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June 20th, 2013
10:22 AM ET

Exodus apologizes to gay community, shuts down 'cure' ministry

(CNN) - After 37 years, Exodus International, an organization whose mission was to "help" gay Christians become straight, is shutting down. But not before issuing an apology.

"We're not negating the ways God used Exodus to positively affect thousands of people, but a new generation of Christians is looking for change - and they want to be heard," Tony Moore, an Exodus board member, said Wednesday.

The announcement comes less than a day after Exodus issued a wide-ranging apology to the gay community for "years of undue judgment by the organization and the Christian Church as a whole," a statement from the group says.

"Exodus is an institution in the conservative Christian world, but we've ceased to be a living, breathing organism," said Alan Chambers, the president of Exodus. "For quite some time, we've been imprisoned in a worldview that's neither honoring toward our fellow human beings, nor biblical."

Chambers, who has a wife and children and previously identified as gay, has acknowledged that he has "ongoing same-sex attractions."

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Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Culture wars • Gay rights • Homosexuality

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  1. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    June 22, 2013 at 6:19 am |
    • Science

      Hey dot/fred how is it hanging today.............see you are back .............full of BS

      June 22, 2013 at 6:34 am |
    • EnjaySea

      Throwing dice changes things.

      June 24, 2013 at 2:06 pm |
  2. faith

    One of his disciples, whom Jesus loved, was at the table, leaning against Jesus' breast.
    – World English Bible

    they say we see, but they cannot see
    they hear, but cannot hear

    i love jesus
    he is 2 cool

    pretend blind boy is christian
    jesus, he's the same
    the pharisees, they r our sinless accusers

    So they again called the man who was blind, and said to him, "Give God the glory! We know that this Man is a sinner." He answered and said, "Whether He is a sinner or not I do not know. One thing I know: that though I was blind, now I see." Then they said to him again, "What did He do to you? How did He open your eyes?" He answered them, "I told you already, and you did not listen. Why do you want to hear it again? Do you also want to become His disciples?" Then they reviled him and said, "You are His disciple, but we are Moses’ disciples. "We know that God spoke to Moses; as for this fellow, we do not know where He is from." The man answered and said to them, "Why, this is a marvelous thing, that you do not know where He is from; yet He has opened my eyes! Now we know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, He hears him. Since the world began it has been unheard of that anyone opened the eyes of one who was born blind. If this Man were not from God, He could do nothing." They answered and said to him, "You were completely born in sins, and are you teaching us?" And they cast him out.

    June 22, 2013 at 4:03 am |

    • Good evening, faith. It's a shame that healing of that sort is over and done with. At least apparently so. Why do you suppose Jesus never healed an amputee?

      June 22, 2013 at 4:11 am |
    • faith

      why?

      June 22, 2013 at 8:37 am |
    • EnjaySea

      Jesus never healed an amputee because the parlor trick that he used to do his supposed "healing", is a widely known scam, practiced to the present day. His healing is a fraud, and makes no changes whatsoever to his subjects bodily tissues.

      June 24, 2013 at 2:10 pm |
  3. Observer

    HeavenSent

    Do you take PRIDE in being a Christjan? Yes or no?

    Just one word: "yes" or "no".

    June 22, 2013 at 1:16 am |
    • Observer

      Apparently HeavenSent is STUMPED once again. You'd think she'd take pride in being a Christian, but it doesn't appear to be the case.

      June 22, 2013 at 1:35 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, I already responded to your question.

      June 22, 2013 at 1:49 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent

      "Observer, I already responded to your question"

      Of course you DIDN'T. That response was 7 words and NONE were "yes" or "no".

      Do you take PRIDE in being a Christian? YES or NO. Just a simple one-word response is all that the question calls for. So is it "yes" or "no". No other words are required. Do you have the mental capacity to understand this simple question in English?

      June 22, 2013 at 1:56 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      For the record, when asked if you take pride in being a Christian, you have REFUSED to say the word "yes".

      You must be so PROUD of that. Get some sleep. Maybe tomorrow you won't be so STUMPED on so many questions. Good luck.

      June 22, 2013 at 2:06 am |
    • HeavenSent

      I copied and pasted my original answer just for you.

      HeavenSent

      Observer, you posted "HeavenSent, Do you take PRIDE in being a Christjan?

      Answer: I humbly love the Lord Jesus Christ.
      June 22, 2013 at 1:12 am | Report abuse |

      June 22, 2013 at 2:27 am |
    • Vic

      Yes

      June 22, 2013 at 4:42 am |
  4. Observer

    HeavenSent,

    You are on here picking on gays frequently.

    How many Christians have you personally called ADULTERERS for divorcing and remarrying? There are FAR FAR MORE Christians who are adulterers than the total number of gays. What is your answer? Anything other than PURE HYPOCRISY?

    June 22, 2013 at 1:01 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, twist and contort and spin it backwards with the best that you have. There is no crime in speaking truth to those that spend their life in denial. That's why Christians tell you to stop listening to satan, for he is a liar.

      2 Timothy 2:15  

      Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

      Amen.

      June 22, 2013 at 1:47 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      STUMPED again! You haven't answered one question. Pathetic. How embarrassing for your mental abilities.

      Here's the HYPOCRISY test question. One more chance?

      How many Christians have you personally called ADULTERERS for divorcing and remarrying? There are FAR FAR MORE Christians who are adulterers than the total number of gays. What is your answer? Anything other than PURE HYPOCRISY?

