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Atheists to start 1-800 hotline for doubters
The group Recovering from Religion plans to start a helpline for people struggling with religious doubts.
June 4th, 2013
03:08 PM ET

Atheists to start 1-800 hotline for doubters

By Dan Merica, CNN

(CNN) – Who can people call when religious doubts arise, but they're afraid to talk to their faith leaders or families?

A group that helps people "recover" from religion says it's ready to pick up the phone.

Recovering from Religion, which has about 40 support groups in the U.S. and Britain, plans to launch a hotline that will offer doubters an anonymous place to ask difficult questions and find communities of like-minded nonbelievers.

The group plans to staff the help line 24 hours a day and is modeling it after services like suicide prevention hotlines.

Sarah Morehead, executive director of Recovering from Religion, told CNN that the mission is to help people, not convert them to atheism.

“A lot of the times they just need someone to talk to," Morehead said.

The 1-800 number has yet to be named. Recovering from Religion is trying to raise $30,000 by June 30 to fund "The Hotline Project" with up to 40 counselors.

Ideally, the help line would be live by the holiday season, said Morehead, which is often a difficult time for people struggling with religious doubts.

Photos: Famous atheists and their beliefs

The idea for the hotline sprang up after calls came in to the Recovering from Religion phone line from people who were questioning their faith and needed to talk to someone. Morehead said she gets a few calls every day and hundreds of e-mails a month from people seeking counseling.

From there, she said, it seemed a hotline that provided a permanent, anonymous place to talk to someone was the best option.

"Coming out" as a nonbeliever - or even a doubter - can often be extremely difficult, Morehead and others say. In addition to the existential worries, budding nonbelievers run the risk of alienating family and friends.

The help line’s volunteer counselors will be trained to not engage in religious debate, Morehead said. Instead, they will try to give callers “practical, action-oriented solutions.”

When someone first calls the hotline, the counselor will start by simply asking the caller to talk about his or her personal story, said Morehead.

Later, the counselor and the caller might work on an action plan. The caller's goals may concern formally leaving religion altogether, but Morehead said that counselors will also offer advice on finding a new faith or connecting with a local community of nonbelievers.

Some blogs have questioned the hotline, however, calling it a ploy to increase the number of atheists in America.

Headlines like “New 1-800 Number Funded By Liberals To Convert Christians to Atheists,” for example, have cropped up at a number of conservative blogs.

Morehead said her critics fail to grasp the point of Recovering from Religion.

“Most of the people who contact us are working their way towards disbelief, so of course we are very equipped to handle that,” Morehead said. “That is not the goal, though, or the job of the facilitators.”

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This hotline is not completely unique in the world of religious "nones" – people who either don’t believe in God or don’t affiliate with any religious beliefs. Atheists have long discussed disbelief in the comfort of online anonymity.

“We have seen how important the Internet is, especially young people questioning their faith, and this provides them with another resource with a different focus,” said Jesse Galef, communications director for the Secular Student Alliance. “For people who want more guidance, I think this resource will be very valuable.”

Services that help religious doubters have thrived recently.

The Clergy Project, an online community for preachers who no longer believe in God, has grown from 52 to nearly 500 people since its founding in 2011, said Teresa MacBain, the former executive director of the project.

MacBain, a former pastor who converted to atheism, called the help line "another way for people to contact someone anonymously and discuss the struggles they are having for their beliefs.”

“If this project had been around when I found the Clergy Project, I would have used it.”

MacBain said she plans to get training as one of the counselors and hopes to be answering calls when the service launches.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Atheism • Belief • United States

soundoff (3,878 Responses)
  1. Pope Francis

    I'm declaring a fatwa against this hotline and against all Americans for allowing this blasphemy,

    June 5, 2013 at 3:54 am |
    • Hey Frankie

      While your at it could you order Bill Deacon to shut the fvck up? Billy must be an embaras.smet for all catholics, much like the old rat, how is he doing?

      June 5, 2013 at 5:30 am |
    • fintastic

      The pope smokes dope.

      June 5, 2013 at 8:22 am |
    • Crayz Scienced

      I'm declaring that the floor is lava! LAVA!!! DON'T TOUCH THE FLOOR! EEEYYAAAHHGGHHHAGHGHGHGHG!!!!

      June 5, 2013 at 8:39 am |
  2. nettie

    Sadly, what the Pope said is completely misleads people. Remember in John 14:6, Jesus answered," I am the way, the truth and the life. No one come to the Father except through me." and in Ephesians 2:8-9, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this is not from yourselves, it is a gift the gift of God – NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast. (emphasis mine).

    And I quote Pope Francis, "We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.” Good works will never save and allow the person to enter the Kingdom of God. Jesus is the only way. Doing good works alone without believing that Jesus Christ died for your sins will never saves.

    For those who are lost, and don't know what's the diff between Biblical Christianity and Roman Catholicism, may I suggests 2 book that explains it, one is Far From Rome Near To God by Richard Bennett and Martin Buckingham and second is The Gospel According to Rome by James McCarthy. These two books helped me understand what the difference between the two. For anyone who is interested in reaching out those who are lost using books can check, you can check http://booksforevangelism.org/.

    June 5, 2013 at 3:27 am |
    • nettie

      Whooops wrong comment! Please just disregard this one.... 🙂

      June 5, 2013 at 3:31 am |
    • Pope Francis

      Yes, the pope misled people by telling them that a bunch of fairy tales were true. He should drop all the supernatural nonsense and tell people to help one another.

      June 5, 2013 at 3:43 am |
  3. Bootyfunk

    great, supportive hotline for new atheists that are feeling alone/ostracized.

    thumbs up.

    June 5, 2013 at 2:56 am |
  4. faith

    Observer

    HeavenSent,

    "The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God."

    Yep. And all the millions of people who never heard of God, no matter how good the people were, end up in Hell.

    liar

    June 5, 2013 at 2:08 am |
    • henry

      Never argue with an Atheist/Idiot!! They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. ..Atheism is made up full of fake scientists scouring to disprove God knowing sure well that their rebellion against God is the path only fools take. So, for all the atheists out there..here's hoping that you will all come to your senses before it's too late to do anything about it...Change your thinking

      June 5, 2013 at 2:38 am |
    • Athy

      Oh, Henry, you're so silly!

