hall of fame nomination in baseball, but it is hardly a mandate from god through our SECULAR laws

      May 28, 2013 at 12:35 pm |
    • sam stone

      isn't being a sinner part of the human condition?

      May 28, 2013 at 12:37 pm |
    • sam stone

      god felt abandoned by himself?

      May 28, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
    • catholic engineer

      @ sam stone " the insults are not because you follow christ. it is because you are pompous" Well, appologies is I sound pompous. But please remember its hard to convey tone of voice in electronic communications.

      May 28, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
    • Vic

      @rh "....."

      Jesus Christ when on earth was fully man AND fully God! He confined Himself to the realm of a human being. The man Jesus fully supplicated God the Father for clemency in the Garden of Gethsemane!

      May 28, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
    • catholic engineer

      @Doobs "BTW, you never did respond to me above about your god displacing all other gods in the time of Abraham." Great Sott, Man. Give a person a break. I made a simple post and in response I get an Oklahoma hail storm !

      We believe that the monotheist view of God is more worthy of acceptance. Does this mean we believe all the other ideas of God are wrong? No. Just on the points where we differ. (Even scientists use this approach.)

      May 28, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
    • Vic

      @rh "....."

      Jesus Christ when on earth was fully man AND fully God! He confined Himself to the realm of a human being. The man Jesus fully supplicated God the Father for clemency in the Garden of Gethsemane and on the Cross!

      May 28, 2013 at 12:43 pm |
    • sam stone

      how do you purport to speak for god using any media that doesn't sound pompous?

      May 28, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @ce,

      "Thou shalt not commit adultery" Not specifically a law. But adultery is legal grounds for divorce.

      Not in states with 'no fault' divorce laws. It might lead to divorce, but in many states adultery is not illegal.

      May 28, 2013 at 12:50 pm |
    • catholic engineer

      @sam stone "how do you purport to speak for god using any media that doesn't sound pompous?" I don't purport to speak for God. I puroport to express my understanding of him.
      BTW, does anybody still believe that the CNN Faith blog is a place for sane discussion? (Never mind. I've already been told that I'm nuts for believing in God.)

      May 28, 2013 at 12:59 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Vic
      It is impossible for him to be fully man and fully god. Part of being a gosd is not limitations, part of being human is limitations. You cannot have both.

      Why would and omniscient god need any experience as a man? Being Omniscient, he would already know what it would be like, and he is the one that created us with the limitations.

      I find it most difficult to believe that people actually think any of this is reality. Just baffling.

      May 28, 2013 at 1:00 pm |
    • sam stone

      okay, fair enough, CE: as long as you state it as an opinion, that is fine

      May 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm |
    • sam stone

      CE: Where do you get the idea that man is sinful?

      May 28, 2013 at 1:09 pm |
    • catholic engineer

      sam stone

      "Where do you get the idea that man is sinful?" Because humanity seems to be broken. Like in Oklahoma, atheists or believers can show great compassion. On the other hand, his scientists will figure out a way to cause nuclear megadeath. Man might be the confused product of blind stupid nature and nothing more. But if we are "broken", it implies that something is less than ideal about us. The ideal would be to exist as the creature God intended. Sin is what brings about the "brokeness". Acknowledging sin can lead us to transcend our more vulger impulses. If we're only the brutes of nature, then there's ultimately no meaning and nothing meaningful to strive for.

      May 28, 2013 at 1:42 pm |
    • sam stone

      "Because humanity seems to be broken."

      Compared to when?

      "But if we are "broken", it implies that something is less than ideal about us."

      Unless we are designed that way. In that case, we are not broken, we are functioning as designed

      "The ideal would be to exist as the creature God intended. Sin is what brings about the "brokeness"."

      We have not established that man is "broken", only that it appears that way.

      "Acknowledging sin can lead us to transcend our more vulger impulses"

      Acknowledging our vulgar nature can lead us to acknowledge that we are human.

      "If we're only the brutes of nature, then there's ultimately no meaning and nothing meaningful to strive for."

      There is meaning in individual lives

      If we are only here for a short time before we go to a heaven or hell, then this life is essentially meaningless

      May 28, 2013 at 3:18 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Sam Stoic came home to his wife and family...?

      Doesn't have quite the same ring to it.

      May 28, 2013 at 4:47 pm |
  11. sam stone

    "This Universe And Life In It (PHYSICAL) ARE "Prima Facie" EVIDENCE Of God (METAPHYSICAL)"

    You take the POSSIBILITY of a creator and use it to infer the character of the creator?

    Nothing arrogant about that.

    May 28, 2013 at 8:20 am |
    • sam stone

      that was for vic

      May 28, 2013 at 8:20 am |
    • Mirosal

      just because there is life does not mean a "god" did it. That would be like saying that because there are teeth there MUST be a tooth fairy.