      Still STUMPED on the PRIDE question too? Wow!

      June 22, 2013 at 1:51 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, my answer remains the same. The sin of PRIDE blinds people.

      June 22, 2013 at 2:47 am |
    • midwest rail

      Observer – what H.S. really takes pride in is trolling. It is simply not possible for anyone to be as evasive and willfully ignorant as s/he is. Gotta be a poe.

      June 22, 2013 at 5:12 am |
  5. Bootyfunk

    after 37 years of tormenting g.ays, we're going to close our doors. our proud legacy of mentally torturing h.omos.exuals is at an end - but don't think it's the end of our ignorance. no, we still have plenty of that.

    June 21, 2013 at 11:32 pm |
  6. Colin

    There is no cure for stupid.

    June 21, 2013 at 10:21 pm |
  7. faith

    whoo hoo ! gayness cured a bigot

    June 21, 2013 at 10:12 pm |
  8. GOOD NEWS

    Never give up, never give in;

    you Can get over it,

    and GOD will absolutely help.

    http://www.holy-19-harvest.com
    UNIVERSAL MAGNIFICENT MIRACLES

    June 21, 2013 at 7:58 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      Get over what?

      June 21, 2013 at 8:05 pm |
    • faith

      you Can get over it, bigotry that is. God will absolutely help you.

      June 21, 2013 at 10:13 pm |
    • Chessie

      You are the racist bigot, faith. You are always calling people "sambo".

      June 21, 2013 at 11:39 pm |
  9. Ken Margo

    I have a question for the believers. If there was a way to tell before hand whether a pregnant woman was going to have a gay or lesbian baby. Would you want her to have an abortion?

    June 21, 2013 at 7:57 pm |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      I guess the question was too hard.

      June 21, 2013 at 8:11 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      Yeah it's too hard. I'm sure some of them had a stroke thinking about this one.

      June 21, 2013 at 8:55 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      As usual, parents would ensure the child knew about the sin of pride and all the havoc it's ugly head creates.

      June 21, 2013 at 10:52 pm |
    • Candiano

      HeavenSent, the question was "If there was a way to tell before hand whether a pregnant woman was going to have a gay or lesbian baby, would you want her to have an abortion?"

      It is a fairly straightforward question, HeavenSent. Which your answer didn't address. Answer it.

      June 21, 2013 at 11:45 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Candiano, I certainly did answer the question. That sin of pride roaring it's ugly head. Of course those that have that sin won't admit it, instead argue with anyone that points the obvious out

      June 22, 2013 at 12:10 am |
    • Observer

      Heaven Sent is apparently incapable of answering any tough questions. She tries to change the subject and ends up fooling no one but herself.

      June 22, 2013 at 12:17 am |
    • redzoa

      @Candiano – HS's response is more telling than if s/he had attempted to actually address the question. Don't hold your breathe waiting for an intelligible answer; this is the best s/he can offer. The irony, of course, is the pride with which s/he provided the response (twice). But as s/he noted, s/he is unlikely to admit that pride fuels this behavior . . .

      June 22, 2013 at 12:18 am |
    • Dippy

      HeavenSent. Its, not it's. you don't even have a grasp of basic English, do you? Pity.

      June 22, 2013 at 12:27 am |
    • Candiano

      What is obvious is that you don't understand the question, HeavenSent. Fetus. In utero. Found out it will be gay. Abort or not? And pride has zero to do with it. Answer it.

      Observer and redzoa: I thought I'd give it one more shot. I'll bet she's too proud to answer it honestly.

      June 22, 2013 at 12:32 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, what part of big, humungous, gigantic, over stuffed, inflated ego do you not comprehend? Born gay my foot. Ego in overdrive is what you have. Now that you know you have to resolve the sin of pride, what excuse are you going to pull out of your hat?

      June 22, 2013 at 12:38 am |
    • Athy

      I'm wondering if she even understands the question.

      June 22, 2013 at 12:39 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      Even if I did have a big ego, it's still better than the TEN COMMANDMENT SIN of lying that you do.

      June 22, 2013 at 12:44 am |
    • Candiano

      Looks like "the sin of pride" is the excuse she is going to use to deflect every question tonight. I sense a pattern here.

      June 22, 2013 at 12:48 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent

      "Born gay my foot."

      Millions of gays say they were born that way."

      Please list your educational background in psychology or your expertise as a mind reader to show that you have ANY CREDIBILITY at all in claiming they are all lying.

      June 22, 2013 at 12:48 am |
    • redzoa

      "Ego in overdrive is what you have. Now that you know you have to resolve the sin of pride, what excuse are you going to pull out of your hat?"

      Ohhh . . . the irony.

      June 22, 2013 at 12:53 am |
    • HeavenSent

      OK, let's be logical about the group you belong. Isn't the theme "gay PRIDE"

      I rest my case. Even your founding fathers knew.

      June 22, 2013 at 1:02 am |
    • redzoa

      The idiocy of that last response, in combination with all HS's others, is both mind-numbing and completely predictable.

      June 22, 2013 at 1:05 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,

      Do you take PRIDE in being a Christjan?

      June 22, 2013 at 1:07 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, you posted "HeavenSent "Born gay my foot." Millions of gays say they were born that way."

      Please list your educational background in psychology or your expertise as a mind reader to show that you have ANY CREDIBILITY at all in claiming they are all lying."

      Answer: Millions of gays are lying to themselves. It's called denial.

      June 22, 2013 at 1:09 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Observer, you posted "HeavenSent, Do you take PRIDE in being a Christjan?