      June 5, 2013 at 2:48 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Henry, the best reason for delusional believers (that's all of them) not to argue with an atheist is because they (delusional believers) don't have an argument (logic, facts, evidence, etc.) for their silly childish beliefs.

      June 5, 2013 at 2:51 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      christians sure hate facts.

      June 5, 2013 at 2:57 am |
    • sam stone

      henry: jeebus is waiting, what are you doing down here?

      June 5, 2013 at 4:50 am |
  5. HeavenSent

    Ezekiel 23:19-20
    Well this one is kinda entertaining 😉

    June 5, 2013 at 1:00 am |
  6. HeavenSent

    Numbers 14:36-38
    You must be punished if you ever tell the truth

    June 5, 2013 at 12:56 am |
    • jboom

      Matthew 5:38 Jesus: “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’h 39But I tell you, do not ..."

      ("Eye for an eye" is an Old Testament reference)

      June 5, 2013 at 1:16 am |
    • ChrisA

      This is once again a gross misinterpretation of the text. It would probably help if you actually read instead of pulling some verse from a sceptic source on the internet.

      The men that where killed weren't telling the truth. They observed the land that God promised to moses and the people, and they returned saying that it couldn't be conquered, and that it would have been better for the people if they stayed in Egypt.

      So all the people where in an uproar, and became angry at Moses and wanted to stone him. (note: this was after God had already done 10 miracles infront of them, and promised them they would possess the land) So because these men "LIED" and incited the people. They where killed.

      June 5, 2013 at 4:26 am |
  7. HeavenSent

    Exodus 12:29
    All first born children are guilty by association so they must be killed

    June 5, 2013 at 12:55 am |
  8. HeavenSent

    2 Samuel 12:14-18
    The baby must be killed but the sinful father shall be spared

    June 5, 2013 at 12:54 am |
    • ChrisA

      This was after King David stole the wife of uriah and had him killed. God's response to David was, "Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house,". And David's response was "

      1Be gracious to me, O God, according to Your lovingkindness;
      According to the greatness of Your compassion blot out my transgressions.

      2Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity
      And cleanse me from my sin.

      3For I know my transgressions,
      And my sin is ever before me.

      4Against You, You only, I have sinned
      And done what is evil in Your sight,
      So that You are justified when You speak
      And blameless when You judge.

      5Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
      And in sin my mother conceived me.

      6Behold, You desire truth in the innermost being,
      And in the hidden part You will make me know wisdom.

      7Purify me with hyssop, and I shall be clean;
      Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.

      8Make me to hear joy and gladness,
      Let the bones which You have broken rejoice.

      9Hide Your face from my sins
      And blot out all my iniquities.

      10Create in me a clean heart, O God,
      And renew a steadfast spirit within me.

      11Do not cast me away from Your presence
      And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.

      12Restore to me the joy of Your salvation
      And sustain me with a willing spirit.

      13Then I will teach transgressors Your ways,
      And sinners will be converted to You.

      14Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, the God of my salvation;
      Then my tongue will joyfully sing of Your righteousness.

      15O Lord, open my lips,
      That my mouth may declare Your praise.

      16For You do not delight in sacrifice, otherwise I would give it;
      You are not pleased with burnt offering.

      17The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit;
      A broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise.

      18By Your favor do good to Zion;
      Build the walls of Jerusalem.

      19Then You will delight in righteous sacrifices,
      In burnt offering and whole burnt offering;
      Then young bulls will be offered on Your altar.

      psalm 51.

      Now there's probably not a better show of repentance in the entire Bible. David was a
      King, and yet he still humbled himself immediately and admitted and repented of his sins.
      That's why he wasn't killed. Not to mention that before this sin (and after) he was considered by
      God to be one of the most righteous men who ever lived.

      But you say that, "The baby must be killed but the sinful father shall be spared".
      If you where a father, then you would know that any good father would gladly give his life in place
      of his sons. Especially when that son would be future King! So David was most certainly punished for
      his actions.

      June 5, 2013 at 4:41 am |
  9. lolCAT2000

    I think the real problem here is "recovering from group pressure" – which is a completely different topic.

    To make it about "religion" is mostly propaganda.
    Atheists frame their religion as a "non-religion", but that's just a lie – atheists have a lot of beliefs, just like anyone else.

    June 5, 2013 at 12:50 am |
    • Max

      Sure. Just not in any gods.

      June 5, 2013 at 1:06 am |
    • jboom

      lolCAT, yes it is propaganda. Even Stephen Hawking is engaging in it of late.

      June 5, 2013 at 1:13 am |
    • Pope Francis

      Everyone has lots of beliefs. Atheists just don't believe in supernatural beings. That is why people that understand science tend to be atheists.

      June 5, 2013 at 3:47 am |
    • G

      We all have beliefs – I believe my milk will be the the refrigerator in the morning when I wake up – or that the earth is round, but that does not make it a religion. Atheists do not believe in anything – it is a belief, but it is not tied to any religious dogma.

      June 5, 2013 at 3:47 am |
    • lolCAT2000

      @Pope Francis
      Look, I do understand science, and I am absolutely of the opinion that to frame "religion" vs. "atheism" in light of "belief in the *supernatural*" vs. "science" is somehow misguided.
      Of course "religion" is a part of our "nature", and there is enough room beyond scientific epistemology for it. There is no excuse of taking biblical statements over scientific discoveries – e.g. of course the world was not created in 6 days.
      But there is so much about religion beyond that that I often can't believe how much this is reiterated.

      @G there are beliefs a lot more irrational than "the fridge keeps cool" in everyone. Just think about your idea of being "involved with your own life" – getting up in the morning, doing better at your job etc... it's completely nonsensical – how woud "you" have any influence over your body... it's just matter unfolding, exactly like the rest of the universe.
      Humans are just "insane" in general.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:54 pm |
  10. jboom

    from RFR website: "Through a long process of questioning, research, and reality-based thinking, s" (left her Christian faith for that of atheism).

