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June 12th, 2013
02:32 PM ET

Big Baptist group urges ouster of Boy Scout execs

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN) - The Southern Baptist Convention, the country's second largest church, said Boy Scout executives who pushed to allow openly gay Scouts without properly consulting members should be ousted from office.

In a resolution approved Wednesday at their annual meeting, Southern Baptist leaders stopped short of urging churches to cut ties with local troops in protest of the Scouting change, but didn't encourage them to stay, either.

Either way, the historic decision to allow gay Scouts could "complicate basic understandings of male friendships, needlessly politicize human sexuality, and heighten sexual tensions within the Boy Scouts,” the Baptist resolution says.

The Boy Scouts of America initially planned to lift its longtime ban on openly gay youth without canvassing members, Southern Baptists charged in a resolution that passed overwhelmingly.

The executives behind that plan should be removed, the Baptists said.

With 16 million members in some 45,000 congregations, the Southern Baptist Convention is the country’s largest Protestant denomination.

Baptists as a whole, including several smaller denominations, sponsor about 4,000 Scouting units representing 100,000 youths.

“We have a deep respect for the Southern Baptist Convention and its churches that use Scouting in their youth ministries,” said Deron Smith, a spokesman for the Boy Scouts of America.

“Scouting’s youth member policy is not about the BSA condoning homosexuality, or forcing its chartered organizations to do the same.”

After BSA leaders floated the idea of allowing gay youths in January, more than 60% of the BSA's 1,400-member national council approved the change in May. It takes effect Jan. 1.

The BSA will continue to prohibit any sexual conduct - heterosexual or homosexual - among its youth. The ban on openly gay leaders continues as well.

Membership in Boy Scouts has declined nearly 20% since 1999. About 2.7 million young people now participate nationwide.

Boy Scouts to allow gay youths to join

Smith said opening membership to gay youth “allows Scouting to be more compassionate in its response to a young person who expresses a same-sex attraction.”

Faith-based organizations charter more than 70% of Scout chapters, providing meeting space and leadership, according to the BSA.

Several of the largest religious sponsors, including the Mormon church, the United Methodist Church and the Roman Catholic Church, have indicated that they do not plan to disaffiliate from the BSA.

Still, many conservative congregations, particularly Southern Baptists, have pledged to cut ties with local troops, and some pastors on Wednesday called on the entire denomination to do likewise.

“We should stand firmly and keep ourselves from having to revisit this issue in future years,” Pastor Mike Janz of First Baptist Church of Rosamond, California, said Wednesday at the Baptist meeting.

Janz’s proposal to urge all Southern Baptists to disaffiliate from the Scouts was handily defeated Wednesday.

Still,  some top Southern Baptist leaders predict that congregations will leave the Scouts "en masse."

Baptists plan exodus from Boy Scouts

Pastor Charlie Dale of Indian Springs First Baptist Church in Alabama said churches and Scouts should help, not bar, boys who believe they are gay.

“Such a boy needs love,” Dale said. “So let’s bring him in and show him what biblical manhood and real love is about.”

Affiliating with Scout troops  also provides an avenue for evangelism, said Pastor David Uth of Orlando.

“We are very happy to partner (with Scouts) because it gives us access to more families and more boys to share the life-saving gospel of Jesus Christ.”

Russell Moore, the new head of the SBC’s powerful Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, called Uth’s approach “wise and gospel-focused.”

“This isn’t Disney redux, as some media predicted,” Moore tweeted.

The Southern Baptists' resolution encourages churches to consider the denomination's homegrown Scouting alternative, the Royal Ambassadors, a Christian group dedicated to developing "godly young men."

Meanwhile, liberal churches pledged to sponsor troops disowned by conservative congregations.

For every host organization that has decided to sever ties with their troop, eight to 10 new ones have invited the Boy Scouts into their community, according to Jeff Fulcher, spokesman for the Atlanta Area Council of the BSA.

"This membership issue is a sensitive issue with a lot of people in our community,” Fulcher said. “Some can't continue supporting the scouting programs. But the vast majority of the Scouts in our organization still want to continue scouting, and we've had a wide variety of churches, places of worship and civic organizations reaching out to us because they want scouting programs in their neighborhoods.”

One such church is the One World Spiritual Center in Marietta, Georgia, where the community extended an invitation to Boys Scout troops soon to lose their meeting place.

The Rev. Stephanie Seigh, head of the One World, said the church decided invite the Scouts after learning that Southern Baptists nearby refused to continue hosting their troops.

“We teach our children that God is in everyone and everything. We don't discriminate," Seigh told CNN.