      Answer: I humbly love the Lord Jesus Christ.

      June 22, 2013 at 1:12 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent,
      '
      Once again you have FAILED to answer a question. Are you capable of answering ANY questions? Here it is since you didn't answer:

      Please list your educational background in psychology or your expertise as a mind reader to show that you have ANY CREDIBILITY at all in claiming they are all lying."

      June 22, 2013 at 1:12 am |
    • Candiano

      So you assume that anyone who advocates gay rights is automatically gay? Do you also assume that animal rights activists are animals, HeavenSent?

      The question was too hard for you, wasn't it, HeavenSent? I suspect you don't want to answer because if you found out you were going to give birth to a gay child, you would give yourself an abortion, wouldn't you?

      Don't change the subject any more, HS. Answer the question.

      June 22, 2013 at 1:14 am |
    • Candiano

      "Millions of gays are lying to themselves. It’s called denial."

      About what?
      There are over 150 species of mammals alone that exhibit gay behavior in nature. Are these animals "in denial", also.
      You really need to get further educated, HS. Being gay is as natural to gay people as being hetero is to you. Assuming you're hetero.

      June 22, 2013 at 1:23 am |
    • tallulah13

      I think the transition from human to kangaroo is actually happening! HS can no longer understand simple questions. Soon, she'll be out in a field, browsing on grass and leaves.

      June 22, 2013 at 1:27 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Twisting, contorting, spinning everything around just keeps the bandage on the wound. The issue is and always will be, why the urgency of denial?

      June 22, 2013 at 1:55 am |
    • HeavenSent

      tallulah13, it's OK to question a kangaroo that isn't really a kangaroo, but, oh no, let's not go to truth with others. Hypocrite.

      June 22, 2013 at 1:58 am |
    • HeavenSent

      My answers are truthful as well simply stated so that a 5 year old can comprehend, Because I don't buy into your lies and give you the answers you want ... well, too bad. Jesus' truth rocks. Try it some day after you get over your bullying ways to get people to accept you in denial.

      Romans 12:2

      “And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.”

      Amen.

      June 22, 2013 at 2:07 am |
  10. Ken Margo

    Nonsense like the garbage you read from Doug below is nauseating. Doug is a bigot who uses religion to excuse his bigotry. Gays and lesbians got here the same way straight people got here. We've all heard the comment" We're all gods children" That also applies to gays and lesbians. Bigots like Doug should be called out for what they are. Closeted, ignorant bigots.

    June 21, 2013 at 7:19 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Luke 4:4

      And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

      Amen.

      June 21, 2013 at 7:48 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      Now We have garbage above.

      June 21, 2013 at 7:50 pm |
    • Philip

      Douglas sounds repressed.

      June 21, 2013 at 8:45 pm |
  11. Douglas

    No "cure" for being gay is needed.
    Celibacy is the answer to men like Chambers with sinful same s-e-x attractions.
    He cannot continue to harbor the desire to fornicate with men and sustain a healthy marriage.
    Chambers needs to square his life with God and cast out the demons that tempt him to fornicate with men.

    Pastor Moore and Elder Duncan have added you to the evening prayer list.

    Through prayer and supplication all things are possible, including the casting off out of fornication.

    June 21, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
    • Science

      Hey doogie do know is chad in your families bloodline ?

      June 21, 2013 at 6:03 pm |
    • Science

      Oops for forgot ............you...............well do you know doogie ?

      June 21, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
    • Philip

      No "cure" is necessary because gay people are not sick. Same gender attraction is totally natural to gay people; the same way opposite gender attraction is to hetero people.
      Celibacy is not the answer; people are naturally sexual beings. What is NOT natural is celibacy. Advocating celibacy is advocating the unnatural.
      Jesus never said a word about gay people. Not one. Have you ever asked yourself why?

      June 21, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
    • Matthew 19

      Read Matthew 19 and the scriptures before referring to Jesus in your posts.

      June 21, 2013 at 6:50 pm |
    • Secular Humanist from Ohio

      Chambers has to cast out demons! Let's all get together now, "The power of Christ compels you! The power of Christ compels you!"

      June 21, 2013 at 6:52 pm |
    • Brian

      phillie – Don't take the name of The Lord in vain in your posts.

      June 21, 2013 at 6:54 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Psalms 56:4

      In God I will praise his word, in God I have put my trust; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me.

      Amen.

      June 21, 2013 at 6:54 pm |
    • Secrect - 666

      Shocking! CNN actually covers Bilderberg conference

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epZs8QV26TY&w=640&h=360]

      http://grailcode.net/

      June 21, 2013 at 7:00 pm |
    • Happy Atheist

      "harbor the desire to fornicate with men and sustain a healthy marriage."

      So it's okay to harbor the desire to fornicate with women and sustain a healthy marriage but just not with men?

      June 21, 2013 at 7:08 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Revelation 12:11

      And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

      Amen.

      June 21, 2013 at 7:34 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      +

      Luke 4:4  

      And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

      Amen.

      June 21, 2013 at 7:50 pm |
    • Philip

      Mathew 19 say zero on gay people. Nothing. Nada. It is about divorce. I DID reference Jesus on what he said about gay people. He said n o t h i n g.
      Nice try.

      Brianie, I didn't take the Lord's name in vain. Nice try.

      June 21, 2013 at 8:39 pm |
    • Brian

      Read the passage and pay close attention to what Jesus says about marriage between a man and a woman in the beginning of time.

