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June 22nd, 2013
11:25 AM ET
Church without God - by designBy Dan Merica, CNN Boston (CNN)-– It’s Sunday in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and a rapt congregation listens to a chaplain preach about the importance of building a community. A few dozen people sit quietly for the hourlong service. Music is played, announcements are made and scholars wax poetic about the importance of compassion and community. Outsiders could be forgiven for believing this service, with its homilies, its passing of the plate, its uplifting songs, belongs in a church. If so, it’s a church without one big player: God. Sunday’s congregation in Cambridge is a meeting of the Humanist Community at Harvard University and the brainchild of Greg Epstein, the school’s Humanist chaplain. A longtime advocate for community building, Epstein and his group of atheists have begun to build their Cambridge community and solemnize its Sunday meetings to resemble a traditional religious service. To Epstein, religion is not all bad, and there is no reason to reject its helpful aspects. “My point to my fellow atheists is, why do we need to paint things with such a broad brush? We can learn from the positive while learning how to get rid of the negative," he said. Godless congregations For Epstein, who started community-building at Harvard nearly 10 years ago, the idea of a godless congregation is not an oxymoron. “We decided recently that we want to use the word congregation more and more often because that is a word that strongly evokes a certain kind of community - a really close knit, strong community that can make strong change happen in the world,” he said. “It doesn’t require and it doesn't even imply a specific set of beliefs about anything.” Epstein is not alone in his endeavor. Jerry DeWitt, who became an atheist and left his job as an evangelical minister, is using his pastoral experience to building an atheist church in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. This Sunday, DeWitt's congregation will hold its first meeting as a "Community Mission Chapel." "When you become a part of this congregation, this community, you are going to become part of a family," DeWitt told CNN. "There is an infrastructure there for you to land in. There is going to be someone there to do weddings and to do, unfortunately, the funerals." READ MORE: Unbelieving preachers get help to 'come out' as open atheists Sunday school for atheists As members of the Cambridge congregation file into a wood-paneled classroom at Harvard, singer Shelley Segal greets them with a few songs from her latest recording, called simply, “An Atheist Album.” Taking a hint from the theme of the event, Segal strums on her guitar and belts her song, “Gratitude.” “I don't believe in a great power to say thank you to,” Segal sings. “But that won’t take away from my gratitude.” ![]() Harvard's humanist chaplain Greg Epstein leads an atheist gathering. After the music, Epstein offers a few words of greeting before the meeting gets to its heart: a discussion about compassion. A four academics and a journalist discuss the effects of religion on raising children and their ideas about compassion. Congregants listen intently, some even taking notes. Each service has a message – compassion, evolution or acceptance - after which congregants engage in a lengthy discussion. Before the main event, kids are invited to what some parents refer to as “Sunday school,” where Tony Debono, a biologist Massachusetts Institute of Technology, teaches the youngsters about evolution, DNA and cells. There's little talk about organized religion, positive or negative. Likewise, down in Louisiana, said his atheist services will not be anti-religion. "What we are looking at doing is different," DeWitt said. "If you are a religionist and you come and sit in our pew, the only way you can leave offended is because of what you don’t hear and what you don’t see. We won’t be there to make a stance against religion or against God." Coming out of the closet In the last few years, the number of “nones” – those who don’t associate with any organized religion – has grown at a rate faster than any other group. Nones now represent one in five Americans, according to a 2012 Pew Research Center poll. Although the number of atheists has grown, too, there are still a large number of “nones” that choose not to associate with the label “atheist.” Some at Harvard’s Humanist congregation fall into this category. “I don’t particularly have a religion,” said Anil Nyer, a neurologist who brought his daughter to Humanist Sunday school. But Nyer also said he didn’t want to label himself as an atheist. One reason to shy away from the atheist label: Many Americans hold a negative impression of nonbelievers. According to a recent Public Religion Research Institute poll, nearly 40 percent of Americans believe that atheists are changing American culture for the worse. “Whenever we put atheists on a list like this and we compare them to other groups, atheists tend to come in towards the bottom of that list,” said Robert P. Jones is the CEO of Public Religion Research Institute. “Americans