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Atheists to start 1-800 hotline for doubters
The group Recovering from Religion plans to start a helpline for people struggling with religious doubts.
June 4th, 2013
03:08 PM ET

Atheists to start 1-800 hotline for doubters

By Dan Merica, CNN

(CNN) – Who can people call when religious doubts arise, but they're afraid to talk to their faith leaders or families?

A group that helps people "recover" from religion says it's ready to pick up the phone.

Recovering from Religion, which has about 40 support groups in the U.S. and Britain, plans to launch a hotline that will offer doubters an anonymous place to ask difficult questions and find communities of like-minded nonbelievers.

The group plans to staff the help line 24 hours a day and is modeling it after services like suicide prevention hotlines.

Sarah Morehead, executive director of Recovering from Religion, told CNN that the mission is to help people, not convert them to atheism.

“A lot of the times they just need someone to talk to," Morehead said.

The 1-800 number has yet to be named. Recovering from Religion is trying to raise $30,000 by June 30 to fund "The Hotline Project" with up to 40 counselors.

Ideally, the help line would be live by the holiday season, said Morehead, which is often a difficult time for people struggling with religious doubts.

Photos: Famous atheists and their beliefs

The idea for the hotline sprang up after calls came in to the Recovering from Religion phone line from people who were questioning their faith and needed to talk to someone. Morehead said she gets a few calls every day and hundreds of e-mails a month from people seeking counseling.

From there, she said, it seemed a hotline that provided a permanent, anonymous place to talk to someone was the best option.

"Coming out" as a nonbeliever - or even a doubter - can often be extremely difficult, Morehead and others say. In addition to the existential worries, budding nonbelievers run the risk of alienating family and friends.

The help line’s volunteer counselors will be trained to not engage in religious debate, Morehead said. Instead, they will try to give callers “practical, action-oriented solutions.”

When someone first calls the hotline, the counselor will start by simply asking the caller to talk about his or her personal story, said Morehead.

Later, the counselor and the caller might work on an action plan. The caller's goals may concern formally leaving religion altogether, but Morehead said that counselors will also offer advice on finding a new faith or connecting with a local community of nonbelievers.

Some blogs have questioned the hotline, however, calling it a ploy to increase the number of atheists in America.

Headlines like “New 1-800 Number Funded By Liberals To Convert Christians to Atheists,” for example, have cropped up at a number of conservative blogs.

Morehead said her critics fail to grasp the point of Recovering from Religion.

“Most of the people who contact us are working their way towards disbelief, so of course we are very equipped to handle that,” Morehead said. “That is not the goal, though, or the job of the facilitators.”

Photos: 'Born-again' celebrities

This hotline is not completely unique in the world of religious "nones" – people who either don’t believe in God or don’t affiliate with any religious beliefs. Atheists have long discussed disbelief in the comfort of online anonymity.

“We have seen how important the Internet is, especially young people questioning their faith, and this provides them with another resource with a different focus,” said Jesse Galef, communications director for the Secular Student Alliance. “For people who want more guidance, I think this resource will be very valuable.”

Services that help religious doubters have thrived recently.

The Clergy Project, an online community for preachers who no longer believe in God, has grown from 52 to nearly 500 people since its founding in 2011, said Teresa MacBain, the former executive director of the project.

MacBain, a former pastor who converted to atheism, called the help line "another way for people to contact someone anonymously and discuss the struggles they are having for their beliefs.”

“If this project had been around when I found the Clergy Project, I would have used it.”

MacBain said she plans to get training as one of the counselors and hopes to be answering calls when the service launches.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Atheism • Belief • United States

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  1. Lucifer's Evil Twin

    Same shit, different day... again. However, I did notice that doG has his own stalker now though... LOL!

    June 6, 2013 at 11:20 am |
    • Dyslexic doG

      it's the Spanish inquisition all over again! 🙂

      June 6, 2013 at 11:53 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin (AKA: Loki)

      Not the Spanish Inquisition!

      June 6, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      as a doG I am used to other dogs like @lol?? sniffing around my sphincter ...

      June 6, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin (AKA: Loki)

      "sniffing around my sphincter" LOL

      June 6, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
    • Science

      Morning dog the inquisition looks like it is over

      Destiny & DNA......................World Science Festival

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      Professor Richard Dawkins – "What if you're wrong?"

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      "Creationists make it sound like a ‘theory’ is something you ... are all over it. ... that says I must submit to him or suffer agonizing punishment for all time?

      8,000,000 yesterday, today numbers are 27,200,000 results Any time Bing

      The e word wins all the time creationists ..........no god(s) made US............get over IT

      Make sure to highlight above phrase..............then click on the little blue box and search with Bing.

      Think out side the box and have fun .

      AND 3 BILLION year old what ?

      Three-Billion-Year-Old Microfossils Include Plankton

      June 6, 2013 — Spindle-shaped inclusions in three-billion-year-old rocks are microfossils of plankton that probably inhabited the oceans around the globe during that time, according to an international team of researchers.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130606155123.htm

      Agree the bible is BS !!!

