June 27th, 2013
01:32 PM ET

Not all religious convictions are written in stone

Editor's Note: Rachel Held Evans is the author of "Evolving in Monkey Town" and "A Year of Biblical Womanhood." She blogs at rachelheldevans.com

By Rachel Held Evans, Special to CNN

(CNN) - There’s a misconception among many faithful folks that religious convictions, by their very nature, are set in stone.

People who change their minds are called flip-floppers or backsliders, accused of capitulating to culture and “conforming to the world.”

But some of the most recognizable names in the Christian story experienced changes of heart: Paul, Augustine, Martin Luther, C.S. Lewis and Madeleine L'Engle.

In my own life, questions and doubts have served as refining fires that keep my faith hot and alive and bubbling where certainty would only freeze it on the spot.

I’ve changed my mind about a lot of things—the age of the Earth, the reality of climate change, the value of women in church leadership, the equal failings of both the Republican and Democratic platforms to embody the teachings of Jesus.

Like a lot of evangelicals, I grew up in a religious environment that vilified LGBT people.

I remember attending a Christian conference in which liberals were derisively referred to as FOGS (friends-of-gays). I laughed along with the speaker, albeit nervously, dismissing the voice in my head reminding me that Jesus was ridiculed for his choice of friends, too.

Today, I am honored to be the friend of many LGBT people, and I celebrated along with them as Exodus International closed its doors and as the Supreme Court ruled the Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional.

I know sometimes it seems like evangelical Christians are unyielding and unwilling to change, but as I scrolled through my Facebook feed this week, I saw a mixture of responses from my Christian friends — some joyful and some dismayed.

I noticed that several friends who had been at that very same conference so many years ago boasted red equal signs as their profile pictures.

In his book “Velvet Elvis,” Rob Bell writes:

“Times change. God doesn’t, but times do. We learn and grow, and the world around us shifts, and the Christian faith is alive only when it is listening, morphing, innovating, letting go of whatever has gotten in the way of Jesus and embracing whatever will help us be more and more the people God wants us to be.”

A person of conviction is not one who is unyielding to change, but one whose beliefs evolve based on new information, new movements of the Spirit, new biblical insights and, yes, new friends.

There’s a story in the New Testament about a Roman centurion named Cornelius, whose fear of God and care for the poor was widely known among the people.

After receiving a vision from God, Cornelius sends for the apostle Peter, who agrees to meet with him, even though it was forbidden for a Jew to associate with a Gentile.

Peter, an observant Jew, had been wrestling with the idea of including Gentiles in the church. But when he encounters the sincere faith of Cornelius, he is moved to declare, “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right!”

He tells the skeptical people who have gathered outside, “God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean.”

Peter changed his mind, and the church would never be the same.

Despite deeply held religious convictions regarding circumcision and dietary restrictions, he led the way in opening the doors of the church to all who would enter, regardless of ethnicity, gender, socioeconomic status or religious background.

We can learn a lot from Peter — not only from his inclusiveness, but also from his willingness to change his mind.

Like Peter, God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean. And that I should not think so highly of myself as to assume I’ve got this faith thing all figured out.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Rachel Held Evans.

- CNN Belief Blog

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  1. Shannon

    LCC...I bet there are beer and tobacco stains on your wife beater T-shirt and that you fall asleep with more than one unwashed dog. Show some respect for women.

    June 28, 2013 at 9:05 pm |
  2. Austin

    thats disrespectful!

    June 28, 2013 at 8:50 pm |
  3. LIGHT

    He created the heavens and the earth truthfully. He rolls the night over the day, and rolls the day over the night… (39:5)

    The Arabic word for “roll” is “yukewiru.” The word is used to depict the act of wrapping a turban around someone’s head. This word was also used in the sense of overlapping of the night and day and vice versa. The reason for the day’s turning into night and the night’s turning into day is due to the spheroid form of the earth. In this verse also we observe implied the sphericity of the world.

    During the Prophet’s lifetime it was impossible to scientifically determine the correct view. The scientific demonstration of the statements of the Quran was only possible after the lapse of a millennium. Why were these scientific explanations in the Quran-beyond the comprehension of the Prophet’s contemporaries, contradicting the hypotheses prevalent at the time and likely to cause harm to their messenger, certainly being of no benefit to him? We see that the Quran’s objective is to tell the truth at all costs. The fact that these phenomena could be explained thanks to the advance of science one thousand years later testifies to the universal address of the Quran and its character; it addresses not only its own time, but also the entirety of humanity until the end of the world.