    Honest question for atheists: Do most atheists ascribe to the thought that reality-based thinking would lead one towards atheism over theism? (I ask this because it seems that this theme seems to pop up a lot in blogosphere. There seems to be a strand of thought that atheism is somehow a more reasoned faith than theism.)

    June 5, 2013 at 12:33 am |
    • Max

      Atheists don't have faith in atheism...what a weird premise. They just don't believe in any gods.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:39 am |
    • lolCAT2000

      @Max

      yep, and simply "not believing in God" doesn't make it not a faith...
      "non-chocolate people" still eat.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:51 am |
    • Max

      Change your name all you want, lol??, you still make no sense.

      June 5, 2013 at 3:20 am |
    • Crayz Scienced

      Reason should never lead to delusion unless your reasoning is faulty. Clear thinking is without delusion or faulty logic.
      Religion is accepting indoctrination without questioning it. You will always be a victim of liars if you remain so gullible.

      June 5, 2013 at 8:30 am |
    • lolCAT2000

      @Max fyi – I'm not "lol??".

      June 5, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
  11. lol??

    RR sayz from their web,
    "3. Educate the secular communities about the tremendous need for providing this encouragement"

    Notice how they phrase that, the universal well loved "educate", as they are above those uneducated spiritual losers. Where have they been for the last 1/2 mil years, "helping"?
    http://recoveringfromreligion.org/

    June 5, 2013 at 12:08 am |
    • Illuminati

      They were likely killed by the good followers of God for not goose stepping to your particular proclivities, you inbred whelp.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:15 am |
  12. DoesItReallyMatter

    Does your conversion to atheism really matter after a 100 years? By then all those who read this article are probably dead already. If there is nothing after death, if a soul is not immortal, and if death is the end, then nothing really matter. All the good deeds you have done, the contributions you have made to the humanity, or the bad things you wish no one will ever find out will be simply vanished away after your death. You may say, "History will be the judge." I will ask,"What good about the judgement if you are not there to be judged?" So does it really matter if you convert to atheist? I will say it does matter if you feel good after the conversion. Does it really matter after 100 years? If atheism is right(there is no real way to prove it unless you realize there is nothing after you die), whether you convert to atheism doesn't really matter.

    Can you prove that there is nothing after death?

    I can't prove that a soul is immortal. Neither can you prove that it is not. By looking at dead body can only prove that the body is dead. What about the soul? Also if you are right, it there is nothing after death, it doesn't really matter what we believe right now.

    Does it really matter whose burden of proof is upon whom if there is nothing after death? Does this discussion even relevant after 100 years?

    Can I prove that there is life after death? No I cannot. Can I prove that a soul is immortal and eternal? No I cannot. I just want to simply point out that IF THERE IS NO LIFE ATFER DEATH, WHAT WE DO HERE ON THIS EARTH DON'T MATTER AT ALL TO US.

    You may say, "It matters to our children. It helps mankind to achieve to his full potential by getting rid of religion. It's good to humanity and for the generations to come." Well whether I agree to such view points, it doesn't really matter after 100 years because I am not there to see it if there is no life after death.

    ***********************************************************************************************************************************************

    You may say, "My life matter to me." To a certain extend, it does matter to you as long as you are alive. However what does your life matter to you after you are dead if your soul(assuming the soul is mortal and simply vanishes with a death of physical body) is no longer in existence.

    ***********************************************************************************************************************************************

    YES IT DOES BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE ONE LIFE TO LIVE AND THIS IS IT.

    That is exactly my point. One life to live and this is it. So does it really matter what you believe or someone believe in? After 100 years, and after this "one life"(assuming there is no life after death), we will all simply vanish. Whatever our hopes and dreams may be, it doesn't really matter after we die.

    ***********************************************************************************************************************************************

    You may say, "You will be remembered by the generations to come?" I will ask, "Does it really matter if there is no life after death and I am not there to perceive that I am being remembered by."

    ***********************************************************************************************************************************************

    "human life does not matter to the universe. That does not mean it is not important to humans."

    I agree to a certain extend. It matters while you are alive. Why does it matter after you die. Your soul, conscience or whatever you want to call it simply vanishes. After 100 years,what does this conversation has any relevancy to those who involve in the discussion?

    **********************************************************************************************************************************************

    "Perhaps you need to answer your own question. Does it matter to you?"

    Does it really matter if there is no life after death?

    "And do not commit suicide of the answer is no."

    In fact if there is no life after death, it doesn't matter if is the answer is no:)

    **********************************************************************************************************************************************

    "Does it really matter if there is no life after death?"

    Does WHAT really matter?

    You keep posting the same stuff over and over without really having a conversation with anyone that I have to conclude your question is not genuine.

    --------
    Does what really matter? That's exactly my point. What DOSE really matter if there is no life after death?

    **********************************************************************************************************************************************

    I found life had more meaning after I became an atheist. I began to look at where I was instead of imagining where I had hoped I was going. When you start doing the math you realize you being you is already winning triple Mega-super lotteries, so I figured I had better start spending my winnings more wisely instead of giving them all away for the promise of something better. To say "Hey, you just won the biggest lottery in the universe but you need to give all that money to us because after you die, then you'll really see something special! So hand over your time, money and energy and we PROMISE to hook you up after you die, cross our hearts..."

    So far I have never seen, heard, read, watched, felt or experienced anything supernatural, though I have experienced Yosemite Falls in winter which was naturally super

    ------

    Wonderful! Does it really matter after 100 years?

    **********************************************************************************************************************************************

    So that's your game is it. The "life is empty meaningless without an afterlife" premise?

    The answer to that is simple. It's what you make it. It can be empty and meaningless if you so choose. It can be wonderful and fulfilling if you so choose.

    THEN WHAT HAPPENS AFTER 100 YEARS?

    We are free to choose. Don't ask what happens when we die. Just enjoy the journey. It's far better than the alternative.

    WHAT HAPPENS AFTER WE DIE?

    I'll turn it around for you. If everyone who was 'saved' was going to paradise, why would you live for another moment?

