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 The group Recovering from Religion plans to start a helpline for people struggling with religious doubts.
June 4th, 2013
03:08 PM ET
Atheists to start 1-800 hotline for doubtersBy Dan Merica, CNN (CNN) – Who can people call when religious doubts arise, but they're afraid to talk to their faith leaders or families? A group that helps people "recover" from religion says it's ready to pick up the phone. Recovering from Religion, which has about 40 support groups in the U.S. and Britain, plans to launch a hotline that will offer doubters an anonymous place to ask difficult questions and find communities of like-minded nonbelievers. The group plans to staff the help line 24 hours a day and is modeling it after services like suicide prevention hotlines. Sarah Morehead, executive director of Recovering from Religion, told CNN that the mission is to help people, not convert them to atheism. “A lot of the times they just need someone to talk to," Morehead said. The 1-800 number has yet to be named. Recovering from Religion is trying to raise $30,000 by June 30 to fund "The Hotline Project" with up to 40 counselors. Ideally, the help line would be live by the holiday season, said Morehead, which is often a difficult time for people struggling with religious doubts. Photos: Famous atheists and their beliefs The idea for the hotline sprang up after calls came in to the Recovering from Religion phone line from people who were questioning their faith and needed to talk to someone. Morehead said she gets a few calls every day and hundreds of e-mails a month from people seeking counseling. From there, she said, it seemed a hotline that provided a permanent, anonymous place to talk to someone was the best option. "Coming out" as a nonbeliever - or even a doubter - can often be extremely difficult, Morehead and others say. In addition to the existential worries, budding nonbelievers run the risk of alienating family and friends. The help line’s volunteer counselors will be trained to not engage in religious debate, Morehead said. Instead, they will try to give callers “practical, action-oriented solutions.” When someone first calls the hotline, the counselor will start by simply asking the caller to talk about his or her personal story, said Morehead. Later, the counselor and the caller might work on an action plan. The caller's goals may concern formally leaving religion altogether, but Morehead said that counselors will also offer advice on finding a new faith or connecting with a local community of nonbelievers. Some blogs have questioned the hotline, however, calling it a ploy to increase the number of atheists in America. Headlines like “New 1-800 Number Funded By Liberals To Convert Christians to Atheists,” for example, have cropped up at a number of conservative blogs. Morehead said her critics fail to grasp the point of Recovering from Religion. “Most of the people who contact us are working their way towards disbelief, so of course we are very equipped to handle that,” Morehead said. “That is not the goal, though, or the job of the facilitators.” Photos: 'Born-again' celebrities This hotline is not completely unique in the world of religious "nones" – people who either don’t believe in God or don’t affiliate with any religious beliefs. Atheists have long discussed disbelief in the comfort of online anonymity. “We have seen how important the Internet is, especially young people questioning their faith, and this provides them with another resource with a different focus,” said Jesse Galef, communications director for the Secular Student Alliance. “For people who want more guidance, I think this resource will be very valuable.” Services that help religious doubters have thrived recently. The Clergy Project, an online community for preachers who no longer believe in God, has grown from 52 to nearly 500 people since its founding in 2011, said Teresa MacBain, the former executive director of the project. MacBain, a former pastor who converted to atheism, called the help line "another way for people to contact someone anonymously and discuss the struggles they are having for their beliefs.” “If this project had been around when I found the Clergy Project, I would have used it.” MacBain said she plans to get training as one of the counselors and hopes to be answering calls when the service launches. soundoff (3,878 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 Next »
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Sorry, Heaven Stench, this is the only name I post under
Jeebus is waiting. Go see him
O ye sons of men, how long [will ye turn] my glory into shame? [how long] will ye love vanity, [and] seek after leasing? Selah.
Psalms 4:2
Amen.
HS.
You need to stop claiming something is truth when it is belief. That IS lying.
sam, you're just another dummy handle for Tom, Reality, Observer and a host of other dummy handles Tom, Scotty hides behind.
Richard Cranium, you need to ask God for eyes to see and ears to hear His truth.
I just believe it's really sad to live in fear of some all-powerful being's wraith. If all-powerful, there shouldn't be a 'wraith' for creatures you create. You can't get mad at the invention, you look at the INVENTOR for answers on the defects. I don't think we, as a whole, are defective. I believe we are doing what an intelligent species is supposed to do, to evolve. In this age of change and information, I have the upmost faith in mankind.