      May 28, 2013 at 8:47 am |
    • Kevo

      @Mirosal

      An EW? Surface ship? Med by chance?

      May 28, 2013 at 9:00 am |
    • Pete

      Sam
      The other fallacy with Vic's idea is that, if you are going to entertain one possibility not supported by any evidence, you have to entertain all such possibilities, and that would include not only all other creation stories, but pretty much every other possibility that we can imagine and allowing for any that we can't as well. Once you remove the requirement that your hypothesis needs to be supported by some evidence, absolutely any explanation, no matter how childish, is just as valid as there being some creator god. Why not? It's not like creationists can use logic to discredit the idea that we're all just Sims living in some computer game somewhere, or that our universe isn't just a dream some other being is having.

      May 28, 2013 at 10:16 am |
    • Vic

      For the benefit of the reader:

      Metaphysical is NOT a character, it is a form/state of being!

      May 28, 2013 at 10:58 am |
    • The real Tom

      All the italics and bolds in the world won't make you look any more sane than Loopy, Vicky, dear.

      May 28, 2013 at 10:59 am |
    • sam stone

      for vic: your quotes mean anything only to those who accept the valitidity of the source

      May 28, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
  12. William Demuth

    The children are dead due to the negligence of the community and its leaders.

    This town was devastated twice in living memory, and on both occasions received huge amounts of aid from MY tax dollars.

    Perhaps if they were to get their heads out of their Bibles and get even the basics done, I would not be subjected to yet another redneck tax grab that will be once again be squandered on football teams and religious indoctrination in the schools rather than building facilities that wont fall down when the wind blows.

    May 28, 2013 at 8:07 am |
    • nclaw441

      Demuth– To my knowledge there has been no investigation into whether any sort of shelter would have been reachable or effective in this "wind blowing" event as you call it. This was a catastrophe and a storm of truly epic strength. Could more have been done? That is always the case, but I suggest that perhaps it is a bit early to b!tch and complain while people continue to suffer. I am conservative, and I don't like high taxes any more than others who pay them, but is seems to me that this is the kind of thing those taxes ought to be used for (provided that government can use the money efficiently, which is a whole different argument).

      These folks didn't seek this disaster. It came to them. A little human compassion is what this story is about, and we could all stand to give a little more of that– it IS free.

      May 28, 2013 at 8:20 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      There's never been a better time to start in life-
      It ain't too early and it ain't too late!
      Starting as a farmer with a brand new wife-
      Still be living in a brand-new state!
      Brand new state-
      gonna treat you great!
      Gonna buy you barley, carrots and pertaters,
      Pasture for the cattle, spinich and termaters,
      Flowers on the prarie where the June bugs zoom,
      Plen'y of air and plen'y of room,
      Plen'y of room to swing a rope!
      Plen'y of heart and plen'y of hope.

      OOOOk-lahoma, where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain,
      And the wavin' wheat can sure smell sweet, When the wind comes right behind the rainQ
      OOOOk-lahoma, Ev'ry night my honey lamb and I, Sit alone and talk and watch a hawk makin' lazy circles in the sky.

      We know we belong to the land (yo-ho)
      And the land we belong to is grand!
      And when we say
      Yeeow! Aye-yip-aye-yo-ee-ay!
      We're only sayin'
      You're doin' fine, Oklahoma!
      Oklahoma O.K.!

      Ooook-lahoma, where the wind comes sweepin' down the plain
      And the wavin' wheat can sure smell sweet
      When the wind comes right behind the rain.
      Oklahoma, Ev'ry night my honey lamb and I
      Sit alone and talk and watch a hawk
      Makin' lazy circles in the sky.

      We know we belong to the land
      And the land we belong to is grand!
      And when we say
      Yeeow! Ayipioeeay!
      We're only sayin'
      You're doin' fine, Oklahoma!
      Oklahoma O.K.

      Okla-okla-Okla-Okla-Okla-Okla
      Okla-okla-Okla-Okla-Okla-Okla...

      We know we belong to the land
      And the land we belong to is grand!
      And when we say
      Yeeow! Aye-yip-aye-yo-ee-ay!
      We're only sayin'
      You're doin' fine, Oklahoma!
      Oklahoma
      O.K. L – A – H – O – M – A
      OKLAHOMA!
      Yeeow!

      Oscar Hammerstein

      May 28, 2013 at 8:20 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Actually, William is right. Federal money for disaster relief should come with preconditions – whatever is appropriate to restrain poor fools from setting themselves up for more of the same.

      May 28, 2013 at 8:26 am |
    • The real Tom

      TTTOO, good job, there. Now I'll have an earworm for the rest of the day. Good thing it's a great song.