CNN's Mayra Cuevas contributed to this report. 

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Baptist • Belief • Christianity • Church • Gay rights • Homosexuality • Politics • United States

soundoff (1,409 Responses)
  1. Amen

    People who use Christ to justify their prejudice and bigotry are not true Christians.

    June 13, 2013 at 8:41 am |
    • Joe from CT, not Lieberman

      Amen to your comment.

      June 13, 2013 at 9:08 am |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care

      No true Scotsman fallacy.

      June 13, 2013 at 9:11 am |
    • Leotis

      People who dictate public policy with their preference of genitalia are usually eunichs or worse.

      June 13, 2013 at 9:15 am |
    • .

      "People who dictate public policy with their preference of genitalia are usually eunichs or worse."

      Sociologists and psychologists hold that some of the emotionality in prejudice stems from subconscious attitudes that cause a person to ward off feelings of inadequacy by projecting them onto a target group. That's right folks homophobic people like this are just insecure and immature.

      June 13, 2013 at 9:17 am |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care

      Or they are overcompensating for thier own ho mo se xual tendencies. Ted Haggard and all the others.

      June 13, 2013 at 9:23 am |
    • Leotis

      Tell me another fairytale.

      June 13, 2013 at 9:31 am |
    • fintastic

      The bible... now there's a fairytale.

      June 13, 2013 at 10:11 am |
    • Ginger ale

      Would these be the same sociologists and other pc slaves that think surgery for "men trapped in womens bodies" is normal acceptable behavior? What a joke.

      June 13, 2013 at 11:40 am |
    • Seyedibar

      says the guy using the Egyptian sun god's name as a screen handle.

      June 13, 2013 at 11:57 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Ginger
      It is a known fact that often a female brain will be in a male body and vice-versa. There are physiological differences in a male brain and a female brain, same as there is with the body.
      So yes, they often feel like a woman trapped in a mans body.

      June 13, 2013 at 11:57 am |
  2. Honey Badger Don't Care

    The Big Bad Bigoted Baptists out in all their glory.

    June 13, 2013 at 8:09 am |
    • William Demuth

      I have always found them amusing more than threatening.

      But then again they are a small minority in my area.

      I had read that George Romero had used them as the template for his slow minded and slow moving variant of his famous Zombies.

      Not too bad if there are only a few, but a real nightmare en masse

      June 13, 2013 at 8:31 am |
    • Ginger ale

      Gay folk are far more amusing ..Nothing like a shrill voiced stereotype decked out in fluff to make one laugh.

      June 13, 2013 at 11:41 am |
  3. Primewonk

    Hmmmm...

    The SBC claims their version of god wants them to think gays are icky, so they need get rid of the folks in the BSA who said they weren't. Hey! Aren't these the same fundiot nutters who formed 160 years ago because they were just sure that their god wanted them to own black people?

    I don't think these idîots have a freaking clue.

    June 13, 2013 at 8:06 am |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care

      I am always amazed when there are groups of people who are marginalized that love to be a part of the group that marginalizes them.

      There should be no black, women, or gay xtians, but there are. There should be no black, women, or gay republicans, but there are.

      Just amazes me how some people can justify away the terrible things that those groups do.

      June 13, 2013 at 8:13 am |
    • Al

      Yes they are. They are still mad about losing the war. When the Baptist sing the song 'Power in the Blood', they are referring to white power.

      June 13, 2013 at 8:25 am |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care

      Funny you say that but there is a black leader of the SBC. A black person suports a religion who's book advocates for slavery. Amazing!

      June 13, 2013 at 8:31 am |
    • Austin

      Abraham was promised his people would be slaves for four hundred years. That kick off the covenant.

      June 13, 2013 at 8:36 am |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care

      Abraham was a schizophrenic whacko. Anyone who would even contemplate putting a knife through the chest of their son because a voice in their head told them to needs to be locked away for a long times.

      June 13, 2013 at 8:41 am |
    • Al

      Someday there will be a new book in the Bible starring that great warrior for Christ, Andrea Yates, and her victorious battle with the devil.

      June 13, 2013 at 8:50 am |
  4. William Demuth

    Here is a post that will probably infuriate some on both sides, but here it is

    I have always felt that science is at the core of Atheism, and used that core principal in judging the merits of a position

    That places me in a quandary on this subject.

