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June 26th, 2013
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`Jesus wept' or tears of joy? Faithful react to gay marriage rulingsBy Daniel Burke, CNN (CNN) As news broke of the big Supreme Court rulings on gay marriage, religious leaders took to Twitter to express joyous praise or strong condemnation. http://storify.com/danielsburke/religious-reaction-to-scotus-decisions |
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God is and was and forever will be no matter the odds' makers of moral discontentment.
odds have nothing to do with the existence of god
the odds of a leaf falling on the ground from a tree in a particular spot in the woods are lower than winning the lottery so its really a matter of the 50/50 rule it either is or isn't and in the case of god most likely its in the isnt category
Why?
Why what?
LinCa
“The constitution gives you the freedom to hold, and spout, the dimwitted opinions that you have”
=>No, that freedom was a gift from God which is why Adam and Eve were free to do as they pleased yet suffer the consequence. The constitution is hardly followed thus it has no force. Constraint on what you spout or I spout is self imposed for all sorts of reasons. That authority that keeps us in check is not the constitution but a higher authority.
“The freedoms we have in the US, we have in spite of the religious, not because of them.”
=>Those freedoms are being taken away one by one as we drift away from a society ruled by eternal respected accountability towards rule of man. Men regardless of religion or lack of it fall to desire.
“It's just about equal rights. It doesn't take anything from those that oppose them.”
=>I assume you are again focused on gay marriage. In this case two brothers who love each other and want to marry but are not gay are not given the same equal rights.
“ love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, endurance and against such there is no law that has authority." You said:If following your fairy tale makes you a better person, more power to you. That doesn't mean it is inherently good.”
=>what is wrong with you? Give me one of the above that is not inherently good.
“ The discrimination against gays based on it, for instance, makes it despicable.”
=>none of the above can result in discrimination against gays.
“ A healthy skepticism is what this country needs.”
=>yours is not a healthy skepticism
And the hairy sun Freddie ?
Sorry, still not going to put a penny in your cup.
fred, you're an arrogant prick.
"that freedom was a gift from God"
No, that freedom comes from a government which is separated from your religion.
Well, fred you do like to paint your own rosy picture that is far from reality.
You have no proof; not even reasonable evidence of anything you are claiming, as usual. The ~40,000 sects of insanity have not produced the rosy picture you paint. More importantly they have disenfranchised many along the way in attempting to meet "objective" truths that they often can't agree upon. Of course, nothing in the minds of humans can be purely objective without some consensus, ergo objective morality, or objective whatever is a ludicrous notion.
fred
"that freedom was a gift from God"
As long as we never use it, right? What kind of gift is that?
It's like your Mom giving you a motorcycle for your birthday, but forbidding you ever to ride it!
God says "Do what you want, but if you do anything I don't like then I'll punish you." How much different is this from some nut job holding a gun to your head and daring you to do anything they don't want you to? Some "free" will.
fred, Freedom of speech a god-given right? Ignoring the fact that there's no evidence of a god did you ever hear of the Inquisition and what they did to people who spoke freely on a topic they disagreed with?
fred is a fucking idiot. There's just no better way to describe him.
In Santa we trust
How about lynching Paula Dean or any other white person who dare say Niger even in a proper context?
A democrat congressmen just called Clarence Thomas Uncle Thomas and gets a pass while a republican would be hung.
Mankind is the problem not religion when it comes to intolerance.
fred, you asshat, Paula DEEN can say what she chooses; that doesn't mean there won't be any consequences. How friggin' dumb are you?
Peter
"that freedom was a gift from God" you said:"As long as we never use it, right? What kind of gift is that?"
=>beginning with the first man we used that freedom to reject the things of God
"It's like your Mom giving you a motorcycle for your birthday, but forbidding you ever to ride it!"
=>wish my mom did that, but no, just like God she let go out and break bones over and over.
"God says "Do what you want, but if you do anything I don't like then I'll punish you."
