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Atheists to start 1-800 hotline for doubters
The group Recovering from Religion plans to start a helpline for people struggling with religious doubts.
June 4th, 2013
03:08 PM ET

Atheists to start 1-800 hotline for doubters

By Dan Merica, CNN
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(CNN) – Who can people call when religious doubts arise, but they're afraid to talk to their faith leaders or families?

A group that helps people "recover" from religion says it's ready to pick up the phone.

Recovering from Religion, which has about 40 support groups in the U.S. and Britain, plans to launch a hotline that will offer doubters an anonymous place to ask difficult questions and find communities of like-minded nonbelievers.

The group plans to staff the help line 24 hours a day and is modeling it after services like suicide prevention hotlines.

Sarah Morehead, executive director of Recovering from Religion, told CNN that the mission is to help people, not convert them to atheism.

“A lot of the times they just need someone to talk to," Morehead said.

The 1-800 number has yet to be named. Recovering from Religion is trying to raise $30,000 by June 30 to fund "The Hotline Project" with up to 40 counselors.

Ideally, the help line would be live by the holiday season, said Morehead, which is often a difficult time for people struggling with religious doubts.

Photos: Famous atheists and their beliefs

The idea for the hotline sprang up after calls came in to the Recovering from Religion phone line from people who were questioning their faith and needed to talk to someone. Morehead said she gets a few calls every day and hundreds of e-mails a month from people seeking counseling.

From there, she said, it seemed a hotline that provided a permanent, anonymous place to talk to someone was the best option.

"Coming out" as a nonbeliever - or even a doubter - can often be extremely difficult, Morehead and others say. In addition to the existential worries, budding nonbelievers run the risk of alienating family and friends.

The help line’s volunteer counselors will be trained to not engage in religious debate, Morehead said. Instead, they will try to give callers “practical, action-oriented solutions.”

When someone first calls the hotline, the counselor will start by simply asking the caller to talk about his or her personal story, said Morehead.

Later, the counselor and the caller might work on an action plan. The caller's goals may concern formally leaving religion altogether, but Morehead said that counselors will also offer advice on finding a new faith or connecting with a local community of nonbelievers.

Some blogs have questioned the hotline, however, calling it a ploy to increase the number of atheists in America.

Headlines like “New 1-800 Number Funded By Liberals To Convert Christians to Atheists,” for example, have cropped up at a number of conservative blogs.

Morehead said her critics fail to grasp the point of Recovering from Religion.

“Most of the people who contact us are working their way towards disbelief, so of course we are very equipped to handle that,” Morehead said. “That is not the goal, though, or the job of the facilitators.”

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This hotline is not completely unique in the world of religious "nones" – people who either don’t believe in God or don’t affiliate with any religious beliefs. Atheists have long discussed disbelief in the comfort of online anonymity.

“We have seen how important the Internet is, especially young people questioning their faith, and this provides them with another resource with a different focus,” said Jesse Galef, communications director for the Secular Student Alliance. “For people who want more guidance, I think this resource will be very valuable.”

Services that help religious doubters have thrived recently.

The Clergy Project, an online community for preachers who no longer believe in God, has grown from 52 to nearly 500 people since its founding in 2011, said Teresa MacBain, the former executive director of the project.

MacBain, a former pastor who converted to atheism, called the help line "another way for people to contact someone anonymously and discuss the struggles they are having for their beliefs.”

“If this project had been around when I found the Clergy Project, I would have used it.”

MacBain said she plans to get training as one of the counselors and hopes to be answering calls when the service launches.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Atheism • Belief • United States

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  1. sam stone

    Sorry, Heaven Stench, this is the only name I post under

    Jeebus is waiting. Go see him

    June 10, 2013 at 4:29 pm |
  2. HeavenSent

    O ye sons of men, how long [will ye turn] my glory into shame? [how long] will ye love vanity, [and] seek after leasing? Selah.

    Psalms 4:2

    Amen.

    June 10, 2013 at 4:27 pm |
  3. Richard Cranium

    HS.
    You need to stop claiming something is truth when it is belief. That IS lying.

    June 10, 2013 at 4:21 pm |
  4. HeavenSent

    sam, you're just another dummy handle for Tom, Reality, Observer and a host of other dummy handles Tom, Scotty hides behind.

    June 10, 2013 at 4:12 pm |
  5. HeavenSent

    Richard Cranium, you need to ask God for eyes to see and ears to hear His truth.

    June 10, 2013 at 3:55 pm |
  6. AverageJoe76

    I just believe it's really sad to live in fear of some all-powerful being's wraith. If all-powerful, there shouldn't be a 'wraith' for creatures you create. You can't get mad at the invention, you look at the INVENTOR for answers on the defects. I don't think we, as a whole, are defective. I believe we are doing what an intelligent species is supposed to do, to evolve. In this age of change and information, I have the upmost faith in mankind.

    June 10, 2013 at 3:51 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Blessed is every one who fears the LORD, Who walks in His ways. (Psalms 128:1)

      Amen.

      June 10, 2013 at 4:08 pm |
    • AverageJoe76

      Fear sucks. Who wants to live afraid of what might happen AFTER I die?