Blessed is every one who fears the LORD, Who walks in His ways. (Psalms 128:1)
Amen.
Fear sucks. Who wants to live afraid of what might happen AFTER I die?
HeavenStench, that just shows that your sky fairy would be a punitive ass hole if he existed, so good thing he doesn't. He demands worship in fear, according to your nasty Christian owner's manual. That horrid book also has the following awful guidance for you. From both testaments, and note the comments about context and interpretation :
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Leviticus 25
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; A good understanding have all those who do His commandments. His praise endures forever.
Psalms 111:10
Amen.
Interesting you desire eternity with a being whom you fear
j
We have HeavenStench dumping bible bile on us again, so we'll review again what her Christian book of nasty has as guidance for her. No wonder she's so hateful. From both testaments:
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Leviticus 25
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
Only imbeciles quote ancient texts
Amen
The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of knowledge: [but] fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs 1:7
Amen.
fools quote ancient comic books as if they represent the words of god
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OgAXbyzP5g
Anon, take the bowl with you since folks wished they had water where they end up. There's always hope. Just ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins, then sin no more.
HS, why is your god so cruel? Worse than most humans in regard to torture. I'll say no thanks, re your god tales. Don't want such an evil being in my life.
Sue, HS's god is cruel because HS is cruel. Gods always reflect the desires and morals of those who create them.
If you were actually holy, HeavenSent, maybe you could shit bibles too.
HeavenSent
All Proverbs 1:7 proves is that verbal bullying goes back to ancient times.
HS
You need to get over YOUR obsession and stop posting your bible babble (which is 95% of the time out of context and off topic)
I am just commenting on your blather, HS
The faithful need to admit that they FEAR God and his wraith, and that it has nothing to do with love. You fear death (understandable, so do I, to a degree) and are worried about reprecussions in some 'afterlife'. But since you haven't been conclusively informed on what to do, or how to act on Earth..... why be so concerned about your 'post-life' responsibilities?
It seems to be the fear of death that is driving the faithful, and that, fundementally, is kinda sad. I have accepted death because nothing escapes it, even the universe. Planets die. Suns die. We die. Just be honored to have experienced life. It's truly been an honor for myself. Live well, everyone.
spiritual stockholm syndrome
All life is immortal in that our consti/tuent atoms remain after the meat machines wear out.
@ Doc Vestibule – To piggyback, "Yes, I totally agree". Since our atoms live on, in essence, we are still apart of the process (the universe). In fact, the MOST beautiful thing I ever heard was that we are basically living stardust. I find it amazing. Religion's explanations for everything pale in comparison to this. And it made sense to me, unlike religion.
The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. (Psalms 19:9)
Amen.
Since we've got HeavenStench dumping quotes on us yet again from her Christian book of nasty AKA the bible, it's time to take a closer look at some of the evil guidance that's really in there. From both foul testaments, and note especially the comments about context and interpretation:
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Leviticus 25
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
Bob, those scriptures are about unbelief for not knowing God's truth.
@ Heaven Sent – You get 2 points for rhyming. The quote ["The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether"] does not envoke any feeling in me to join the Lord's army. I'd rather love, because it lasts. Fear is good until I get the courage to defy.
HS, Do you have any evidence of a god?
HS is evidence there isn't a god at all.
No, HeavenStench, those quotes are very explicit instructions for people that are stated in your hateful book of nasty AKA the bible. Look at them again, and this time think through the context and interpretation comments more carefully:
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Leviticus 25
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
Joe, those scriptures are Jesus Christ's truth.
So HeavenStench finally admits that her bible instructs her to murder. Great stuff, that 'truth'. Way to bit yourself on the ass, HeavenStench.
So HeavenStench finally admits that her bible instructs her to murder. Great stuff, that 'truth'. Way to bite yourself on the ass, HeavenStench.
I don't know Stenchy, Bob sounds pretty alive to me.
@Heavenstinks.............. those "scriptures" are mythology.
"noun (plural mythologies)
1a collection of myths, especially one belonging to a particular religious or cultural tradition:"
Myth = ": an unfounded or false notion. a person or thing having only an imaginary or unverifiable existence"
sam, you need to stop stalking me too. LOL.
Since we've got HeavenStench dumping quotes on us again from her Christian book of nasty AKA the bible, it's time to take a closer look at some of the evil guidance that's really in there. From both foul testaments, and note especially the comments about context and interpretation:
Numbers 31:17-18
17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”
Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Leviticus 25
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.
Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.
And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.
So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.
Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
sam, I'm not planning a trip to Jerusalem, originally called Jebus.
Tommy Tom, SKIP. You proved yourself to be a liar as soon as you lied about what I posted my unbelieving bosses did to me. Liars backing up liars. Nothing new under the sun.
I'd fire HeavenSent too if I was unlucky enough to have her working in my organization.
"noun (plural mythologies)
1a collection of myths, especially one belonging to a particular religious or cultural tradition:"
Myth = ": an unfounded or false notion. a person or thing having only an imaginary or unverifiable existence"
HS: You need to get over your babble
Tom, you really need to get over your obsession with stealing my handle to post your babble.
Thank goodness critical thinking kills religion.
good luck finding any on the Belief Blog
James 3:8
But the tongue can no man tame; [it is] an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
Amen.
"James 3:8
But the tongue can no man tame; [it is] an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
Amen."
You are just as guilty of it as this poster but the difference is, you should know better. Yet again using scripture to condemn others of the very thing you do proves you don't understand the bible. Now read all of that section with yourself in mind. What a hypocrite.
HS: Only imbeciles quote ancient texts.
Amen
Pete, we are to share scriptures with all.
HS: Share them all you want, but do not expect to not be challenged on them
Even if those so called scriptures are considered pure myth?
sam, my post as usual is blocked. I'm grateful that I believe in Jesus Christ.
Anon, more excuses from the unbeliever so they can continue their sinful ways.
HS when are you going to get over the red horn-y thingy and understand evolution ?
Hey HS..............the little blue box ............follow the matrix no you know required !
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Jun 04, 2013 · HS you have no knowledge about facts and the truth ... and I am going to set his throne right over these stones that I have ... No horn-y red …
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http://www.bing.com/search?q=HS+when+are+you+going+to+get+over+the+red+horn-y+thingy+and+understand+evolution+%3f&pc=HPNTDF&src=IE-SearchBox&first=9&FORM=PERE
Science, when are you going to realize evolution is a lie. Have any captured apes changed into earlier man yet? That's a big NO.
I rest my case
Heaven Sent,
"Have any captured apes changed into earlier man yet?"
I dunno... have you precisely duplicated the environmental and other conditions of say, 15 MILLION years ago - and have you waited about 10 MILLION years with precisely the same miniscule mutations and adaptations and conditions? Get busy.
You are grateful for a belief?
how is belief a choice?
can you choose to beleive in bugs bunny?
HS: In order for something to be a lie, the person making the claim would have to know it is incorrect, but claim it is valid anyways
Something could be incorrect but not a lie
I wonder, you posted "Heaven Sent, "Have any captured apes changed into earlier man yet?"
I dunno... have you precisely duplicated the environmental and other conditions of say, 15 MILLION years ago – and have you waited about 10 MILLION years with precisely the same miniscule mutations and adaptations and conditions? Get busy.
Answer: No amount of excuses from you I wonder can make evolution true.
sam, just to be an unbeliever is living a lie. You follow satan who is a liar. Use reasoning to figure out that you are not on the truthful team.
Being an unbeliever is living a lie?
Do you believe in Odin? If not, are you living a lie?
HS: I do not believe in satan any more than i believe in the god of the bible, or odin, or baal, or etc etc etc
Try posting rationally
Hey HS find T REX ..........................you know............. the one that goes chomp or
1900 million year old fossils found by which Great Lake HS ?
sam stone, you need to pray to Jesus to give you eyes to see and ears to hear His truth. He'll do this for anyone that seeks Him. Other than that, you will stay lost.
HS
I sought "him" for years , decades. He does not exist.
There are thosands of gods men have created that YOU don't believe in making you mostly atheist.
I have just gone one god farther than you.
Richard Cranium, I'm sorry to hear you focus on the ways of the world (satan's lies) instead of God and His truth. The world isn't going to save your soul. Only Jesus can do this.
HS: go meet jeebus, if you have the guts
sam stone, skip.
HeavenSent, skip.
See how effective that is, bozo?
HS
Your god created this satan character, knowing full well the consequences. God is OK with anything satan ever did, or will do.
Threatening ME with this character is just silly as I know he also does not exist. Jesus is simply a manifestation (in character form ) of all the good that men ( mainly the ones who wrote it, but now the believers) can conceive...he is the "living" embodiment of those feelings and emotions. He isn't real...he is a metaphor for all the "best" attributes of men.