      Biblical Marriage Not Defined Simply As One Man, One Woman: Iowa Religious Scholars' Op-Ed

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/06/biblical-marriage-iowa-scholars-op-ed_n_3397304.html?
      utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/24/has-the-oklahoma-atheist-been-saved/#comments

      http://www.discovertheforest.org/

      http://boostnation.boostup.org/

      http://www.ted.com/talks

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      The Light...is...Science Wins God Loses | Facebook................from the little blue box.........think outside the box. https://www.facebook.com/ScienceWinsGodLoses "Creationists make it sound like a ‘theory’ is something you ... are all over it. ... that says I must submit to him or suffer agonizing punishment for all time? 8,000,000 results Any time.

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      lol??
      Your comment is awaiting moderation.
      Well, the hotline has already resulted in death when they muscled out this pair of like minded crooks. No honor amongst thieves!!
      New York (CNN) – Two life coaches who hosted a radio show called "The Pursuit of Happiness" apparently committed suicide together in their Brooklyn apartment, police said.
      Motivational speaker John Littig, 48, and his common-law psychotherapist wife, Lynne Rosen, 46, were found with plastic bags over their heads and a tube attached to a canister of helium, according to police............"
      A&A's are so um, well, evangelical!!

      June 9, 2013 at 12:36 am | Report abuse | Reply

      Science

      Yea the sh-it is happening again hey lol??.............YOU KNOW.

      The pentagram ..............markings of an implosion on a chondrite/stony iron meteorite.

      Doobs comment disappeared also that was under post with comment about the pentagram lol??

      June 9, 2013 at 11:09 am |
  2. AverageJoe76

    @ Dyslexic doG – Thanks! I just don't get why they would want us to fake it. And if God's real, then GOD would appreciate it also! Why follow like a lemming when you have serious issues with the material presented?!?

    June 6, 2013 at 10:51 am |
    • lol??

      Dog is not a former lemming. He's a former kitty, before the operation.

      June 6, 2013 at 11:03 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Isaiah 29:13-16

      13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
      14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
      15 Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?
      16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?  (KJV)

      Amen.

      June 6, 2013 at 11:36 am |
    • Dyslexic doG

      look @Heavensent ... we can all quote a story book:

      Happiness can be found, even in the darkest of times, if one only remembers to turn on the light.
      – Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban

      I'm not sure what quoting a story book proves but hey, I thought I'd join in. You seem to have fun with it. 🙂

      June 6, 2013 at 11:57 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Dog, making up lies to believe does not help you help you to save your soul. Jesus had His truth about life and the hereafter (the Bible) scribed so all of us would know and obey what He wants, so we can dwell with Him for eternity. I use His freewill He gave me wisely. You should consider that too.

      June 6, 2013 at 12:22 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      @Heavensent: how can you say that the Bible is the words of Jesus scribed ... ?

      The King James version of the new testament was completed in 1611 by 8 members of the church of England. There were (and still are) NO original texts to translate. The oldest manuscripts we have were written down 100's of years after the last apostle died. There are over 8,000 of these old manuscripts with no two alike. The king james translators used none of these anyway. Instead they edited previous translations to create a version their king and parliament would approve. So.... 21st century christians believe the "word of god" is a book edited in the 17th century from the 16th century translations of 8,000 contradictory copies of 4th century scrolls that claim to be copies of lost letters written in the 1st century.

      I may as well worship the Harry Potter series.

      June 6, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      dog,

      2 Timothy 3:16

      16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (KJV)

      Amen.

      June 6, 2013 at 1:15 pm |
    • What IF

      HeavenSent,
      "16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (KJV)"

      All scripture? Even Kim's? Mohammads? Joseph Smith's? David Koresh's? Heaven's Gate?

      And how about that deal in your chosen rendition of "scriptures" with the unfaithful wives having their thighs rot?
      And the method for breeding striped goats?
      And the sloppy estimation of pi?

      June 6, 2013 at 1:28 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      What IF,

      Romans 5:6-10

      6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
      7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
      8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
      9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
      10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. KJV

      Amen.

      June 9, 2013 at 11:01 am |
  3. AverageJoe76

    WOE BE UNTO THE NON-BELIEVER; the faithful just don't get where my head has been. If I say, "I believe Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior", then I'd be lying to myself. Would you faithful be happy with a faker in your ranks? One that says, "I believe", when in fact, I'm so very doubtful? If you'd rather not be around a fake, then applaud those bold enough to NOT fake it. Atheists and agnostics cannot fake it anymore. We cannot appease you anymore. We've always had questions that religion cannot answer. The descriptions of God in any of these ancient text don't measure up to the information thats pouring into our modern societies. Most of us see things scientifically, and not through faith-filled eyes.

    So, woe be unto us, the non-believers. The skeptics. For looking up at the stars and saying, "we don't know ka-ka" then laughing. Woe to our imaginations. Woe to the mysterious. We are fodder to Satan and his minions for asking questions that challenge the idea of a God that is everything, is everywhere, and knows everything, yet tells me I have 'free will'.

    June 6, 2013 at 10:24 am |
    • lol??

      You have a HOTline for former fakers. Call your lady, err, shared lady.

      June 6, 2013 at 10:31 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Daniel 12:8-10

      8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
      9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
      10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.  KJV

      Amen.