    Religion aside, many against these development are concerned about predators. (Thus the ban on adults but not children)

    With our history of ignoring predators within the church and the tens of thousands of American children who were harmed as a result, I am loathe to let us avoid the questions due to PC fears. As we learned from race based studies, some will manipulate the data, but non-biased research can shed a HUGE amount of light on problems and might possibly prevent the abominations that were so prevalent in the church for so long

    Do gay people represent a greater risk of pedophilia than non-gays? Is there any correlation between orientation and victimization? Do adults involve themselves in such organizations for some form of erotic stimulus? Does the opportunity to be open about orientation reduce or increase molestation? Is orientation relevant in any way, or is it unrelated to molestation?

    I do NOT know the answers, but observation makes believe a real and unbiased study is warranted. While I do NOT see an obvious cause and effect, I am not confident in saying none exists. (and please, don’t be silly and point to meaningless short term studies based on the work of people with an agenda on BOTH sides)

    Alas, with all the special interest groups preventing real science, I suspect we will NEVER have real research, and we shall permit political correctness to keep us in the dark.

    We have so often failed our children in the past, and were willingly blind, that all I can suggest is perhaps some research? A few facts would be helpful.

    Let’s have the national health agencies do some real work for once, and get us some answers

    June 13, 2013 at 8:00 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      The emphasis has always been on punishing or killing predators rather than studying them. I believe this is because the common strains of religion teach that temptation by Satan, something they say everyone is in danger of giving in to, is the ultimate reason behind even the strangest and most deviant behaviour. We are all capable of all evils, it is thought.

      June 13, 2013 at 8:13 am |
    • William Demuth

      Very True!

      I remember back in the 60's and 70's we all had gut feelings about priests molesting kids, but to even suggest it was taboo.

      All that "looking the other way" has left me quite paranoid about my own kids. Having raised both genders I am concerned that a father saying he would rather not have a man coaching his 12 year old daughters soccer team and escorting them on trips would be "understood" as a legitimate concern my a great percentage of average folks, but expressing the same concern about a gay man as an escort of 12 year old boys is bigoted.

      Better to err on the side of caution because ignoring those "gut feelings" about preachers results in the harm of a LARGE number of children.

      June 13, 2013 at 8:21 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Your claim of tens of thousands of children molested is only a fraction. The U.S. Department of Education reports there are currently somewhere between 50 and 80 million people alive who have suffered some form of child seexual abuse. The lion's share of these individuals are not victims of clergy but of predators who accessed them through other venues. So, you are partially correct. The problem is rampant, it is just many orders larger than you realize. There are some studies out there but surprisingly few, especially compared to the clarion or media reports on the segment attributable to clergy. The most reputable reports show that there is no link between adult seexual orientation and pedophilia or ephebophilia. Gender preference and age preference while sometimes coincident are not correlated.

      June 13, 2013 at 9:27 am |
    • Vic

      I believe it all depends on if the person has a moral compass or not, regardless of their s e x u a l orientation/preference!

      As a Christian, I believe we all have iniquity as well as being sinful. That iniquity is exactly what drives us to sin, and Satan preys on that with temptation!

      You don't have to be a believer to have a moral compass; Morality it is given to all through Natural Revelation that we perceive with built-in functions, i.e. Basic Instincts, Intuition & Common Sense.

      June 13, 2013 at 9:28 am |
    • tallulah13

      Most of us get our moral compass from our parents or from our culture, Vic. But if you need empty threats of hell or equally empty promises of heaven in order to be a decent human being, then you go on ahead.

      To address the actual topic, homosexuality is not the same thing as pedophilia and should not be treated as such. A pedophile who preys on girls is just as bad as a pedophile who preys on boys. People like to forget that when pointing fingers.

      June 13, 2013 at 9:42 am |
    • Science

      And the twins show up to funny .................moral what Vicky ?

      June 13, 2013 at 9:44 am |
    • William Demuth

      Mr Deacon

      Bull.

      ALL the so called studies had an agenda. Lets have some REAL science please, with some controls and unlimited access to all the data at the governments disposal.

      For example, the clergy has made centuries long attempts at avoiding, hiding and subsidizing pedos, either out of greed, fear or complicity. Any data they have ever provided was inevitably proven to be bold face lies.

      Compiling lies is useless. Lets have the Attorneys General and the Surgeons General start compiling the truth for once.

      June 13, 2013 at 9:47 am |
    • Huh?

      "The U.S. Department of Education reports there are currently somewhere between 50 and 80 million people alive who have suffered some form of child seexual abuse. "

      Children are suffering from a hidden epidemic of child abuse and neglect. Every year 3.3 million reports of child abuse are made in the United States involving nearly 6 million children (a report can include multiple children). The United States has the worst record in the industrialized nation – losing five children every day due to abuse-related deaths. Approximately 80% of children that die from abuse are under the age of 4. More than 90% of juvenile sexual abuse victims know their perpetrator in some way.