Satan is the same only all of the "negative" emotions...also a metaphor.
You cannot see the truth because you THINK you already do.
Just look at any other fiction, you will see the same things...Those characters are nothing more than writers tools.
There are none so blind as those who think they see, but let their "sight" blind them.
Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Amen.
Richard Cranium, the sin of PRIDE does blind men to make excuses not to believe Jesus Christ's truth about life and the hereafter. That is why Jesus told us to stay humble.
HeavenSent
How much pride must one have to see themselves in a "personal relationship" with the most powerful being imaginable? That he values your company so much that he will invite you to live in his home as a houseguest forever, as it were. People drop the names of celebrities they met once as a point of pride, and you say that you talk to God regularly.
Compared to atheists who believe themselves small specks living a limited life on a speck in the vast universe, and even people of other faiths, Christians are far more prideful.
"HeavenSent
Pete, we are to share scriptures with all."
You are not sharing it the way it is meant to be used, you are cherry picking the bible and using it out of context proving you don't understand it at all!
I used to think that believers were generally good people and that, although there were exceptions, most of them truly meant well. HS is proof that isn't the case.
"Nothing shall part us in our love till Thanatos at his appointed hour removed us from the light of day."
It's ironic that scientist, atheist, nor anyone else can provide that smallest piece of evidence PROVING the non-existence of an intelligent Creator. By definition making them people of great faith. Yet they boast around blinded by the pride of their foolishness thinking themselves wise. They say Christians believe in an imaginary fairytale, yet all of their changing theories came from the thoughts and imagination of limited minds. On the contrary Christians embrace the evidence of creation which shows intelligent design. Proving its origin being from a mere coincidence impossible, and clearly pointing to the incomprehensible genius of an Immortal Creator. Q:If life was not created by an intelligent Creator, why are the smartest among the geniuses of the world finding it impossible to figure out the origin of life? If you are open minded to learning visit http://www.theeternalwisdom.com Trusting in finite minds to figure out infinite things is more senseless than a blind mind chasing the wind. P.S. I'm speaking of a Creator not a specific God.
This debate has been done many times on this blog and you've been proven wrong already but you must be pretty dense to keep repeating it.
and you have done nothing to PROVE the non existence of the flying spaghetti monster
your empty proxy threats are amusing
blather some more
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Romans 11:20
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Amen.
Apparently your intelligent creator is utterly retarded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4238NN8HMgQ
Matthew 15:6
And honour not his father or his mother, [he shall be free]. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Amen.
"Matthew 15:6
And honour not his father or his mother, [he shall be free]. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
Amen."
How is a person talking about an "incomprehensible genius of an Immortal Creator." relevant to that scripture? Or as usual you really don't have a clue what you're talking about and why taking snippets of text out of the bible is so wrong.
Pete, that scripture is about why you don't believe and who taught you to be in such a state of unbelief.
"Pete, that scripture is about why you don't believe and who taught you to be in such a state of unbelief."
No, that's you taking it at face value and trying to save your ego. This poster was not talking about unbelief.
Pete, my 2nd post was to Anon.
Pete, cough Tommy Tom, get over your obsession with stalking me.
"Be not highminded, but fear"
Lol.
I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
Christians understand unbeliever refuse to fear God never to learn wisdom.
Seek
Scientists don't come up with valid theories out of pure imagination any more than police manufacture every case against someone. There's evidence, and there's figuring out the best explanation for what happened based on what that evidence suggests. While there are still some gaps in our knowledge, none of the evidence suggests that there must be a God. You could just as easily claim that leprechauns are responsible.
The burden of proof does not fall on the person who believes something does not exist. The burden of proof falls on the person who DOES believe something exists. So, go right ahead and show us what you got!
Whenever a convenience store is robbed in this country, all 305 million of the U.S. citizens don't have to go to court to prove that we didn't do it. The prosecutor has to prove that one person DID do it.
Observer, comprehend this truth. Believers are to sew His seeds. It's not our responsibility if those seeds fall on rock or get blown away with the wind. Only Jesus can water those seeds. If the clay asks Him is what believers are telling unbelievers..
HeavenSent:
" Believers are to sew His seeds"
Sew buttons on your underwear...
How do you "sew" seeds? Takes a very fine needle, eh?
"Zeus split the man and woman apart, fearing it's power, but obligating the man and woman on an everlasting quest to find their counterpart."