      June 10, 2013 at 4:17 pm |
    • Bob

      HeavenStench, that just shows that your sky fairy would be a punitive ass hole if he existed, so good thing he doesn't. He demands worship in fear, according to your nasty Christian owner's manual. That horrid book also has the following awful guidance for you. From both testaments, and note the comments about context and interpretation :

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Leviticus 25
      44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
      45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
      46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
      Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      June 10, 2013 at 4:21 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all those who do His commandments. His praise endures forever.

      Psalms 111:10

      Amen.

      June 10, 2013 at 4:22 pm |
    • sam stone

      Interesting you desire eternity with a being whom you fear

      j

      June 10, 2013 at 4:23 pm |
    • Bob

      We have HeavenStench dumping bible bile on us again, so we'll review again what her Christian book of nasty has as guidance for her. No wonder she's so hateful. From both testaments:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Leviticus 25
      44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
      45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
      46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
      Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      June 10, 2013 at 4:26 pm |
    • sam stone

      Only imbeciles quote ancient texts

      Amen

      June 10, 2013 at 4:28 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of knowledge: [but] fools despise wisdom and instruction.

      Proverbs 1:7

      Amen.

      June 10, 2013 at 4:33 pm |
    • sam stone

      fools quote ancient comic books as if they represent the words of god

      June 10, 2013 at 4:56 pm |
    • Anon

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OgAXbyzP5g

      June 10, 2013 at 6:22 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Anon, take the bowl with you since folks wished they had water where they end up. There's always hope. Just ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins, then sin no more.

      June 10, 2013 at 8:07 pm |
    • Sue

      HS, why is your god so cruel? Worse than most humans in regard to torture. I'll say no thanks, re your god tales. Don't want such an evil being in my life.

      June 10, 2013 at 10:25 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Sue, HS's god is cruel because HS is cruel. Gods always reflect the desires and morals of those who create them.

      June 11, 2013 at 12:01 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      If you were actually holy, HeavenSent, maybe you could shit bibles too.

      June 11, 2013 at 12:58 am |
    • JamesK

      HeavenSent
      All Proverbs 1:7 proves is that verbal bullying goes back to ancient times.

      June 11, 2013 at 8:36 am |
  7. Richard Cranium

    HS
    You need to get over YOUR obsession and stop posting your bible babble (which is 95% of the time out of context and off topic)

    June 10, 2013 at 3:44 pm |
  8. sam stone

    I am just commenting on your blather, HS

    June 10, 2013 at 3:39 pm |
  9. AverageJoe76

    The faithful need to admit that they FEAR God and his wraith, and that it has nothing to do with love. You fear death (understandable, so do I, to a degree) and are worried about reprecussions in some 'afterlife'. But since you haven't been conclusively informed on what to do, or how to act on Earth..... why be so concerned about your 'post-life' responsibilities?
    It seems to be the fear of death that is driving the faithful, and that, fundementally, is kinda sad. I have accepted death because nothing escapes it, even the universe. Planets die. Suns die. We die. Just be honored to have experienced life. It's truly been an honor for myself. Live well, everyone.

    June 10, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
    • sam stone

      spiritual stockholm syndrome

      June 10, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      All life is immortal in that our consti/tuent atoms remain after the meat machines wear out.

      June 10, 2013 at 3:39 pm |
    • AverageJoe76

      @ Doc Vestibule – To piggyback, "Yes, I totally agree". Since our atoms live on, in essence, we are still apart of the process (the universe). In fact, the MOST beautiful thing I ever heard was that we are basically living stardust. I find it amazing. Religion's explanations for everything pale in comparison to this. And it made sense to me, unlike religion.

      June 10, 2013 at 3:45 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. (Psalms 19:9)

      Amen.

      June 10, 2013 at 3:53 pm |
    • Bob

      Since we've got HeavenStench dumping quotes on us yet again from her Christian book of nasty AKA the bible, it's time to take a closer look at some of the evil guidance that's really in there. From both foul testaments, and note especially the comments about context and interpretation:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Leviticus 25
      44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
      45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
      46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
      Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      June 10, 2013 at 3:57 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Bob, those scriptures are about unbelief for not knowing God's truth.

      June 10, 2013 at 4:09 pm |
    • AverageJoe76

      @ Heaven Sent – You get 2 points for rhyming. The quote ["The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether"] does not envoke any feeling in me to join the Lord's army. I'd rather love, because it lasts. Fear is good until I get the courage to defy.

      June 10, 2013 at 4:11 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      HS, Do you have any evidence of a god?

      June 10, 2013 at 4:12 pm |
    • The real Tom

      HS is evidence there isn't a god at all.

      June 10, 2013 at 4:16 pm |
    • Bob

      No, HeavenStench, those quotes are very explicit instructions for people that are stated in your hateful book of nasty AKA the bible. Look at them again, and this time think through the context and interpretation comments more carefully:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Leviticus 25
      44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
      45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
      46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
      Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      June 10, 2013 at 4:24 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Joe, those scriptures are Jesus Christ's truth.

