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June 20th, 2013
10:22 AM ET

Exodus apologizes to gay community, shuts down 'cure' ministry

(CNN) - After 37 years, Exodus International, an organization whose mission was to "help" gay Christians become straight, is shutting down. But not before issuing an apology.

"We're not negating the ways God used Exodus to positively affect thousands of people, but a new generation of Christians is looking for change - and they want to be heard," Tony Moore, an Exodus board member, said Wednesday.

The announcement comes less than a day after Exodus issued a wide-ranging apology to the gay community for "years of undue judgment by the organization and the Christian Church as a whole," a statement from the group says.

"Exodus is an institution in the conservative Christian world, but we've ceased to be a living, breathing organism," said Alan Chambers, the president of Exodus. "For quite some time, we've been imprisoned in a worldview that's neither honoring toward our fellow human beings, nor biblical."

Chambers, who has a wife and children and previously identified as gay, has acknowledged that he has "ongoing same-sex attractions."

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Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Culture wars • Gay rights • Homosexuality

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  1. William Demuth

    I can't speak for others, but if I was ever on a jury judging a child that was forced to endure this nonsense who then decided to disembowel one of these clowns and use his entrails to make haggis, I could not in good faith ever vote to convict him of anything.

    These clowns fried a lot of minds, and they need to pay.

    June 21, 2013 at 10:47 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      It's the parents who send them there. The buck stops there, in my opinion. If some wide-load mom and her wide-load child sue a fast-food outlet for making them fat, it's not the fast-food outlets fault. I know it's not exactly the same, but the same should apply. It's the parents who are responsible for and accountable to their children.

      June 21, 2013 at 10:59 am |
    • William Demuth

      So if a parent sends a child to be tortured the torturer bears no accountability?

      Unethical medical treatment is a crime, quite a serious one in fact. If these men used treatments that they knew were bogus from the get go they are guilty of innumerable charges.

      If one knowingly selects Josef Rudolf Mengele as his pediatrician their children must expect damage, but both the parent and the doctor are accountable.

      June 21, 2013 at 11:07 am |
    • HotAirAce

      "It's the parents. . ." Sure, let's let the bogus advisors that encouraged the parents to send their kids there off the hook.

      June 21, 2013 at 11:13 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      Torture is a strong word to use in this instance, although I suppose it depends on what your definition of torture is. Anyway, all these ex-gay camps were legally sanctioned (although they were greatly frowned upon by the medical community). Wouldn't it be entrapment to allow these organizations to practice, but then prosecute them a few years down the line? Unless it can be proven that, from the beginning, all these ex-gay camp operators knew with absolute certainty that there was no way their treatment would have any affect, I don't think a justifiable case can be made against them. And let's face it, they're religious freaks. I reckon that many of them truly believed what they were doing was beneficial.

      Also, regarding unethical medical treatment, it happens all the time. All these pract.itioners of holistic medicine, like homeopathy, they know that that stuff is bogus but are allowed to practice it.

      June 21, 2013 at 11:22 am |
    • EnjaySea

      I'll go so far as to agree with you that they were wrong to emotionally scar their subjects, and that their beliefs about homosexuality is idiotic, but I'd stop short of calling for their disembowelment.

      June 21, 2013 at 11:38 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      EnjaySea

      I think that's a fair assessment.

      June 21, 2013 at 11:47 am |
    • Monty

      Perhaps a small flesh wound??

      June 21, 2013 at 11:49 am |
    • faith

      farmers in wisconsin produce a great deal of cheese

      June 21, 2013 at 11:52 am |
    • Vic

      Couldn't help but remember the movie The Magdalene Sisters (2002)

      June 21, 2013 at 11:56 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      faith

      Indeed they do and it's the best cheese in the US. Have you ever asked for cheese in the South? Most people there think it comes from a can (that's not a slight against the South either. I love Southerners).

      June 21, 2013 at 11:57 am |
    • faith

      elephants drink massive amounts of water when they are thirsty

      June 21, 2013 at 11:59 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      Vic

      Those places were sanctioned by the State in Ireland and received public funding. The State and the Church were accountable there, as both inst.itutions were inseparable in Ireland at the time (they still are, in many ways, even though Ireland probably has the fastest secularizing population in Europe).

      June 21, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
    • Betty Cooker

      Maybe like in A Clockwork Orange, the clowns should submit to having their eyes held open and being forced to watch The Killing of Sister George a hundred times followed by lockdown in a room for three days where all they can hear are Barbara Streisand albums. Just to make sure the cake is set properly.

      June 21, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
    • lol??

      What people do in the privacy of their own counselor's rooms is none of yer business DeMouth. Kids?? They're not yers either, mr. statist fuhrer.

      June 21, 2013 at 12:21 pm |
    • Pete

      I'm Sorry Dave they make cheese at Mississippi State University and it is freaking delicious.

      June 21, 2013 at 12:37 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      Pete

      Good for them. Fight the good fight to deliver better food. It's not commercially available outside Mississippi though, is it?