=>no, you have free will to live outside the presence of God. It was not God, my mom or the motorcycle that was responsible for my irresponsibility. Broken bones were the result of me thinking I knew better
The real Tom
If you want to yell the earth is round when everyone knows it is flat you have that freedom, a gift from God. That gift allows for great creativity but, as you said there is consequence.
fred, What is the proper context to say n****r?
mama k
The odds of a kid making it in pro ball is remote regardless of the effort to follow all the rules and best authorities on the subject. Christ was the absolute and objectively the top authority. All Christians try as they may yet fall short. That does not reduce the authority or diminish the absolute moral law.
Following the way produces “ love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, endurance and against such there is no law that has authority."- The reason is because it is Divine, it is of God there is no higher authority that has yet to overrule it.
In Santa we trust
There is 'Nigger Jim,' as Twain called him to emphasize the irony of a society in which the only true gentleman was held beneath contempt.
Roger that
"No, that freedom comes from a government which is separated from your religion."
=>If they are separated from religion how is it they put so many laws on the books that discriminate against gays?
=>If they are separated from religion how is it that "In God we Trust" is plastered everywhere?
=>If they are separated from religion how is it that a president cannot be elected without a Christian cross?
=>If they are separated from religion how is it that the Supreme Court must continually slap them across their secular faces for carrying the Christian flag?
fred, You think Paula Deen used the word ironically? To emphasize what?
fred: "That does not reduce the authority or diminish the absolute moral law."
You still skirted around my point, I see.
You can talk about all kinds of human experience throughout recorded history regarding morality, but you are in no way providing evidence for anything purely objective. Objective truth, objective morality, you name it. Everything we have come to believe or accept as some kind of truth – even "1 + 1=2" has only been done so via some kind of consensus. Therefore we know of nothing that is purely objective. If you think you have something that fits that category, then, by all means, don't just say what it is – you have to say how you came by such knowledge for it to pass the test.
And fred I think for the sake of our conversation we could agree that your "absolute" equals my use of "objective".
mamma k
So, objectively you really do not know if you exist or not? Objectively you really do not know if what you see is reality or a perception of reality?
In Santa we trust
Paula Deen in a deposition said she would never use the word in a negative manner towards anyone. Just proof that no one is treated equally in the U.S. She has lost her business and life's work because someone twisted the words of a kind woman
Fred...you need to pull your head out of your ass before you completely suffocate.
fred,
Paula Deen is the "kind woman" hypocrite who pushed high-sugar diets for others while suffering from diabetes. After hiding this for years, she announced her condition when she got a sponsorship for an insulin-producing company.
Observer
I love sweets so I limit myself to just the unavoidable tasty deserts. I no longer pound down garbage sweets or candy bars etc. but a Paula Dean cinnamon roll with European butter drizzled on top is as close to heaven as I can get some days.
Man has a real hard-on for the ultimate truth. So much so, that we've killed for it. If your religion involves blood, or justified killing. Please question it.
If you were God, would you kill all the 1st born to prove a point? Women being 2nd-class citizens OK?
You're a modern human. Emmerse yourself in the world we've uncovered so far.
We dream of a day when there will be peace among all mankind.
Know Jesus, Know Peace.
No JESUS, No peace.
Simple.
We dream of a day when there will be peace among all mankind.
Know The FSM, Know Peace.
No FSM, No peace.
Simple, and delicious
Then the war starts when the peaceful Jesus-guy meets the peaceful Mohammed-guy, and they disagree on who's telling the truth about the 'truth' and they cannot come to an agreement. Later, in a struggle for ultimate power over the 'truth' many die, and the 'truth' was forever lost in the blood spilled over WHAT 'truth' would be 'THE ULTIMATE TRUTH'. Which, truthfully..... no one knows. Except the 'one true God', of course.....
But who's that?
Life is like a box of chocolates, you're never know which one you'll get.
Imagine Whirled Peas
Guest anonymous,
Do you work for a bumper sticker factory?
World peace will occur... the day after humans go extinct on this planet...
Evil Twin, Satan's son or BFF
Can't see it coming? Can you? your extinction.
Like the dinosaurs.
Dein Gott ist nutzlos ... Odin wird zurückkehren und zerkleinern die christ-Sklaven ...
MR
Evil Twin.
Speak English, you are in America.
Another illegal alien who crossed the spiritual border without a visa or passport.
Fick dich ignorant asshat ... und ich wurde in Maryland geboren ...