      June 10, 2013 at 4:24 pm |
    • Bob

      So HeavenStench finally admits that her bible instructs her to murder. Great stuff, that 'truth'. Way to bit yourself on the ass, HeavenStench.

      June 10, 2013 at 4:33 pm |
    • Bob

      So HeavenStench finally admits that her bible instructs her to murder. Great stuff, that 'truth'. Way to bite yourself on the ass, HeavenStench.

      June 10, 2013 at 4:33 pm |
    • fintastic

      I don't know Stenchy, Bob sounds pretty alive to me.

      June 12, 2013 at 10:40 am |
    • fintastic

      @Heavenstinks.............. those "scriptures" are mythology.

      "noun (plural mythologies)
      1a collection of myths, especially one belonging to a particular religious or cultural tradition:"

      Myth = ": an unfounded or false notion. a person or thing having only an imaginary or unverifiable existence"

      June 12, 2013 at 10:44 am |
  10. HeavenSent

    sam, you need to stop stalking me too. LOL.

    June 10, 2013 at 3:29 pm |
  11. Bob

    Since we've got HeavenStench dumping quotes on us again from her Christian book of nasty AKA the bible, it's time to take a closer look at some of the evil guidance that's really in there. From both foul testaments, and note especially the comments about context and interpretation:

    Numbers 31:17-18
    17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
    18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

    Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

    Leviticus 25
    44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
    45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
    46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

    Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

    Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

    And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

    So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
    Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

    June 10, 2013 at 3:27 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      sam, I'm not planning a trip to Jerusalem, originally called Jebus.

      Tommy Tom, SKIP. You proved yourself to be a liar as soon as you lied about what I posted my unbelieving bosses did to me. Liars backing up liars. Nothing new under the sun.

      June 10, 2013 at 4:52 pm |
    • Lol...

      I'd fire HeavenSent too if I was unlucky enough to have her working in my organization.

      June 10, 2013 at 11:38 pm |
    • fintastic

      "noun (plural mythologies)
      1a collection of myths, especially one belonging to a particular religious or cultural tradition:"

      Myth = ": an unfounded or false notion. a person or thing having only an imaginary or unverifiable existence"

      June 12, 2013 at 1:58 pm |
  12. sam stone

    HS: You need to get over your babble

    June 10, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
  13. HeavenSent

    Tom, you really need to get over your obsession with stealing my handle to post your babble.

    June 10, 2013 at 2:53 pm |
  14. Anon

    Thank goodness critical thinking kills religion.

    June 10, 2013 at 1:16 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      good luck finding any on the Belief Blog

      June 10, 2013 at 1:25 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      James 3:8

      But the tongue can no man tame; [it is] an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

      Amen.

      June 10, 2013 at 1:28 pm |
    • Pete

      "James 3:8

      But the tongue can no man tame; [it is] an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

      Amen."

      You are just as guilty of it as this poster but the difference is, you should know better. Yet again using scripture to condemn others of the very thing you do proves you don't understand the bible. Now read all of that section with yourself in mind. What a hypocrite.

      June 10, 2013 at 1:38 pm |
    • sam stone

      HS: Only imbeciles quote ancient texts.

      Amen

      June 10, 2013 at 1:39 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Pete, we are to share scriptures with all.

      June 10, 2013 at 2:10 pm |
    • sam stone

      HS: Share them all you want, but do not expect to not be challenged on them

      June 10, 2013 at 2:13 pm |
    • Anon

      Even if those so called scriptures are considered pure myth?

      June 10, 2013 at 2:19 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      sam, my post as usual is blocked. I'm grateful that I believe in Jesus Christ.

      June 10, 2013 at 2:36 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Anon, more excuses from the unbeliever so they can continue their sinful ways.

      June 10, 2013 at 2:39 pm |
    • Science

      HS when are you going to get over the red horn-y thingy and understand evolution ?

      June 10, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
    • Science

      Hey HS..............the little blue box ............follow the matrix no you know required !

      Atheists to start 1-800 hotline for doubters – CNN Belief Blog ...

      Atheists to start 1-800 hotline for doubters

      CNN5 days ago

      Jun 04, 2013 · HS you have no knowledge about facts and the truth ... and I am going to set his throne right over these stones that I have ... No horn-y red …
      .
      http://www.bing.com/search?q=HS+when+are+you+going+to+get+over+the+red+horn-y+thingy+and+understand+evolution+%3f&pc=HPNTDF&src=IE-SearchBox&first=9&FORM=PERE

      June 10, 2013 at 2:54 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Science, when are you going to realize evolution is a lie. Have any captured apes changed into earlier man yet? That's a big NO.

      June 10, 2013 at 2:55 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      I rest my case

      June 10, 2013 at 3:05 pm |
    • I wonder

      Heaven Sent,
      "Have any captured apes changed into earlier man yet?"

      I dunno... have you precisely duplicated the environmental and other conditions of say, 15 MILLION years ago - and have you waited about 10 MILLION years with precisely the same miniscule mutations and adaptations and conditions? Get busy.

      June 10, 2013 at 3:09 pm |
    • sam stone

      You are grateful for a belief?

      June 10, 2013 at 3:18 pm |
    • sam stone

      how is belief a choice?

      can you choose to beleive in bugs bunny?