      June 21, 2013 at 12:40 pm |
    • Science

      Hey faithy how do you know that about the cheese bit NOT the BONE ?

      June 21, 2013 at 1:29 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      There is hope for rocks to stop being rocks, stop listening to satan ensuring doubt stays with you. Time to start hearing and believing the word of God. God does not lie. Satan is the liar and wants you to doubt God's truth. Those that refused to hear the word are still in doubt ... and they wonder why they weren't healed.

      Matthew 13:20  

      But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

      Amen.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:19 pm |
    • Science

      Hey HS are you stoned ?

      June 21, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
    • Science

      Hey faithy if geology is right isn't Wisconsin next to where they found the 1900 million year old algae fossil ?

      June 21, 2013 at 3:05 pm |
  2. Observer

    Why is God so concerned about watching what 2 consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedroom when tragedies are going on constantly? It's just a matter of priorities.

    June 21, 2013 at 9:41 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      God hates children.

      June 21, 2013 at 9:46 am |
    • lol??

      Ask Him.

      The hayseeds on the hay wagons in the celebratin' Beastie parades has gotten tedious anyone could admit. Too much like the Big O stuck in the campaign mode his whole life. It can't feel THAT gud.

      June 21, 2013 at 10:30 am |
    • the real Tom

      lolly the limp one says "Ask Him."

      Does HE talk like you? If so, I'd rather hear fingernails on a blackboard. You sound like a hayseed yourself.

      June 21, 2013 at 10:34 am |
  3. Tesserarius

    "How much time he saves who does not look to see what his neighbor says or does or thinks."

    June 21, 2013 at 9:29 am |
  4. Løki

    Canada must have truly angered Thor. Beg forgiveness mortals! Put aside your foolish christian god and Odin will temper his son's wrath... You live in the land of ice and snow... you are Odin's children... you have simply lost your way...

    June 21, 2013 at 9:17 am |
    • lol??

      They do have a thang for queens.

      June 21, 2013 at 9:20 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      lollygag: You don't live here, so we must not have a thing for queen's. The flooding ravishing Alberta is nothing more than nature and horrible as it may be, we have terrific men and women who will respond and not shove some biblical crap down their throats or blame it on anything more than what it is.

      June 21, 2013 at 9:37 am |
    • Løki

      Hel is a cold place... cast off your christ! The Valkyries will not come for you christians! Valhalla will forever be out of your reach... The All-Father knows all and sees all... Huginn and Muninn watch and see and tell all to him! You cannot escape Ragnorok...

      June 21, 2013 at 9:48 am |
  5. Tony

    Next, an apology for 'Reduce fear' and a shut down as popular vote demands there should be no 'prayer'

    June 21, 2013 at 8:05 am |
    • Parable

      Some seeds fell on tho.rny grounds, some by the wayside, some on rocky grounds and others on good ground.

      Not difficult to guess which seeds will bear good fruit.

      June 21, 2013 at 8:25 am |
    • the real Tom

      So you think all gay people are bad?

      June 21, 2013 at 8:28 am |
    • borne that way

      Gays are born that way! What about people who have an attraction to both s e x e s? Are they born this way?

      June 21, 2013 at 8:31 am |
    • the real Tom

      I didn't say gays are "born that way." Nobody is absolutely certain as to why some people are attracted to others of the same gender. I said it wasn't a choice. And yes, some people are attracted to both genders. So what?

      You know, all of you nuts seem to think that the matter of choice is crucial. Why? What if it were a choice? So what? What makes you think that choice doesn't deserve the same regard as your choice to be an ass?

      June 21, 2013 at 8:35 am |
    • HotAirAce

      700,000+ believers per year in the USA choose to have an abortion, in clear violation of their cult's rules, but the Babble Humpers really get their panties in a knot about gays. . .

      June 21, 2013 at 8:43 am |
    • borne that way

      People are born with different kinds of attraction. Studies have revealed that man is not born monogamous. Man is polygamous by nature. Not sure why people think polygamy is a choice.

      June 21, 2013 at 8:45 am |
    • Truth

      hey borne... People are not monogamous, that is why affairs are common, divorce is ok, mating around is common. Live with it!

      June 21, 2013 at 8:48 am |
    • the real Tom

      As long as those involved in a polygamous union are all of age to consent, what is the harm? Why do you care what other people do if they're not bothering you?

      I suspect you bother more people than any gay or polyamorous people do.

      June 21, 2013 at 8:53 am |
    • Truth

      I agree that there nothing is wrong with polygamous unions. Let's recognize such unions as valid, deserving equal rights as any other.

      June 21, 2013 at 8:59 am |
    • the real Tom

      Nitwit fred posted a windy epistle on the gay bishop thread about how marriage will eventually include marrying oneself if we accept gay marriage.

      What I'd like to know from nitwit fred is this: even IF your silly scenario were to suddenly come to pass in reality, what would happen? Would your world as you know it suddenly end? Would your marriage be dismantled? What terrible fate would await the world if people in polyamorous relationships could marry? Why would you be so upset about it?