@HeavenSent...... "Christians understand unbeliever refuse to fear God never to learn wisdom."
You heapum big idiot... talkum like old TV Indian.
fintastic, I find it strange that you just stalk me to harass me, never to post about the topic. Again, proving liars need backup of dummy handles.
"Pete, cough Tommy Tom, get over your obsession with stalking me."
We are not the same people, get over yourself.
No mortal can provide solution for a challenge that is outside the scope of his reasoning. But if a man can put on his thinking cap and duely deploy it, the challenge will be half solved. Even some Christians have similar challenge like unbelievers. The solution to a doubting mind lies in individual's scrutiny with his thinking power. To those who believe in God, they have made a head start because God can be appretiated by the visible ceation and the evidence of resurrection of Jesus Christ and so on. The twisted mind is been remotely manipulated (2Peter 2:2), just as the right mind has yielded to his Creator.
weak argument
How you doing with the Bonhoeffer sam?
bill: ignoring him
Danson E. Ubebe,
Amen.
Doesn't seem like the "critical thinking" thing to do. Are you ignoring the Frankl also?
The Frankl?
Viktor Frankl. He wrote a book called "Man's Search for Meaning" It's a spiritual classic and a primer on his brand of psychotherapy. Not as dense as the Bonhoeffer but still a great read. It gives a good insight into how religious conviction and innate psychology enable people to overcome suffering such as Frankl witnessed in the concentration camps of Nazi Germany with purpose and dignity.
> No mortal can provide solution for a challenge that is outside the scope of his reasoning.
God's mind is infinite.
Ours is not.
Therefore, we cannot state any qualities about God's mind.
Therefore, we cannot state that God is good.
Your move.
😆
Danson E. Ubebe
What more "evidence" do we have for the resurrection of Jesus than we have for any of the other "dying and rising" gods? He has his stories and they have theirs. What's the difference, really?
Where can God be appreciated in nature when most of the things that only God could be used to explain have been solved through science, and the few mysteries remaining today appear to be destined to be solved by science soon?
JamesK, you posted "Danson E. Ubebe, What more "evidence" do we have for the resurrection of Jesus than we have for any of the other "dying and rising" gods? He has his stories and they have theirs. What's the difference, really?
Where can God be appreciated in nature when most of the things that only God could be used to explain have been solved through science, and the few mysteries remaining today appear to be destined to be solved by science soon?"
Answer: Jesus Christ is All. Fake deities didn't die for All defeating death. Science doesn't explain all. Science discovers some of God's truth. Not all of His truth. Only God will do this.
"Jesus Christ is All."
To some people
"Fake deities didn't die for All defeating death."
Oooh, a story. You cannot prove that jesus defeated death, either
"Science doesn't explain all."
Science does not claim to explain all
"Science discovers some of God's truth."
Again, an opinion
sam, the sin of pride is blinding you.
HS: Fvck off, troll
Heaven Sent- leave the atheist and there folly.
Kenrick Benjamin, there should be no 'there' there. There are two tu's to your tutu too. Don't trip on their cabbage when they're tossing dwarves from their mustard trees.
Kenrick Benjamin,
Amen.
" suffering such as Frankl witnessed in the concentration camps of Nazi Germany"
Bill Deacon
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter"
"The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew."
“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”
Adolf Hitler
Oh the irony.
HeavenSent
You may think that Jesus Christ is "All", but Justin Bieber's fans think pretty highly of him too, so it's all pretty much a matter of opinion, isn't it?
Prometheus died for the sin of bringing people knowledge in the ancient Greek religion, and he was punished every day by having his liver eaten by eagles. It would regrow only for the torture to repeat itself for all eternity. Jesus only had to die once, so tell me that he sacrificed more than Prometheus.
How do you know that other deities are fake? Have you proven that they are, or did you just realize that they were the same way we realized that God was fake?
Science doesn't explain all, but neither does religion. How did God supposedly create the universe out of nothing? What was God doing before he created us to worship him. How could God be eternal? How does God know that he's omniscient?
Actually, if you really think about it, putting God into the mix actually makes things a whole lot more complicated and convoluted. I prefer the simpler, more elegant, natural explanation.
Ignorance is not proof of god. It was once the reason for inventing gods, but we no longer have that excuse.
Nice post, JamesK, HeavenSent will probably be unable to respond. Far too logical for her.
Leviticus 20:9
If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.