      June 10, 2013 at 3:20 pm |
    • sam stone

      HS: In order for something to be a lie, the person making the claim would have to know it is incorrect, but claim it is valid anyways

      Something could be incorrect but not a lie

      June 10, 2013 at 3:21 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I wonder, you posted "Heaven Sent, "Have any captured apes changed into earlier man yet?"

      I dunno... have you precisely duplicated the environmental and other conditions of say, 15 MILLION years ago – and have you waited about 10 MILLION years with precisely the same miniscule mutations and adaptations and conditions? Get busy.

      Answer: No amount of excuses from you I wonder can make evolution true.

      June 10, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      sam, just to be an unbeliever is living a lie. You follow satan who is a liar. Use reasoning to figure out that you are not on the truthful team.

      June 10, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
    • sam stone

      Being an unbeliever is living a lie?

      Do you believe in Odin? If not, are you living a lie?

      June 10, 2013 at 3:40 pm |
    • sam stone

      HS: I do not believe in satan any more than i believe in the god of the bible, or odin, or baal, or etc etc etc

      Try posting rationally

      June 10, 2013 at 3:41 pm |
    • Science

      Hey HS find T REX ..........................you know............. the one that goes chomp or

      1900 million year old fossils found by which Great Lake HS ?

      June 10, 2013 at 3:47 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      sam stone, you need to pray to Jesus to give you eyes to see and ears to hear His truth. He'll do this for anyone that seeks Him. Other than that, you will stay lost.

      June 10, 2013 at 3:59 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      HS
      I sought "him" for years , decades. He does not exist.
      There are thosands of gods men have created that YOU don't believe in making you mostly atheist.
      I have just gone one god farther than you.

      June 10, 2013 at 4:02 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Richard Cranium, I'm sorry to hear you focus on the ways of the world (satan's lies) instead of God and His truth. The world isn't going to save your soul. Only Jesus can do this.

      June 10, 2013 at 4:17 pm |
    • sam stone

      HS: go meet jeebus, if you have the guts

      June 10, 2013 at 4:30 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      sam stone, skip.

      June 10, 2013 at 4:56 pm |
    • The real Tom

      HeavenSent, skip.

      See how effective that is, bozo?

      June 10, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      HS
      Your god created this satan character, knowing full well the consequences. God is OK with anything satan ever did, or will do.

      Threatening ME with this character is just silly as I know he also does not exist. Jesus is simply a manifestation (in character form ) of all the good that men ( mainly the ones who wrote it, but now the believers) can conceive...he is the "living" embodiment of those feelings and emotions. He isn't real...he is a metaphor for all the "best" attributes of men.
      Satan is the same only all of the "negative" emotions...also a metaphor.

      You cannot see the truth because you THINK you already do.
      Just look at any other fiction, you will see the same things...Those characters are nothing more than writers tools.

      There are none so blind as those who think they see, but let their "sight" blind them.

      June 10, 2013 at 5:00 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Revelation 20:10

      And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

      Amen.

      June 10, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Richard Cranium, the sin of PRIDE does blind men to make excuses not to believe Jesus Christ's truth about life and the hereafter. That is why Jesus told us to stay humble.

      June 10, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
    • JamesK

      HeavenSent
      How much pride must one have to see themselves in a "personal relationship" with the most powerful being imaginable? That he values your company so much that he will invite you to live in his home as a houseguest forever, as it were. People drop the names of celebrities they met once as a point of pride, and you say that you talk to God regularly.

      Compared to atheists who believe themselves small specks living a limited life on a speck in the vast universe, and even people of other faiths, Christians are far more prideful.

      June 11, 2013 at 8:25 am |
    • Pete

      "HeavenSent

      Pete, we are to share scriptures with all."

      You are not sharing it the way it is meant to be used, you are cherry picking the bible and using it out of context proving you don't understand it at all!

      June 11, 2013 at 10:09 am |
    • The real Tom

      I used to think that believers were generally good people and that, although there were exceptions, most of them truly meant well. HS is proof that isn't the case.

      June 11, 2013 at 10:14 am |
    • HeavenSent

      "Nothing shall part us in our love till Thanatos at his appointed hour removed us from the light of day."

      June 12, 2013 at 10:53 am |
  15. Seek the Giver of life before you face the reality of death

    It's ironic that scientist, atheist, nor anyone else can provide that smallest piece of evidence PROVING the non-existence of an intelligent Creator. By definition making them people of great faith. Yet they boast around blinded by the pride of their foolishness thinking themselves wise. They say Christians believe in an imaginary fairytale, yet all of their changing theories came from the thoughts and imagination of limited minds. On the contrary Christians embrace the evidence of creation which shows intelligent design. Proving its origin being from a mere coincidence impossible, and clearly pointing to the incomprehensible genius of an Immortal Creator. Q:If life was not created by an intelligent Creator, why are the smartest among the geniuses of the world finding it impossible to figure out the origin of life? If you are open minded to learning visit http://www.theeternalwisdom.com Trusting in finite minds to figure out infinite things is more senseless than a blind mind chasing the wind. P.S. I'm speaking of a Creator not a specific God.