      June 21, 2013 at 10:33 am |
    • Science

      the real Tom

      To simple for fred ..........it has to be se-x and bedVrOOOOOOOM

      June 21, 2013 at 10:39 am |
    • Candiano

      Polygamous marriages would be okay, I guess, if the wives could take as many husbands as they want.
      I think for legal reasons regarding interitance and SS, it will never come to pass. And don't even start with the slippery slope BS about marrying children or marrying animals. Neither can give informed consent.

      June 21, 2013 at 11:47 am |
    • the real Tom

      Of course, polygamy is unlikely to become legal. That's why freddy's posts are so laughable. He's all het up over gay marriage because he thinks it's the tip of some iceberg. The vast majority of people are straight. They don't have any interest in marrying multiple partners, or someone of the same gender. I wonder how fred gets through the day with his hysteria. Does he get this exercised about the stock market, or the price of cabbage?

      Must be a horrendous existence.

      June 21, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
  6. lastofall

    So it is just another organization which has turned itself over to this world's praise of man rather than God.

    June 21, 2013 at 3:54 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      At least man can be depended on to exist.

      June 21, 2013 at 4:20 am |
    • Rick

      or, they see their stance for the bigotry that it is

      June 21, 2013 at 6:56 am |
    • tallulah13

      It's just another group that realized that it is immoral and wrong to harm people for no honest reason. Since your god is at the heart of this immorality, perhaps it would behoove you to reconsider just what you worship and why.

      June 21, 2013 at 9:37 am |
  7. faith

    myweightinwords
    Define "sin". If it can only be defined based on your book of faith, then it does not apply to anyone who does not ascribe authority to that book of faith.

    physics applies to hawking and you

    I am no sinner. I live a wonderful life, with amazing blessings that come from hard work and good living. the rich man begged god for some drops of cold water in his place of tomrment

    June 21, 2013 at 2:57 am |
    • Science

      Hey faithy

      There is no sin you know that..............How old are they faithy..............I have a pocket full...........fun to take out when the

      bible thumpers come to the door.

      Hey fake science poster chew on native iron stones all your life...............it drives the medical tests nuts !

      19. Solar nebula (repeat)
      Most meteorites are very old, as old as the solar system (4.6 billion years). Because meteorites haven't changed much since then, they are the best clues we have to the origin and history of the solar system and of the Earth. (Painting by Don Dixon, NASA JSC photo S76-25001)

      http://ares.jsc.nasa.gov/education/SlideSets/ExpMetMys/Slides35-42.htm

      June 21, 2013 at 6:45 am |
    • the real Tom

      "physics applies to hawking and you"

      The only thing you know about physics is how to spell the word, faith.

      June 21, 2013 at 8:07 am |
    • myweightinwords

      "Physics" and "Sin" have nothing in common.

      One is a discipline of science, one is an emotion-laden word designed to produce guilt and fear. One is defined by facts and provable science, the other is defined by rules written thousands of years ago in a culture that is foreign to our own.

      What rich man are you on about? And why is that your response to my statement about the blessings in my life? I am not rich, not by any stretch.

      I am not afraid of your god, faith.

      June 21, 2013 at 9:01 am |
    • Science

      And faithy....................Remember Adam and his BONE ?

      Bone Tumor in 120,000-Year-Old Neandertal Discovered

      June 7, 2013 — The first-known definitive case of a benign bone tumor has been discovered in the rib of a young Neandertal who lived about 120,000 years ago in what is now present-day Croatia. The bone

      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130605190144.htm

      June 21, 2013 at 9:09 am |
  8. faith

    if it were not true, nazi god-hating fascists wouldn't be on their mission

    they'd have jobs and responsibilities–lives

    the new testament claims in no uncertain terms that jesus christ is the son of god. him, his divinity, his person, is why the books and letters were written describing him, his life and mission, his work, his words, the miracles, the love, his stand against hypocrisy. no one has found evidence proving it is inaccurate in 2,000 years. not bad, huh?

    controversies have come and gone. theories challenging every conceivable idea to prove it is nonsense have failed. his redeeming power is as alive and pertinent this moment as ever. in fact, to anyone who wants to know him right now, he is more than capable of revealing himself to your hungry heart.

    June 21, 2013 at 1:48 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Bullshit. . .

      June 21, 2013 at 2:31 am |
    • Rodents for Romney

      Nope. Saul of Tarsus cooked up Paulianity, (your real religion) to gain cult members. The "divinity" is different in each gospel. "Divinity" for a Jew was in no way equal to Yahweh.
      What did the Witch of Endor say when Saul asked her what she saw, when she conjured the "shade" of Samuel ? A "divine" being. Try taking a Bible class and learn something about your cult.
      Just because something's written in an ancient scroll, that got non-unanimously VOTED by humans into a set of books, does not mean it's true.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:59 am |
    • Roger that

      'no one has found evidence proving it is inaccurate in 2,000 years. not bad, huh?'