      Now the fact that 80% of Americans claim to be Christians what does that tell you about your religion.

      June 13, 2013 at 9:56 am |
    • Dave

      @Huh? What do you expect the bible tells them to stone their children to death if they talk back to them.

      June 13, 2013 at 9:59 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Yeah, let's put the attorney general on it. He's trustworthy. Really William, you sound more in touch when you just advocate firebombing people you dislike.

      June 13, 2013 at 10:35 am |
    • ME II

      @Bill Deacon and @Huh?,

      please cite your sources. I'd be interested in the data.

      @William Demuth,

      Obviously not all studies are unbiased, but you seems to be making a sweeping generalization in stating that no study has been unbiased. What do you base that assessment on? citations, please.

      June 13, 2013 at 10:50 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Me II Childhelp.org is a good place to start for some general statistics

      Here's the link to the government report:
      http://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf

      SNAP can give you the credible numbers on priestly abuse along with the John Jay report

      When you put it all together the only rational conclusion is that our seex saturated society has an epidemic child abuse problem which we deny and camouflage by trumpeting select cases of teacher abuse (if the perp is a seexy female), a high profile person such as a college football coach or a clergymen because, well that sells newspapers.

      June 13, 2013 at 11:15 am |
    • ME II

      @Bill Deacon,
      Thanks for the links. I was actually looking for support for your own numbers.

      Here are some numbers that put things in perspective:

      The study’s findings include:

      An estimated 7.9% of men and 19.7% of women globally experienced se[]xual abuse prior to the age of 18.
      U.S. rates were 7.5% for males and 25.3% for females.
      The highest prevalence rate of child se[]xual abuse geographically was found in Africa (34.4%.) Europe showed the lowest prevalence rate (9.2%). America and Asia had prevalence rates between 10.1% and 23.9%.
      South Africa has the highest prevalence rates for both men (60.9%) and women (43.7%). Jordan presents the second-highest prevalence rate for men (27%), followed by Tanzania (25%). Rates between 10% and 20% are reported for males in Israel (15.7%), Spain (13.4%), Australia (13%) and Costa Rica (12.8%), while the remaining countries all have prevalence rates below 10%.
      For women, seven countries reported prevelence rates above 20%: Australia (37.8%), Costa Rica (32.2%), Tanzania (31.0%), Israel (30.7%), Sweden (28.1%), the United States (25.3%) and Switzerland (24.2%).
      The generally much-lower rate for males may be partially inaccurate; under-reporting may be particularly prevalent because of the “possibility of greater shame and the fear that they will be labeled as hom[]os[]exual (if the aggressor was another man) or weak (if the aggressor was a woman), which may combine with the fact that they are more often accused of having provoked the abuse.”

      – See more at: http://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/criminal-justice/global-prevalence-child-seREMOVExual-abuse#sthash.Bq6eYstD.dpuf

      June 13, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      I've used these calculations also ME II. If you use a nominal 30% rate and figure the U.S. population at 300 million you get 90 million victims, which statistically corroborates with the number from other studies citing direct reports. I think the point is you have to look at a number of studies that compile the data in different ways to see what is really going on. My over arching point is and has been twofold: First, as ghastly as priestly abuse is, it is a statistically moot point in the big picture and two, seexual orientation is not related to age preference.

      Here's one of many reports on that issue, which I find strange that there are a number of reports defending gays against inaccurate charges but not so many that delineate charges against the clergy from the secular, oh well, such is life.

      http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

      June 13, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
    • ME II

      @Bill Deacon,
      I'm not necessarily disputing your numbers, just a portrayal of facts without support. For example, "If you use a nominal 30% rate..." What is "nominal" about 30%? Where did that rate come from?

      "... seexual orientation is not related to age preference."

      I don't disagree, but again no support.

      "First, as ghastly as priestly abuse is, it is a statistically moot point in the big picture..."

      Not "moot", but its significance depends on the numbers used. Yes, as a percentage of all se.xual abuse of children, the clergy based abuse may not have a large statistical significance. There are 2.4M deaths in the US in 2010 and only 50K of those were from Flu or Pneumonia, only ~2%. Should we ignore that 2%, because it is not as significant as the ~25%, ~600K, deaths due to heart disease? (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm)

      However, that is not the reason most people seem to react vehemently to abuse by clergy.

      In other words it is not only the number of victims but the hypocrisy and systematic cover-up that is so abhorrent to most people. But, I know this has been pointed out to you before.

