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June 26th, 2013
11:53 AM ET
`Jesus wept' or tears of joy? Faithful react to gay marriage rulingsBy Daniel Burke, CNN (CNN) As news broke of the big Supreme Court rulings on gay marriage, religious leaders took to Twitter to express joyous praise or strong condemnation. http://storify.com/danielsburke/religious-reaction-to-scotus-decisions |
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The words I quoted from Romans chapter 1:18-26 are not my words; they are from the word of the Living God. It is your God-given choice to agree or disagree. You cannot stop Christians from caring for your soul and praying for you. This is our choice.
Sorry man wrote the Bible not God.
here's more words from your living god ...
Ezekiel 23:20
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
and more words from your living god ...
Psalm 137, 9:
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
your living god doesn't remember what was said ...
Jesus' last words
MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."
LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."
JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
God be seen?
EXO 24:9,10; AMO 9:1; GEN 26:2; and JOH 14:9
God CAN be seen:
"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (EXO 33:23)
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (EXO 33:11)
"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (GEN 32:30)
God CANNOT be seen:
"No man hath seen God at any time." (JOH 1:18)
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (EXO 33:20)
"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1TIM 6:16)
The words you quoted from Romans chapter 1:18-26 are not your words; they are from iron age sheep molesters
if god is omniscient, there is no free will
pompous dweeb
One poster said "the Supreme Court overruled God."
Of course it did, always will as long as we protect our freedom. Freedom is not free!
We don't need to remove "under god" from the pledge – let's just modify it to "One Nation – over god".
jesus said it best when he was up there on the cross.father forgive them they no not what they do.
Yes!
jesus said nothing. Men spoke those words and pretended they came from this imaginary creature.
Were you there? And which Gospel do you believe? There are several different claims about what he said....all written many decades after his death.
right now he would be saying that about the false christians spouting hate, like CN.
If Jesus said that then he would appreciate the ruling yesterday. He was pro-love, not anti-love.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Evidence_for_the_historical_existence_of_Jesus_Christ
" they no not what they do." Hi faith! I can tell it's you because you are the only one who regularly spells "know" as "no". He tries to hide but his lack of education makes him stick out like a sore thumb.
they were ruling on the constiutionality of a law regarding equal rights
if that angers your god, so be it
This is for all the folks on here babbling about how this will ruin the family unit, and how kids need a 'mommy and a daddy', etc.... Well, marriage isn't about having kids. It is about love and commitment. Having children is a choice, married or not. Not all heteros.exual couples have children. Just two people that love each other and want to spend their lives together. Who are any of us to decide who can fall in love with whom? Why do so many of you presume to speak for your god? Is it perhaps because your god fits your world view? Why is your god unable to appear and speak and provide a consistent message to all people? Because gods were created by man, to fit man's needs.
It IS ruining families! And marriage is to procreate something you can't do if you choose to be gay. The Bible is clear that it is wrong. No question about it.
Christian Nation give us proof that gay marriage ruins families?
Marriage is not only for procreation you lunatic. And gay people can have kids. You really are non-functioning, aren't you?
'And marriage is to procreate'
dont be silly, no its not. You dont need to be married to have kids, and you dont need to have kids if you are married. What a bizarre claim.
So I must conclude that this is just one more area where the bible is wrong.
CN, do you have ANY research you can cite to prove that it's "ruining families"? I've challenged you to produce it and you haven't done so. If you don't have any evidence, then you're not credible on this score.
Hell no. Let jonah run amok in whatever fantasy world he has created for himself, where the whales swallow him and he returns the favor. Reality has weighed in and said 'ummm, no, I don't want him'.
OK all you "Sky Father" worshippers... Why don't you just take your lies and your dogma and your fairy tales that teach you hate, prejudice, bigotry, and small-mindedness and just shut the hell up for ALL our sakes...????
Your childish devotion to an oppressive religion of hate and control is getting in the way of Humanity's forward progress and, frankly, the rest of us are through with you. From here on out, please pray in silence and let your mouth follow suit - no one wants to hear about your false deity or false Messiah anymore...it is a message the world actually DOESN'T need or want.