      Hinduism hasn't been proven wrong and it's been around longer than Christianity. I would convert if I were you or you may come back as a rat in your next life.

      June 21, 2013 at 3:13 am |
    • the real Tom

      How will anyone be able to tell the difference?

      June 21, 2013 at 7:12 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      "the new testament claims in no uncertain terms that jesus christ is the son of god"

      And JK Rowling claims Harry Potter can fly a broom. Others claim that Santa has 8 tiny reindeer to pull his sleigh. While others claim the Easter Bunny delivers candy to children.
      They're all as believable as your imaginary friend is.

      June 21, 2013 at 7:52 am |
    • Psst...

      "if it were not true, nazi god-hating fascists wouldn’t be on their mission"

      Nazis were Christian, faith. You keep slamming your own faith, faith.

      June 21, 2013 at 11:58 am |
  9. faith

    EnjaySea
    I have direct evidence that the writers of the New Testament were exaggerating, fictionalizing, and lying

    lol

    June 21, 2013 at 1:38 am |
    • rc

      No, you do not.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:19 am |
    • EnjaySea

      The authors of the New Testament claimed that Jesus was a superhero who could perform miracles. When I see proof that these miraculous events are physically possible in our universe, then I'll reconsider. In the absense of that proof, I'll continue to accept that the men who wrote these stories about Jesus were lying.

      June 21, 2013 at 11:42 am |
    • EnjaySea

      I forgot to include the other possiblity. It could have been that the writers of the New Testament were telling the truth, but that Jesus was lying to them, and all these supposed "miracles" were just cheap parlor tricks.

      After all, I've seen magicians doing similar things. I'm not impressed that Jesus walked on water (seen it), had a near death experience (happens every day), healed the sick (frauds do that every Sunday on TV), changed water into wine (seen it), and pulled an endless string of fish out of a basket (seen it).

      June 21, 2013 at 1:41 pm |
  10. HeavenSent

    Jesus is the only cure. I think he can even cure my camel toe problem. He hasn't yet but I keep hoping and praying and changing pants.

    Amen.

    June 21, 2013 at 12:48 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Jesus is the only cure.

      But did Jesus ever state that being Gay and Lesbian was a disease?

      June 21, 2013 at 12:49 am |
    • Dippy

      Mark: Why do you capitalize gay and lesbian? It really makes you look uneducated. Are you?

      June 21, 2013 at 12:52 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      It really makes you look uneducated. Are you?

      There have been Atheist and even hard core Christians that just because they disagree with me declare that I am uneducated. I choose to capitalize Gay and Lesbians the same as I would say Democrats or Republicans. Christian or Atheist. Chances are the views are enough for one side or the other to pick anything.

      I have friends who are Gay and Lesbian, so I have no problem with capitalizing it.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:03 am |
    • Dippy

      You capitalize proper nouns, not common nouns. Those are the simple rules of grammar. Most of us learned those rules in about the fifth grade. If you flaunt those rules, you look uneducated. If you want to appear to be uneducated, be my guest.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:10 am |
    • Mark's Elementary School Teacher

      Dippy,

      In all fairness, GLBT capitalizes it, so maybe that's where Mark gets it.

      There is NO excuse for not pluralizing 'atheists' correctly, though, and I've retaught him this quite a few times.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:10 am |
    • Mark's Elementary School Teacher

      Dippy,
      "flaunt those rules"

      Flout, not flaunt.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:11 am |
    • Dippy

      Well, he doesn't appear to be a quick learner.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:11 am |
    • Dippy

      And flaunt is correct.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:13 am |
    • Dippy

      Sorry, teacher. Flout is correct. I blew it.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:15 am |
    • Mark's Elementary School Teacher

      Dippy,

      Some sources have flout and flaunt as synonyms, but the usual primary definition of flout is to disregard, and flaunt is to show off.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:19 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Do not worry Dippy, I hear you but with all of the grammar mistakes and plain negative tearing down of folks here, I do not think folks will care if I capitalize Gay and Lesbian or Transgendered or Bi-se'xual.

      Only one who would lose any sleep on me choosing to capitalize Gays and Lesbians appears to be you. I do not think they would care one way or the other. 🙂

      June 21, 2013 at 1:21 am |
    • Dippy

      Correct you are.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:22 am |
    • Dippy

      Above reply is for your teacher, Mark. Not for you.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:24 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Phony heavensent, stealing my handle to change the subject doesn't negate Jesus truth. It only makes you more prideful than you should handle.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:26 am |
    • HeavenScent

      I have friends that are Cats and Dogs. I capitalize them.

      June 21, 2013 at 3:02 am |
    • the real Tom

      You're correct about the Piddler. He can't seem to figure out how to use capitals or how to pluralize nouns. It does make him look either stupid or uneducated, and this has been pointed out to him by many posters. Maybe one day, he'll catch on. Maybe it will happen when he doesn't get hired for a job or receive a promotion. Maybe he'll be "released" from a job for his ignorance. One can only hope.