You are cracking me up LET.
I can understand LET and I don't even speak German.
Neither does he.
The real Tom must have left.
Who is the real Tom anyway? Seems like no one uses real names anyway.
Must be the way its done in the blogging world.
Who or what are we protecting?
Use your real names, and maybe your views will be considered worth reading.
Says the asshole name thief. What's YOUR name, tough guy?
Don't you have chores or a McJob you should be getting to?
Davey
You might want to tone it down. You McDick.
Fake Tom: Life is like a box of chocolates, you're never know which one you'll get
Did you mean "you'll"?
Sheesh. You're not even very good at trolling.
I am obviously completely fvcking crazy, hindu, filthy, secular, barking mad Mulsim nutjob
This is truth absolute !!
One sect calls homosexuality an abomination while the next one (over four million members) in the same denomination is already performing gay marriage. One sect, the Westboro Baptist Church believes Americans are being killed at war because America is too kind to "fags". Many of these sects are equally divergent on the roles of women in society.
One sect believes that Jesus and Satan were brothers and that Christ will return to Jerusalem AND Jackson County, Missouri. Some believe the Pope is the Antichrist. Some believe Obama is the Antichrist.
Some believe that celibacy is the only option for certain people, or for people in certain positions. Many of the people from these same institutions advocate against abortion, but pretend not to understand the realistic benefit of the morning after pill or even basic contraception; their unrealistic wishful thinking is causing the death of many at the hands of disease.
Recently we learned from CNN of a child dying when their parents, members of a Christian sect in Philadelphia, as part of their faith, refused medical care. When incidents like the subject of this article come to light, many Christians are only too ready to try explain how another Christian's interpretation of ancient "scripture" is not quite right. Thirty one states have child abuse religious exemption laws. Faith healing churches have been linked to 2 dozen child deaths.
Conflicted right from the start, Christianity has resulted in extreme divisions, with each division trying to assert itself as some true messenger of the word of the Christian God.
Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.
(Thomas Jefferson, from Notes on the State of Virginia, 1785)
(Over 40,000, not Ovder. The handle stealer, to whom I dedicate this post, can have the "Ovder"; lol)
Handy work of hindu Pharisees, crook secular s, self centered, and hind, stupidity of hindu ignorant human.
@ISLAM
Nope...
truth = no fairy in the sky .
Hey all bible thumpers ..............now you know it was ONLY MOM and DAD (did it).......you can let them know you
know the truth.
B – Basic
I – Instructions
B – Before
L – Leaving
E – Earth
The Creator of the heavens and the earth says know him, know the truth.
He didn't say know a minister or church or sect, know the truth.
Get it?
Start and end with GOD's word. He is the author and finisher of our faith.
Period.
BOHICA
B end
O ver
H ere
I t
C omes
A gain
Bible thumpers think outside the bible it will be nice for you !!!.................from the little blue box and the matrix.
My take: A word to Christians – Be nice – CNN Belief Blog ...
religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/09/my-take-a-word-to-christians-be...
Feb 09, 2013 · Mom and Dad.....did it faith ! ... no bible needed ! HEY HS ... Science. You know faith about all the pages that went bye bye ...
guest: we do not need an iron age comic book to know how to live morally. given that you do, stick to it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T25RAz15HnA&feature=player_embedded
Nope. Just a "god of the gaps" argument.
What seems logical to human brains has been proven NOT to be the way reality works.
Try harder, Lionly.
Guess being a bigot occurs on both sides of the debate.
We don't like JESUS, Christians, God, other religious people telling us the truth.
And, I guess the are tired of our lies.
Still stealing handles? You just broke the 9th Commandment. Afraid to post under your own unique username?
Fake Tom: "And, I guess the are tired of our lies."
Who's "the"?
The dummy can't even make the effort to appear to be the real thing.
"And, I guess the are tired of our lies." The real Tom doesn't make silly errors like this. Keep trying troll. Even when you try to imitate your betters you can't help but fall back into your poor writing skills.
LMAO!!!! Handle? Are you on a CB radio? Breaker 1 9. LOL
real Tom
Why would they want to?
handle: definition 4: Slang A person's name.