20:10 If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death.
Hey HS ..............this should work.
Maybe the dinobird will swoop down and take the ICR ,RCC and the Discovery Insti-tute away.
Evolution again the Dinobird.............no god(s) needed.
X-Rays Reveal New Picture of 'Dinobird' Plumage Patterns
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/11/pope-francis-gay-lobby-exists-inside-vatican/#comments
June 11, 2013 —
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130611204530.htm
Or the action plan will help ...............a couple of chondrites knocked together shacks the faith also !
Imagine No Religion 3: Peter Boghossian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orW1AstN7AI
@lol??
reading back over your recent posting, I have to comment that you are seriously disturbed. Please get help (and not religious help but real help)
Good luck.
I enjoy reading lol's posts.
A hotline from the year 1000 CE:
"The Cheat of Sacred Rites
O fools, awake! The rites you sacred hold
Are but a cheat contrived by men of old,
Who lusted after wealth and gained their lust
And died in baseness—and their law is dust."
Al-Ma'arri
, born CE 973 /, died CE 1058 / .
Al-Ma’arri was a blind Arab philosopher, poet and writer.[1][2] He was a controversial rationalist of his time, attacking the dogmas of religion and rejecting the claim that Islam possessed any monopoly on truth."
More hot-lines from 1000 CE:
"The Two Universal Sects
They all err—Moslems, Jews,
Christians, and Zoroastrians:
Humanity follows two world-wide sects:
One, man intelligent without religion,
The second, religious without intellect. "
Al-Ma'arri
You're just another dusty god.
"Jhn 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"
Romans 11:20
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Amen.
"Romans 11:20
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Amen."
Once again HeavenSent demonstrates she doesn't understand the scriptures. The fact you took this out of context shows you don't know what is being discussed in that scripture.
Pete, you were conditioned not to believe, rejecting your mother and father by listening to the traditions of man.
"Pete, you were conditioned not to believe, rejecting your mother and father by listening to the traditions of man."
Keep demonstrating you don't understand the scriptures you are quoting.
Heavenstench........ I finally figured it out..... you were dropped on your head as a child...
Pete, Jesus' scriptures constantly teach us lessons about believers and unbelievers.
One more thing Pete, Jesus also taught us who got deceived and how they pass down the seeds of unbelief. Therefore, your thoughts are not you own on this subject.
To summarize with one more hotline from 1000 CE.
Death's Debt is Paid in
Full
Death's debt is then and there
Paid down by dying men;
But it is a promise bare
That they shall rise again. "
Al-Ma'arri
fintastic, you posted "Heavenstench........ I finally figured it out..... you were dropped on your head as a child..."
Question: Do you ever post to the topic? Or, has stalking me become an obsession Tom?
HS, I think your paranoia is unjustified.
Santa, you just proved me correct. I'm in an article 4 from the top, yet all you folks stalk my every move.
Pete, you posted "Romans 11:20
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Amen."
"Once again HeavenSent demonstrates she doesn't understand the scriptures. The fact you took this out of context shows you don't know what is being discussed in that scripture."
Answer: Stop stalking me. You haven't a clue how I used that scripture. FYI see below.
Romans 11:20
Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
5309 // uqhlofronew // hupselophroneo // hoop-say-lo-fron-eh'-o //
from a compound of 5308 and 5424 ; v
AV – be highminded 2; 2
1) to be high minded, proud
570 // apistia // apistia // ap-is-tee'-ah //
from 571 ; TDNT – 6:174,849; n f
AV – unbelief 12; 12
1) unfaithfulness, faithless
2) want of faith, unbelief
3) weakness of faith
HeavenSent
" I'm in an article 4 from the top, yet all you folks stalk my every move."
Guess what? There is a section called "Recent Comments", where folks just might click down the list.
You seem to have a penchant for revisiting days-old articles, where nobody is likely to read, and make sure that you have the last word in your 'discussions'.
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"..................The id, the ego and the superego function in different levels of consciousness: indeed, Freud's theory of the mind ......................." Freud was a coke head and had a wet nurse. He was a fraud. You bought it from the Frankfurt School of hot dogs with relish.
http://victorian.lang.nagoya-u.ac.jp/victorianweb/science/freud/division.html
BBBbbwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha
Freud's sin of PRIDE did him in.
Psalms 10:2
The wicked in [his] pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.
Amen.
"Freud's sin of PRIDE did him in.