tend to hold a lot of reservations about atheists.” Epstein hopes his congregation can change that. By formalizing meetings and building a strong community, the Harvard group hopes it can be a model for other atheist congregations forming around the country. ![]() A group meets during an atheist gathering in Boston. More atheists may come of the closet if they know a congregation will be there to support them, Epstein said, “Being an atheist is something we want people to come out and be,” said the Humanist chaplain. “There are so many people, probably millions, who are humanists or atheists or nonreligious in private and nobody knows." Epstein said he gets e-mails daily from people founding atheist meet-up groups. “Tulsa, Oklahoma; North Carolina; London; Vancouver, Canada; Houston, Texas,” Epstein said, listing the sources of the most recent e-mails. “One part of what we are saying is come on out and let your neighbors know” about your disbelief, he said. “It is not going to make you worse of a person, it is going to make you a better person to be more open about who you are.” Rituals for the irreligious For the last few years, the Humanist Community at Harvard has operated out of a small three-floor walk-up off the bustling streets of Harvard Square. The walls are littered with posters about atheism – tributes to famed atheists Eddie Izzard, Seth MacFarlane and Stephen Fry. Because of the scattered furniture and the Harvard dorm feel, Epstein jokingly describes the space as “college broke chic.” That’s being generous – but it's also about to change. Starting in the fall, the Humanist Community at Harvard will begin meeting in a nearly 3,000-square-foot community center with an event space for nearly 100 people. Although the plan is to use the space at the group’s headquarters, it will also serve as a broader community center for the group that Epstein and others are trying to build in the Boston area. “What we really would like to see is a community center where people can come by at anytime and to use it as a space to study or have a meeting for various committee,” said Chris Stedman, the assistant humanist chaplain at Harvard. Stedman said he sees the new building as a place for people to gather, not only to become part of a humanist community, but to also become more engaged with the world. When he talks about his plans for the future, Epstein appears to long for a time when the new community center could mimic aspects of church - a place for baby-naming ceremonies, weddings and funerals. The success of an atheist church will depend on walking the thin line between too much and too little ritual, Epstein said. Humanists boast a proud freethinking streak, and some at the Harvard event said they don’t want to be associated with any sort of dogma or belief system - or even a system based on disbelief. Anyway, Esptein said his congregation will be less a group of people united by beliefs - or disbelief - and more like an opera, or a painting. “Our community is like a work of art," he said. "Hopefully people will respond to that work of art and it will garner controversy and discussion like a work of art." |
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To quote Christopher Hitchens " What can be asserted without evidence, can also be dismissed without evidence."
Traitors. > : (
Atheists should not embrace the Religious cult model.
No leaders.
No hierarchy
No Dogma
No Money
They need to make their own model rejecting the selfishness embraced by Religious Cults.
My Salvation
My entry into heaven
My 47 Virgins
My own planet
Atheism should be about
Our Community
Our Society
Our well being
Our future
Amen.
..it's here..
http://buildingabettergod.blogspot.dk/2010/05/god-you-dont-want.html
@ dude, if God is good are you not surely robbing God?
All that is Good is of God. There is no other Way.
No other way, Austin? Do good by the standards of your culture, community and family. Discard the notion of God, it doesn't add anything. That seems to work well enough, and I contend that that is what believers do with the 99% of their time in which they are not thinking about God.
8“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
9“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
10As the rain and the snow
come down from heaven,
and do not return to it
without watering the earth
and making it bud and flourish,
so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,
11so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire
and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
12You will go out in joy
and be led forth in peace;
the mountains and hills
will burst into song before you,
and all the trees of the field
will clap their hands.
13Instead of the thornbush will grow the juniper,
and instead of briers the myrtle will grow.
This will be for the Lord’s renown,
for an everlasting sign,
that will endure forever.”
Romans 3:10 As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;
I pray for these Atheists. I worry that if they don't believe in Winnie they will spend an eternity in a pot of boiling honey...
Whoops! wrong fairy tale, Sorry about that, I'm a Christian but it's not like I've really read my book.