      June 21, 2013 at 7:16 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      "Jesus is the only cure."

      Your imaginary friend is not a cure you old hag. If anything it is a disease for the gullible minds.

      June 21, 2013 at 7:54 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Fake HeavenStink must be rolling. . .

      June 21, 2013 at 8:03 am |
    • the real Tom

      The real HS is rolling, too. What else can she do? Waddle?

      It cracks me up that the Piddler tries so hard to excuse his ignorance about writing by pretending that he cares to write well when it matters and doesn't bother when it's just a blog. What a huge pile.

      June 21, 2013 at 8:38 am |
  11. the real Tom

    How is it that the board and the president of Exodus get it and yet HS and fred don't?

    June 21, 2013 at 12:26 am |
    • HeavenSent

      They're false now as they focus on the world and not Jesus. Nothing new under the sun.

      June 21, 2013 at 12:37 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      They're false now as they focus on the world and not Jesus

      ...and...my fellow Christian.... Jesus mentioned Gays and Lesbians in what Scripture and verse?

      June 21, 2013 at 12:46 am |
    • Candiano

      Because those two are still under the mistaken impression that people choose their gender preference instead of being born with it. Maybe they'll grow up one day. I don't hold out that hope, though.

      June 21, 2013 at 12:52 am |
    • Dippy

      Mark, you need to review the rules of capitalization.

      June 21, 2013 at 12:54 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      No Dippy. Same as when someone says F-off on a Blog like this... are we going to correct them in proper etiquette?

      Take a deep breath.... if folks are able to handle people calling each other idiots and every other insult then Dippy, you can handle the capitalization of Gay and Lesbians. 🙂

      June 21, 2013 at 1:07 am |
    • Dippy

      Well, shiT, MarK, LeT's juSt caPitaLize leTters at RandOm, tHen. fucK thoSe sTupiD ruleS.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:20 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      If this were the middle of the semester and I had one of the many papers to turn in, I would take in to account my grammar but, on a internet blog, I do not believe anyone should be so tight rectum. For here, I do it out of respect. If it causes you discomfort then....

      .....I recommend the movie "V for Vendetta" and learn to F-all the rules every once and awhile 🙂

      June 21, 2013 at 1:27 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Mark from Middle River, I'm not starting all over what every Christian has written on this site for years. Therefore, ketchup. You've got work to do.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:28 am |
    • Dippy

      "Once and awhile"? How about "once in a while" next time? What is your major in school, if I may ask?

      June 21, 2013 at 1:36 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      History. Age of Antebellum to World War 2.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:55 am |
    • Dippy

      A good major. So you actually specialize in that period? Interesting. What does one do with such a degree?

      June 21, 2013 at 2:00 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Hopefully more than watching the Civil War movie Glory on BBC twice, such as I did tonight while cleaning. 🙂

      Watching Blackadder right now.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:07 am |
    • Dippy

      Bon nuit.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:11 am |
    • tallulah13

      I suspect that the anonymity of the internet protects those who prefer to cling to their bigotry. Those who run "Exodus" are far too public to escape the scrutiny and scorn of those who can see how very immoral and useless their actions are.

      June 21, 2013 at 9:46 am |
  12. faith

    plenty of ministry's come and go. thank god for the ones that honored him and for what they achieved. pete and those guys never envisioned electronic communication that could send the gospel around the world in less than a second

    June 21, 2013 at 12:24 am |
    • HeavenScent

      Too bad your stupid god didn't wake up and provide Jebus and the apostles some iphones, and get the job done quicker.
      What took so long ?

      June 21, 2013 at 3:04 am |
  13. faith

    truth is truth

    June 21, 2013 at 12:17 am |
    • faith

      he loves the h o m o s e ua l as much as he loves a 5 year old girl. he loves all of us, enough to shed his blo o d to a one for our sin. he isn't surprised. before time began, he always existed to buy our way to god. the perfect sacrifice

      all proclaimed in the books and letters termed the new testament

      June 21, 2013 at 12:20 am |
    • faith

      millions of recovering alcoholics don't blame their genes for their drinking. they have surrendered their powerlessness over their alcoholism to god and have been released from the terror of its bondage

      June 21, 2013 at 12:38 am |
    • Candiano

      You do understand that predisposition to alcholholism and gender preference are completely and totally different, don't you? You sound as uneducated as a person on another blog that claimed that being gay is the same as having ADHD or bipolar disorder: a chemical imbalance in the brain. Good Lord, how stupid!

      June 21, 2013 at 12:57 am |
    • faith

      Candiano
      You do understand that predisposition to alcholholism and gender preference are completely and totally different, don't you?

      evidence

      June 21, 2013 at 2:01 am |
    • Just the facts mam

      @Faith

      He loved us so much that he created hell... in case we didn't love him back.

      June 21, 2013 at 9:18 am |
    • the real Tom

      faith, where's your evidence that they haven anything in common?

      Are you really as stupid as you appear?