Jeebus... "but the BIBLE said so!!!" Boo-hoo!!! What are you, six years old??? Think for YOURSELVES you fools!!!
Marriage is NOT about procreation. It is a commitment to another. In 'biblical times' is was actually a transference of property (girls were sold as property). There are many couples who choose not to have children. There are couples who can't have children for medical reasons. To believe that the sole purpose of marriage is procreation is beyond ignorant.
CN: The bible is an iron age comic book, written by and for people long dead in a very different society.
Societies change, morality changes
Choke on it
@ CN
I'm hetero and have been married for over thirty years. We knew before we were married that we probably didn't want to have children. We never did change our minds. Having children isn't for everyone.
Nearly all of our friends who married and had children are divorced and remarried. Their children had to live through seeing their parent split up, had a parade of potential new mommies and daddies coming through, and got shuttled back and forth between bitter, feuding exes.
Now, please tell me how and why I'm "ruining families" by not procreating.
While you're at it, explain how elderly couples who marry or couples who can't have children are "ruining families".
The only ones weeping are the bigots....the hateful will continue to lose. All over the world, people who believe in equality will win. The fact that in the United States, the so-called bastion of freedom, there are still such venomous gay bashers and haters, shows we still have a long way to go. However, yesterday's decision was a good and very large step in the right direction.
Thank you for posting Catalogue Baby. If this is your story, please know that you are God's child and He treasures you.
I'll treasure you if you learn the function of the reply feature.
freakin' christards are coming out of the woodwork today... quick! turn on the light... maybe they'll scatter back under the fridge...
Scripture keeps having to admit the world's not flat, over and over. Today there are people who put up anti-science information on internet websites hosted on servers accessed by geosynchronous satellites. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say God's not gonna destroy the world because we decided more marriage is better than less marriage, or that love ought to be given a chance. And can anyone who isn't obviously barking mad show me where the Bible mentions the United States of America or democracy?
But look at all of te disasters that have hit all the European countries that legalized gay marriage, and all the pretty flowres, and the fruit and mana trees that have been springing up in the deserts where gay rights don't exist.
We shoulkd all hide in our bunkers until god stops srtiking down unholy Americans!
@ Russ
Yes, please do go away and hide, the longer the better.
I weep! How can we complain if God drops another hurricane on our heads?
Stop hiding the fact that you want to turn the tables on that mean old whale and swallow it instead. Methinks you are reading to much into the name Sperm Whale.
Really?
You are going to forecast a hurricane this early in hurrican season, and blame gay rights if it happens?
LOLOLOLOLOL
Why don't you just crawl back into that big fish for protection?
Your imaginary friend has nothing to do with the weather. Time to get back to class now and pay attention this time when they are teaching you about weather patterns.
You could just ask god how he could do this when this is just about equal treatment under the law
You could ask how this all loving god is such a vengeful little pr1ck
Oh, it's coming alright. We haven't seen anything yet. And, not necessarily a hurricane. The destruction will get bigger and more frequent until the nation is bankrupt! 88 And after your testimony cometh wrath and indignation upon the people.
89 For after your testimony cometh the testimony of earthquakes, that shall cause groanings in the midst of her, and men shall fall upon the ground and shall not be able to stand.
90 And also cometh the testimony of the voice of thunderings, and the voice of lightnings, and the voice of tempests, and the voice of the waves of the sea heaving themselves beyond their bounds.
91 And all things shall be in commotion; and surely, men’s hearts shall fail them; for fear shall come upon all people.
92 And angels shall fly through the midst of heaven, crying with a loud voice, sounding the trump of God, saying: Prepare ye, prepare ye, O inhabitants of the earth; for the judgment of our God is come. Behold, and lo, the Bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. (Doctrine and Covenants, Doctrine and Covenants, Section 88)
try joining us in the real world at some point jonah.
Jonah has to be a poe. What idiocy.
I'm thinking something much worse. A huge meteor with a molten core will fly so close to the earth that the earth's gravity will suck part of its molten core through a volcano on the meteor which will land on the U.S. And when life returns to the earth millennia later, they will write about how some god had killed off all the sinners with a cauldron of fire.
I'm thinking a poe too, Tom.