      I think you are attempting to minimize the RCC's significance/guilt by linking it to a misunderstanding about se.xual orientation, i.e. look the clergy is not any more dangerous to children than average, just like gays aren't. I think this is a non-sequitor, in that there is no relation between the two.

      Unless of course, you agree with the RCC's response (from your link):
      "Indeed, the Vatican's early response to the 2002 revelations of widespread Church cover-ups of se[]xual abuse by priests was to declare that gay men should not be ordained."

      June 13, 2013 at 2:09 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      I'm not trying to make a peer reviewed case ME II. The studies are out there and you can google them just like I have. Using your own data on this thread, you can see rates from 9-34%. Perform a quick mental average and I think you can see how a nominal rate of 25-30% over a population of 300 million yields numbers that are statistically in line with reports from other studies that show 50-80 million victims in the U.S.. What I am telling you is that independent studies using different methodologies yield comparable numbers without consideration of any supposed agendas by the study group.

      Additionally I am telling you that blanket accusations of clergy is about a relevant as blanket accusations of gays. There simply is no correlation between the occupation of clergy to pedophilia just as there is none to hom0s3xuality and pedophilia. Are some priest guilty? Yes. Are some gays also guilty? Yes. But the preponderance of child seex abuse in this country is not perpetrated by gays or clergy. It comes from all classes of people, including straight females, albeit the numbers for women are lower than either priests or gay men. The largest group of perpetrators is straight male family members, followed closely by straight male public school teachers. The reason for this is that is where the victims are. They are in our homes and in our public schools.

      Thirdly, when you divert your attack to the cover up you accomplish two things. The first is you cast the direct issue of child abuse aside in your zeal to persecute the low numbers of priests and the reaction of their supervisors. Secondly, and more egregiously in my mind, you contribute the the cover of the 3.3 million cases a year that occur in the United States by trumpeting the coverup. The effect is that everyone, like William, perceives child abuse as a Catholic issue which is patently false and only contributes to the societal denial of the epic problem.

      If you want to excavate the data and try to learn about the issue I commend you. I've done the same. But I'm not providing the math and homework here so you can pick it apart just for the purpose of keeping the focus on priests any more than I am willing to allow William to conflate hom0s3xuality with pedophilia.

      June 13, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
    • lolol

      it is the scientific method, not science, that lies at the heart of any default position fool lolol

      June 13, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
    • ME II

      @Bill Deacon,
      I'm not casting blanket accusations, nor am I attempting to divert the discussion. All I wanted was some citations, links to your numbers.

      By the way, my own "quick mental calculation" shows 7.5% of US males and 25.3% of US females (from my earlier sources), assuming a 50% gender split in a 300M population is only 16.4% of the total population.

      June 13, 2013 at 3:34 pm |
    • fred

      Ok, so I don't understand. If 98% of boys raped are raped by older adult men how is that not homosexual in nature?
      It seems to me we are bending over the definition of pedophilia.

      June 13, 2013 at 3:38 pm |
    • ME II

      @fred,
      "In most cases, the perpetrator is male regardless of whether the victim is a boy or girl. Heterose[]xual and gay men are equally likely to se[]xually abuse children. A perception that most perpetrators are gay men is a myth and harmful stereotype.

      Some perpetrators are female - It is estimated that women are the abusers in about 14% of cases reported among boys and 6% of cases reported among girls."
      (http://www.apa.org/pi/families/resources/child-se%5B%5Dxual-abuse.aspx)

      June 13, 2013 at 3:53 pm |
    • fred

      ME II
      Abstract:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1556756

      Previous investigations have indicated that the ratio of sex offenders against female children vs. offenders against male children is approximately 2:1, while the ratio of gynephiles to androphiles among the general population is approximately 20:1. The present study investigated whether the etiology of preferred partner sex among pedophiles is related to the etiology of preferred partner sex among males preferring adult partners. Using phallometric test sensitivities to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per offender group, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually. This, of course, would not indicate that androphilic males have a greater propensity to offend against children.

      June 13, 2013 at 4:19 pm |
    • ME II

      @fred,
      You did read the last sentence of that abstract, didn't you.

      June 13, 2013 at 5:50 pm |
  5. truthseeker

    @lol, Romans 1:24-27

    June 13, 2013 at 7:45 am |
    • MidTn Guy

      My point exactly!!

      Do you people not follow what you spout out? From the way the SBC handles child abuse, obviously not!

      Clean up your own house before pointing your crooked little fingers at everyone else. How much more hypocritical can a group/cult be?

      The SBC has zero credibility....