      May 28, 2013 at 11:02 am |
  13. I Am Smarter Than You. Test Me.

    Keve is threatened by my superior intellect and that is ok.

    May 28, 2013 at 6:03 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      And we are joined by another who missed the reply button! Welcome to the internet, smart guy! LOL

      May 28, 2013 at 6:15 am |
    • wayne

      if you are so smart explain psalm 8:8; what are: "...the paths of the sea..."

      May 28, 2013 at 10:54 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      How do you trisect an angle using nothing but a straight edge and a compass?

      May 28, 2013 at 11:08 am |
    • Alias

      @Richard
      Obviously, you find nautical East then draw 2 lines through the angle.

      May 28, 2013 at 11:56 am |
  14. Jimmy G.

    "I'm too sexy for Milan, New York, and Japan."♫

    May 28, 2013 at 5:56 am |
  15. Kevo

    @ Jimmy G....indeed, expectations are a greedy animal.

    May 28, 2013 at 5:36 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      @Kevo
      I expected my post above to go down below similar to yours. Isn't this fun? 😀

      May 28, 2013 at 6:13 am |
    • Kevo

      I was sure I hit REPLY! Honest!

      May 28, 2013 at 6:36 am |
    • Alias

      Kevo,

      I believe you. It happens to me too!
      Of course, Bigfoot helped me put out my campfire and Nessie saved me from drowning once, but the brokem reply button ..... you can trust us there.

      May 28, 2013 at 12:11 pm |
  16. I Am Smarter Than You. Test Me.

    Ask me anything.

    May 28, 2013 at 4:32 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      Smarter in what way? On what topics? And how do you know this to be true?

      May 28, 2013 at 5:09 am |
    • I Am Smarter Than You. Test Me.

      @Jimmy G.

      Anything. Ask and learn. There is nothing I don't know.

      May 28, 2013 at 5:16 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      Could you explain in what way you are smarter?
      Do you know anything or do you just google everything and copypasta everyone to death.
      We've had plenty of that already, thx.

      May 28, 2013 at 5:18 am |
    • Kevo

      What is the usable sonobuoy loadout of the S-3B?

      May 28, 2013 at 5:18 am |
    • Kevo

      ....Still awaiting your answer....

      May 28, 2013 at 5:22 am |
    • Kevo

      ....(Damn, these crickets are getting louder and louder.....)

      May 28, 2013 at 5:25 am |
    • Kevo

      @ I Am Smarter Than You. Test Me.

      ....ummm....not so much....

      May 28, 2013 at 5:27 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      So easy to stump the ignorant ones. The internet is a vasty place but it does not reach all places or information.

      May 28, 2013 at 5:29 am |
    • Kevo

      It's the smart ones that are always so disappointing....

      May 28, 2013 at 5:30 am |
    • Science

      Kevo...............Viking ?

      Peace

      May 28, 2013 at 5:31 am |
    • Jimmy G.

      @Kevo
      Well, I aim to please only myself since I cannot guarantee the reactions of anyone else.
      I think your expectations are unrealistic in some way if you do not encounter the results you expect.

      May 28, 2013 at 5:33 am |
    • Kevo

      Hi, Science...yes sir!

      May 28, 2013 at 5:34 am |
    • Kevo

      @ Jimmy....indeed, expectations are a greedy animal.

      May 28, 2013 at 5:37 am |
    • I Am Smarter Than You. Test Me.

      Kevo, your question not logical. Please form he question in a manner that can be answered.

      May 28, 2013 at 5:37 am |
    • Kevo

      Smart(er)? 19 Minutes and that's all you can come up with?...Perhaps, to you, simple questions (or ones you can't get a simple Google/Bing answer too) are not of "logic."

      You have been tested.

      You have failed.

      However, google "S-3B images"...find a picture of one showing it's underside...count the number of holes in the aft section of the aircraft, and subtract one for the SAR buoy...

      then, even you will have a "logical" answer.

      May 28, 2013 at 5:43 am |
    • Kevo

      ...oh, and Smart(er)...show your intellectual capacity by correctly typing your sentence...though that might not qualify as "logic" for you, either.

      May 28, 2013 at 5:45 am |
    • Science

      Hi Kevo

      The Swiss army knife of naval aviation ..

      and

      GOOD NEWS...............faith the peachy one......chad too.......you know all creationists too......... story = truth !

      http://www.ibtimes.com/atheists-fight-gideon-bibles-books-christopher-hitchens-richard-dawkins-georgia-state-parks-
      1271125

      Science books and education TRUMPS the 666 beast and the red horn-y devil !

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/05/when-christians-become-a-hated-minority/

      Have a great life and Memorial day.