I agree that Jonah sounds like a poe. But if not, he should do a little research into "Global Warming" and start blaming the right humans for the increase in violent weather.
Yes! You're right! This AMAZING, WONDERFUL, FORGIVING, LOVING God of yours is going to throw a hissy fit and start sending hurricanes. He's going to murder men, women, and children because he can't handle himself like a big boy. You sure know God, don't you?
A mentally ill delusional Poe, or just an azzhole Poe?
So wait a minute...You are saying God attacks and destroys us or America depending on if he is displeased with our decisions? What about innocent kids who died in natural disasters? What about massive death in starvation caused by droughts around the world and in history? Do you mean God doesn't just target specific people when we make decisions he doesn't like, he just fires scatter shot over anybody to prove his point? If that is the case, this is the work of a evil dictator worse than Hitler or any human conqueror in history. He doesn't want us to worship him because we love him, he wants us to forever live in constant fear of him. If a guy in the next state kills someone he could just as soon drop a tornado on you and kill you whole family because you live in the same country.
Jonah: More blah, blah, fvcking blah empty proxy threats.
Your god is impotent
Fvck off
The final nail in America's coffin...
Right, fighting dumb wars and people trying to own too much crap that they can't afford is a-ok, but this, this is going to cause our downfall. I'd tell you that you are ignorant, but you already knew that.
yep, bigots dislike equal rights
Sure, david, because denying equality to people is going to preserve our nation. Either the Constitution means something or it doesn't.
Yes David you are right!
CN thinks david is right. Talk about the blind leading the blind!
I was carefully and wonderfully made
from the sperm and the egg of someone, I’ll never meet
Thanks to my daddy and daddy
for I am a catalogue baby
Mommy and mommy borrowed a sperm
from someone they never knew
That’s how I came to be
In this wonderful world.
I am proud that I am a catalogue baby
I will never know from whence I came
I came from two benevolent strangers they say
who cared to give away a part of themselves
to someone they never knew.
I will never know my mom and dad
for I am a catalogue baby
I was raised by mom and mom
and will never experience the love of a father
It's ok they say, but did they ask me for my opinion?
I was but a catalogue baby
I was raised by dad and dad
and will never experience the love of a mom
It's ok they say, but did they ask me for my opinion?
I was but a catalogue baby
🙁 🙁
There are lots of people from single-parent homes who never had a mom either. By your argument, kids raised by gay couples are better off than these kids then, is that right?
Too bad you have no experience that's relevant concerning this topic, honey. But nice try.
Does it never occur to you that there are single women out there who have children via artificial insemination? That the children of gay couples are often adopted? Do you have ANY evidence that such children suffer in any way?
Then cite it. Don't bother with your sappy lyrics, moron.
Two people loved each other enough that they want to make babies together, had to do all of the extra work to do that, and raised them in a home of love and commitment to one another and that is somehow a bad thing?
Children grow up without a father or without a mother, and even without both and turn out fine all the time.
I know of two gay couples who have children. They seem to be happy and bright, and don't seem to be suffering from any angst over their atypical families. Studies of the children of gay parents show no difference between them and children of straight couples. Can you produce any statistics to back up your assertions that these kids are somehow adversely affected?
As for knowing the love of a father or a mother, do you have any evidence that a kid growing up with two dads "misses" having a mother? Do you really think that a lesbian couple don't have any male relatives or friends that provide a role model for boys growing up in their families?
'The real Tom – I know of two gay couples who have children. They seem to be happy and bright, and don't seem to be suffering from any angst over their atypical families'
I know a lesbian couple that have 2 kids. They are well adjusted and straight A students. They are fun and full of life. Great kids all round in fact.
I have to laugh when fire and brimstone prophets talk about the doom and gloom brought upon the children of such relationships.
Catalogue: I hope you don't have kids of your own, because you don't seem to understand that parental love is not dependent on DNA.
Of course it's perfectly acceptable to fill a child's head with religious bullsh!t without asking them for their opinion.
Aww, what a precious lump of glurge. People are SO proud of the waste they grunt out.
CNN censors religious belief to push atheists liberals agenda! They do not like to read the truth!
If they censored stupidity, your posts wouldn't show up.