      Bet you guys are still wondering why membership is dwindling, aren't you? The more "Westboro" this group becomes, the more it will diminish in importance. BTW. you are obviously "failing" in your main mission. Why??

      June 13, 2013 at 8:03 am |
    • Don

      "@lol, Romans 1:24-27"

      Most New Testament books, including the four Gospels, are silent on same-sex acts, and Paul is the only author who makes any reference to the subject. The most negative statement by Paul regarding same-sex acts occurs in Romans 1:24-27 where, in the context of a larger argument on the need of all people for the gospel of Jesus Christ, certain homosexual behavior is given as an example of the "uncleanness" of idolatrous Gentiles.

      This raises the question: Does this passage refer to all homosexual acts, or to certain homosexual behavior known to Paul's readers? The book of Romans was written to Jewish and Gentile Christians in Rome, who would have been familiar with the infamous sexual excesses of their contemporaries, especially Roman emperors. They would also have been aware of tensions in the early Church regarding Gentiles and observance of the Jewish laws, as noted in Acts 15 and Paul's letter to the Galatians. Jewish laws in Leviticus mentioned male same-sex acts in the context of idolatry.

      The homosexual practices cited in Romans 1:24-27 were believed to result from idolatry and are associated with some very serious offenses as noted in Romans 1. Taken in this larger context, it should be obvious that such acts are significantly different from loving, responsible lesbian and gay relationships seen today.

      What is "Natural"?

      Significant to Paul's discussion is the fact that these "unclean" Gentiles exchanged that which was "natural" for them, physin, in the Greek text, for something "unnatural," para physin. In Romans 11:24, God acts in an "unnatural" way, para physin, to accept the Gentiles. "Unnatural" in these passages does not refer to violation of so-called laws of nature, but rather implies action contradicting one's own nature. In view of this, we should observe that it is "unnatural," para physin, for a person today with a lesbian or gay sexual orientation to attempt living a heterosexual lifestyle.

      June 13, 2013 at 9:00 am |
    • Joe from CT, not Lieberman

      Why do people always cite Paul for their "proof" against gay people and their actions? Because they cannot find any statements condemning it in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke or John.

      June 13, 2013 at 9:13 am |
    • tallulah13

      Christ had very little to do with the church that stole his name. Most christians are followers of a Roman tax collector who "met Jesus in a vision" (no, really!). I can't believer that 2000 years later, they're still falling for that. I suspect it's because religion is cultural habit, and many people are conditioned to believe without critical thought.

      June 13, 2013 at 10:02 am |
  6. MidTn Guy

    Somebody needs to ask why the BSA even tolerates these attacks from a group (cult?) that won't tell their own to report all cases of child abuse (see yesterday's news from Houston). The BSA guidelines demand that all child abuse be reported, are the Baptist troops exempt? Looks to me like the BSA needs to tell the SBC troops to go camp elsewhere for the safety of the kids..

    The BSA was pushed into a nightmare scenario and took the high ground. The Baptists are acting sanctimonious, as usual. Anyone surprised at all?

    June 13, 2013 at 7:35 am |
    • lolol

      ask me if I care and I say not much lolol groups of boys are pedo-magnets when I was a boy it was often the pedos come snifffin around to coach teach help whatever lolol gays are gay no matter the age too lolol who cares not much me

      June 13, 2013 at 3:18 pm |
  7. Asylum

    Just think, in 30-odd years all the baby boomers will be dead. Then we can finally make some meaningful progress in regards to basic civil rights.

    June 13, 2013 at 2:25 am |
    • David

      Don;t worry lol??, you will have gotten so frustrated that your Jesus hasn't shown up yet that you will sip your draino c0cktail and drift off into oblivion with the rest of your impatient rapture crew.

      June 13, 2013 at 2:44 am |
    • Science

      Hey Asylum............can not speak for them all but .............we do think outside the box.

      High Diversity of Flying Reptiles in England 110 Million Years Ago

      June 12, 2013 — Brazilian paleontologists Taissa Rodrigues, of the Federal University of Espirito Santo, and Alexander W. A. Kellner, of the National Museum of the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro, have just presented the most extensive review yet available of toothed pterosaurs from the Cretaceous of England. The study features detailed taxonomic information, diagnoses and photographs of 30 species and was published in the open access journal ZooKeys.

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130612101853.htm

      June 13, 2013 at 6:18 am |
    • The real Tom

      loony lolly says: "not in the rupture cult."

      Too bad. I'd love to see morons like you disappear in the blink of an eye. Maybe there's another way.....