    June 10, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
    • Yawn

      This debate has been done many times on this blog and you've been proven wrong already but you must be pretty dense to keep repeating it.

      June 10, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
    • sam stone

      and you have done nothing to PROVE the non existence of the flying spaghetti monster

      your empty proxy threats are amusing

      blather some more

      June 10, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
    • Science

      298,000 resultsAny time

      My Take: Will gay rights infringe on religious liberty? – CNN ...a link from Bing interesting

      religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/25/my-take-will-gay-rights-infringe...

      Mar 25, 2013 · Science. Hey doogie you too ! Hey Chad ... and ocean and provided one of the conditions necessary for animal ... god(s) did NOT create US ! NO red horn-y ...

      June 10, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Romans 11:20

      Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

      Amen.

      June 10, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
    • Anon

      Apparently your intelligent creator is utterly retarded.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4238NN8HMgQ

      June 10, 2013 at 12:43 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Matthew 15:6

      And honour not his father or his mother, [he shall be free]. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

      Amen.

      June 10, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
    • Pete

      "Matthew 15:6

      And honour not his father or his mother, [he shall be free]. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

      Amen."

      How is a person talking about an "incomprehensible genius of an Immortal Creator." relevant to that scripture? Or as usual you really don't have a clue what you're talking about and why taking snippets of text out of the bible is so wrong.

      June 10, 2013 at 12:58 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Pete, that scripture is about why you don't believe and who taught you to be in such a state of unbelief.

      June 10, 2013 at 1:08 pm |
    • Pete

      "Pete, that scripture is about why you don't believe and who taught you to be in such a state of unbelief."

      No, that's you taking it at face value and trying to save your ego. This poster was not talking about unbelief.

      June 10, 2013 at 1:34 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Pete, my 2nd post was to Anon.

      June 10, 2013 at 2:15 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Pete, cough Tommy Tom, get over your obsession with stalking me.

      June 10, 2013 at 2:17 pm |
    • Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam

      "Be not highminded, but fear"

      Lol.

      I must not fear.
      Fear is the mind-killer.
      Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
      I will face my fear.
      I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
      And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
      Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
      Only I will remain.

      June 10, 2013 at 2:44 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Christians understand unbeliever refuse to fear God never to learn wisdom.

      June 10, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
    • JamesK

      Seek
      Scientists don't come up with valid theories out of pure imagination any more than police manufacture every case against someone. There's evidence, and there's figuring out the best explanation for what happened based on what that evidence suggests. While there are still some gaps in our knowledge, none of the evidence suggests that there must be a God. You could just as easily claim that leprechauns are responsible.

      June 10, 2013 at 3:01 pm |
    • Observer

      The burden of proof does not fall on the person who believes something does not exist. The burden of proof falls on the person who DOES believe something exists. So, go right ahead and show us what you got!
      Whenever a convenience store is robbed in this country, all 305 million of the U.S. citizens don't have to go to court to prove that we didn't do it. The prosecutor has to prove that one person DID do it.

      June 10, 2013 at 3:07 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, comprehend this truth. Believers are to sew His seeds. It's not our responsibility if those seeds fall on rock or get blown away with the wind. Only Jesus can water those seeds. If the clay asks Him is what believers are telling unbelievers..

      June 10, 2013 at 3:43 pm |
    • Tailor

      HeavenSent:
      " Believers are to sew His seeds"

      Sew buttons on your underwear...

      June 10, 2013 at 5:09 pm |
    • Dippy.

      How do you "sew" seeds? Takes a very fine needle, eh?

      June 10, 2013 at 11:50 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      "Zeus split the man and woman apart, fearing it's power, but obligating the man and woman on an everlasting quest to find their counterpart."

      June 12, 2013 at 10:55 am |
    • fintastic

      @HeavenSent...... "Christians understand unbeliever refuse to fear God never to learn wisdom."

      You heapum big idiot... talkum like old TV Indian.

      June 12, 2013 at 2:14 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      fintastic, I find it strange that you just stalk me to harass me, never to post about the topic. Again, proving liars need backup of dummy handles.

      June 14, 2013 at 11:28 am |
    • Pete

      "Pete, cough Tommy Tom, get over your obsession with stalking me."

      We are not the same people, get over yourself.

      June 14, 2013 at 11:33 am |
  16. Danson E. Ubebe

    No mortal can provide solution for a challenge that is outside the scope of his reasoning. But if a man can put on his thinking cap and duely deploy it, the challenge will be half solved. Even some Christians have similar challenge like unbelievers. The solution to a doubting mind lies in individual's scrutiny with his thinking power. To those who believe in God, they have made a head start because God can be appretiated by the visible ceation and the evidence of resurrection of Jesus Christ and so on. The twisted mind is been remotely manipulated (2Peter 2:2), just as the right mind has yielded to his Creator.

    June 10, 2013 at 11:44 am |
    • sam stone

      weak argument

      June 10, 2013 at 11:54 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      How you doing with the Bonhoeffer sam?

      June 10, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
    • sam stone

      bill: ignoring him

      June 10, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Danson E. Ubebe,

      Amen.