Really? When you post "libmorons" then yes your comments should be deleted. You are an extremist that should not even live in this country.
No fairy in the sky..............do you get it CN ?
Strong religious convictions are no excuse for misrepresenting research
The faithful can live how they choose, but not dictate to others
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/strong-religious-convictions-are-no-excuse-for-misrepresenting-research-1.1442395
Perhaps if you could present your arguments without the insults and the angry rhetoric it might not get removed.
How are your religious beliefs being censored?
I suppose you dislike this ruling
Choke on it
sorry CN but you seem to be a reviler, and those are mentioned in the bible as folks that wont get into heaven.
Better change your ways or pack light. Not my rules you understand, dont blame me for pointing out your hypocrisy.
We report your abuse as soon as you post it. CNN has very little to do with it; we are decent people and don't want to hear your bigoted ramblings. Go away.
The church of your choice is still able to limit who you choose to marry within your church. Take a deep breath and remember within your church you can be as selective as you want.
Yup, there are even pastors who still refuse to marry couples of mixed race, so bigotry is still protected as a religious right.
Ummm, no, stupid, they can't tell you who to marry. They may be able to tell you that you can't get married in that particular church, but they still can't tell you that you can't get married.
EXACTLY. The good news is that the list of open and affirming Christian churches is growing every day, as the list of churches who want to exclude gay people is dwindling.
Dear religious fanatics,
As a nation, we are moving forward into the 21st century with or without you. You are welcome to wallow in the 18th. We've come to expect that from you.
They can wallow there, but most of their children would rather move on, I suspect.
Romans 1:18-
"For the wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of those who by their wickedness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. Ever since the creation of the world His eternal power and divine nature, invisible though they are, have been understood and seen through the things he has made. So they are without excuse; for though they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to Him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools and they exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling a mortal human being or birds or four-footed animals or reptiles.
Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the degrading of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind and to things that should not be done."
"Let my worship be within the heart that rejoices, for behold, all acts of love and pleasure are my rituals. Therefore, let there be beauty and strength, power and compassion, honor and humility, mirth and reverence within you." – The Charge of the Goddess
You post your holy writ, I post mine.
Depends on what you consider "wickedness", I suppose? By Jesus's standards, most Christians, even the very conservative ones, would be "wicked" in his eyes for allowing divorce, and not selling everything that they own.
Sebastian: Quotes from iron age comic books are not very convincing
your empty proxy threats are as impotent as your god
Listen, Sebastian, I am what might be called 100% hetero. I have never felt a s.exual attraction to my same gender. I have never fought any battle against it. I do not feel a bit superior. It's just my makeup. No god necessary. No god sent anything nor gave anyone up to anything nor debased anyone.
Paul of Tarsus was a misogynistic, misanthropic zealot.
Thank you Sebastian! These people need to see this! Sodom and Gomorah were melted by GOD because of their sins!!
And there shall in that time be rumours of things going astray, and there will be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia work base, that has an attachment
…at this time, a friend shall lose his friends’s hammer and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before around eight o’clock...
"Sodom and Gomorah were melted by GOD" hahahaha.... it's hilarous watching two christian retards patting each other on the back...
I don't consider that story to be a very good example of morality.
The only person considered by God to be righteous enough to spare would happily have tossed his vir/gin daughters over to a ravenous mob to be ra/ped. The same daughters with whom he later had a drunken, inces/tuous or.gy.
Gee, that's lovely Sebastian, but perhaps you don't understand that your religion has no authority in the laws of this very secular land. You do have the right to worship the bronze age deity of your choice (or even the more modern cults of Joseph Smith or L. Ron Hubbard), but that's where it ends. The laws of this nation are tested against the Constitution, not the bible.
This is a great victory for compassion and reason. Those of us who oppose bigotry and injustice will celebrate.
" Sodom and Gomorah" Their sin was wanting to ra pe the visitors, not minding their own peaceful business. This country has plenty of laws against that kind of violent offense, so what's your problem? Go turn into a pillar of salt or something.
Would all of you religious zealots please get a life. Live and let live for a change. There has been more death and destruction caused by religious wars than other reason in history; just look at today.