      June 13, 2013 at 6:33 am |
    • Science

      The real Tom

      You know fred above...............true comedy gold.................and his hairy sun.

      June 13, 2013 at 3:53 pm |
    • Science

      The real Tom

      AE is it fredy or Austin and his black cats or even HS or might even be chad and his poor ICR ?

      June 13, 2013 at 5:09 pm |
    • Science

      Maybe AE does not like the action plan video on previous page posted for chad.?

      June 13, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
  8. Chad

    The absolute hatred of gays and lesbians by religious people just baffles me to no end. They're not hurting you. They're not trying to indoctrinate your stupid children (you're already doing that with your Bronze-age mythology). They just want to live their lives without being terrorized, attacked, mocked, or openly hated. Good grief. There is such a vast disconnect between Jesus and his teachings and today's "Christians." They really need to think of a new name for themselves, because "Disciples of Christ," many are surely not!

    June 13, 2013 at 2:21 am |
    • lol??

      "Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."

      June 13, 2013 at 2:52 am |
    • Science

      Chad is that really you or the ICR. Discovery Insti-tute and or the RCC ?

      June 13, 2013 at 7:45 am |
    • Science

      Hey Chad for you.............. an action plan to yank your faith or find a couple of chondrites.

      Imagine No Religion 3: Peter Boghossian

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orW1AstN7AI

      June 13, 2013 at 10:40 am |
    • Science

      ginger is now chad ?

      Adam and that damn BONE aye chad ?

      June 13, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
  9. cgs

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) didn't endorse the change like the article said. It's simply a non issue and a non change for them. My dad was a Mormon scout master for 20 years. Every Tuesday night he held a scout meeting for whoever showed up – boys who were weird, normal, macho, effeminate, shy, extroverted, or whatever. He didn't turn anyone away. That is how it has always been for the Mormons. No boy gets turned away. The Mormon Scout leaders provide a great scouting experience and fatherly mentoring for any boy who shows up at their meetings.

    June 13, 2013 at 2:04 am |
  10. Andrew

    The Southern Baptist church should be removed for being so openly bigoted. At this point they're nothing but the KKK.

    June 13, 2013 at 1:25 am |
    • lol??

      removed?? thanks for the notice.

      June 13, 2013 at 3:05 am |
  11. Observer

    HeavenSent,

    I will save you from continuing to make a COMPLETE FOOL of yourself by correcting your IGNORANCE.

    I am male. Tom is female.

    If you continue to claim we are the same person, then either::

    (a) you are such a DIMWIT that you think Tom is a guy, or
    (b) you are such a DIMWIT that you think I am a woman.

    So which is it? (a) or (b)?

    June 13, 2013 at 1:21 am |
    • HeavenSent

      That's the thing about Matty, she keeps on coming.

      P.S. do you think you can come up with something original?

      June 13, 2013 at 1:32 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      So it is (a) or (b)?

      June 13, 2013 at 1:35 am |
    • midwest rail

      Both a and b are correct. H.S. is a dimwit.

      June 13, 2013 at 1:49 am |
    • lol??

      lol??
      Your comment is awaiting moderation.
      You are simply a guy that thinks like a gril. Bad science will do that to ya.

      June 13, 2013 at 2:16 am |
    • WASP

      @lol: "You are simply a guy that thinks like a gril. Bad science will do that to ya."

      hey wanna hear a joke LOL?
      you believe in god, we don't; so from your stand point god made males that think like females, however from our point of view "we were born that way." XD

      June 13, 2013 at 7:55 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, either way your both reprobates.

      June 13, 2013 at 8:13 am |
    • The real Tom

      It's "you're", moron.

      So now you're withdrawing your contention that Observer and I are the same person? YOU MEAN YOU WERE WRONG????

      June 13, 2013 at 8:15 am |
    • HeavenSent

      I know Tom, I just wanted to irk you to write so I could post it again so it sinks in. LOL.

      Observer, either way you're both reprobates.

      June 13, 2013 at 8:29 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, I once believed Observer to be his own person, then blast off, the mouth went off. You are the only one that is that perverted. You were blasting another handle and you forgot what dummy handle you were using.

      June 13, 2013 at 8:36 am |
    • fintastic

      Heavenstench....... you prove time and time again to be a total nut case. An accurate representation of your cult.

      June 13, 2013 at 10:44 am |
    • sam stone

      be careful, fintastic.....heaven's stench and filth will get together and file imaginary lawsuits.

      June 13, 2013 at 11:44 am |
    • fintastic

      @Sam............ LOL!!!