    WHY BRING RELIGION INTO THE EQUATION? IN ADDITION, EVERY RELIGION DEFINES "SAVED" DIFFERENTLY. SO WHAT HAPPEN AFTER WE DIE? IF NOTHING WE DO ON THIS EARTH HAS ANY ETERNAL CONSEQUENCE, WHAT DOES REALLY MATTER?

    **********************************************************************************************************************************************

    Right, nothing matters if you don't get to see it from your window in heaven. You disgust me. You are where humanity is failing, to not see why being good has it's own rewards as does being a moral agent in the world without bribes or threats. If humanity does not survive the next century it will be because of religious hubris and morons like this OP.

    -----------
    Sorry that I disgust you. However does it really matter whether humanity survive or not in the grand scheme of eternity if all mankind will eventually pass away?

    June 5, 2013 at 12:06 am |
    • GodFreeNow

      Does it matter if I leave the E off of fire? It is the difference between fire and fir. In short, if it matters to you, then it matters.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:16 am |
    • Illuminati

      What a pile of happy horseshit.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:20 am |
  13. Heretic

    Good im glad there is help for people looking to be unplugged.

    June 4, 2013 at 11:40 pm |
    • Austin

      There is nothing you can do about it if you receive the testimony of the Holy Spirit. Then you know what is real. I feel sorry for people who don't believe in God. Really really sorry. It's sad.

      June 4, 2013 at 11:49 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      So Austin, it seems to me that you have yet to provide any evidence to counter what otherwise can only be called delusions. Are you seeing a mental health professional yet?

      June 4, 2013 at 11:52 pm |
    • Athy

      Austin, please don't feel sorry for us atheists. We don't want, nor need, your concern. And please don't try pushing your silly beliefs on our children or advertising it in public. Got it? Sadly, you probably don't.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:04 am |
    • Austin

      No again hot air ace, I wrote dreams down as they occurred . And twelve times the dreams were answered the next day in reality.

      For example, I dreamed I saw a beautiful tile patio , with a detached arm reaching down into a whole in the ground and pulling out a leather pouch full of gem stones.

      The next day, I read

      the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah in Tahpanhes, saying, 9 “Take some large stones in your [a]hands and hide them in the mortar in the [b]brick terrace which is at the entrance of Pharaoh’s [c]palace in Tahpanhes, in the sight of [d]some of the Jews; 10 and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, “Behold, I am going to send and get Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, My servant, and I am going to set his throne right over these stones that I have hidden; and he will spread his canopy over them. 11 He will also come and strike the

      I had no clue about anything in the book of Jeremiah. This happened twelve times different situations, every one of the situations and dreams had a direct link to the bible.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:08 am |
    • Madeline

      Delusional is as delusional does.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:09 am |
    • Austin

      It wasn't a week later that I had a dream I toured a house and there was an above ground pool with a privacy fence and then the kid next to me two days later pulled out a blueprint he drew, and then as soon as he did I pulled out my dream and read to him how I dreamed I was touring a house with an above ground pool and a deck with a fence around it. He's sitting there holding a picture of my dream.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:13 am |
    • tallulah13

      Not the lame "dreams" again.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:16 am |
    • Austin

      22“The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are healthy,c your whole body will be full of light. 23But if your eyes are unhealthy,d your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

      June 5, 2013 at 12:18 am |
    • HotAirAce

      So Austin, in summary, you have your delusional dreams, but you have no evidence for your delusional beliefs. In other words, you are just another mentally ill delusional believer.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:23 am |
    • tallulah13

      He doesn't even have proof of his dreams. I suspect that his "dreams" are actually "memories".

      June 5, 2013 at 12:29 am |
    • Max

      Oh, goody. The Dream Weaver is here to regale us with stories of dead pets. Yipee.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:29 am |
    • Austin

      No I have evidence. Data in a file. And you ate wrong. And I have proof.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:30 am |
    • Austin

      Tallulah, "doesn't have proof of dreams". What a statement. That "I " do not have proof of my dreams.

      You might not have proof of my dreams, But I do. And your ignorance is arrogant.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:33 am |
    • tallulah13

      So Austin, you wrote down and put a verifiable date on every dream you had, then kept a similar file with your experience? Do you have testimony from others stating that you told them this dream before the event occurred? I'm curious how you document your useless "prophecies".

      June 5, 2013 at 12:34 am |
    • tallulah13

      Arrogant is claiming that a supernatural figure gives you prophetic dreams, and expecting others to believe you just because you say so, Austin. Skepticism is the rational response.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:35 am |
    • Austin

      Yes I do. I have the people involved as credible witnesses. Sheldon with the blueprint, Danny with the one about the light

      June 5, 2013 at 12:37 am |
    • Austin

      Yes I do. I have the people involved as credible witnesses. Sheldon with the blueprint, Danny with the one about the light. I have Scott, who lost his money, I pulled out the dream that he had lost his money, and 100 and more people who I shared about the dream about the gems and tile patio. There were twelve experiences with supernatural revelation.

      And yes, a demonic voice inverted my body in a dream, forecast a bloody cat that for one afternoon was on my porch, and like the dream foreshadowed, the dead cat had lost its blood on the road. There is no witness to that one.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:41 am |
    • tallulah13

      Austin? That isn't proof. That's just a couple of names. Did they know about your dreams before before the event, then witness your discovery? Or did you just tell them "hey, I had a dream just like this!"?

      June 5, 2013 at 12:41 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Sorry Austin, I missed it or am a slow learner. Please explain how your experiences, even if they occurred within your own delusional brain (assuming you have one), are evidence for any god.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:44 am |
    • Austin

      Tallulah, ok I can see how you think the is arrogant. But I am only being honest. I mean that. There is only one explanation for what I experienced, and Sheldon Clay can confirm that I was going on and on in the first place about all this, and then God involved 3 other people right beside me as beneficiaries and witnesses to a 3rd party leg of the revelation. It wasn't in my head. It was real . And my dreams are legitimate, authentic and doc?umented.

      Praise God for who He is and how he intervenes in our lives!