      June 21, 2013 at 10:10 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      America doesn't have lords, it's a republic.

      June 21, 2013 at 10:13 pm |
    • Philip

      Brian, I will repeat this to you because you have a problem understanding this: Jesus said nothing about gay people in Mathew 19. Jesus said nothing about gay people at all, ever. This topic is about gays, not marriage. So admit you are wrong and move on.
      While we are talking about Mathew, read Mathew 7. Read that carefully. See what Jesus says about removing the plank from your eye.

      June 21, 2013 at 11:28 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Phillip, Jesus didn't create His children gay. Your big ego (sin of PRIDE) did. I can't believe you didn't figure it out, after all, isn't the gay theme "gay PRIDE"?

      June 22, 2013 at 12:54 am |
    • tallulah13

      HS, you crazy kangaroo, "pride" is not the answer to every question. Perhaps if you weren't so vain, you'd actually pay attention to the real question.

      June 22, 2013 at 1:30 am |
    • HeavenSent

      tallulah13, living a lie and staying in denial to support the lie, is why the truth stings when you read it.

      June 22, 2013 at 2:35 am |
    • Brian

      Again, read the passage slowly where marriage is defined as being between a man and a woman from the beginning of time. The message should not be difficult to comprehend unless you skipped the entire passage and are not used to reading the Bible.

      June 22, 2013 at 5:12 am |
  12. Bostontola

    Why are so many Christians judgmental?

    June 21, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      TRUE BELIEVERS JUDGE (not according to their own standard Matthew 7:1-2) (discern)

      "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." John 7:24 (Ephesians 5:11, 1 Corinthians 5:12)

      "But he who is spiritual judges ALL things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one." 1 Corinthians 2:15 (1 Corinthians 6:2-3; 10:15; 14:29, Romans 16:17)

      Judging Is Believing.

      Yes, and why, even of yourselves, do you not judge what is right? (Luke 12:57)

      What is right?

      The statutes of the Lord are right (Psalm 19:8).

      False Christians and unbelievers tell us it is not right to judge. Some fools hypocritically condemn us for judging (Luke 6:37), and they all hypocritically judge that we judge. When we identify preachers as false teachers leading both themselves and those who follow them to hell, when we declare others as on their way to hell, and especially when we warn them they are lost, we often hear these words (or the equivalent), "Judge not" (Matthew 7:1). Yet, these words are exactly why we judge.
      Jesus said,

      Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. (Matthew 7:1-2)

      Amen.

      June 21, 2013 at 8:13 pm |
    • Philip

      You need to judge your own behavior, HeavenSent, and the behavior of other Christians. That is what Jesus was referring to. NOT the behavior of non-Christians.
      Amen.

      June 21, 2013 at 9:14 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Phillip, I have to come out of peace, quiet, and serenity to write to folks blinded by the sin of pride. Who's egos are so out of control they need to grab onto a flawed theory that only the fittest survive ... because they didn't have sense to harness that demon when they were kids. The rest of the world learned right from wrong before age 6. So, I'll sit back to hear the next excuse that babbles out from the keyboards. You can blame me or anyone else. We'll continue to smile.

      June 21, 2013 at 11:28 pm |
    • Philip

      Then you are committing the sin of pride when you put your own ego above the word of Our Lord, HeavenSent. You have not taken Mathew 7 to heart, and you are a hypocrite. Continue to smile while you are judged in the manner in which you have judged others.

      June 21, 2013 at 11:55 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Phillip, read my post again. We judge, which is discerning what the Lord taught us, righteous vs unrighteous actions/outcomes.

      June 22, 2013 at 12:21 am |
    • Observer

      HeavenSent's judgement is terrible. For instance, She brainlessly claims that I (a male) am Tommy (a female).

      Lying, as HeavenSent does in this case is a TEN COMMANDMENT sin. If she had any pride, she wouldn't be a lair.

      June 22, 2013 at 12:32 am |
    • Observer

      Ooops. Bet that's the first time she's been called a "lair".

      June 22, 2013 at 12:39 am |
    • Philip

      Can you not comprehend the written word, HeavenSent?

      You need to judge your own behavior, HeavenSent, and the behavior of other Christians. That is what Jesus was referring to.

      NOT the behavior of non-Christians.

      You know, judge people who pay lip service that they are Christian, but really aren't?

      This is ridiculous. Good night.

      June 22, 2013 at 12:41 am |
    • tallulah13

      I don't know about all christians, but I would guess that HS is judgmental because she is stupid and arrogant. A bad combination made worse by her apparent disconnect with sanity.

      June 22, 2013 at 1:31 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Hark, me thinks ... yes, it's true, do I hear the sounds of whining? Is an unbeliever posting? Then it's whiner time. Drum roll please ........................ Whhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!.

      June 22, 2013 at 2:42 am |
  13. HeavenSent

    2 Peter 1:4

    Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

    Amen.

    June 21, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
    • Science

      BIG question HS and gang do you actually know your families bloodline ?

      June 21, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
    • Science

      Hey HS maybe a great, great, great uncle had a lustful past and it is on record somewhere ?

      June 21, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Blaming others does you no good. Learning His spiritual truth frees you from sinful lusts of the flesh.

      June 21, 2013 at 5:46 pm |
    • Science

      The only spirit is that moonshine brew or a good old bottle of Strawberry Hill by Boone's Farm

      June 21, 2013 at 5:57 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Romans 10:9

      That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

      Amen.