It may be a bit outdated but I don't think anyone was confused by what was meant.
Pretty obviously these "christians" aren't afraid of one day being called on the carpet for lying by God. Neither am I, for the same reason: we both know it's nonsense.
Daniel,
I meant it as a joke. I just haven't heard that since the 80's when CBs were the shlt.
Considering that you think you're clever by staling yet another person's handle and posting it backwards, I'm not surprised that you are unaware that many people use the term "handle" on these boards. Is u/n preferable to you?
People just don't have a sense of humor anymore. Why so serious all the time? Life is to short.
It's "too" short, and you're not joking.
Akira,
I could be wrong, but not. Perhaps you don't know French. I chose not to put my " Handle " as enots de MAS but rather mas enots. I really hope that that is OK with you. Don't accuse someone of something unless you get the Fact's first.
It's not French, Salero.
In french often times like with etats unis the s and the e appear to switched. states to etats, so in this case you can extrapolate to mass snot, so it could well be french.
"mass snot" would be perfect.
Or as in " 'snot French."
Nice try, but it's not French, you capitalize random words, and it's "facts", not "fact's". I will give your props for being inventive, however.
"Les langues des hommes sont plein de tromperies." that's French.
Die Zungen der Männer sind voller Tücke
So true LET. Thanks for an easy puzzle!
There is no apostrophe in "facts"
Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk
There is no "truth absolute". If that were the case, a god would be subject to a system which it did not create.
At the very least the "truth" would have to be relative to what god creates.
You need to check on Euthyphro's Dilemma. Educated people know what that is.
The stupid Hindis prolly not so much.
No need to read some ones hinduism, absurdity, nothing can exist without truth absolute, such as life, one has to be in hind, blindness to deny existence and power of truth absolute GOD, HE is not subject to truth, but truth HIMSELF.
@ISLAM
Nope..
...that the Islamabot can speak/write perfectly lucidly when he has the mind to. Persona slipped, huh?
And not for the first time has the persona slipped.
If he IS truth, then there has to way a assess that. That proves that if god IS truth, and it has any meaning "truth absolute" exists as a meaningful term outside of your god. Otherwise you are just saying truth is truth, or god is god. If you are going to say "god is truth", they exist separately, or your words or meaningless. If they exists separately, truth and god are not the same, and she did not create truth, or the external meaning was absent. Can't have it both ways.
Future generations will probably look over the 'Comments' section related to articles like this one, to gauge the thoughts of the people from that particular time period. Long after religion's influence over reason. I can hear scores of future generations laughing at our 'adult reasoning' of the world around us.
Especially if they read Fred or lol??.
I agree with your prediction. In just a few decades, this will be such a non-issue that people will be incredulous it caused such a stir.
As for "fred", I suspect that he is posing as a religious zealot just for sh!ts and giggles. He doesn't believe a word he posted.
@The real Tom – Yea, he's probably a fake. No conviction in his words.
This ruling should have zero impact on those that believe in God...if this ruling causes one to lose their faith, it was not very strong to begin with.
This is much ado about nothing.
Conviction defined as the act of convincing a person of error or of compelling the admission of a truth.
Truth, JESUS is Lord of lords, King of kings, Prince of Peace, Everlasting Almighty God.
Who gave his life so we can live.
Who reigns forever more.
The alpha and omega, beginning without end, Savior of mankind,
And coming back soon.
Creator of all things, seen and unseen.
Faithful and true.
The way, truth and life – abundantly.
The Name above all names.
Truth be told, I didn't realize you were unaware of this truth.
Now you know.
So, what will you do with this truth? And JESUS?
Decisions are tough, courage is lacking, it will take faith.
God loves you! Know that! He is waiting for your answer. Today.
Conviction defined as the act of convincing a person of error or of compelling the admission of a truth.
Truth, JESUS is Lord of lords, King of kings, Prince of Peace, Everlasting Almighty God. But we all know God is a lie.
Who gave his life so we can live? Nobody.
Who reigns forever more? Nobody.
The alpha and omega, beginning without end, Savior of mankind? Savior from what? I don't know, I just make shlt up.
And coming back soon? He would have to have been here to be able to come back.
Creator of all things, seen and unseen? That is the definition of my imagination.