Winnie? The Hairy Thunderer or the Cosmic Muffin?
Hairy Muffin
Austin
no this was revelation!!!!!!!!
I had no clue what i was about to read, but i dreamed it the night before and wrote it down. I dreamed i went through a beautiful stone arch way, with a beautiful retaining wall and a tile patio. it was majestic looking, no cartoon, and then there was whole in the gournd chizzeled into the tile. the particles were very fine and dusty. a detatched arm reached down into the whole and pulled out a bag of gems. dust fell off. the leather pouch was opened and it was full of different colored gems.
wrote the dream down at 3am. thought it was your normal nonsense............
but the next day i read four more chapters in the book of Jeremiah.
8 In Tahpanhes the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah: 9 “While the Jews are watching, take some large stones with you and bury them in clay in the brick pavement at the entrance to Pharaoh’s palace in Tahpanhes. 10 Then say to them, ‘This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: I will send for my servant Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and I will set his throne over these stones I have buried here; he will spread his royal canopy above them. 11 He will come and attack Egypt, bringing death to those destined for death, captivity to those destined for captivity, and the sword to those destined for the sword.
Spreading your delusions again in the hope that someone will be dumb enough to accept them???
26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.
Acts 2:17
New International Version (NIV)
17 “‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
Prepare ye, the Way of the Lord.
Austin loves to share his crazy dreams on the BB. Tell them about driving your truck through a church naked, Austin. Oh wait that wasn't a dream was it?
Austin, is that me?
Why aren't you posting your recent dreams, you fraud?
none of you have a clue if i am a fraud or not. and you will not find that answer from me. You can receive it only if the spirit i am boasting about is real and true.
Is this a true statement?
It's pretty clear from your posts that you are a phony, Austin.
there is not one phony thing that I have done. Maybe I am not God's spokesman, which i am not.
But I did experience the spirit of God. and this was supernatural, and beyond anything you can reproduce.
Try me on my posts in court.
I'm trying you right here and now, you fake. Produce your evidence. If you have none, then you're a fraud for claiming something for which you have shown no proof or evidence whatsoever.
Produce is my evidence.
Spinach 4:13
And the earth did swell and break, giving way to the life beneath, and it was green and it was good.
When did the 10 Commandments become optional to a few claiming to be Christian? - bearing false witness? We need to all stop attacking each other for holding different views.
What is it about God that even atheists can't seem to stop talking or think about Him. It's like bees being attracted to honey. God sure is sweeter then a honey comes, even atheists can't help to feed off of the sweetness of God.
It's so sweet it makes me want to puke.
OR, perhaps many of us care enough about our fellow human beings and don't want to see them continue to cling to religion for very bad reasons.
The "sweetness of god"?
Have you not read the bible. God wiped out all but a few of humanity along with all life on the planet. He smote sodom and gomorrah, tortured men, killed many innocent children. the stories of his "kindness" go on and on. Such a sweet gentle compassionate destroyer.
It is because all good and righteous things are from God. It does not matter who performs the deed. It is all from and for Him. He is an awesome God. The content of what you said is what makes God so great, because He will allow this to be – as perplexing as it may seem – because it is still His will being worked out and done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YIj4rLYo0c
“In the beginning, God created the earth, and he looked upon it in his cosmic loneliness.
And God said, "Let Us make living creatures out of mud, so the mud can see what We have done." And God created every living creature that now moveth, and one was man. Mud as man alone could speak. God leaned close to mud as man sat, looked around, and spoke. "What is the purpose of all this?" he asked politely.
"Everything must have a purpose?" asked God.
"Certainly," said man.
"Then I leave it to you to think of one for all this," said God.
And He went away.”
–Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle
Revelation 4:11
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Amen.