      June 21, 2013 at 6:09 pm |
    • Science

      Get a blood test or a cotton swap works HS

      June 21, 2013 at 6:30 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Ephesians 4:23  

      And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

      Amen.

      June 21, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
    • Philip

      Jesus Christ himself never said a word about gay people. Perhaps you could take a page out of His book.

      Amen.

      June 21, 2013 at 6:53 pm |
    • Science

      HS = BS

      June 21, 2013 at 6:53 pm |
    • Athy

      HeavenSent, don't you ever get tired of posting those silly bible quotes? Try posting something original once in a while.

      June 21, 2013 at 7:01 pm |
    • Fortune holds more for the bold

      Unfortunately if they don't believe in the veracity of Jesus they are not going to believe in the veracity of His works,it is sad but it does not change the truth of it....

      June 21, 2013 at 7:27 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Philip,

      Does lust of the flesh ring any bells with you?

      June 21, 2013 at 7:36 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Athy, instead of babbling nonsense start reading His word so that you will renew your mind to save your soul. Was that good for you?

      June 21, 2013 at 7:40 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Athy,

      Luke 4:4  

      And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

      Amen.

      June 21, 2013 at 7:53 pm |
    • Philip

      Does "Jesus never said a word about gay people" ring a bell for you, HeavenSent?
      Speaking of the sin of pride, your name reeks of it.

      June 22, 2013 at 12:00 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Phillip, any apostle that wrote scriptures, he did so for the Lord. Jesus is the author.

      I'll get yo stated on some of the scriptures you want. When you finish with these, there's more:

      Romans 1:18-28

      Acts 8:26-40
      1 Corinthians 10:13
      1 Corinthians 6:9-10
      Ecclesiastes 12:7
      Ezekiel 22:28
      Ezekiel 28:18-19
      Exodus 20:17
      Deuteronomy 22:5
      Genesis 2:24
      Genesis 3:14-15
      Genesis 19:11
      Genesis 19:24-25
      Genesis 19:5
      Hebrews 12:24-29
      Hosea 6:9
      Isaiah 29:13-16
      Jeremiah 6:15-16
      Jeremiah 23:19-23
      John 14:6
      Jude 7
      2 John 1:9-11
      1 John 5:17
      2 Kings 18:5-6
      Leviticus 18:22
      Leviticus 20:13
      Luke 1:68-70
      Malachi 2:17
      Matthew 5:16-18
      Matthew 7:20-23
      Matthew 8:5-13
      Matthew 15:8
      Matthew 19:9-12
      Matthew 19:17-19
      1 Peter 4:17-18
      2 Peter 19
      Proverbs 10:12
      Romans 1:18-32
      Romans 3:23
      Romans 1:24-28
      Romans 1:25
      Revelation 19:11-16
      Revelation 20:2
      Revelation 20:10
      Ruth 1:11-16
      2 Samuel 1:25-27
      1 Timothy 1:10
      2 Timothy 3:12-17

      Amen.

      June 22, 2013 at 12:29 am |
    • tallulah13

      "With great power comes great responsibilty" - Spider-Man 1

      June 22, 2013 at 1:33 am |
    • tallulah13

      HS, you dolt, you listed old testament books in your list. Jesus had nothing to do with those.

      June 22, 2013 at 1:34 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Tallulah, I, I THAT I AM, God, Melchizedek, His Holiness, Jesus, Lord, Hosanna, His Righteousness, Excellency, to name a few, are all the same.

      June 22, 2013 at 2:19 am |
    • A Frayed Knot

      Heaven Sent,

      And:

      Agdistis, Ah Puch, Ahura Mazda, Alerich, Allah, Amaterasu, An , Anasi, Anat, Andvari, Ansshar, Anu, Aphrodite, Apollo, Apsu, Ares, Artemis, Asclepius, Athena, Athirat, Athart, Atlas, Baal, Ba Xian, Bacchus, Balder, Bast, Bellona, Bergelmir, Bes, Bixia Yuanjin, Bragi, Brahma, Brigit, Camaxtli, Ceres, Ceridwen, Cernunnos, Chac, Chalchiuhtlicue, Charun, Chemosh, Cheng Huang, Cybele, Dagon, Damkina, Davlin, Dawn, Demeter, Diana, Di Cang, Dionysus, Ea, El, Enki, Enlil, Eos, Epona, Ereskigal, Farbauti, Fenrir, Forseti, Freya, Freyr, Frigg, Gaia, Ganesha, Ganga, Garuda, Gauri, Geb, Geong Si, Guanyin, Hades, Hathor, Hecate, Helios, Heng-O, Hephaestus, Hera, Hermes, Hestia, Hod, Hoderi, Hoori, Horus, Hotei, Huitzilopochtli, Hsi-Wang-My, Hygeia, Inanna, Into, Iris, Ishtar, Isis, Ixtab, Izanaki, Izanami, Jesus, Juno, Jupiter, Juturna, Kagutsuchi, Kartikeya, Khepri, Ki, Kingu, Kinich Ahau, Kishar, Krishna, Kuan-Yin, Kukulcan, Lakshmi, Leto, Liza, Loki, Lugh, Luna, Magna Mater, Maia, Marduk, Mars, Mazu, Medb, Mercury, Mimir, Min, Minerva, Mithras, Morrigan, Mot, Mummu, Muses, Nammu, Nanna, Nanse, Neith, Nemesis, Nephthys, Neptune, Nerhal, Ninazu, Ninhurzah, Nintu, Ninurta, Njord, Nugua, Nut, Odin, Ohkuninushi, Ohyamatsumi, Orgelmir, Osiris, Ostara, Pan, Parvati, Phaethon, Phoebe, Phoebus Apollo, Pilumnus, Poseidon, Quetzalcoatl, Rama, Re, Rhea, Sabazius, Sarasvati, Selene, Shiva, Seshat, Set, Shamash, Shapsu, Shen Yi, Shiva, Shu, Si-Wang-Mu, Sin, Sirona, Sol, Surya, Susanoh, Tawaret, Tefnut, Tezcatlipoca, Thanatos, Thor, Thoth, Tiamat, Tianhou, Tlaloc, Tonatiuh, Toyo-Uke-Bime, Tyche, Tyr, Utu, Uzume, Bevus, Vesta, Vishnu, Volturus, Vulcan, Xipe, Xi-Wang-Mu, Xochipilli, Xochiquestzal, Yam, Yarikh, Yhwh, Ymir, Yu-Huang, Yum Kimil, Zeus.