      June 10, 2013 at 12:54 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Doesn't seem like the "critical thinking" thing to do. Are you ignoring the Frankl also?

      June 10, 2013 at 1:23 pm |
    • sam stone

      The Frankl?

      June 10, 2013 at 1:41 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Viktor Frankl. He wrote a book called "Man's Search for Meaning" It's a spiritual classic and a primer on his brand of psychotherapy. Not as dense as the Bonhoeffer but still a great read. It gives a good insight into how religious conviction and innate psychology enable people to overcome suffering such as Frankl witnessed in the concentration camps of Nazi Germany with purpose and dignity.

      June 10, 2013 at 1:46 pm |
    • Rundvelt

      > No mortal can provide solution for a challenge that is outside the scope of his reasoning.

      God's mind is infinite.
      Ours is not.
      Therefore, we cannot state any qualities about God's mind.
      Therefore, we cannot state that God is good.

      Your move.

      June 10, 2013 at 2:27 pm |
    • Nancy

      😆

      June 10, 2013 at 2:44 pm |
    • JamesK

      Danson E. Ubebe
      What more "evidence" do we have for the resurrection of Jesus than we have for any of the other "dying and rising" gods? He has his stories and they have theirs. What's the difference, really?

      Where can God be appreciated in nature when most of the things that only God could be used to explain have been solved through science, and the few mysteries remaining today appear to be destined to be solved by science soon?

      June 10, 2013 at 2:45 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      JamesK, you posted "Danson E. Ubebe, What more "evidence" do we have for the resurrection of Jesus than we have for any of the other "dying and rising" gods? He has his stories and they have theirs. What's the difference, really?

      Where can God be appreciated in nature when most of the things that only God could be used to explain have been solved through science, and the few mysteries remaining today appear to be destined to be solved by science soon?"

      Answer: Jesus Christ is All. Fake deities didn't die for All defeating death. Science doesn't explain all. Science discovers some of God's truth. Not all of His truth. Only God will do this.

      June 10, 2013 at 3:05 pm |
    • sam stone

      "Jesus Christ is All."

      To some people

      "Fake deities didn't die for All defeating death."

      Oooh, a story. You cannot prove that jesus defeated death, either

      "Science doesn't explain all."

      Science does not claim to explain all

      "Science discovers some of God's truth."

      Again, an opinion

      June 10, 2013 at 3:33 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      sam, the sin of pride is blinding you.

      June 10, 2013 at 3:45 pm |
    • sam stone

      HS: Fvck off, troll

      June 10, 2013 at 4:30 pm |
    • Kenrick Benjamin

      Heaven Sent- leave the atheist and there folly.

      June 10, 2013 at 4:34 pm |
    • The Taught Police

      Kenrick Benjamin, there should be no 'there' there. There are two tu's to your tutu too. Don't trip on their cabbage when they're tossing dwarves from their mustard trees.

      June 10, 2013 at 4:42 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Kenrick Benjamin,

      Amen.

      June 10, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
    • derp

      " suffering such as Frankl witnessed in the concentration camps of Nazi Germany"

      Bill Deacon

      "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter"

      "The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew."

      “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”

      Adolf Hitler

      Oh the irony.

      June 10, 2013 at 5:57 pm |
    • JamesK

      HeavenSent
      You may think that Jesus Christ is "All", but Justin Bieber's fans think pretty highly of him too, so it's all pretty much a matter of opinion, isn't it?

      Prometheus died for the sin of bringing people knowledge in the ancient Greek religion, and he was punished every day by having his liver eaten by eagles. It would regrow only for the torture to repeat itself for all eternity. Jesus only had to die once, so tell me that he sacrificed more than Prometheus.

      How do you know that other deities are fake? Have you proven that they are, or did you just realize that they were the same way we realized that God was fake?

      Science doesn't explain all, but neither does religion. How did God supposedly create the universe out of nothing? What was God doing before he created us to worship him. How could God be eternal? How does God know that he's omniscient?

      Actually, if you really think about it, putting God into the mix actually makes things a whole lot more complicated and convoluted. I prefer the simpler, more elegant, natural explanation.

      June 10, 2013 at 11:49 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Ignorance is not proof of god. It was once the reason for inventing gods, but we no longer have that excuse.

      June 10, 2013 at 11:59 pm |
    • Athy

      Nice post, JamesK, HeavenSent will probably be unable to respond. Far too logical for her.

      June 11, 2013 at 12:29 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Leviticus 20:9
      If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.

      20:10 If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

      20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death.

      June 12, 2013 at 10:58 am |
    • Science

      Hey HS ..............this should work.

      Maybe the dinobird will swoop down and take the ICR ,RCC and the Discovery Insti-tute away.

      Evolution again the Dinobird.............no god(s) needed.

      X-Rays Reveal New Picture of 'Dinobird' Plumage Patterns

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/11/pope-francis-gay-lobby-exists-inside-vatican/#comments
      June 11, 2013 —

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130611204530.htm

      Or the action plan will help ...............a couple of chondrites knocked together shacks the faith also !