      June 6, 2013 at 10:37 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Revelation 21:8

      But the fearful, and u.nbelieving, and the a.bominable, and m.urderers, and w.horemongers, and s.orcerers, and i.dolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

      Amen.

      June 6, 2013 at 10:40 am |
    • Dyslexic doG

      @HeavenSent

      Job 13:5
      If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

      June 6, 2013 at 10:41 am |
    • Pete

      "Daniel 12:8-10

      8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
      9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
      10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. "

      HeavenSent has proven repeatedly that she doesn't understand the snippets of scriptures she posts. She just lied on another post proving she can't follow the commandments in the bible and clearly doesn't comprehend the meaning of this particular scriptures because she is actually the wicked one for lying therefore doesn't understand.

      June 6, 2013 at 10:43 am |
    • Dyslexic doG

      @AverageJoe76

      Well said Joe! So, so, so many people like you that dutifully go to church but know what pile of fantasy Christianity is.

      In the words of Neil deGràsse Tyson - "God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance!"

      June 6, 2013 at 10:43 am |
    • Science

      The sh-it has hit the fan HS is here to save the day.

      June 6, 2013 at 10:44 am |
    • AverageJoe76

      @HeavenSent – Ah.... using scripture.. to teach me a lesson. Great.

      I mean, it's been working on me this long. Good stragedy.

      And @ lol?? – Andrew Dice Clay called, and he wants his corny material back.

      June 6, 2013 at 10:46 am |
    • Pete

      "Revelation 21:8

      But the fearful, and u.nbelieving, and the a.bominable, and m.urderers, and w.horemongers, and s.orcerers, and i.dolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

      Amen."

      Again HeavenSent is taking scriptures out of context because it you took this snippet at face value, there isn’t a person who has ever lived who hasn’t committed at least one of the sins on this list. That would mean even HeavenSent and all other Christians are destined for hell.

      June 6, 2013 at 10:46 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Pete, do you believe Jesus Christ is God?

      June 6, 2013 at 10:54 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Joe, the problem with skepticism is that it is self defeating. When you claim "There is not truth", you are making a statement of truth. IF there is no truth, then your skepticism is in error. The best approach is a healthy skepticism that does not accept things at face value but explores the substance of them. My issue with most agnostics is their propensity to "explore" from the detachment of scientific empiricism at the expense of spiritual immersion. In other words, reading about snow skiing is not the same as strapping on the skis and launching down the mountain. The great Christian mystics will almost universally admit, at the summit of their ecstasy, that "we don't know ka-ka". By contrast, the preponderance of believers AND unbelievers are content with only cursory and frankly lazy justifications for their views. You'll have to decide for yourself if you have been diligent or not.

      June 6, 2013 at 10:54 am |
    • Dave

      HeavenSent's ego is being challenged and she doesn't like it when it's put back on her.

      June 6, 2013 at 10:55 am |
    • oOo

      I don't know why Scented Tissue thinks Revelation is so convincing. It seems much more likely that J of P ate some of the same bad shrooms that S of T had to come up with that mess.

      June 6, 2013 at 10:58 am |
    • Science

      HS is that you chadie ?

      June 6, 2013 at 10:58 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Pete, part of your post is "Again HeavenSent is taking scriptures out of context because it you took this snippet at face value, there isn’t a person who has ever lived who hasn’t committed at least one of the sins on this list. That would mean even HeavenSent and all other Christians are destined for hell."

      Answers: Believers in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior repent to Him of any sin we should commit, then sin no more.

      June 6, 2013 at 10:58 am |
    • Pete

      "Pete, part of your post is "Again HeavenSent is taking scriptures out of context because it you took this snippet at face value, there isn’t a person who has ever lived who hasn’t committed at least one of the sins on this list. That would mean even HeavenSent and all other Christians are destined for hell."

      Answers: Believers in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior repent to Him of any sin we should commit, then sin no more."

      The point was you posted a snippet of scripture out of context AGAIN, which is why you have to put an answer down now. Thanks for proving my point.

      June 6, 2013 at 11:00 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Science, has your unbelief waffled into other areas of your life that you think I'm posting under others' handles?

      June 6, 2013 at 11:04 am |
    • Dave

      Pete, HS can't have a normal conversation about the scriptures so I believe you are right that she actually doesn't know the bible.

      June 6, 2013 at 11:04 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Pete, you didn't answer my question.

      June 6, 2013 at 11:06 am |
    • Dave

      There is a troll that posts under HS's handle as well as others, so it makes others question it.

      June 6, 2013 at 11:06 am |
    • Science

      Well HS if it is the true HS..................HS + BS = BS

      June 6, 2013 at 11:09 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Dave, I'm still waiting for Pete to answer my question.

      June 6, 2013 at 11:12 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Wouldn't it be HS x Science = HS/BS ?

      June 6, 2013 at 11:13 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Science. remember to focus on Jesus Christ's truth. He, not science, will save your soul.

      June 6, 2013 at 11:14 am |
    • Science

      HS ..............he is lower case and the sole is on the bottom of shoe.