      All the same. All fantasy fiction.

      June 22, 2013 at 2:27 am |
    • HeavenSent

      A Frayed Knot, lies eventually unravel. You'll soon learn that lesson.

      June 22, 2013 at 2:55 am |
    • LIGHT

      A Frayed Knot
      Nonf what you mentioned has followers but one.

      non of what you mentioned has holy books but one.

      non of what you mentioned above has prophets or apostles to the mankind but one.

      all what you mentioned above had been forgotten but one.

      all what you mentioned above are just tales and stories but one.

      ask them all to guide you and to help you no one will do but one.

      all what you mentioned above are humans but one.

      all what you mentioned above you can see their pictures but one.

      all what you mentioned above you can their status but one.

      Allah is the creator, the powerful, the first , the controller, the rich, the supporter, the peace, the wise.

      June 22, 2013 at 3:57 am |
    • Damocles

      @light

      Many of those mentioned have at least a few followers.

      Some have holy books

      I can ask a rock to guide me with the same results as asking a deity.

      Not sure how you figure they are all humans, unless you know them personally.

      I like how all those tales and stories are false... unless they are tales and stories about your personal brand of deity.

      June 22, 2013 at 4:06 am |
  14. Patrish

    There are losing the war, so it's time to leave gracefully.

    June 21, 2013 at 5:15 pm |
  15. faith

    Happy Atheist
    I have never sinned. I used to drink about 8 glasses of wine a night for nearly 15 years but then decided I should quit so I did and it's been over 2 years now. I did not throw any burdons on God or ask for anyone elses forgiveness or try and rationalize why it wasn't my fault, I knew who was to blame for my overindulgences. So I took responsibility for my actions and quit, both religion and alcohol it turns out, and I've never been happier.

    AA is for alcoholics i believe

    June 21, 2013 at 2:45 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      Religious alcoholics.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:47 pm |
    • Joe

      AA is for people who can't do things on their own, and need the support of a group mentality. Happy Atheist quit on his own. Do you have a problem with reading comprehension, faith?

      June 21, 2013 at 2:57 pm |
    • faith

      problem drinkers can quit

      glad you could

      June 21, 2013 at 3:47 pm |
    • It's a Shhhaaayaaaaammee!

      AA is for mouse, tv, pvr, cable/dvr, aerolatte.
      AAA is for old receiver and that stupid cheap good-for-nothing "universal" remote.

      June 21, 2013 at 3:48 pm |
    • faith

      i have specialized in sin since i was a kid. majored in it in college. tis my expertise. turns out the bible is not inerrant. paul was wrong. he was not the chief of sinners. he was a small fry.

      June 21, 2013 at 3:54 pm |
    • Skipper

      I know we still live in a country where we have freedom of speech, and freedom of religion, and where I grew up in a place where I could believe in the God who created the universe. I know we have a choice to read the Bible, practice what belief we have and to choose if we don't want to live a certain way, if we don't want to. I dont tell anyone what to do in their bedrooms, it's not my business. I don't agree to people being abused, and forced to do anything against their will. And if people say they choose not to live a certain way. No one can tell me not to live a Christian life, and I would never tell anyone to commit suicide because someone didn't agree with how they lived. Being part African-American, and part Cherokee Native American, I've known of some of my ancestors who were kicked off their land, and others into slavery, and that was here in our country. Many people here survived hatred, prejudiced, poverty, and much more, but I don't ever say suicide is good for anyone. I pray that people can understand I have right to practice my beliefs, and not try to force anyone to live like I do, and it's my personal choice to live my life, and not harm anyone because of my personal beliefs, in a free country, and say I have a personal Savior in Jesus Christ and no one has to agree.

      June 21, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
    • Happy Atheist

      to faith I ask, what do you call drinking two bottles of wine a night for more than a decade? a problem drinker? My doctor said I had a problem with alcohol, but i'm pretty sure he meant I was an alcoholic. If you are implying that because I was able to quit without God then I must not have been addicted then you are a moron (but I think that had already been established).

      To Skipper – I am not sure what your point of contention is. Are there people not allowing you to be Christian? Any Christian who cries discrimination or persecution in America today apparently doesn't know the meaning of the words. There are thousands and thousands of Christian churches all over America in every city and every neighborhood which Christian themed music, concerts, venues, shopping malls, amusement parks. They are on TV, radio, billboards and more. If you feel you are being persecuted for being a Christian in America then you need to go to your nearest shopping mall this December and carry around a sign that says "I Am An Atheist, Please keep your Christmas at home!" and see what kind of response you get.