      June 5, 2013 at 12:48 am |
    • Max

      So you keep a dream journal...so the heck what? All that's proof of is that you keep a dream journal.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:52 am |
    • lolCAT2000

      lol "unplugged", well, if you'd really like to "unplug" you'd have to go a lot further than just "not believing in God"

      June 5, 2013 at 12:53 am |
    • Austin

      Tallulah, Sheldon sat next to me and had a piece if paper, a blue print. A picture. Ok, I said watch this, and pulled out the dream, having tin words, the description of what he drew, I saw it in my dream. Scott came around in Omanis about his money, and I said watch this, went to my file, and pulled out the dream of him loosing it from thirty days in advance for the date. The scripture thing happened 3 nights in a row, where I had dreams about details I read the next day.

      Danny dreamed about the exact thought I had the night before, and he was not a bible student, he had no clue about the parable about the light in the eyes. This happened about ten times in 3 months. It went from me noticing bout the dreams about the next days scripture, to dreams involving other people too, things outside my own person. This part reveals Gods spiritual presence in all people simultaneously, He is sovereign.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:56 am |
    • tallulah13

      Well Austin, I have no doubt that you believe what you're claiming.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:57 am |
    • Austin

      There is a difference between believing ice is cold, and knowing ice is cold. I know Our Lord is There. That is true.

      Jehovah
      Shammah.

      June 5, 2013 at 1:04 am |
    • Austin

      Get some rest.

      June 5, 2013 at 1:05 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Austin, I can measure the temperature of ice and determine conclusively that ice is colder than some things and warmer than others. How do you know your god exists?

      June 5, 2013 at 1:14 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Well, Austin, basic epistemology applies here. In order for you know God exists, it must be so that God exists. That's true belief. How do we know that your belief is true if the existence of God is not something anyone has as a fact?

      June 5, 2013 at 1:28 am |
    • sam stone

      hey austin, still squashing cats in your dreams?

      if you got proof, supply it. you will be rich and famous

      but you don't, so you blather endlessly on the Belief Blog

      have another drink

      June 5, 2013 at 4:54 am |
    • The real Tom

      Austin, why haven't you posted descriptions of any of your dreams BEFORE any events occur in real life that might make your claims plausible?

      Go ahead, post your "dream journal" right here. Don't bother including your dead cats and ABOVE GROUND POOLS dreams. Describe dreams you've had recently. Ones for which you have not yet had related subsequent waking experiences that could be related.

      You've been challenged to do this repeatedly, and you fail to follow through. I think you are a full-bore lying ass who is making up dreams to match something that occurred so you can bellow about it here. Not good enough.

      Get on with it, you lazy ass.

      June 5, 2013 at 7:21 am |
  14. darwin frick

    Atheists who don't like religion are now promoting the religion of atheism... that makes a whole lot of sense. The only question I have is, if there is no God, then why are you so obsessed with proving something that doesn't exist. I mean, if i don't believe something, I don't spend any time worrying about it because there is nothing to worry about.

    June 4, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
    • What IF

      " if there is no God, then why are you so obsessed with proving something that doesn't exist."

      Believers DO exist, however, and that's who we take issue with - for trying to insert their fantasies and superst'itions into society.

      June 4, 2013 at 10:54 pm |
    • Colin

      1. Denial of global warming
      2. Teaching evolution in school
      3. Immunization against HPV
      4. Buying wine on Sundays
      5. Right to choose.
      6. Right to end life with dignity.
      7. Stem Cell Research
      8. Gay rights to marry.
      9. My right to view art, films and other material Bible cuddlers regard as sacreligious or obsc.ene.

      June 4, 2013 at 10:58 pm |
    • Skeptic Al

      Topics we have discussed in adult education at my church:
      -Brain science and faith
      -Cosmology
      -Creation and evolution
      -Environmental stewardship
      -Genetics and genetic engineering
      -Impacts of technology
      -Religious education
      -Worship in a scientific and technological age

      And none of what you seem to think we do. Really!

      June 4, 2013 at 11:00 pm |
    • Athy

      Believe whatever you want, farwin drink. Just keep it to yourself. Don't display in public. Don't introduce it to our children. Can you live with that?

      June 4, 2013 at 11:00 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Ecclesiastes 2:11

      Then I looked on all the works that my hands had wrought, and on the labour that I had laboured to do: and, behold, all [was] vanity and vexation of spirit, and [there was] no profit under the sun.

      Amen.

      June 4, 2013 at 11:03 pm |
    • Colin

      Skeptical Al. Your point?

      June 4, 2013 at 11:04 pm |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby.

      June 4, 2013 at 11:08 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Colin, it's June 4th and there are still mountains of snow plowed in unused parking lots in our state. So much for global warming.

      June 4, 2013 at 11:08 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      lol. atheism is a religion like abstinence is a s.exual position.

      June 4, 2013 at 11:10 pm |
    • Skeptic Al

      1. Denial of global warming
      Not done in my church.
      2. Teaching evolution in school
      Supported by my church.
      3. Immunization against HPV
      Supported by my church.
      4. Buying wine on Sundays
      Supported (very much so) by my church.
      5. Right to choose.
      Supported by my church.
      6. Right to end life with dignity.
      Supported by my church.
      7. Stem Cell Research
      Not sure
      8. Gay rights to marry.
      Supported by my church.
      9. My right to view art, films and other material Bible cuddlers regard as sacreligious or obsc.ene.
      Supported by my church.

      I know atheists that don't support your right buy wine any day or allow gays the right to marry.

      June 4, 2013 at 11:12 pm |
    • Colin

      Well great Skeptical Al, in that case I have very little disagreement with your church's socio-political views.

      June 4, 2013 at 11:14 pm |
    • Skeptic Al

      🙂

      June 4, 2013 at 11:15 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Galatians 5:17

      For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

      Amen.

      June 4, 2013 at 11:18 pm |
    • Observer

      Skeptic Al,

      Congratulations! It sounds like you attend a church that actually practices the Golden Rule. That seems rare. Good for them and you.

      June 4, 2013 at 11:19 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      @Colin, Well I'd like to add my right to look at obscene porn and not just art. I love art, don't get me wrong... but porn is an art unto itself.