      June 6, 2013 at 11:19 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Pete, if you haven't a clue. The Book of Revelation is the last book in the Bible revealing end of days. That's your generation, the days we live in now, since 1948 when Israel got their land back. Revelation 21-8, is Jesus telling all who is not dwelling with Him for eternity.

      June 6, 2013 at 11:20 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Science, I use uppercase showing my respect for Him.

      June 6, 2013 at 11:23 am |
    • Illusive

      Just so everyone knows, Heaven Sent is a troll that has been around since I can remember here, I might even go as far as to say that Heaven Sent is not even a Christian. and to respond to a few points
      1. Prove that a soul even exists
      2.Prove that the bible you quote so often is a valid source, what makes it more valid than any other holy book?

      June 6, 2013 at 11:26 am |
    • Science

      Submit your Site to Bing...............HS.................create an attribute ?

      June 6, 2013 at 11:27 am |
    • AverageJoe76

      @BIll Deacon – Thanks for that constructive response. And I hear you, all science and no spirit, doesn't help. But all I've done as an agnostic, is take into consideration that I was privy to a Christian background, because I'm surrounded by Christians. My viewpoint would be different if surrounded by Buddists. Or Muslims. My belief was passed down to me by my surroundings. So I asked, "would if this is wrong?". I started to bug me. And to be honest, what was passed down to me, wasn't making sense. I've felt that I would settle when things made sense. They never have, and that's what drove me to agnosticism.

      June 6, 2013 at 11:42 am |
    • Science

      Hey HS...................truth below with source !

      Oldest Primate Fossil Skeleton Found In China

      Seth Borenstein, Associated Press | Jun. 5, 2013, 2:14 PM

      Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/oldest-primate-fossil-skeleton-found-in-china-2013-6#ixzz2VS35T5QS

      June 6, 2013 at 11:46 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Illusive, lying and smoke screening my handle does not negate Jesus' truth. Now, answer as Pete or as Tom, whichever handle you prefer.

      June 6, 2013 at 11:47 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Science, what is the purpose of your posts? If you are trying to disprove Jesus' truth about this earth's age, you're wrong due to not knowing His truth. As far as I know, Jesus hasn't unveiled the age of the world in scriptures. If it's in the Bible, no one has eyes too see or ears to hear His truth yet. He did however, tell us in scriptures that there are 3 heaven ages and 3 earth ages. You would know that, not only from reading Christians' posts, but, reading the Bible yourself.

      June 6, 2013 at 11:55 am |
    • Dyslexic doG

      here's one for you @HeavenSent

      Job 13:5
      If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom.

      June 6, 2013 at 12:00 pm |
    • Science

      Hey HS...................Adam and his bone does not create eve.

      June 6, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
    • Ayn Rand

      HeavenSent,
      That dark, incoherent passion within you, which you take as the voice of god is nothing more than the corpse of your mind.

      June 6, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

      Ephesians 5:6

      Amen.

      June 6, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Science, correction. Jesus did tell us how old the world is. Infinite, for those that will dwell with Him for eternity.

      June 6, 2013 at 12:30 pm |
    • Science

      Wow ...............HS ...................to much BS !

      June 6, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Pete, cough, Reality, cough, Tommy Tom, cough Scotty, you posted "part of your post is "Again HeavenSent is taking scriptures out of context because it you took this snippet at face value, there isn’t a person who has ever lived who hasn’t committed at least one of the sins on this list. That would mean even HeavenSent and all other Christians are destined for hell."

      Answers: Believers in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior repent to Him of any sin we should commit, then sin no more."

      The point was you posted a snippet of scripture out of context AGAIN, which is why you have to put an answer down now. Thanks for proving my point."

      Answer: Pete, should everyone go back to "see Spot Run", "Run, Spot, Run" to appease your distaste for scriptures?

      June 7, 2013 at 2:46 pm |
    • Science

      Hey HS.................all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ no god(s) needed or required...........the bible is BS !!!

      Creationists/bible thumpers..... Doogie too.

      Biblical Marriage Not Defined Simply As One Man, One Woman: Iowa Religious Scholars' Op-Ed

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/06/biblical-marriage-iowa-scholars-op-ed_n_3397304.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

      June 7, 2013 at 2:54 pm |
  4. rashed

    Actually, I think you'd probably control bokeh in post. Just a thought, but an interesting way you'd accomplish this is by combining the infinite depth of field camera with some sort of low power laser to do a depth map of the scene. if you recorded the two set of data together (could actually do a 2 pixel camera, 1 sensitive to the visual light, one which would record the laser reflections), you'd have the ability to really control just about everything about how the image ends up appearing. Could be interesting.

    June 6, 2013 at 10:13 am |
  5. CK

    I’ll get the ball moving towards peacehood:

    Lol? will admit that religion will admit that religion has been the cause of a lot of wars if the atheist admit that God without a doubt exists.

    June 6, 2013 at 9:43 am |
    • lol??

      I already have a mediator. Try a new line of work.

      June 6, 2013 at 9:46 am |
    • CK

      Have you been paying that mediator? I’ve been working pro bono this entire time.

      June 6, 2013 at 9:48 am |
    • Thoth

      Religion has been the cause of wars = Fact

      Without doubt God exists = Not Fact

      See how that works?