      June 21, 2013 at 7:04 pm |
  16. Vic

    This is big text.
    123

    June 21, 2013 at 1:39 pm |
    • Vic

      Oops.....doesn't work!

      June 21, 2013 at 1:41 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      I think they only support italics, and bold text.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
    • Science

      Too funny Vic...............did the devil make you do that ?

      June 21, 2013 at 1:46 pm |
    • sam

      Can you imagine the chaos in here if text sizing was allowed? Everything would be 72 point font.

      June 21, 2013 at 3:07 pm |
    • Science

      sam

      One or two comments a page ..............it would crash the server more on the hot ones.

      June 21, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
    • Candiano

      And yet wine was drunk in copious amounts, HS. Jesus approved.

      June 21, 2013 at 3:31 pm |
    • Vic

      Oh well, I was expecting just a few sizes up to 16 pts, maybe. They could cap it to that.

      June 21, 2013 at 4:52 pm |
  17. faith

    faith
    millions of recovering alcoholics don't blame their genes for their drinking. they have surrendered their powerlessness over their alcoholism to god and have been released from the terror of its bondage

    in fact, the greatest revival of the 20th century o c c ur r ed in the basements of churches where one dr u nk reached out to another and they found god through the very "evil" or "si n" that drove them there.

    if one is comfortable in his/her own skin embracing her hom os uality, each to his own way.

    June 21, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      Neither genes nor Jesus are responsible for alcoholism or overcoming alcoholism.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:25 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      The Knights of Columbus folks were usually in the basement of the church getting hammered... Priests give out liquor every Sunday... so AA meetings held at church is kind of like a Catch-22 kind of thing...

      June 21, 2013 at 1:53 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      1 John 1:9  

      If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

      Amen.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:56 pm |
    • Happy Atheist

      I have never sinned. I used to drink about 8 glasses of wine a night for nearly 15 years but then decided I should quit so I did and it's been over 2 years now. I did not throw any burdons on God or ask for anyone elses forgiveness or try and rationalize why it wasn't my fault, I knew who was to blame for my overindulgences. So I took responsibility for my actions and quit, both religion and alcohol it turns out, and I've never been happier.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:01 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      The AA model of recovery substitutes time drinking with something else to fill the time – church. Religion itself may not be a big factor in recovery.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:03 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      If one is overcome by sudden appendage growth, one should jack persistently until one lets free the creamy ambrosia of the Lord.
      Pole Jackers 6:9

      June 21, 2013 at 2:03 pm |
    • Candiano

      Alcoholism isn't even in the same stratosphere with being gay. It is comparing apples and oranges of the worst sort. This line of reasoning is specious, faith.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:29 pm |
    • art

      @happy atheist....you should really start drinking again.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:33 pm |
    • Happy Atheist

      "9 Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in s e x ual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prost i tutes, or practice h om os e xuality, 10 or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. " 1 Corinth 6:9, 10

      Not to point out the obvious Candiano, but I do believe drunkard is right up there with being gay according to your book. I don't believe it is anything more than historical fiction but there you go.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:37 pm |
    • Happy Atheist

      @art – why?

      June 21, 2013 at 2:38 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      Jesus loved wine and possibly greasy pole action, judging by the company he kept, so what's the problem?

      June 21, 2013 at 2:41 pm |
    • art

      @happy atheist
      Why......not? wait...haven't thought about it that way have you?

      June 21, 2013 at 2:46 pm |
    • Joe

      Happy Atheist, not to point out the obvious, but I was speaking to the original poster, who's handle is faith.
      Alcoholism and being gay is not in the same stratosphere, as I stated; notice that I didn't quote from that book; you did.

      June 21, 2013 at 3:01 pm |
    • Joe Candiano

      I should point out that my name is Joe Candiano; I realize that when I rebooted, I forgot to sign back on as Candiano. Sorry if this may have confused anyone!

      June 21, 2013 at 3:04 pm |
    • Joe Candiano

      And before Dippy gets me, I realize I wrote "who's" instead of "whose". Mea culpa.

      June 21, 2013 at 3:08 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Luke 7:34

      The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners!

      Amen.

      June 21, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      "Alcohol may be man's worst enemy, but the Bible says love your enemy." – Frank Sinatra

      June 21, 2013 at 4:03 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      He was a gangster but Frankie Boy had a sharp mind.

      June 21, 2013 at 4:09 pm |
  18. Lucifer's Evil Twin

    Hail Mary full of lice... Bless.ed are you among god-raped women...

    June 21, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
  19. I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

    I'm not usually one for plugging articles, but I've just read this one and it's really interesting.

    http://www.google.ie/url?q=http://www.newstatesman.com/religion/2013/06/inside-alpha-atheists-foray-christianity&sa=U&ei=b3nEUdzMOO3A7Ab__YCYBw&ved=0CDYQqQIoADAF&usg=AFQjCNHPqGz2J7lC065OKBV9XCL4LISfYg

    June 21, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
    • ME II

      Yep, that sounds about right.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:28 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      Did you read it? It's fascinating, isn't it? It just backs up my assertion that, unless they themselves are acting aggressively, we should try to be nice to Christians. There's clearly other issues in their lives which cause them to become so susceptible to religious hogwash.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:39 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      Good article. I'd have a blast going through that course. I always engage Christians who come to my door with "good news". It's great fun giving them a debate when they expected something completely different.