In the 20th century more people were killed by atheists than by any people of faith. Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and the Kims of Korea killed millions in the name of atheism.
Hey Chris they were killed due to politics not religion. It is unbelievable how brainwashed people like you are.
Sorry should have said they weren't killed due to Atheism
Chris....
I've seen that argument against atheism so many times. It's wrong, and if you would truly study history you would see that those atrocities were committed for political reasons NOT in the "name of atheism." For atrocities committed in the name of something, please see "Christianity."
It seems Chris is typical, he confuses political paranoia with Atheism. Hey, Chris, find me one shred of proof that says those you mentioned named Atheism as the reason they killed. You need a poli-sci course or two. Over 90% of prisoners in the US identify as Christian, does that mean they committed their crimes in the name of their god? Show me one phrase, one quote, from any of those mentioned, that says they killed because they are Atheists. Good luck
"Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and the Kims of Korea killed millions in the name of atheism." You don't believe that, and you shouldn't because it isn't true. They were Communists, and "Communism" is a religion. It sure ain't a philosophy, because it's been tried and disproven over and over so many times that only religious fervor explains why people fall for it. NK is the last place it's being used, as it sort of vanished in China. But kid, if you can't tell an atheist unbeliever from a fervent Commie, you should be quiet and let the adults talk while you try to learn who the players are. Buy a program or something.
"Jesus wept" seriously people?? No Jesus is weeping about these pastors molesting little boys, men and women who are married cheating on each other, kids on drugs and killing people etc How about worrying about making this world a better place and a peaceful one at that. Equality!
I wonder how many Christians, Baptists, and etc. etc. are now going to flee to the Vatican City claiming they were persecuted when America allowed gay marriage to be legal.
They'll never leave; Italy doesn't have the same gun culture as America has. You can't act like Yosemite Sam over there and not get arrested.
Very true Rory very true.
Isn't Rainer a German citizen? He's not a citizen of the US, is he?
No one cares.
If he's not a citizen of the US, then what does he care about its laws?
People should be allowed to have an opinion no matter where they're from.
He can have an opinion; never said he couldn't. But why would he think it so important to "warn" everyone that the US will be punished by a god? Why does he care what our courts say about gay marriage?
The entire planet takes interest in our policies.
The "whole planet" doesn't behave as though the US will sink into the sea because it affords people equal rights.
That sounds like a typical religious opinion not worth the effort of reaction. Germany was relevant up until WWII. Since then they've produced nothing but overpriced vehicles.
I think he is German. And he's probably scared shitless because you know Germany will fully legalize gay marriage before the entire U.S. does.
The Real Tom: Doc Vestibule, AtheistSteve and myself are not citizens and yet we care. On a personal level I care due to caring about equal rights worldwide and the fact that I have a great many friends in the US who are not the bigoted hateful type that Rainer and his ilk are.
I'm not saying Rainer can't opine all he wants, Doc, or that only citizens can comment. I just don't get Rainer's conviction that the US is doomed and his ridiculous fervor about it.
Your postings seem awfully vindictive and you talk like you don't want people to have an opinion if it isn't your opinion. Food for some thinking ; )
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277539512001203
Someone is not happy with me this morning fake science poster above .
Or this cult.
What a joke below !!!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/22/pope-francis-atheists-can-be-good
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/12/baptist-group-urges-ouster-of-boy-scouts-execs/comment-page-14/#comment-2438636
Begin the fight?....there are many who have been fighting againt atheists for many many decades. Just look at the fifties when everyone was afraid of the "godless communists", and put that lie on our money and took the pledge of allegience away from any of we the people who do not believe in gods. The fight has been going on for years. There are those in this country that would expel atheists if they could, marriage is just another thing they would deny us, and often site that the marriage is not valid because god did not sanction it.
Behind this tendency to treat religion as a side issue in modern life, there exists a strong body of opinion that is actively hostile to Christianity and that regards the destruction of positive religion as absolutely necessary to the advance of modern culture.
And so, today, if the state can no longer appeal to the old moral principles that belong to the Christian tradition, it will be forced to create a new official faith and new moral principles which will be binding on its citizens.
Christopher Dawson 1924