      June 21, 2013 at 9:42 am |
    • tallulah13

      Evidence is required when you say something is "true". There is not a shred of evidence that any god exists, therefore when you speak of a god, the only term that applies is "opinion".

      June 21, 2013 at 9:50 am |
  14. faith

    there is an alcoholic gene

    June 21, 2013 at 12:09 am |
    • the real Tom

      And? So?

      Are you really comparing the effect of alcoholism with an attraction to people of the same gender?

      June 21, 2013 at 12:11 am |
    • HeavenSent

      More excuses for not taking responsibility for one's life. Nothing new under the sun for selfish people wanting others to handle responsibility, while they enjoy the drug of their choice.

      June 21, 2013 at 12:21 am |
    • the real Tom

      Were you married at one time, HS? Did you have kids?

      June 21, 2013 at 12:22 am |
    • Candiano

      Are you that simple that you are honestly comparing being gay to drugs, HeavenSent? How dumb are you?

      June 21, 2013 at 12:26 am |
    • the real Tom

      I wonder why HS considers being gay "selfish." Is being straight "selfish?"

      June 21, 2013 at 12:28 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, selfish is the sin of greed no matter who commits it.

      4124 // pleonexia // pleonexia // pleh-on-ex-ee'-ah //

      from 4123 ; TDNT – 6:266,864; n f

      AV – covetousness 8, greediness 1, covetous practice 1; 10

      1) greedy desire to have more, covetousness, avarice

      June 21, 2013 at 12:43 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Romans 7:7

      7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. KJV

      Exodus 20:17

      Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. KJV

      Amen.

      June 21, 2013 at 12:46 am |
    • the real Tom

      What's 'greedy' about being gay? Why isn't being straight 'greedy?'

      Again, HS, suppose you were told that being straight was sinful and you were urged to be gay. Could you change your orientation? Or have you forgotten that you HAD one?

      June 21, 2013 at 12:46 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, gays violate by coveting another, as well as denying how God created them.

      June 21, 2013 at 12:50 am |
    • HeavenSent

      I shouldn't just type gay without including all the other excuses of acronyms.

      June 21, 2013 at 12:52 am |
    • Candiano

      Gays don't "covet" each other any more than heteros "covet" each other. Idiot.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:04 am |
    • Candiano

      Gays are born that way. If you posit that God made man, God also made gay men. Thay aren't denying anything; you are. It isn't a choice; being gay is as natural to them as being straight is to you. Grow up and get a clue, HeavenSent.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:09 am |
    • faith

      the real Tom
      And? So?
      Are you really comparing the effect of alcoholism with an attraction to people of the same gender?

      seriously?

      June 21, 2013 at 2:02 am |
    • faith

      Candiano
      Gays are born that way. If you posit that God made man, God also made gay men.

      proof?

      sin

      June 21, 2013 at 2:04 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Candiano, what I really wrote to you is blocked (3 times). No matter how many excuses man makes for the reason they sin. It's what God says is sin, not what man denies is sin.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:06 am |
    • the real Tom

      HS is still unable to learn how to circumvent the filter. What a doofus.

      June 21, 2013 at 7:20 am |
    • tallulah13

      It's very difficult to take HS seriously now that I know that she wants to be a kangaroo.

      June 21, 2013 at 9:51 am |
    • the real Tom

      Picturing her as a kangaroo is somehow not too difficult to do.

      June 21, 2013 at 10:00 am |
  15. the real Tom

    HS can't be for real. Nobody could really be that ignorant or that crazy and not be institutionalized. I really do think it's just a troll or a Poe and not someone who honestly believes the nonsense she burps up day in and day out.

    June 20, 2013 at 11:27 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      HS can't be for real. Nobody could really be that ignorant or that crazy and not be insti'tutionalized

      Must be like looking in a mirror for you. 🙂

      June 20, 2013 at 11:31 pm |
    • the real Tom

      Why don't you post as Uncouth Swain, honey?

      June 20, 2013 at 11:38 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Sorry, I only post as Mark from Middle River. But, you would know about posting under different names. What were you last year.. TomTom the Pipers Son?

      No, ma'am there are just folks who just disagree with you and HeavenSent at the same time. Both of your are really nuts.

      June 20, 2013 at 11:41 pm |
    • the real Tom

      You have a great deal of difficulty with that temper of yours, Piddles. Why don't you ask god to help you with that?

      June 20, 2013 at 11:44 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      You have a great deal of difficulty with that temper of yours, Piddles. Why don't you ask god to help you with that?

      You are in the middle of a running flame war with HeavenSent ... and it is me who needs help. I think you and HeavenSent should both share the cab fare to the Doctor Phil show or to the nearest hotel room.

      June 20, 2013 at 11:50 pm |
    • Candiano

      Tom isn't crazy. HS is. And using emoticons is childish. Don't want that now, do you?

      June 20, 2013 at 11:51 pm |
    • the real Tom

      I doubt you've read the posts. You are here because you dislike me and my posts bother you. Oh, well. That's life on the web, dearie.