      June 6, 2013 at 9:56 am |
    • Science

      Scientists Map the Wiring of the Biological Clock..............what does it say lol??

      June 5, 2013 — The World Health Organization lists shift work as a potential carcinogen, says Erik Herzog, PhD, Professor of Biology in Arts & Sciences at Washington University in St. Louis. And that's just one example among many of the troubles we cause ourselves when we override the biological clocks in our brains and pay attention instead to the mechanical clocks on our wrists.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/

      June 6, 2013 at 9:58 am |
    • lol??

      Do-gooders are just as dangerous as any other blind h0m0sap.

      June 6, 2013 at 9:59 am |
    • CK

      Thoth,

      Sure but in order to have peace on this board, both sides have to make compromises.

      June 6, 2013 at 9:59 am |
    • Thoth

      @CK – The core position of an atheist is the rejection of man's claims about the existence of gods/goddesses. How would 'admiting there is a god' be a 'compromise'? Seems more like a surrender to nonsense IMO.

      Compromise would be: Believe what you wish so long as it infringes on no one else.

      June 6, 2013 at 10:05 am |
    • midwest rail

      I'm sure you'd love having no one here to question your bullsh!t.

      June 6, 2013 at 10:12 am |
    • Thoth

      @lol?? – you misinterpret, and left off the rest of the statement.

      The CNN Belief Blog covers the faith angles of the day's biggest stories, from breaking news to politics to entertainment, fostering a global conversation about the role of religion and belief in readers' lives.

      Where's the supernatural requirement? 'Faith' is merely belief without reason. It doesn't have to invoke supernatural. For example, I can say "I have faith in your ability to drive a tractor"....

      June 6, 2013 at 10:17 am |
    • Thoth

      @lol?? oh the irony....accusing someone of stealing something from the bible. I'm guessing you don't understand so I'll elucidate. Much of the content of the bible is borrowed, recycled, revisioned folklore and myth from previous civilizations. The most blatent of which was poorly revised version of the epic of Gilgemesh.

      As for the definition of faith – id est quod id est.....

      June 6, 2013 at 10:34 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      lolly: Your own book proves what Thoth said about the meaning of faith...Hebrew 11:1-Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.

      June 6, 2013 at 10:55 am |
  6. CK

    I think Lol? And the atheists on this site should stop the bickering. Wouldn’t you all be happier as companions instead of bitter rivals?

    June 6, 2013 at 9:17 am |
    • Dyslexic doG

      Agreed. Can't we all just get along?

      Let's all behave like humanists and be good to our fellow man. All this fighting makes us sound like religious zealots.

      June 6, 2013 at 9:28 am |
    • Bill & Ted

      "Be excellent to each other."

      June 6, 2013 at 9:37 am |
  7. Honey Badger Don't Care

    Austin,

    Provide evidence to support your claim that a god, particularly your god, exists. Any reliable evidence will do.

    June 6, 2013 at 9:05 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Honey Badger
      Be careful or God will transmogriphy you into a condiment.

      June 6, 2013 at 9:11 am |
    • Ed

      and a Secret Decoder Ring. Better look that one up loller.

      June 6, 2013 at 9:13 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Badger, when you rid yourself of your ego (become humble) (ego means to Erase God Out), ask Jesus for forgiveness of all your sins you know of, plus sins you had no clue was a sin, then sin no more, you will then start your walk with Jesus. You will then have your eyes and ears open to His truth.

      June 6, 2013 at 9:18 am |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care

      That is YOUR definition of ego. Ego is a very good trait to have that we evolved to help us survive.

      I won’t be pledging my allegiance to any make believe storybook characters anytime soon. You can keep talking to your imaginary friends all you want but I will live in the real world.

      June 6, 2013 at 9:48 am |
    • Pete

      HeavenSent
      I think it takes a much bigger ego to go around seeing yourself as the special creation of the most perfect being imaginable, placed in a universe specially made for us. Compared to feeling overwhelmed by the vastness of the cosmos as a nonbeliever, your ego seems absolutely huge.

      June 6, 2013 at 9:49 am |
    • oOo

      It was a simple question from HB – why the complaint about ego? Conflicted judgments from Christians humble? Hah. That's a laugh. Try answering the question, and then get back to us on being "humble".

      June 6, 2013 at 9:52 am |
  8. Austin

    Topher, is that me?

    June 6, 2013 at 9:04 am |
    • Science

      Chad needs a cookie ?

      June 9, 2013 at 2:00 pm |
  9. mama k

    Yesterday I reported that Tues. night the UK House of Lords passed the gay marriage act which will eventually need QEII's signature. I mentioned someone, prior to passage of the act, complaining that QEII would be breaking her coronation oath by signing such a bill. It turns out that was former Church of England Bishop Michael James Nazir-Ali (has dual citizenship in UK & Pakistan). Lol – squirm squirm Anglican Communion. And the Archbishop of Canterbury gave a warning about possible effects of the new act before passage. Some more squirming. But perhaps a bold statement on his part being that he's only been the A of C for four months. As the act passed the upper house, "The Telegraph" reported that the Church of England is giving up its fight against gay marriage.