Amen
You cannot make this stuff up
Jesus demonstrated that He had complete control of all things in both atomic and sub-atomic scale .He had complete control of things both alive and inert, which is witnessed in the gospel writings. He performed miracles everyday in front of thousands of people . He did this day after day , after day , after day , after day , after day , after day , after day , after day , after day ,after day , after day , for three years until he was put to death. NOTHING was hidden . Everything was done in the open for all to see. He came to us, tell us that our lives do not end after death. . By Him doing these things (miracles) He validated His word as the truth. Were their others who performed wondrous signs? Of course, but not near the scale to which He did nor the caliber. As a former atheist of almost forty years I thank Him everyday for opening my eyes and allowing me to "see". I wish you all the best .
just tall tales grown taller in the retelling.
The supernatural Spirit is there.
Sure. So is Sasquatch and Abominable Snowman.
Tom, I apprecaite it that you toned it way down for that last rip.
I'm sure you do. Your pal Fortuna thinks you're the real deal, Austin. Why don't you explain what your 'visions' signify? What does an ABOVE GROUND POOL represent?
What dreams have you had recently? Why not share them?
Due to big, humungous, gigantic egos of the unbeliever, they can not see God. Why? They refuse to go humble. That's why they whine all the time aka meltdowns.
I don't think you have a clue what the word "humble" means, HS. You're arrogant beyond all measure.
Tom, Jesus tells us throughout the Bible, living in ego is the opposite of being humble. Hence, why you can't hear or see His truth.
Is it more egotistical to believe that the entire universe was created for our benefit and "I" (which is the deinfition of the ego) will live on after I die or to believe that we are only a VERY small and VERY temporary part of a universe so large we have no hope of ever understanding it all?
Off topic, but what does G to the T mean?
Church without God- by design, is kinda contradicting it self... If its " by design" someone must of designed it...the design does appear from nothing!!
Both your logic and English are flawed.
GLORY!!!!! Well said!!
I think that is the point. Not knowing who or what designed it or how it happened doesn't mean it can't be appreciated and isn't inspiring to humanity.
Now all you need to do is provide evidence that the 'designer' exists, until then it is a bunch of crap designed by man to fool man.
TP . I have proof, and just because you cant accept it, does not mean that you deserve to use the word crap in your unbelief. That is an offence.
Just pointing out that you are not even neutral.
"Church without God- by design, is kinda contradicting it self... If its " by design" someone must of designed it...the design does appear from nothing!!"
No, that's not The Truth at all.
HALLELUJAH, I AM NOT AN ATHEIST!!!!! PRAISE THE MIGHTY NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, THE AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF MY FAITH, THE ROCK OF MY SALVATION, AND MY REDEEMER!!! I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH, JESUS, FROM SAVING ME FROM STAYING IN ATHEISM!!!
Your caps lock is on. It's usually on the left side of the keyboard.
Reality frightens you, doesn't it??? Some of us don't need an imaginary friend to make life worth living.
I don't need to believe a deity will punish me for eternity to seek to do as much good in the world as I can.
It is still ok to ask the lord for forgiveness in your last dying breath.
Comic book fairy tale.
I doubt if these people would feel the need to do that.
There is no god. It's probably more meaningful to ask for forgiveness for those you have hurt and rest in peace.
So Hitler, a brother in Christ...if he asked for forgiveness in his final moments, a distinct possibility considering his faith, could ask for forgiveness and the pearly gates would open?...I want no part of any god that would allow that.
And don't count on an afterlife either. Make the most out of this one is your best bet.
christianity
The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
Yeah, christianity makes sense.
religion is a mental illness
Science may one day find a cure for the ‘mental’ in religious fundamentalism, says Oxford professor
DURING a presentation on brain research at the Hays Literary Festival in Wales earlier this week an Oxford University researcher and author specializing in neuroscience suggested that one day religious fundamentalism may be treated as a curable mental illness.
Kathleen Taylor, a science writer affiliated to the Department of Physiology, Anatomy and Genetics, was responding to a question about the future of neuroscience.
1 John 2:16
For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
Amen.