      June 20, 2013 at 11:52 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      You are here because you dislike me and my posts bother you. Oh, well. That's life on the web, dearie.

      Naah. In some ways I like your spirit but you can't debate/blog worth crap. If hurling insults was a way to win a conflict then you would look like Bill Clinton and Cheney all rolled up into one. Right now you are just ... thuggish in your attempts.

      June 21, 2013 at 12:00 am |
    • the real Tom

      Not very convincing, Piddles. You're just butt-hurt because you had your ass handed to you so many times and it still bothers you. Like I said, that's life on the web. If you can't take it, maybe you should go elsewhere.

      June 21, 2013 at 12:01 am |
    • Candiano

      Debate? Debate what? That the use of emoticons is childish? It is. Unless you're a child.
      Are you?

      June 21, 2013 at 12:08 am |
    • the real Tom

      Well, he does always promise to put on his old Boy Scout uniform, Can, and help me across the street.

      June 21, 2013 at 12:09 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      Well, he does always promise to put on his old Boy Scout uniform, Can, and help me across the street.

      Always ma'am always. 🙂

      June 21, 2013 at 12:11 am |
    • the real Tom

      So Can nailed it.

      June 21, 2013 at 12:12 am |
    • .

      And here I thought the Boy Scouts didn't allow gay leaders.

      June 21, 2013 at 12:40 am |
    • the real Tom

      Now, THERE'S a statement that deserves an emoticon. Or maybe a "Bazinga."

      June 21, 2013 at 12:48 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Candiano, liars backing up liars. Oh my, nothing new under the sun.

      June 21, 2013 at 12:54 am |
    • Candiano

      What have I lied about, HeavenSent? Be specific. Quote me.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:12 am |
    • Ex-Christian

      I find it mind boggling how HeavenSent can be so stupid, ignorant and bigoted. Then again, when you're a Christian that isn't very hard now is it, HS?

      June 21, 2013 at 1:34 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Candiano, you posted "Gays are born that way. If you posit that God made man, God also made gay men. Thay aren't denying anything; you are. It isn't a choice; being gay is as natural to them as being straight is to you. Grow up and get a clue, HeavenSent."

      Answer: My calling you a liar should have gone to the posts above. Either way, God did not man gay. Man (including all the other acronyms) choose to be gay. The mind is incredibly powerful when sin is involved..

      June 21, 2013 at 2:14 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Correction: should be God did not make man gay ... etc.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:16 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      HS: The liar here would be you as always. Candiano is not wrong. You're simply crazy if you think your 2000 year old book of fairy tales holds more evidence than the scientific research done on this subject, research that is within this decade. Gay is as natural as you being hetero is.

      June 21, 2013 at 5:25 am |
    • the real Tom

      "Man (including all the other acronyms) choose to be gay."

      What "acronyms"? I don't think you even know what acronyms are, HS. Furthermore, you have absolutely nothing in the way of evidence that being gay is a choice. Why would anyone choose to be attracted to someone of the same gender? What would be the motivation? Can you choose to be attracted to someone of the same gender?

      June 21, 2013 at 8:22 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      "What were you last year.. TomTom the Pipers Son? "

      Unlike many others who change their aliases by the hour, she actually was forth coming with the alias change.
      You're either Uncouth Swain or you've been off for an extended visit to the asylum...which is it Mark??

      June 21, 2013 at 9:53 am |
    • tallulah13

      I have often wondered if HS was a troll. I can't believe a real person would be so hateful and ignorant. I hope she is fake, because a life lived like that must be hell.

      June 21, 2013 at 9:56 am |
    • the real Tom

      Yes, TP, I explained that to the Piddler before. He just lies about it because he can't manage to make an argument worth the bandwidth. He posted as Uncouth Swain and admitted as much; funny that he such a poor memory. Must make it very difficult to get that degree, I guess, as it's taking him a very long time.

      June 21, 2013 at 9:59 am |
  16. PRISM 1234

    Built on the Rock the church does stand, even when steeples are falling;
    Crumbled have spires in every land, Bells still are chiming and calling;
    Calling the young and old to rest, calling the souls in sin distressed,
    Longing for rest everlasting.

    Not in the temples made with hands, God, the Most High, is dwelling
    High above earth His temple stands, all earthly temples excelling;
    Yet He who dwells in Heavens above chose to abide with us in love
    Making our bodies His temples.

    We are God’s house of living stones, builded for His habitation;
    He makes our hearts His mumble thrones giving us life and salvation;
    Where two or three should seek His face, He comes and dwells with them in grace
    Blessings upon them bestowing.

    Built on the Rock the Church shall stand, though earthly temples be closing.
    Silenced are voices of evil men, but God's Voice still is calling...
    Calling the young and old to rest, calling the mankind's souls to rest, calling to life everlasting.

    And this is the way it was, is and forever will be.... even if the highest mountains crumble and all tat is in the Universe turns to dust and time is no more.... Yet, God and His purposes will stand and endure.