    It's quite an interesting relationship between the Lords, the C of E and the monarchy's role in appointments. The upper house of the UK Parliament is, after all, comprised partially by the Church of England bishops who themselves are essentially nominated, then appointed by the queen (Supreme Governor of the C of E) on the advice of the PM. This former Bishop of Rochester Nazir-Ali was in office for fifteen years ending in 2009. I would imagine the queen might have some words with Mr. Nazir-Ali if she ran into him (or requested his presence); lol.

    June 6, 2013 at 8:42 am |
  10. CK

    Even though I am religious, I have NO problem with Atheists.

    June 6, 2013 at 8:37 am |
    • Dyslexic doG

      Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby.

      - Penn Jillette

      June 6, 2013 at 9:29 am |
    • Pete (the original poster)

      doG
      I think it was Bill Maher who said something like "Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a se xual position." 🙂

      Funny how Christians prefer to use the last definition usually listed, the most informal definition, for things like "Religion" and "Theory" when it suits their needs, eh?

      June 6, 2013 at 10:19 am |
  11. Doc Vestibule

    @Austin
    On July 24th, 2011, a group of 18 myserious objects hovered around Vancouver City Hall for 6 h ours.
    Earlier that day, a videographer named Les Mursza sent an email to his reported friend Jon Kelly telling him about a dream he'd had the night before that prompted him to setup his cameras and wait patiently all afternoon for the UFOs to appear.
    Between the two of them, they gathered regular and night vision video of the eerie orbs which they believe to be alien spacecraft.
    Their assertion is that pre-cognitive dreams are a mechanism of non-physical human contact with extraterrestrials.
    Are you sure it was Jesus who gave you your amazing pre-cognition and not a bug eyed alien from beyond Neptune?

    June 6, 2013 at 8:32 am |
    • Austin

      if those aliens are real, they have inter deminsional power, spiritual power. they are not just extra terrestrial. Satan is tremendously powerful . if you look at Gen 6 then we can conclude that the only explanation for aliens is a demonic explanation.

      June 6, 2013 at 8:35 am |
    • Austin

      if those aliens are real, they have inter deminsional power, spiritual power. they are not just extra terrestrial. Satan is tremendously powerful . if you look at Gen 6 then we can conclude that the only explanation for aliens is a demonic explanation.

      My experience revolve around the bible. so I hope i was not influenced by demonic impostering to help me make a mockery of genuine faith.

      do i believe in aliens....................not forsure. do i believe they could be demons who were eternal spirits, banished from earth at the flood. yes. this is a possibility.

      June 6, 2013 at 8:38 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Austin
      I can honestly say I didn't expect that response.
      Do you believe in the possibility of life on other planets?

      June 6, 2013 at 8:39 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      To paraphrase Capt. Kirk:
      "What does Satan need with a starship?"

      June 6, 2013 at 8:41 am |
    • Austin

      The book of Enoch, a very interesting book in the ethopian cannon, talks in depth about "the watchers." These are fallen angels, and it says that during the flood, they took off from their earthly positions as leaders on earth and were banished to the heavenly realm.

      I believe it's a possibility.

      June 6, 2013 at 8:53 am |
    • Austin

      Topher, is that me??

      June 6, 2013 at 9:04 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Perhaps L. Ron got it right.
      Thetans = demons
      Xenu = Satan

      We should all speak with our body Thetans immediately and let them know about the whole nuclear volcano deal and that it's OK for them to move on. The way we can become Clear and explore our true potential as human beings, just like Tom Cruise.

      June 6, 2013 at 9:17 am |
    • Pete (the original poster)

      Austin
      Wouldn't it be more intuitive to suggest that aliens appearing here in futuristic craft did so through advanced technology rather than spiritual magic?

      June 6, 2013 at 10:22 am |
  12. The real Tom

    When I read Austin's posts, I get deja poo...I've seen this shit before.

    June 6, 2013 at 8:00 am |
    • Austin

      ahahaahaha. good one. Jesus loves you. God bless us with faith, one and all..

      June 6, 2013 at 8:06 am |
    • Science

      Posted it many times billy/austin it is on CNN the book billie I will repost it here again Billy ...........who where you that day ?

      Pope's book on Jesus debunks Christmas myths

      https://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/22/popes-book-on-jesus-debunks-christmas-myths/?iref=allsearch

      My aunt of 85 years old Austin did NOT like it and was mad as hell.

      June 6, 2013 at 8:15 am |
    • Austin

      Tom, the exact date does not matter, and I have always know that Christmas is just a cherry picked date.

      It does not matter. We are not saved based upon our religious attendence of Christmas eve concert.

      June 6, 2013 at 8:19 am |
    • midwest rail

      Science (?) – why the tap dance ? There is NO question on the link you provided. Ask the damn question if you really want an answer.

      June 6, 2013 at 8:21 am |
    • Austin

      OOPS ......Science, Jesus Christ is risen. christmas is a scheduled event. it's just for fun and consideration. all ceremonial attendence is just what bored people do to stay busy.

      The resurrection is the event that with power and authority gives us reason to reflect as people who don't control and perfectly have a grasp on this turning world of untruths.

      June 6, 2013 at 8:21 am |
    • Science

      hey Austin .............to simple for you ................no angels = always has be bullsh-it.