      Imagine No Religion 3: Peter Boghossian

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orW1AstN7AI

      June 12, 2013 at 5:18 pm |
  17. Dyslexic doG

    @lol??
    reading back over your recent posting, I have to comment that you are seriously disturbed. Please get help (and not religious help but real help)

    Good luck.

    June 10, 2013 at 11:00 am |
    • HeavenSent

      I enjoy reading lol's posts.

      June 10, 2013 at 3:46 pm |
  18. Reality

    A hotline from the year 1000 CE:

    "The Cheat of Sacred Rites

    O fools, awake! The rites you sacred hold

    Are but a cheat contrived by men of old,

    Who lusted after wealth and gained their lust

    And died in baseness—and their law is dust."

    Al-Ma'arri
    , born CE 973 /, died CE 1058 / .

    Al-Ma’arri was a blind Arab philosopher, poet and writer.[1][2] He was a controversial rationalist of his time, attacking the dogmas of religion and rejecting the claim that Islam possessed any monopoly on truth."

    June 10, 2013 at 10:53 am |
    • Reality

      More hot-lines from 1000 CE:

      "The Two Universal Sects

      They all err—Moslems, Jews,
      Christians, and Zoroastrians:

      Humanity follows two world-wide sects:
      One, man intelligent without religion,
      The second, religious without intellect. "

      Al-Ma'arri

      June 10, 2013 at 10:55 am |
    • lol??

      You're just another dusty god.

      "Jhn 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"

      June 10, 2013 at 11:06 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Romans 11:20

      Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

      Amen.

      June 10, 2013 at 12:35 pm |
    • Pete

      "Romans 11:20

      Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

      Amen."

      Once again HeavenSent demonstrates she doesn't understand the scriptures. The fact you took this out of context shows you don't know what is being discussed in that scripture.

      June 10, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Pete, you were conditioned not to believe, rejecting your mother and father by listening to the traditions of man.

      June 10, 2013 at 1:11 pm |
    • Pete

      "Pete, you were conditioned not to believe, rejecting your mother and father by listening to the traditions of man."

      Keep demonstrating you don't understand the scriptures you are quoting.

      June 10, 2013 at 1:24 pm |
    • fintastic

      Heavenstench........ I finally figured it out..... you were dropped on your head as a child...

      June 10, 2013 at 1:38 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Pete, Jesus' scriptures constantly teach us lessons about believers and unbelievers.

      June 10, 2013 at 2:42 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      One more thing Pete, Jesus also taught us who got deceived and how they pass down the seeds of unbelief. Therefore, your thoughts are not you own on this subject.

      June 10, 2013 at 2:45 pm |
    • Reality

      To summarize with one more hotline from 1000 CE.

      Death's Debt is Paid in
      Full
      Death's debt is then and there
      Paid down by dying men;

      But it is a promise bare
      That they shall rise again. "

      Al-Ma'arri

      June 10, 2013 at 4:48 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      fintastic, you posted "Heavenstench........ I finally figured it out..... you were dropped on your head as a child..."

      Question: Do you ever post to the topic? Or, has stalking me become an obsession Tom?

      June 14, 2013 at 11:36 am |
    • In Santa we trust

      HS, I think your paranoia is unjustified.

      June 14, 2013 at 11:38 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Santa, you just proved me correct. I'm in an article 4 from the top, yet all you folks stalk my every move.

      June 14, 2013 at 12:37 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Pete, you posted "Romans 11:20

      Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

      Amen."

      "Once again HeavenSent demonstrates she doesn't understand the scriptures. The fact you took this out of context shows you don't know what is being discussed in that scripture."

      Answer: Stop stalking me. You haven't a clue how I used that scripture. FYI see below.

      Romans 11:20  
      Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

      5309   //  uqhlofronew  //  hupselophroneo   //  hoop-say-lo-fron-eh'-o  // 

      from a compound of   5308  and   5424  ; v

      AV – be highminded 2; 2

      1) to be high minded, proud

      570   //  apistia  //  apistia   //  ap-is-tee'-ah  // 

      from   571  ; TDNT – 6:174,849; n f

      AV – unbelief 12; 12

      1) unfaithfulness, faithless
      2) want of faith, unbelief
      3) weakness of faith

      June 14, 2013 at 4:02 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      HeavenSent
      " I'm in an article 4 from the top, yet all you folks stalk my every move."

      Guess what? There is a section called "Recent Comments", where folks just might click down the list.

      You seem to have a penchant for revisiting days-old articles, where nobody is likely to read, and make sure that you have the last word in your 'discussions'.

      June 14, 2013 at 4:11 pm |
  19. lol??

    lol??
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    lol??
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.And more from the antichrists!!
    "..................The id, the ego and the superego function in different levels of consciousness: indeed, Freud's theory of the mind ......................." Freud was a coke head and had a wet nurse. He was a fraud. You bought it from the Frankfurt School of hot dogs with relish.

    http://victorian.lang.nagoya-u.ac.jp/victorianweb/science/freud/division.html

    BBBbbwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha

    June 10, 2013 at 10:22 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Freud's sin of PRIDE did him in.

      Psalms 10:2

      The wicked in [his] pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.

      Amen.

      June 10, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
    • Pete

      "Freud's sin of PRIDE did him in.