    Blessed are those who do not turn deaf ear to His calling..... blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God's face.
    .
    But the wicked will perish and their remembrance will be no more. Only that place of the damned called Hell will know them. Oh, what a waste of God's gift of life!
    Yet, fools will never understand!

    June 20, 2013 at 11:27 pm |
    • the real Tom

      his "mumble thrones"?

      I mean, yeah, it's a typo, but it makes me laugh.

      You're a piece of work, Prissy. I seem to recall you were quite enamored of a piece of music by Samuel Barber. You even posted a video. Did you realize that he was gay? How does that square with your assertion that he composed that piece because he was Christian?

      When you found out he was gay, did you suddenly change your mind about him and his music, or did it occur to you that being gay and Christian is entirely possible?

      June 20, 2013 at 11:31 pm |
    • Fortune holds more for the bold

      Geez Tom how many times do you need to impress us that you Ben know who Samuel Barber was?
      And I am sure he would rather be known for his music than for your pathetic point about his affidavit on, get a new story...

      June 20, 2013 at 11:47 pm |
    • the real Tom

      Of course he would. The point is that Prissy is a hypocrite who believes that only straight people can be christian and that only christians would write such great religious music. Prissy only enjoyed Barber's music because she/he didn't realize that he was gay. If he/she had known that, he/she would never have admitted admiring his musical gift.

      June 20, 2013 at 11:55 pm |
    • the real Tom

      Gee, I guess Fortune was just doing a drive-by posting. What, no response? Candy-ass.

      June 21, 2013 at 7:22 am |
    • HUH!

      If anyone is an a$$, it's you, Tom

      June 21, 2013 at 10:37 am |
    • the real Tom

      Nah, that label fits folks like you who are too embarrassed to post under one name. If I were posting the same kind of pus you write, I'd be embarrassed enough to use a different moniker every time, too.

      Have a nice day.

      June 21, 2013 at 10:42 am |
    • HUH!

      Then why do you take up the name "Tom" instead of "Thomasina?

      June 21, 2013 at 10:46 am |
    • the real Tom

      I've never used the name "Thomasina". Do you have a point?

      June 21, 2013 at 10:48 am |
    • the real Tom

      Guess not. I'll watch for you to resurface like the good troll you are. Do you always call others asses and then tell them what a great christian you are? Or was that just special for me? I'm touched by your thoughtfulness, dear.

      June 21, 2013 at 11:27 am |
  17. Observer

    HeavenSent,

    Just another of MANY questions you are STUMPED on. Can't you answer this?

    How much "freewill" did all the children, babies and fetuses have that were drowned by God in the Flood?.

    STUMPED AGAIN.

    June 20, 2013 at 11:21 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, I'm not stumped, you are. Life is the illusion. A test from God. Eternity is His truth. Are you going to continue believing carnally so that this life is all you get? Choose wisely with that freewill He gave us.

      June 20, 2013 at 11:46 pm |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      Of course you are TOTALLY STUMPED. IF you weren't, you could answer this simple question:

      How much "freewill" did all the children, babies and fetuses have that were drowned by God in the Flood?.

      June 20, 2013 at 11:51 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, I gave you the answer. Look up.

      June 21, 2013 at 12:23 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      TOTALLY STUMPED AGAIN! Nothing new.

      I asked about CHILDREN, BABIES and FETUSES and you could not come up with ONE WORD about them.

      OOOOOOOOPPPPPSS!

      June 21, 2013 at 12:41 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, those CHILDREN, BABIES and FETUSES are back with the Lord. You're upset because you believe this world is real and that's all we get instead of it being an illusion from God to see who is going to love and follow His truth for which eternity is His truth.

      June 21, 2013 at 12:58 am |
    • Science

      And HS you are ____________..............By the way Plan B is now available OTC.

      June 21, 2013 at 7:26 am |
    • lol??

      God is perfectly just, stumpy observer and that's YOUR PROBLEM. He ain't gonna change., no matter how many hopey changey Hindus you elect.

      "Mal 3:6 For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed."

      June 21, 2013 at 8:17 am |
    • the real Tom

      Lolly, you look like a complete moron when you post sh!t like this. Of course, you ARE a complete moron, so.

      June 21, 2013 at 8:19 am |
  18. faith

    since it is all true, jesus will become more adored for the wonderful god-man-savior he is. when his enemies murdered him, they were thrilled. the ordeal was over, finally! we got rid of that sucker! what have 2,000 years proved?

    June 20, 2013 at 11:11 pm |
    • Candiano

      You make little to no sense, honey. Perhaps an education will be beneficial to you.

      June 20, 2013 at 11:25 pm |
  19. faith

    crossministry.org should be helpful

    June 20, 2013 at 11:07 pm |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Those websites are created to keep the gullibility of people like you alive. There is nothing positive about them. Check out infidels.org for truth about your buybull.

      June 21, 2013 at 5:34 am |
  20. Anon

    So there is some hope that Christianity aka Insanity will erode in my life time.
    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYRs-g1zNNc&w=640&h=360]

    June 20, 2013 at 11:05 pm |
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