Psalms 10:2
The wicked in [his] pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.
Amen."
Oh this takes the cake on using the scriptures out of context and why you shouldn't use snippets. Thanks for showing you have no clue about the meaning of the scriptures in the bible.
Pete, the sin of PRIDE is what did Lucifer under and all those that follow his lies.
"Pete, the sin of PRIDE is what did Lucifer under and all those that follow his lies."
The scripture you quoted also deals with as a Christian you do NOT call out the badness in others, but you bring it to your god in prayer. YOU went against that very scripture hypocrite.
HeavenSent,
PRIDE: It is identified as a desire to be more important or attractive than others, failing to acknowledge the good work of others, and excessive love of self. Dante's definition was "love of self perverted to hatred and contempt for one's neighbour".
There ought to be a picture of you & some of your posts beside that definition.
Bullshlt............ "pride refers to a satisfied sense of attachment toward one's own or another's choices and actions,"
Nothing wrong with being proud you dipwad
Pete, that scriptures was:
David complains of the wickedness of the wicked, describes the dreadful pitch of impiety at which they had arrived (to the great dishonour of God and the prejudice of his church and people), and notices the delay of God's appearing against them, He prays to God to appear against them for the relief of his people and comforts himself with hopes that he would do so in due time knowing the day of reckoning is yet to come, when the measure of their iniquity is full.
Here's the one of the sites HeavenSent uses to find scriptures, she really doesn't know the bible that well.
http://m.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/matthew-henry-complete/psalms/10.html
"Pete, that scriptures was:
David complains of the wickedness of the wicked, describes the dreadful pitch of impiety at which they had arrived (to the great dishonour of God and the prejudice of his church and people), and notices the delay of God's appearing against them, He prays to God to appear against them for the relief of his people and comforts himself with hopes that he would do so in due time knowing the day of reckoning is yet to come, when the measure of their iniquity is full.'
And that has nothing to do with Freud being prideful in the way that is being described here. That's the point!
Freud taught the tradition of men, not of God.
Dave, now that you know that's a true Christian site. Use it. P.S. are you the one that constantly changes my time on my computer to read my emails too?
Pete, cough, Tom. I'm glad you view that site. Anyone who is blinded by the sin of pride has the character of the wicked. Prideful people exist today, as it was in King David's day. Nothing new under the sun.
As for your other post to me. We discuss an issue with the sinner. If it falls on deaf ears, we bring in elders of the church to continue the discussion. If it still falls on deaf ears, then we know the person is blinded by that sin. David prayed to God because it was widespread destruction. Not just one individual.
"As for your other post to me. We discuss an issue with the sinner. If it falls on deaf ears, we bring in elders of the church to continue the discussion. If it still falls on deaf ears, then we know the person is blinded by that sin. David prayed to God because it was widespread destruction. Not just one individual."
The fact you don't get that it's not related is priceless and further proves how clueless you are about the bible...quick go use your bible study sites to help you out.
Pete, you own the ignorance on this scripture.
Here's the definition of Pride.
01346 // hwag // ga`avah // gah-av-aw' //
from 01342 ; TWOT – 299d; n f
AV – pride 9, excellency 3, haughtiness 2, arrogancy 1, highness 1,
proud 1, proudly 1, swelling 1; 19
1) pride, majesty, a rising up
1a) a rising up, swelling (of the sea)
1b) majesty (of Israel)
1c) pride, haughtiness
1c is what I was referring to.
Pete, believers live in this world. We do have conversations with people.
Pete, you posted ""As for your other post to me. We discuss an issue with the sinner. If it falls on deaf ears, we bring in elders of the church to continue the discussion. If it still falls on deaf ears, then we know the person is blinded by that sin. David prayed to God because it was widespread destruction. Not just one individual."
The fact you don't get that it's not related is priceless and further proves how clueless you are about the bible...quick go use your bible study sites to help you out."
Question pertaining to the last part of your post: Does that mean you're ordering your unbeliever buddies and yourself from postings from all the sites they (you) use? Beyond foolish. LOL Besides Pete, cough, Tommy Tom, Christians sharpen our knowledge with elders that acquired wisdom. That site is a perfect example of going to our elders.
A&A's live in caves and believe in the innate goodness of man. No savior needed for them!!
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"................MacBain, a former pastor who converted to atheism,......................." Now they've made atheism a religion. Tough luck for the A&A's. She a leader amongst men...