Faithful and true? Faithful yes, true, not so much.
The way, truth and life – abundantly? My way, my truth, abundance for me please.
The Name above all names? Whats in a name anyway when you can change it to put words in your opponents mouth?
So, what will you do with my lies? And JESUS?
Decisions are tough, courage is lacking, it will take faith, aka fake reasoning to reach my conclusions.
So, little admirer, you love god but bear false witness?
Well, good, name-stealer. I am glad you faith has not wavered. I am sure that Jesus approves of you breaking the 9th on a regular basis, too. Just doing what a good, faithful chameleon does, right? Pay lip service while sinning yourself?
Declare and proclaim all you wish, fake TrT, I'm still not going to buy a pencil from your cup.
Stuck in time and space.
We can all agree, each of you have broken the 10 commandments.
Using your logic.
Believe what one wants but remember to have you life in order when you cross over the deadness border.
Stop boxing with the smart people. Your arms are WAY too short.
When your brain cells die, you are dead.
There is no mechanism for continual consciousness after deoxygenation occurs.
Humans cannot accept the fact that they are mortal.
Dead is dead.
Fvck you and your threats, LL
any good youtube videos out there? I'm a big fan of penn & teller and derren brown but I've seen all of their stuff
anything else like it?
Daniel Dennett
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=oh_IbZo7_VI
thanks mama – and lamb is that some religious based video?
so i watched it and it wasnt bad but 240p? why would they do that?
Sly,
No it's not. The video is based upon a scientific theory called "Fractal Cosmology".
I don't think Jesus "wept" except for those poor souls who professed hate instead of love. Just guessing, but a guy who hung around with, ate and slept with 12 other dudes in the desert probably wouldn't have a problem with modern guys doing it.The guys who wrote about not masturbating didn't do so until long after Jesus died, so I doubt he saw that as a rule and I'm sure he discovered that in his teens, just like every guy does.
Why are the religionauts acting like troops of gay commandos are going to storm their churches and force the shamans to perform gay marriage ceremonies at gun point?
Whatever sorts of supernatural nonsense you want to believe should not have any bearing on secular law.
There are plenty of people who are legally married and yet "living in sin" in the eyes of one church or another – like everybody who divorced and remarried.
Well, Doc, "fred" was quite insistent that he was happy about the ruling, so who knows what goes on in their pea-brains?
Doc,
Because they dont understand that marriage, as defined by the bible, is between ONE mand and as many wives and concubines as they can support. Dont you know that this will ruin the traditional definition of marriage?
They can't say it publicly, but in their secret meetings they will talk about how this is just one moer thing to make them more morral and better than the rest of us.
Truth be told, don't be surprised by the outrageous number of G & L attending church this weekend.
Next, law suits by ACLU.
Finally, victory for the sinners – church pastors go to jail, bankrupt churches by numerous law suits, Christians personally sued, lose their jobs or businesses, and the good part is
GOD IS NOT SURPRISED AND STILL ON HIS THRONE IN HEAVEN.
Love to see sinners repenting. Comes to JESUS while there is still time.
"Truth be told, don't be surprised by . . ."
The cowardly handle-stealer is hot today. I'm guessing it is hungry for more of mama's posts. Okee dokee.
Fake Mama K: nonsense.
Nobody is persecuting Christians, unless, of course, it's other Christians.
And of course many Xtians in the U.S. have always cried persecution.
Ben Franklin (in London, from a letter to The London Packet, 3 June 1772):
If we look back into history for the character of present sects in Christianity, we shall find few that have not in their turns been persecutors, and complainers of persecution. The primitive Christians thought persecution extremely wrong in the Pagans, but practised it on one another. The first Protestants of the Church of England, blamed persecution in the Roman church, but practised it against the Puritans: these found it wrong in the Bishops, but fell into the same practice themselves both here and in New England.
Straight, white, Christian, land-owning, married males have never got a fair chance in America.
They weren't even allowed to vote in federal elections until 1776!
One day the US will finally be tolerant enough to elect an openly Christian, straight, white, married male President.
...body buried, Jeffrey?