    When the astronomers went to space, they bore witness to this statement of the Quran and took photographs. The face of the world facing the sun was day, while the other side was night. The rotation of the world around its own axis made the night and day alternate, and in some parts the transition from day to night took place simultaneously.

    The phenomena related to the roundness of the world and the succession of days and nights are the sine qua non conditions of our life on earth. Had our world not been of a spherical shape, had night and day not succeeded each other thanks to its rotation, life on the face of the earth exposed to heat would be extinct and in the portion left in the shade vegetation would not thrive. God’s omniscience, omnipotence and art, His perfect design of everything, and the miraculous character of the Book are better understood as we contemplate them.

    Facts are working, truth is talking, but those disbelievers living in another world

    June 28, 2013 at 3:08 pm |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care

      If there is anything in the quran that is scientifically acurate it is purely by accident.

      Or are you saying that fresh water and salt water dont mix?

      June 28, 2013 at 3:48 pm |
  4. Honey Badger Don't Care

    Why would religious convictions be written in stone?

    You have 66 books written by over 100 anonymous authors with many different translations for political reasons.

    You have over 30,000 different sects of xtianity all worshiping the characters from this work of fiction.

    How could any of these cafeteria xtians believe the same thing day to day?

    June 28, 2013 at 3:05 pm |
    • Shannon

      Why are you so confused. Human beings believe individually whatever they want to, Christian or otherwise. That's why this whole article is in the "opinion" section. You know what they say about opinions.

      June 28, 2013 at 9:03 pm |
  5. tony

    Most American marketing departments and corporate attorneys think the 9 th commandment was written in dry ice

    June 28, 2013 at 2:45 pm |
    • Trinka

      I have to agree. Most Christians have that problem, also, judging from the majority of posts here by them.

      June 28, 2013 at 3:08 pm |
  6. Ed

    For a Christian the conviction is in God's word, not your opinion.

    June 28, 2013 at 1:32 pm |
    • So

      So what you're saying is that Hitler is in heaven because he believed in John 3:16.

      June 28, 2013 at 2:00 pm |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care

      It's all opinion. You either believe what your parents or priest taught you about the bible or you believe what you think is the truth.

      It's all opinion.

      June 28, 2013 at 3:06 pm |
    • Delenn

      Including what you just said Honey.
      See, you are no different than the religious people on here 🙂

      June 28, 2013 at 4:24 pm |
    • James

      80% of our day to day came from "opinion" really

      June 28, 2013 at 6:17 pm |
    • G to the T

      And yet your interpretation of it is wholly based on opinion so.... there you go!

      July 3, 2013 at 10:32 am |
  7. Rev. Rick

    Quoting from the article: "There’s a misconception among many faithful folks that religious convictions, by their very nature, are set in stone." Well, yes. That's the reason they are called "convictions".

    Having been born into a conservative Christian family myself, I can tell you that the convictions of 99% of my family have not budged, and indeed they are set in stone that's just as unyielding as the proverbial stone tablets of the 10 Commandments. I use the number 99% because I fall into that 1% whose "convictions" have changed – or perhaps I should say that for me, they may never have actually been convictions at all. For some reason, even as a young boy, conservative Christianity just never felt "normal". Of course I went along with it mostly for the sake of my parents and my family – I didn't want to rock the boat that I was born in. Now however, years later, I am an ordained non-denominational minister, but I DO NOT take the Bible literally. To my family, I am simply odd, and I am considered "outside the fold" with regard to my faith. But that's okay. I still love them.

    June 28, 2013 at 12:14 pm |
    • So

      So do you think Hitler is in heaven because he believed in John 3:16?

      June 28, 2013 at 1:30 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Can you show where Hitler categorically believed that Scripture?

      June 28, 2013 at 1:34 pm |
    • Can

      Can you show that Hitler didn't? Assume he DID, then is he in heaven?

      June 28, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
    • Rev. Rick

      @So – I have no idea what Hitler believed, nor where he ended up. I am not qualified to make those judgments. However, I do not believe there is a Hell, nor do I believe in an evil deity call the devil or Satan.

      June 28, 2013 at 1:39 pm |
  8. children of Israel

    The Devil is cunning so subtle, Satan himself and his army of legions. They run to and fro towards religion, the serpent witchcraft. *Revelation 18:23 for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. (Psalm 106:37) *1st Samuel 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king. *1st John 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

    June 28, 2013 at 11:13 am |
    • LinCA

      @children of Israel

      Did you take your medication today?

      June 28, 2013 at 11:17 am |
    • Akira

      Coi sounds just like kevobx to me. Perhaps a name change?