      June 21, 2013 at 1:55 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      Yeah, I invited some Jehovah's Witnesses in for some coffee once. It was ridiculous to be honest. They were really nice so I didn't want to be mean, but their strongest argument for theistic belief was "How else could the world have been created?" It was sad so I just gave them a brief run through of my astronomical knowledge and of the great amount I didn't know, followed by me saying that just because something isn't known doesn't mean we can fill in the gaps with magic.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:09 pm |
    • art

      shew.....thank goodness for your knowledge! bet you saved their lives.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:16 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      Nah, but one should try to help people with their delusions.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:26 pm |
    • art

      why? like you said, they were friendly people. doesn't sound like their ignorance is hurting anyone. wait for it....here comes the "Every theist forces their religion and denies equal rights rant."

      June 21, 2013 at 2:29 pm |
    • Pete

      They are hurting themselves, and I would say that coming to my door at 9:00am on a Saturday with the sole purpose of shoving their religion down my throat harms me, especially if I spent Friday night drinking.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      Art

      Nope, I'd never say that. And I try to help them 'cause I'm a nice guy. They weren't receptive to my help, so I wished them a merry farewell.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:36 pm |
    • art

      haha...thank you pete knew it was coming. If they are coming every Saturday, then yes, I could see your annoyance, but let's be honest, you might get a visit once a year or even every two years.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
    • Pete

      No the Jehova's Witnesses have a church or a temple, or whatever they call it around the corner from my house. Someone comes by every other Saturday, it is not always the same people, and I don't always answer the door, but they do come quite a bit.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:48 pm |
    • art

      They weren't receptive to your help or you weren't receptive to theirs. aha who is the arrogant one here. Has to be on of you, maybe both.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
    • Pete

      Also, I am not trying to imply that all religious people are like this, in fact most of the religious people I know are not like that.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
    • art

      one* shew glad i got that in before the real tom could berate me. Such a snarky one she is.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:50 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      art

      They wanted me to believe in and worship a fictional deity whose historical development can be easily traced, so I'm right and they're wrong and I merely wished to show them the error of their ways.

      You call Tom snarky? Pot, meet kettle.

      June 21, 2013 at 3:01 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      I think it does help people to gently lead them away from ideological dogma. It's good when people can appreciate the life they have here on earth, while they have it.

      Good example of that would be those who lost their lives in the name of religion. They wasted the only life they'll ever have, in favor of a promised life in god's grand theme park in the sky. What a waste, and what a shame.

      June 21, 2013 at 3:30 pm |
  20. HUH!

    You must be blind to your own stupidity. YOU are the one who called someone an a$$, and my post was in response to yours. You seem to want to involve in a devbate, but you can't be civilized, so it's no wonder people are ignoring you. Your calling them "trolls" doesn't help. From your comments you post allover the blogs, I gather, you need some serious psychological help.... and that's not with intent to insult you..

    June 21, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
    • HUH!

      This post was a response to "the real Tom", but edend up on new page.
      Sorry.... 😉

      June 21, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
    • Huh?

      Huh?

      June 21, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
    • the real Tom

      You really are not too swift. I don't pretend to be a christian. You are the one who, along with HS and a bunch of other wackbaskets, mewl on about how awful everyone else is and how good you are and then turn around and make yourselves hypocrites.

      That's okay. It just proves what most people think of self-aggrandizing, sanctimonious morons like the ones who populate this forum.

      And as for people not responding to my posts, you seem to have a lot of difficulty figuring out that you responded, and so do many others. If lots of people ignore my posts, then why are you so bothered about my posting them? If they fall on deaf ears, why are you so wrapped around the axle by what I write?

      Do you really think I give a crap whether anyone responds? Why would I? Three days from now, nobody will even remember what anyone else said on here, much less what name he/she used to post it.

      You place far too much importance on a silly pastime that is essentially meaningless. Says much about your life.

      June 21, 2013 at 12:14 pm |
    • Psst...

      The Real Tom – 1. HUH! – 0.
      Round goes to Tom.

      June 21, 2013 at 12:20 pm |
    • Obvi

      And don't forget, having imaginary friends and imaginary enemies and getting riled up on the BB about them is really at least a couple of silly pastimes.

      June 21, 2013 at 12:30 pm |
    • art

      @obvi goes both ways dbag. "Arguing with a fool only proves there are two."

      June 21, 2013 at 2:20 pm |
    • art

      @the real tom.
      hahahahahaha, you said "says much about your life." This coming from the person who litters every headline on BB. Tell me this isn't what you look forward to when you wake. would be your biggest lie yet.

      June 21, 2013 at 2:26 pm |
    • sam

      OUTRAGE!!!1!!

      June 21, 2013 at 3:06 pm |
    • Fortune holds more for the bold

      I know tom's point is laughable, as he/ she just described how I view him on this blog, a mild distraction from some grumpy lunatic. To be either pited or laughed at but not taken seriously that is how we see you Tommie boy....

      June 21, 2013 at 5:49 pm |
    • the real Tom

      Who's "we", O Fortuna? You got a gerbil up your ass again? What'd you do, fall on it?

      If you weren't taking me seriously, you turd, you would have been able to ignore my posts. If you thought everyone agreed with you, you would have no reason to respond, since all your responses would do is to prolong the conversation with me and thus increase the likelihood others would read my posts.

      Do you have a lot of difficulty tying your shoes?

      June 23, 2013 at 6:26 am |
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