      Psalms 10:2

      The wicked in [his] pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.

      Amen."

      Oh this takes the cake on using the scriptures out of context and why you shouldn't use snippets. Thanks for showing you have no clue about the meaning of the scriptures in the bible.

      June 10, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Pete, the sin of PRIDE is what did Lucifer under and all those that follow his lies.

      June 10, 2013 at 1:12 pm |
    • Pete

      "Pete, the sin of PRIDE is what did Lucifer under and all those that follow his lies."

      The scripture you quoted also deals with as a Christian you do NOT call out the badness in others, but you bring it to your god in prayer. YOU went against that very scripture hypocrite.

      June 10, 2013 at 1:23 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      HeavenSent,

      PRIDE: It is identified as a desire to be more important or attractive than others, failing to acknowledge the good work of others, and excessive love of self. Dante's definition was "love of self perverted to hatred and contempt for one's neighbour".

      There ought to be a picture of you & some of your posts beside that definition.

      June 10, 2013 at 1:27 pm |
    • fintastic

      Bullshlt............ "pride refers to a satisfied sense of attachment toward one's own or another's choices and actions,"

      Nothing wrong with being proud you dipwad

      June 10, 2013 at 1:40 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Pete, that scriptures was:

      David complains of the wickedness of the wicked, describes the dreadful pitch of impiety at which they had arrived (to the great dishonour of God and the prejudice of his church and people), and notices the delay of God's appearing against them, He prays to God to appear against them for the relief of his people and comforts himself with hopes that he would do so in due time knowing the day of reckoning is yet to come, when the measure of their iniquity is full.

      June 10, 2013 at 1:41 pm |
    • Dave

      Here's the one of the sites HeavenSent uses to find scriptures, she really doesn't know the bible that well.

      http://m.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/matthew-henry-complete/psalms/10.html

      June 10, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
    • Pete

      "Pete, that scriptures was:

      David complains of the wickedness of the wicked, describes the dreadful pitch of impiety at which they had arrived (to the great dishonour of God and the prejudice of his church and people), and notices the delay of God's appearing against them, He prays to God to appear against them for the relief of his people and comforts himself with hopes that he would do so in due time knowing the day of reckoning is yet to come, when the measure of their iniquity is full.'

      And that has nothing to do with Freud being prideful in the way that is being described here. That's the point!

      June 10, 2013 at 1:46 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Freud taught the tradition of men, not of God.

      June 10, 2013 at 2:47 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Dave, now that you know that's a true Christian site. Use it. P.S. are you the one that constantly changes my time on my computer to read my emails too?

      June 10, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Pete, cough, Tom. I'm glad you view that site. Anyone who is blinded by the sin of pride has the character of the wicked. Prideful people exist today, as it was in King David's day. Nothing new under the sun.

      As for your other post to me. We discuss an issue with the sinner. If it falls on deaf ears, we bring in elders of the church to continue the discussion. If it still falls on deaf ears, then we know the person is blinded by that sin. David prayed to God because it was widespread destruction. Not just one individual.

      June 14, 2013 at 11:55 am |
    • Pete

      "As for your other post to me. We discuss an issue with the sinner. If it falls on deaf ears, we bring in elders of the church to continue the discussion. If it still falls on deaf ears, then we know the person is blinded by that sin. David prayed to God because it was widespread destruction. Not just one individual."

      The fact you don't get that it's not related is priceless and further proves how clueless you are about the bible...quick go use your bible study sites to help you out.

      June 14, 2013 at 12:16 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Pete, you own the ignorance on this scripture.

      Here's the definition of Pride.

      01346   //  hwag  //  ga`avah   //  gah-av-aw'  // 

      from   01342  ; TWOT – 299d; n f

      AV – pride 9, excellency 3, haughtiness 2, arrogancy 1, highness 1,
      proud 1, proudly 1, swelling 1; 19

      1) pride, majesty, a rising up
      1a) a rising up, swelling (of the sea)
      1b) majesty (of Israel)
      1c) pride, haughtiness

      1c is what I was referring to.

      June 14, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Pete, believers live in this world. We do have conversations with people.

      June 14, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Pete, you posted ""As for your other post to me. We discuss an issue with the sinner. If it falls on deaf ears, we bring in elders of the church to continue the discussion. If it still falls on deaf ears, then we know the person is blinded by that sin. David prayed to God because it was widespread destruction. Not just one individual."

      The fact you don't get that it's not related is priceless and further proves how clueless you are about the bible...quick go use your bible study sites to help you out."

      Question pertaining to the last part of your post: Does that mean you're ordering your unbeliever buddies and yourself from postings from all the sites they (you) use? Beyond foolish. LOL Besides Pete, cough, Tommy Tom, Christians sharpen our knowledge with elders that acquired wisdom. That site is a perfect example of going to our elders.

      June 14, 2013 at 1:02 pm |
  20. lol??

    A&A's live in caves and believe in the innate goodness of man. No savior needed for them!!

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    "................MacBain, a former pastor who converted to atheism,......................." Now they've made atheism a religion. Tough luck for the A&A's. She a leader amongst men...

    June 10, 2013 at 10:01 am |
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