      June 13, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • faith

      lol sambo fishnet

      June 13, 2013 at 2:35 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Liars need backup to enforce their lies. sam stone and fintastic prove my statement's truth.

      June 14, 2013 at 4:47 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      WASP. you posted @lol: "You are simply a guy that thinks like a gril. Bad science will do that to ya." "hey wanna hear a joke LOL? you believe in god, we don't; so from your stand point god made males that think like females, however from our point of view "we were born that way." XD"

      Answer: Humans were given freewill by God. Righteous folks follow God's truth.

      June 14, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
  12. emintey

    Shame, sheme on these Southern baptists.

    “We teach our children that God is in everyone and everything. We don't discriminate," Seigh told CNN. the way it should be.

    Southern Baptists are living up to their historical roots, they came into being when splitting off from other baptists because they would not condemn slavery. It's a backward looking, bigoted religious organization.

    June 13, 2013 at 1:19 am |
    • lol??

      She spouting Hindu doctrine. More dragon flood.

      June 13, 2013 at 2:14 am |
  13. Allenmk

    I am so tired of those that claim they are Christian but preach hate and advocate violence on anyone that has different faiths or beliefs about what America is suppose to be they claim that the bible condemns the LBGT groups well Christ himself condemns those who divorce a dozen times our more so then we should also deny couples the right to divorce because Christ said that those who divorce will never see the kingdom of heaven these so called Christians will stand in front of planned parent hood with signs declaring all life is sacred the outside a prison with signs saying fry him they claim the poor and sick should help themselves when Christ commands us to feed the hungry an comfort the ill It is simple for anyone that is a true follower of Christ John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you love one another as I have loved you and you will have fullfilled all the commandments and you will will be known as my followers by your love Christ is love yet these people are full of hate for all but themselves sure wouldn't want to be you on judgement day. For how you treat the least of you you also treat me And you have treated Christ like crap

    June 13, 2013 at 12:34 am |
    • Arthur Bryant

      No True Scotsman......

      June 13, 2013 at 6:37 pm |
  14. atomD21

    Wow, I'm glad I was sitting for the shock that the Southern Baptists are still ignorant bigots... I still can't figure out why people that claim to love Jesus continue to ignore his way of doing things...

    June 13, 2013 at 12:33 am |
    • Sherri

      You are so right. Instead of following what Jesus taught, these Baptists make a mockery out of Christians. My Jesus taught me that God loves everyone the same, even Baptists. Go figure!

      June 13, 2013 at 12:56 am |
  15. bigdakine

    Yo Baptists...

    Don't let the door hit your fat butts on the way out.

    June 13, 2013 at 12:32 am |
  16. Al

    The baptists should put their money where their mouth is and pull all their kids out of public school and send them to private schools where gay learning is not tolerated.

    June 13, 2013 at 12:28 am |
    • fintastic

      "gay learning"???? W T F is that??

      June 13, 2013 at 12:07 pm |
    • Al

      Educating gays.

      June 13, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
  17. tallulah13

    This baptist group is terribly arrogant. No surprise there.

    June 13, 2013 at 12:12 am |
    • Kilgore Trout

      Isn't any group that believes they can influence the universe by communicating telepathically with a supernatural being who watches their every move...just a bit arrogant?

      June 13, 2013 at 12:15 am |
    • Kilgore Trout

      I'm arrogant because I'm not convinced that the universe revolves around my thoughts?

      June 13, 2013 at 12:19 am |
    • ADifferentOpinion

      I don't see how disassociation from a group that previously held common values but has now endorsed a value that is clearly not common is arrogant. Seems like a pretty logical course of action. I don't see how anyone associated with the scouts didn't see this coming.

      June 13, 2013 at 12:20 am |
  18. ADifferentOpinion

    Well, at least now Anderson Cooper and CNN will have something to talk about tomorrow.

    June 13, 2013 at 12:09 am |
  19. Kilgore Trout

    "Big Baptist group urges ouster of Boy Scout execs"

    I bet the Baptist group was indeed very big...A 2006 Purdue study found that the fundamental Christians are by far the heaviest of all religious groups led by the Baptists with a 30% obesity rate compared with Jews at 1%, Buddhists and Hindus at 0.7%.

    If ones body is a temple, we see the sincerity of their beliefs...

    June 13, 2013 at 12:06 am |
  20. jack

    If any leaders were worthy of ousting, it would be the leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention. They've turned the beautiful philosophy of "the priesthood of the believer" into one of ugliness, bigotry, and hatred.

    June 12, 2013 at 11:59 pm |
    • ADifferentOpinion

      How so?

      June 13, 2013 at 12:03 am |
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