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1939 // epiyumia // epithumia // ep-ee-thoo-mee'-ah //
from 1937 ; TDNT – 3:168,339; n f
AV – lust 31, concupiscence 3, desire 3, lust after 1; 38
1) desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden, lust
For Synonyms see entry 5845 & 5906
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4561 // sarx // sarx // sarx //
probably from the base of 4563 ; TDNT – 7:98,1000; n f
AV – flesh 147, carnal 2, carnally minded + 5427 1, fleshly 1; 151
1) flesh (the soft substance of the living body, which covers
the bones and is permeated with blood) of both man and beasts
2) the body
2a) the body of a man
2b) used of natural or physical origin, generation or
relationship
2b1) born of natural generation
2c) the sensuous nature of man, "the animal nature"
2c1) without any suggestion of depravity
2c2) the animal nature with cravings which incite to sin
2c3) the physical nature of man as subject to suffering
3) a living creature (because possessed of a body of flesh)
whether man or beast
4) the flesh, denotes mere human nature, the earthly nature of man apart
from divine influence, and therefore prone to sin and opposed to God
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3788 // oftalmov // ophthalmos // of-thal-mos' //
from 3700 ; TDNT – 5:375,706; n m
AV – eye 101, sight 1; 102
1) the eye
2) metaph. the eyes of the mind, the faculty of knowing
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212 // alazoneia // alazoneia // al-ad-zon-i'-a //
from 213 ; TDNT – 1:226,36; n f
AV – boasting 1, pride 1; 2
1) empty, braggart talk
2) an insolent and empty assurance, which trusts in its own
power and resources and shamefully despises and violates
divine laws and human rights
3) an impious and empty presumption which trusts in the
stability of earthy things
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979 // biov // bios // bee'-os //
a primary word; TDNT – 2:832,290; n m
AV – life 5, living 5, good 1; 11
1) life
1a) life extensively
1a1) the period or course of life
1b) that by which life is sustained, resources, wealth, goods
For Synonyms see entry 5821
The Holy Spirit is a sanctifying spirit that bears the truth of God's Word on a persons heart. I have experienced the revelation of God's spirit and Word. This was supernatural experience.
And anyone indwelt by the Holy Spirit is the recipient of the supernatural spirit of God.. This is not an act or accomplishment that man earned. this is the work of God. He has intervened with man.
You experienced what every human being who ever lived has experienced – you had dreams.
Amen!!
I'm sure that believing that myth gives you comfort.
midwest rail – Hmmmmm, if it's just a "dream", why are billions of us having the same dream and the same experience, eh?
Really ? Ask Austin about his dreams – if millions of you are dreaming about swimming pools, you may have something.
ironically, you can find similar testimonials from adherents to every religion.
ATHEISM = RELIGION,
If atheism is considered to be a "religion", so what? It doesn't do a thing to change the failings of the Bible. which helps create atheists.
Ask Austin about his dreams, dearie. You'll read about dead cats and ABOVE GROUND POOLS!
Then ask Austin what such dreams signify about god. You'll get crickets chirping.
You know, they've got shots for this these days.
no this was revelation!!!!!!!!
I had no clue what i was about to read, but i dreamed it the night before and wrote it down. I dreamed i went through a beautiful stone arch way, with a beautiful retaining wall and a tile patio. it was majestic looking, no cartoon, and then there was whole in the gournd chizzeled into the tile. the particles were very fine and dusty. a detatched arm reached down into the whole and pulled out a bag of gems. dust fell off. the leather pouch was opened and it was full of different colored gems.
wrote the dream down at 3am. thought it was your normal nonsense............
but the next day i read four more chapters in the book of Jeremiah.
8 In Tahpanhes the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah: 9 “While the Jews are watching, take some large stones with you and bury them in clay in the brick pavement at the entrance to Pharaoh’s palace in Tahpanhes. 10 Then say to them, ‘This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: I will send for my servant Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, and I will set his throne over these stones I have buried here; he will spread his royal canopy above them. 11 He will come and attack Egypt, bringing death to those destined for death, captivity to those destined for captivity, and the sword to those destined for the sword.
Where are the descriptions of the dreams you had this past week, you phony?
You're just another carney barker, Austin. You don't have any evidence that you ever had ANY dream or that anything occurred afterward. You can't even make any pretense of knowing what your alleged 'visions' had to do with any god at all.