      Peace

      PS...........by the way there has NEVER been a red horn-y devil.

      Do a simple search for Prof. Higgs .............the church hates that.

      May 28, 2013 at 5:47 am |
    • Kevo

      Science...we were but no longer. A good day to you, sir.

      May 28, 2013 at 5:49 am |
    • Science

      Thank you Kevo............a good day to you too.

      Peace

      The crickets ?

      May 28, 2013 at 6:09 am |
    • *crickets*

      ♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫
      ♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫
      ♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫
      ♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫
      [we are still here]

      May 28, 2013 at 6:18 am |
    • Mirosal

      Kevo ... were you an AW in the Navy or something? lol

      May 28, 2013 at 6:21 am |
    • Kevo

      @ Mirosal

      I was...not many know about the "AW" rate except those that have been there....nice to meet ya!

      May 28, 2013 at 6:35 am |
    • Mirosal

      I know ALL the Navy ratings, I wore one myself, but I wasn't an AW, you "air-dale" lol :p ... I was an EW.

      May 28, 2013 at 6:51 am |
    • Science

      *crickets*..............singing in our backyard by the GOLD fish pond !

      Crickets are where the birds fly !

      Peace

      May 28, 2013 at 7:47 am |
    • Science

      *crickets*..............by the way the birds and gold fish love to EAT you !

      May 28, 2013 at 7:58 am |
    • *crickets*

      ♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫
      ♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫
      ♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫:♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫
      ♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫
      [we are an autonomous collective]

      May 28, 2013 at 8:15 am |
    • nclaw441

      How many children do I have?

      May 28, 2013 at 8:21 am |
    • Science

      crickets...............flatten out under the foot too.

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/24/prosecutor-parents-refusal-to-seek-medical-attention-led-to-infants-death/

      May 28, 2013 at 8:26 am |
    • *crickets*

      ♫:♫♫:♫♫♫♫"♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫
      [we pooped in your oatmeal]

      May 28, 2013 at 9:29 am |
    • Science

      cricket.............Green eggs and ham is better for you. .

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/26/mormon-church-satisfied-with-boy-scouts-possibly-lifting-gay-youth-ban/#comments

      May 28, 2013 at 9:35 am |
    • *crickets*

      ♫:'".
      [no it isn't]

      May 28, 2013 at 9:40 am |
    • Science

      cricket..........how is the legs felling today ....................losing your tunes..........see post at top of page !

      May 28, 2013 at 10:14 am |
    • *crickets*

      ♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫♫
      [we are still pooping in your oatmeal]

      May 28, 2013 at 10:45 am |
    • Akira

      *crickets*, you cracked me up...thanks!

      May 28, 2013 at 11:37 am |
    • Science

      Hey cricket................choke on this !...........where was it 250 million years ago ?

      Rock Where India Crashed Into Asia And Pushed Up The Himalayas [PHOTO]

      Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-hadfield-himalaya-satellite-photo-2013-5#ixzz2UdQgGr1G

      http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-hadfield-himalaya-satellite-photo-2013-5?nr_email_referer=1&utm_source=Triggermail&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Science%20Select&utm_campaign=1-SCIENCE_SELECT_NEW&utm_content=emailshare

      As the bird has landed.

      May 28, 2013 at 9:14 pm |
  17. Reality

    Only for the new members:

    "God will give us comfort and solace and hope for the future" said Kevin Clarkson, the church’s senior pastor. Hmmm, something very, very wrong with that statement as the same thing happened to these people in 1999!!!!

    May 27, 2013 at 11:32 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      He hopes it will happen again so he can feel relevant. His hopes will be fulfilled becuse they live in tornado alley.

      May 28, 2013 at 10:53 am |
  18. do-re-me

    Churches around the country, Great job! Keep up the great work in reaching out in love to the people of Moore!

    May 27, 2013 at 8:35 pm |
  19. I am smarter than you.

    Test me and I will prove it.

    May 27, 2013 at 7:28 pm |
    • Athy

      Post a comment with tit in it. Let's see if you are smart enough to figure it out.

      May 27, 2013 at 8:01 pm |
    • I am smarter than you.

      I am very particular about the word tit.

      May 28, 2013 at 3:45 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @I am smarter than you.
      How many hopus feet of lumber could a specimen of Marmota monax slough if said Sciuridae had the capacity to heave it?

      May 28, 2013 at 8:04 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      A woodchuck would chuck all the wood he could if a woodchuck would chuck wood. Of course that's just my opinion.

      May 28, 2013 at 8:10 am |
  20. IslandAtheist

    Hold the mayo and the Jesus, please.

    May 27, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
    • Jesus freaker

      Mahalo.

      May 27, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
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