      Which means no fairy in the sky or red horn-y beast.

      June 6, 2013 at 8:25 am |
    • Science

      oops been

      June 6, 2013 at 8:26 am |
    • Austin

      science, God reveals Himself within the heart of man. God did a work in me. He provided a testimonly that stands the test of time, beyond any church or book. The living God is who lives. not the legend of the bible. not a religious inst.itution.

      Im not sure what you are talking about when it comes to angels, which are real. and so are demons.

      I have experience. God has all ready given me faith. I did not submit to religion. God gave me faith. Paul did not submit the christians. He submitted to God.

      June 6, 2013 at 8:32 am |
    • Science

      So Austin with all the facts in place ...............no angels in the picture...........is it good to teach children

      About Adam and his BONE ?

      June 6, 2013 at 8:39 am |
    • science

      Hey Austin what does it say below ?

      Life On Earth Shockingly Comes from out of This World

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130605144326.htm

      June 6, 2013 at 8:49 am |
    • Austin

      all the facts in place? science, thats a leap. I have a personal experience that gives me a complete grasp on the reality of God.

      Its' been done. Jehovah Shammah, Our Lord is There.

      June 6, 2013 at 8:49 am |
    • Science

      And Prof Higgs do a search Austin.

      Glad it can NOT be taught in public schools Austin in the US

      June 6, 2013 at 8:54 am |
    • Science

      Evolution created US Austin get over IT !!!

      June 6, 2013 at 9:01 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Thank you midwest. I've tried repeatedly to get the question from science. It's like trying to talk to V-ger

      June 6, 2013 at 9:04 am |
    • Austin

      Topher, is that me?

      June 6, 2013 at 9:05 am |
    • Dwayne

      Too funny, the artful dodger Dull Beacon itself whining about someone else's question answering.

      June 6, 2013 at 9:07 am |
    • Science

      Who where you that day bill ?

      June 6, 2013 at 9:07 am |
    • Ed

      Well, Austin and Bill D are a fine pair. Neither can handle reality, and both are detached from it.

      June 6, 2013 at 9:10 am |
    • Science

      The comments are COMEDY GOLD on that tread Bill !

      June 6, 2013 at 9:19 am |
    • Science

      Oops thread..................but maybe not so good for children Bill ?

      June 6, 2013 at 9:25 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      I'm sorry Ed, I can't recall a conversation with you. Perhaps it's the mundane name. Is there an issue between us or are you just one of those who likes to pile on?

      June 6, 2013 at 9:29 am |
    • Science

      Between your ears bill ..............take a look ?

      June 6, 2013 at 10:04 am |
    • Science

      Bill you want a pile of what................go to Google and do a simple search about the se-x crimes of the RCC.

      June 6, 2013 at 10:35 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Science, you like math. Here’s some:

      Seexual abuse statistics vary between countries and reports, but are consistently alarming: One country's research shows that up to 36% of girls and 29% of boys have suffered child seexual abuse; another study reveals up to 46% of girls and 20% of boys have experienced seexual coercion (The 57th session of the UN Commission on Human Rights10).

      U.S. population = 300 million+, means that at 30% offense rates, 90 million or so individuals currently alive have suffered seexual abuse, in the U.S.

      From the John Jay report there are 11,000 cases of Catholic seex abuse cases since 1950 in the U.S.. I say we triple it because you know for every credible report there must be two not reported, right?

      So, 90,000,000 – 33,000 = 89,967,000 cases not related to Catholic clergy.

      I know the issue then becomes the cover up but my question is who is covering up the other 89 million?

      The U.S. Dept. of Education survey shows a suspected level of 50 million cases are attributable to the public school system so I'll only ask you to answer about the remaining 39 million

      June 6, 2013 at 11:45 am |
    • Science

      Have at it bill that issue has been address before.............you know................like the angels.

      June 6, 2013 at 11:53 am |
  13. Science

    Hey Bill the truth comes out about the angels after all these years Bill ................what does that teach the children BILLY ?

    June 6, 2013 at 7:29 am |
    • Science

      Question for you too Chad !

      June 6, 2013 at 7:33 am |
    • Austin

      I think Chad's IQ is a ways up there.

      June 6, 2013 at 7:44 am |
    • Science

      Answer the question Austin/chad and bill !

      The chicken did cross the road Austin ...............can you ?

      June 6, 2013 at 7:49 am |
    • The real Tom

      "I think Chad's IQ is a ways up there."

      Yeah, it's "a ways up" his ass.

      June 6, 2013 at 7:50 am |
    • Austin

      what truth about what angels............Gen 6?

      June 6, 2013 at 7:51 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      "I think Chad's IQ is a ways up there."

      Being 5 points above your IQ isn't saying a lot. The difference between you and Chad is he argues using pseudo science, you argue using dreams...neither showing much intelligence but yet both showing that some people hate reality.

      June 6, 2013 at 7:56 am |
    • Science

      The real Tom

      So true !

      June 6, 2013 at 8:00 am |
    • Austin

      Truth Prevails, Im sorry. There is nothing i can do, now that i have the file with data, and the memory of what actually took place. and it was nothing short of supernatural. What i experienced is more than 99 percent of people will experience.