I don't think anyone is fooled by the faux poster that is: faith, lol??, bethany, fake science, jboom, salero21, real wisdom, hitler did nothing wrong, nice try, lionlylamb, vic, austin, atheism is not healthy and many many more.
It is funny to watch for the same spelling errors though, and I love the short hand they use along with words like "no" when they mean "know".
The thing I can't decide on is whether they are a real conservative moron or a non-believer poe making fun of religion.
Daniel, if you include "fred" in that list (at least the "fred" that appeared here earlier), I believe it's a poe who isn't religious at all and is here to stir the pot.
"Where's the...
...body buried, Jeffrey?" I put mine under the hogpen to keep the smell covered. Bubba uses the chicken run. Same results.
All the "god" arguments are 100 % irrelevant.
The US is not a theocracy.
Get over it.
your post is irrevelant
You want to live in a theocracy, move to Iran. We" see how that works out for ya.
@Sly
I know you are, but what am I?
Neener, neener, neener. Nanny, nanny, boo boo.
(just addressing you at the level of conversational maturity you have established).
hinduism, denial of truth absolute is irrelevant.
you people make a lot of assumptions
do you come online specifically to throw your little rage fits or is it just a result of not getting your way
There is no "truth absolute". If that were the case, a god would be subject to a system which it did not create.
At the very least the "truth" would have to be relative to what god creates.
You need to check on Euthyphro's Dilemma. Educated people know what that is.
The stupid Hindis prolly not so much.
Give it up, Doc. Looks like sly is never going to address anything specifically.
@ISLAM
Nope.
what do I need to address? someone said that 100% of arguments are irrelevant so who can argue with that so i replied with the same since it seemed like the cool trendy thing to do
then doc jumped in to toss his own salad but didn't really say anything at all so what can i say to that einstein?
Context, sly, context:
- article
- claim
- theocracy
Stop boxing with the Creator of the heavens and earth. That includes America.
Your arms are too short.
fake mama: "Stop boxing with the Creator . . ."
Aww, the cowardly handle-stealer is really fond of me I guess. It really must be bothered by the posts from the real me!
context has no bearing when making a statement of absolutes
if its absolute then it most certainly cant be debated
True, sly. Then argue back as such, but to show contextually why the absolute is most likely unfounded. Further empty cat-and -mouse replies accomplish nothing.
why do i need to argue? im an atheist
I say let gay people have marriage if it bothers you that much and you can call your union something else.
I suggest "BS"
(Bond of "Souls")
not everyone likes bondage
Marriage has changed countless times in human history, even in the Bible.
There is no reason it cannot accommodate another change.
Human culture is not static. Never was, never will be.
Why WOULD it bother them so much? Other people getting married and divorced has never hurt my marriage, which has lasted decades with no problems. As long as they don't do it in the road and scare the horses, I don't care, and yes, people do ride horses down my road. Marry your barking dog if you absolutely must, but it won't matter to me. The only reason for all this fuss that makes sense is that they would never have married a woman if they had been allowed to marry a man instead, right? How else could it 'destroy marriage?'
Mama is sadly mistaken today.
Doesn't know the truth.
Can't accept it only rejects it.
Maybe mama k can change.
With JESUS helping, all things are possible.
Is there some reason you feel the need to dishonestly steal someone's handle?
Aww – I guess I have to take this handle-stealing as a compliment. Something that you can't tie to facts is really bothering you obviously. Such a cowardly ploy.
And oh yes there are all kinds of conflict possible with Jesus. Xtians are a terribly conflicted bunch. Would you like some examples?
Why is it that the most fervent Christians can't resist embellishing their stories and misrepresenting themselves? You end up acting like loonies and wondering why we aren't convinced.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0-04VDrCbM
Let their bigotry be encoded for all of history to look back on and see and laugh at.
People that don't care about truth don't care 'bout no stinkin' history. Quote some myth gods, dude.
Pay no attention to the Lollipop, Nathan. It's a Belief Blog Bag of Bile regular.
The mediators for my posts are comin' out of the woodwork, errr closets.
Nathan forgive my ignorance.
There are no moderators. You are paranoid, (and too stupid to learn about Word Press rules).
"Nathan forgive my ignorance."
That's the cowardly handle-stealer, Nathan.