      June 4, 2013 at 11:51 pm |
    • lol??

      Athy sayz,
      "Believe whatever you want, farwin drink. Just keep it to yourself. Don't display in public. Don't introduce it to our children. Can you live with that?"

      Bibles in the closet
      Gays on parade
      What a culture
      The pwogwessives have made.

      June 4, 2013 at 11:56 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Silly darwin frick. Atheism isn't a religion. You christians just can't seem to figure that one out.

      This hotline provides information and a community, so that non-believers no longer feel isolated. It's an act of community, not an act of religion.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:20 am |
    • Crayz Scienced

      Skeptic Al, stem cell research is done very ethically and the name includes all types of stem cells, not just ones from umbilical cords. You should be strongly for it if you respect ethical and rational research into all types of cell function.
      The answer is simple: do the opposite of what catholics want because you can always expect to find them on the wrong side of any question regarding ethics and morals, especially if science is involved or it shows them to be evil.

      June 5, 2013 at 8:22 am |
  15. Colin

    I am trying to volunteer as a counsellor but can't sign up. Can anybody help?

    June 4, 2013 at 10:46 pm |
    • Chad

      I had no problem signing up. Let me talk to someone and see what I can do for you.

      June 4, 2013 at 10:49 pm |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      There's a phone number and form on their website contact page.

      June 4, 2013 at 10:51 pm |
    • Colin

      Whether that is really Chad or an imposter, that is really funny...Although, it does raise the prospect of sleeper agents for the sky-fairy. I hope theyscreen for that.

      June 4, 2013 at 10:55 pm |
    • Chad

      This is a good opportunity for me to share the good news.

      June 4, 2013 at 10:59 pm |
    • Athy

      Let's start with the bad news.

      June 4, 2013 at 11:02 pm |
    • Max

      Sure, Chad. Isn't that the 9th Commandment you're breaking by blatently lying, even if it is on an anonymous blog? God sees all, ya know.

      June 4, 2013 at 11:27 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Psalm 9:15-17

      15 The heathen are sunk down in the pit that they made: in the net which they hid is their own foot taken.
      16 The LORD is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah.
      17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.  (KJV)

      Amen.

      June 4, 2013 at 11:28 pm |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      "The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God."

      Yep. And all the millions of people who never heard of God, no matter how good the people were, end up in Hell.

      June 4, 2013 at 11:42 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      The only possible good news from Chad would be that he's finally pulled his head out of his azz and the sh!t from his ears, and figured out that The Babble is pure crap. While there is always hope, I don't think it's likely, unfortunately.

      June 4, 2013 at 11:44 pm |
    • sam stone

      chad: the good news is there is no heaven or hell, or judgement.

      June 5, 2013 at 4:58 am |
    • Crayz Scienced

      Colin, you are so silly. Your underwear is on your head. Call the number and ask, you idiot.

      June 5, 2013 at 8:33 am |
    • Chad

      HotAirAce, what investigation have you done that led you to believe the bible is pure crap?

      June 5, 2013 at 2:51 pm |
    • Doobs

      HotAirAce, what investigation have you done that led you to believe the bible is pure crap?

      Like a broken record.

      June 5, 2013 at 2:53 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Chad, The creation myth is proven to be inaccurate, the Noah story is not only an unnecessarily complex way to solve the particular problem but impossible. the Jonah, Lot, miracle etc. stories are incredible and without evidence. As has been said many times to you on here there may be a few people and places that are accurate but the majority of the bible is proven to be incorrect or without evidence, and as it is the foundational parts that are proven to be incorrect, there's very little value in the bible as a historical record.

      June 5, 2013 at 3:00 pm |
  16. faith

    feel free to stop lying
    or
    offer proof
    lol

    sorry Secular Human ist from Ohio
    There'a the pot calling the ket tle black. The bible is mostly fiction.

    June 4, 2013 at 10:41 pm |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      Well, there's no evidence for the Exodus story or proof of Jesus' divinity. Beyond that I'm not going to argue with someone as irrational as you.

      June 4, 2013 at 10:45 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Ohio, I guess you don't exist then?

      June 4, 2013 at 11:30 pm |
    • faith

      the information recorded in exodus was written by jewish men of great skill and integrity. no reason to doubt their account.

      u lie and state flat out pure nonsense without offering any evidence. that's what nazi god-hating fascist pigs do day and night. u r the funniest morons on ert.

      funny how u girls r 2 scared to seek him with all ur heart. u would find more evidence than u could bear and u no it, so u run and act like lil fatty sambo, who is going 2 jail. lol

      Well, there's no evidence for the Exodus story or proof of Jesus' divinity. Beyond that I'm not going to argue with someone as irrational as you.

      no nazi dare debate me. u r dumb but not completely stupid

      faith
      feel free to stop lying
      or
      offer proof
      lol

      sorry Secular Human ist from Ohio
      There'a the pot calling the ket tle black. The bible is mostly fiction.

      June 5, 2013 at 2:03 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      faithy: Still haven't figured out the word filter yet? Kettle is not one of the words...how's that lawsuit working out? How many lawyers have fallen off their seats laughing?

      June 5, 2013 at 4:07 am |
    • sam stone

      yeah, faith, how is that lawsuit going?

      are you going to litigate us?

      watcha got, besides a stinky, diseased gash?

      June 5, 2013 at 5:04 am |
  17. GodFreeNow

    @Skeptic Al, I can see your point now. Thank you for clarifying.

    I can't speak for all atheists but I would say that we divide people who believe in god into 2 categories
    1) the ignorant – This is really innocent and there's no negative connotation associated with it. We are all ignorant in one area or another. Many great men in history were ignorant. Isaac Newton was one of those men. Despite his amazing accomplishments, he was an alchemist.
    2) the delusional – delusional can also be innocent if it is a byproduct of some mental disorder. However, the delusional that most of us refer to is willful ignorance in the face of reason. I suspect that if we could transport Jefferson and Newton to our current time, they might well amend their ignorances to more reasoned perspectives.

    June 4, 2013 at 10:41 pm |
    • Skeptic Al

      Stereotyping. Let me know how that works out for you.