"It was revelation"!! So, what was revealed? What prphecy? Do you even know what "revelation" even means, Austin?
"If they don't believe the veracity of His words, they are not going to believe the veracity of His works" as evidence by Tom's incessant demands for more proof....
Do you have any evidence, Fortune? By the way, where did you get your screen name?
Tom I am not claiming to have evidence, I am calling out your presumption that you don't believe the words you are not going to believe the works...
Btw the moniker comes from a chapter in a book called Wonder, by R J Palicio,month worry secular author, it is about bullying and misunderstanding
"I am calling out your presumption that you don't believe the words you are not going to believe the works..."
Here you go, dear: "I am actually Queen Elizabeth II. You'll just have to take me at my word, since I cannot prove to you that I am truly the queen."
How's that workin' for you, you moron?
"Btw the moniker comes from a chapter in a book called Wonder, by R J Palicio,month worry secular author, it is about bullying and misunderstanding"
"month worry secular author"? Translation into English, please.
I looked up your novel–it's a children's book. Are you a teen?
Fortune,
You have a great point! We need the Holy Spirit.
@tom, I am in education, and sorry about the spell check confusion, I meant don't worry it is a secular author. Sad that you literally want to judge this book by just googling it, but perhaps that is how you come to most of your conclusions. It is an intriguing book about being misunderstood and bullied. I use it with parents and student to engender discussion. I would be curious to hear your thoughts if you were inclined to read it....
Fortune, sad that you jump to the conclusion that I made any kind of "judgment" about your book. I simply asked you a question.
You seem to think I should simply take the ninny Austin at his word and believe what he does because he says it's true. Only an idiot would do that after reading Austin's ridiculous claims and idiotic assumptions.
That he cannot even manage to come up with a plausible interpretation of his "visions" and refuses to divulge any current dreams while claiming he had revelations following previous ones should tell you much about his veracity. If you believe his tale, you're more gullible than most.
@tom, hmmm another presumption... Am I wrong? Your argument is that the bible is not a proof text therefore any point made using this source is invalid.
Sorry if I presumed... I do think you would enjoy the book, because respectfully I do see your compassion for the misunderstood, unless of course it is a faith approach
"Your argument is that the bible is not a proof text therefore any point made using this source is invalid."
And your argument is that the bible is proof a god exists, is it not?
Too bad that it doesn't prove a thing.
I don't require proof, Fortune. I do ask for evidence and I don't consider the bible reliable evidence of anything, since it was written by men who are fallible and dishonest by nature. If you have corroborating evidence, I'll be happy to look at it. Do you?
As for your acceptance of Austentasia's claims, you're welcome to buy into his malarkey if you want. I'm sure you and he have much in common.
@tom, I have not said anything about supporting Austin, I was merely confirming that you require evidence or proof and you are invalidating the Bible as a proof text. Anyone who has done a verbal defense of a dissertation would understand this as a statement of process...
These fools spend more time and energy not believing in God than Christians do believing in God. A very disturbed gaggle.
Did you read the article? Doesn't sound like it.
As if someone has build a stadium only for spectators and not to play football.
Atheists say their opinions. You have no monopoly and often no grasp of the difference between your views and that of reality. More liberal atheists are on mood meds to deal with today's world and thus, drugged, their inabilities are obvious to all but them.
Atheists commit suicide more then religious people do.
It's amusing watching a believer pretend a grasp of reality.
If you don't have comprehension of evolution try researching it before sounding like an idiot. We don't say we are apes, we only state that the evidence points to a common ancestor, there is evidence to support that fact....there is no evidence to support the story of incestuous relations that stem from the Adam and Eve crap.
Atheist also have higher I.Q.'s
Wow you guys sure are full of hate. Glad I don't waste my life hating over other people's beliefs.
Atheists,
"More liberal atheists are on mood meds"
Brainless and factless comment.
TP
In fact we are apes...h0m0 sapiens, literally wise ape. We are just a separate species of ape, but ape is correct.
Richard: I stand corrected. Thank you.