      You understand that when it comes to God, i might sin, but i would lie about the experience God took me through. number one, i cant lie to myself, and two, I fear God knowing what He has and is capable of doing.

      It is a choice to make Jesus the master of your life becoming obedient, but many people know God is there for a fact, and still remain unrepentant. they do not yeild to the Holy Spirit because it is a battle. For me, I have a file with proof of God.

      June 6, 2013 at 8:01 am |
    • Austin

      I WOULD NOT LIE ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE GOD GAVE ME. DUH.

      June 6, 2013 at 8:02 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Austin: You're lying when you say it was god based on the lack of evidence supporting your imaginary friend. Isn't lying a sin in your fairy tale?

      June 6, 2013 at 8:26 am |
    • sam stone

      "I fear God knowing what He has and is capable of doing."

      Yet you seek to spend eternity with this pr1ck?

      If you can PROVE, god, do it. You will be rich and famous

      Otherwise, you are just another delusional christian posting on anonymous blogs

      June 6, 2013 at 8:27 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Despite sciences inability to ask a direct question, let's see if we can put this canard to rest:

      The pope has stated that the popular stylization of the nativity is not theologically consistent with the scholarly accounts of the event.

      In other words, Madison avenue sold your grandma the idea of angels singing so you could get a wagon. The reality of the birth of Christ was more stark. Your problem is you use your incredulity at the lie you were told to discount the truth that was made present. No wonder you're confused.

      June 6, 2013 at 9:22 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Once in royal David’s city
      Stood a lowly cattle shed,
      Where a mother laid her Baby
      In a manger for His bed:
      Mary was that mother mild,
      Jesus Christ her little Child.

      June 6, 2013 at 9:44 am |
    • Pete

      "Where a mother laid her Baby
      In a manger for His bed:
      Mary was that mother mild,
      Jesus Christ her little Child."

      What you can't comprehend is there are other pagan religions that believed children where made from the gods, doesn't mean they are true.

      June 6, 2013 at 9:47 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      You'd do well to remember the things He later said.

      June 6, 2013 at 10:11 am |
    • Pete

      "You'd do well to remember the things He later said."

      And you would be well to remember the bible is not an historical document because it's made up crap by people to sell a religion, just like all the other bogus religions that man has created. There is proof that other pagan religions had virgin mothers and son's of gods, they aren't true and neither is the bibles.

      June 6, 2013 at 10:30 am |
  14. MIB

    ((Flashy thing))) You did not see any ghosts, gods or aliens. You did not astral project. You did not have dejavu, premonitions or access the akashic records because there is no such thing. It was all swamp gas. Thank you for calling 1-800-flashything.

    June 6, 2013 at 7:26 am |
  15. Dyslexic doG

    I wake with this new day to read a number of posts from last night quoting Christian propaganda websites and Christian propaganda authors trying to use smoke and mirrors and technicalities to say that the Jesus figure isn't copied from various pre-dating gods from the region.

    Nice try folks. Not the historic truth though.

    June 6, 2013 at 6:59 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Yeah because if there's anything we don't want, it's technical accuracy.

      June 6, 2013 at 9:24 am |
    • Pete

      "Yeah because if there's anything we don't want, it's technical accuracy."

      Yeah, like the world's largest research complex stating the bible isn't an historical document.

      June 6, 2013 at 9:29 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Who said it was?

      June 6, 2013 at 9:34 am |
    • Pete

      "Who said it was?"

      It's been posted numerous times on this site, thanks for showing you have poor reading comprehension.

      June 6, 2013 at 9:48 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      No, I mean who authoritatively has ever said the Bible is a historical record? The Vatican? The Anglican Community? The Orthodox Church? Other than the book of Kings and some other genealogical references, why are you making an argument about something that is not dogmatic in any serious religion? The reason I ask is because I see it as a tactic to pick a fight where none exists in an effort to dodge the relevant questions.

      June 6, 2013 at 10:44 am |
    • Observer

      Dyslexic doG,

      So what is your rebuttal with facts and sources?

      June 6, 2013 at 10:47 am |
  16. Dyslexic doG

    If I was powerful enough to have created the entire universe, I wouldn't be so narcissistic that I would force people to adore me and worship me. That’s the difference between me and your God.

    June 6, 2013 at 6:56 am |
    • Science

      Morning Dyslexic doG..................the fruitcakes from xmas past aye .

      June 6, 2013 at 7:03 am |
  17. Dyslexic doG

    If I was powerful enough to have created the entire universe, I wouldn't have a hissy fit and drown the world because people didn't do what I said. That’s the difference between me and your God.

    June 6, 2013 at 6:55 am |
  18. Dyslexic doG

    If I was powerful enough to have created the entire universe, I wouldn't let tornadoes kill innocent little elementary school children. That’s the difference between me and your God.

    June 6, 2013 at 6:54 am |
  19. Dyslexic doG

    If I could prevent a child from starving, I would. That’s the difference between me and your God.

    June 6, 2013 at 6:54 am |
  20. Dyslexic doG

    If I could stop someone from raping a child, I would. That’s the difference between me and your God.

    June 6, 2013 at 6:53 am |
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