      June 4, 2013 at 10:50 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      @Skeptic Al,

      Being a stereotype does not subtract from the overall truth. I've found that people who use that word rarely want to face the reality of the claim. E.g., Men are physically stronger than women. That is a stereotype. Yet while there are of course exceptions to this statement, it doesn't make the original point any less true.

      If someone were denying that a cliff at the end of the road exists, and believes the road continues on in the face of all of the evidence presented to the contrary, we can safely say that person is delusional.

      delusion |diˈlo͞oZHən|
      noun
      an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder: the delusion of being watched.
      • the action of deluding someone or the state of being deluded: what a capacity television has for delusion.

      June 4, 2013 at 10:59 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      In case you need some references, there are plenty of studies out there that highlight the accuracy of stereotypes.

      Yueh-Ting Lee, Lee J. Jussim, and Clark R. McCauley, ed. (September 1995). Stereotype Accuracy: Toward Appreciating Group Differences. American Psychological Association. ISBN 978-1-55798-307-7.

      June 4, 2013 at 11:06 pm |
    • tallulah13

      I believe that people believe what they do for emotional reasons. I prefer not to judge them, unless they do or say something that is immoral or untruthful.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:22 am |
    • GodFreeNow

      @tallulah13, Then go ahead and take that one step further down the path you've begun. Emotional reaction is mostly dictated by cultural influence. All studies point to this.

      Judgment is a natural product of thinking. You cannot have one without the other. It's an important and necessary part of discernment. This is what critical thinking is all about. Though I assume by "judgment" you mean the word in the negative connotation—which I've never quite understood. I think we should be more conscious of judging fairly or unfairly. Anyway... that's just my 2 cents.

      I enjoy your posts... so keep 'em coming.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:31 am |
    • tallulah13

      GFN, I chose to acknowledge that people have emotional needs. I don't take that as proof of god. I simply accept that cultural indoctrination plus that emotional need equals religion. Some people are more pragmatic about it than others. Some understand that their faith has no foundation in reality, but they have chosen to believe anyway.

      At the end of the day, I believe in personal freedom. It is none of my business what others believe, as long as they don't use their faith to influence laws or education or to incite hatred against others.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:55 am |
    • Death Squad Bureau Chief Devil-may-care

      @tallulah13 – So we can sign you up for the death squads, then?
      Okay, you're on list "B". You will not be contacted until the fun starts.

      June 5, 2013 at 9:44 am |
  18. Derengowski

    Hypocritical lunacy at its worst.

    June 4, 2013 at 10:37 pm |
    • GodFreeNow

      Explain the hypocrisy that you see. You've not given us a lot to go on.

      June 4, 2013 at 10:45 pm |
      • Derengowski

        http://derengowski.wordpress.com/2013/06/04/1-800-atheist-hotline/

        June 4, 2013 at 11:08 pm |
    • cathrine98

      I find it hilarious that when Christians are trying to "win people over to their cause" it's outreach and ministry. But if atheists band together to help others like them, it's "hypocritical lunacy". Talk about hypocritical.

      June 4, 2013 at 11:06 pm |
      • Derengowski

        Once again, cathrine, http://derengowski.wordpress.com/2013/06/04/1-800-atheist-hotline/

        June 4, 2013 at 11:12 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Derengowski:

      Your website is stupid, filled with things you made up. That makes you a liar. I don't know what you intend to prove by making up conversations, but what you are actually proving is that you are an ass.

      However, if you are a troll counting clicks, you got one more.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:25 am |
      • Derengowski

        LOL...Thanks for the ad hominem response. That was real "stupid" of you. 😉

        June 5, 2013 at 12:32 am |
    • tallulah13

      No, that's a response to the tripe you put on your site. I did due diligence. I looked. It appears that you made up a nonsensical conversation in order to falsify a point. Nothing ad hominem at all. Your site is crap.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:39 am |
      • Derengowski

        So, that's two ad hominem responses in a row. Congratulations on be extra "stupid."

        June 5, 2013 at 12:40 am |
    • tallulah13

      Silly Derengowski. That second comment wasn't an attack against you. It was an attack against the content of your site. Perhaps "ad hominem" doesn't mean what you think it does. (although you are doing a fine job using ad hominem attacks against me instead of addressing the nonsense found on your site.)

      June 5, 2013 at 1:01 am |
      • Derengowski

        LOL...You haven't addressed any of the content on the site. All you've done is make "stupid" comments because you didn't like the truth being told about just how "stupid" it is going to sound for an atheist to counsel someone regarding religious belief, when the atheist is as religious in his beliefs as everyone else, with the exception that the atheist's beliefs end in contradiction and self-refutation, which are hardly going to help anyone. So, quit being "stupid." If you have a problem with something that I've produced, then deal with it. Leave the ad hominem attacks out of it. Otherwise, I'll simply accept your concession of stupidity and move along to others and their comments and questions which are more intelligent and a whole lot less "stupid."

        June 5, 2013 at 8:16 am |
    • jboom

      Derengowski,

      http://derengowski.wordpress.com/2013/06/04/1-800-atheist-hotline/

      "Hopefully there will be an inordinate number of Christian apologists who will flood this atheist “hotline” when it gets up and running to keep them busy answering legitimate questions over why the atheist is acting the fool. I know I’ll be looking forward to making that special call."

      Good for you Derengowski!

      Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!” (Mark 9:24)

      June 5, 2013 at 1:30 am |
      • Derengowski

        Thanks jboom. 🙂

        June 5, 2013 at 8:17 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Hypocritical would be preaching love for all but yet denying rights to certain people-a christian thing done constantly all in the name of some god that can't be shown to exist.

      June 5, 2013 at 4:45 am |
      • Derengowski

        Who is denying anyone any rights, TP?

        As for failure to show that God exists, as I've asked elsewhere, just what kind of "evidence" are you looking for, and just how long do you think it is going to be before you begin to contradict yourself, when it is pointed out to you that your empirical demand for "evidence" will only take you so far when it comes to knowing anything?

        June 5, 2013 at 8:20 am |
    • IntelligentHuman

      IF THIS IDIOT WANTS TO WASTE TIME CALLING A HOTLINE MEANT TO HELP PEOPLE, THEN SPAMMING HIS WORDPRESS ACCT WITH COMMENTS SHOWING HIS HYPOCRISY WOULD BE GOOD.

      June 5, 2013 at 4:48 am |
      • Derengowski

        And just how does someone steeped in contradiction and self-refutation manage to help anyone?

        As for spamming my account, go ahead. No one will ever see it, just like no one ever saw three of the four vile posts you made earlier, and you will simply have further proved my point regarding the vanity of the atheist worldview.

        June 5, 2013 at 8:23 am |
  19. Bostontola

    Christians,
    The vast majority of atheists have no desire to convert you, nor care what you believe. They react strongly to religion because many religious people seem compelled to heap their rules on others.

    June 4, 2013 at 10:34 pm |
    • Humanity

      Well, that's the problem, isn't it? Any religion with a god who doles out collective punishment to entire nations because some of the inhabitants aren't following his rules gets his followers up in arms against those nonbelievers because they are putting everyone in danger (from their loving god). So they're just trying to convert the nonbelievers and legislate their god's rules for the good of everybody–don't you see?

      June 4, 2013 at 10:43 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Proverbs 29:8  

      Scornful men bring a city into a snare: but wise [men] turn away wrath.

      Amen.

      June 4, 2013 at 10:58 pm |
    • Ernest T Bass

      HeavenStench.... your fairytale babble quotes are meaningless.... nothing more than phony balony mythology ..

      June 5, 2013 at 8:45 am |
  20. dillonb1950

    @ heaven sent.....did the "holy spirit" give you that name or is that just your ego. I'll leave you to find the truth out about that. Anyone can copy and paste from the bi "bull" but when you're really stumped I guess you have to revert back to something that someone said someone else said 2,000 years ago.
    Did you know: The King James version of the "bible" was completed in 1611 by 8 members of the church of england? There WERE and still are NO original texts to translate? The oldest manuscripts we have were written down hundreds of years after the last "apostle" died?There were over 8,000 of these old manuscripts and no 2 are alike? The king james version used NONE of these anyways but they edited previous translations to create a version their king and parliamnet would APPROVE? So it is that people like Heaven Sent BELIEVE the "word of god" is a book edited in the 17th century from 16th century translations of 8,000 contradictory copies of 4th century scrolls that claim to be copies of LOST letters from the 1st century? That's not faith ...that's insanity. If you don't beleive me Heaven sent...do your own REAL research and find out what your quoting from.

    June 4, 2013 at 10:28 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Mark 12:24

      And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

      Amen.

      June 4, 2013 at 10:45 pm |
    • Ruby

      Hey, I wonder if HeavenScent uses Bible verses when she orders at Burger Kind, or if she answers the telephone with a verse...she deliberately avoided yet another conversation by quoting yet another...
      Amen.

      DillonB is absolutely correct. You look irrational, HS.

      June 4, 2013 at 10:53 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Psalms 1:1  

      Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

      Amen.

      June 4, 2013 at 10:57 pm |
    • Erstwhile Drone

      Ruby,

      Funny (and pathetic) story:

      One time when I was a little kid and we were doing our family praying of the rosary one evening, the phone rang and I, being totally spaced out, ran and answered it, "Hail Mary, full of grace".

      June 4, 2013 at 11:02 pm |
    • Ruby

      'A piece of knowledge is never false or true-but only are or less biologically and evolutionary useful. All dogmatic creeds are approximations; these approximations form a humus from which better approximations grow.'

      ~Ernst Mach

      Expand your mind a little, HeavenSent. You're stagnating and have lost the art of conversation and intelligent discourse.

      June 4, 2013 at 11:12 pm |
    • Athy

      Dillonb, I think your shot went way over HS's head, far beyond her reach. That's a great comment. Keep posting it, it may reach those few that are smarter than HS.

      June 4, 2013 at 11:13 pm |
    • Rachael

      I know that a post on reddit means more than the opinion of an "ignorant Christian" but you should really do your own research when it comes to the Bible. I'll not force my opinion on you. Just merely suggest that you "do your research" before commenting.

      "The KGV was not translated by 8 people, but by five committees, made up of the some of the very best scholars of the era. It was not edited from previous translations, by translated from the original Greek and Hebrew. The Tyndale translation (an extraordinary piece of work in itself) along with some other vernacular translations were available as reference to the scholars as much to ensure they were correcting earlier errors as anything.

      The KGV is certainly remains one of the most important books ever published. More than any other single work it has helped shape the English language, inspired great music, literature and art etc. You don't have to believe in God to acknowledge a: It's wonderful literary style and power b: It's great scholarship c: It's lasting influence."

      June 4, 2013 at 11:13 pm |
    • tallulah13

      It's ego. Pure ego. There is no one quite so arrogant (or unpleasant) on this site as HS. Although Chad gets awfully close.

      June 5, 2013 at 12:26 am |
    • Athy

      Heaven Sent seems to simply quote the bible incessantly, very little original content. Chad simply presents his same vacuous argument that the bible is true because the bible says so. Neither can present a convincing case.

      June 5, 2013 at 1:10 am |
    • sam stone

      tallulah, don't forget Gopher...

      June 5, 2013 at 5:18 am |
    • Leif

      " The oldest manuscripts we have were written down hundreds of years after the last "apostle" died?"

      Sorry, but most the oldest manuscript is only a few miles from where I am sitting, I could go read it tomorrow if I want. Its at The British Museum. Its called the "Codex Sinaiticus" http://bit.ly/13gxqf4
      Please Read the gospel of Mark from this copy Mark 16:8
      In the oldest copy of the Bible Mark ends with verse 8
      There is no resurrection account from Mark

      sources:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Sinaiticus
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mark

      June 5, 2013 at 5:50 am |
    • Arthur Bryant

      For people who, unlike HeavenBent are capable of coming up with their own answers, the response to this is always a variation on the theme of "They were inspired by the Holy Spo.ok and therefore made no errors". No matter how insane the answers, they always have them.

      June 6, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
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