      June 28, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
    • meifumado

      Please stay away from children.
      You seem to suffer from severe delusions and could possibly be a threat to society.

      Seek help now.

      June 28, 2013 at 1:08 pm |
    • children of Israel

      Lin, haven't you been laid this week yet?

      June 28, 2013 at 1:45 pm |
    • LinCA

      @children of Israel

      You said, "Lin, haven't you been laid this week yet?"
      I've had plenty of sex. Why do you ask? You want some? Are you male or female?

      June 28, 2013 at 10:34 pm |
  9. children of Israel

    Mankind painted a red portrait of Jesus Christ with blond hair and blue eyes, why? To make the world follow Satan *John 1:18 No man has seen God at any time; (Matthew 8:11) *Exodus 24:10 And they saw the God of Israel: *Genesis 49:12 His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk. *Revelation 1:14 and his eyes were as a flame of fire: *Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire. *Jeremiah 5:14 Wherefore thus saith the Lord God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them. *Revelation 9:20 which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: (Obadiah 18 for the Lord hast spoken it.)

    June 28, 2013 at 10:48 am |
    • meifumado

      Thor and Loki was journeying to Utgard, a city of Jötunheim. On their journey they were given lodging from a poor farmer, named Egil, and his family. The peasant had a son named Thialfi and a daughter named Roskva. Thor killed his two magical goats, and skinned it. After supper, Thor tossed the whole bones of the goat on the goat hides, and told the family not to touch the bones. As the guests slept, Thialfi was still hungry, took the thighbone, split it and sucked the marrow out.

      In the morning, Thor woke up and cast a spell using the Mjollnir, and brought both goats back to life. However one of the goats was crippled. Astonished and terrified by the event, Egil offered Thialfi and Roskva in bondage as servants, to appease the angry god.

      June 28, 2013 at 1:28 pm |
  10. children of Israel

    What is a talking snake? That is a person that is worshipping the serpent. Are people called snakes in the grass? *Genesis 49:16-17 Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel. Dan shall be a serpent by the way,

    June 28, 2013 at 10:23 am |
    • meifumado

      So Thor took his new bondservants with him in their journey to Utgard. They had to take shelter for the night in the huge forest. They found what was a deserted building and found themselves a place to sleep.

      At midnight, they were wakened by an earthquake that shook the whole building. They heard some more rumbling and groaning.

      At dawn Thor went out and discovered the cause of the noises. Thor found a sleeping giant, not far where they took shelter. The giant's snoring was deafening.

      Thor was about to attack with the Mjollnir until the giant woke up and stood up. For once, Thor was afraid to attack a giant, because it stood many time taller than any giant he had ever seen.

      The giant was called Skrymir and he seemed to be a friendly enough giant. Thor also discovered that they were not sleeping in a building, but in Skrymir's immense glove.

      Skrymir recognised Thor and told the thunder-god that he would like travel with them. Thor did not make any objection. Actually Thor would never consider arguing over the issue with a giant as tall as Skrymir.

      When they stopped for a night, Skrymir told he would like to sleep. The snoring was so loud that Thor swung his mighty, but very small, hammer at Skrymir's head. Skrymir woke and asked Thor did foliage of leaf fall on his head.

      At midnight Thor and his other companions could not sleep, because the Skrymir was snoring so loudly that the whole forest shook. Again, Thor irritably struck the sleeping giant, dead-centre of crown of his head. Skrymir woke and asked Thor did an acorn fall on his head. Thor fearfully replied that he just only woken up and told the giant to back to sleep.

      Thor was determined that the next time he struck the giant, Skrymir would not wake up. By morning, Thor was becoming very irritable from not getting any sleep last night. Thor once again struck Skrymir, this time on the temple, with all his might.

      Again, the Mjollnir did not harm Skrymir, who woke up and asked if some stick had fallen on his face while he was sleeping. Thor finally admitted it was futile trying to kill this enormous giant.

      Skrymir decided that they should go their separate ways, and gave them direction to Utgard. Thor thought that he would be happy to never see Skrymir again.

      June 28, 2013 at 1:31 pm |
    • What's

      What's Dan's last name just in case I know him?

      June 28, 2013 at 1:32 pm |
  11. children of Israel

    Are you lost sleep or goats? *2nd Kings 23:5 them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven. (Revelation 8:4) *Jude 11* *Ezekiel 8:16 and they worshipped the sun toward the east. *Psalm 106:28 They joined themselves also unto Baal peor, and ate the sacrifices of the dead. *Nehemiah 13:2 howbeit our God turned the curse into a blessing. *Isaiah 1:13 incense is an abomination unto me; (Matthew 25:33)

    June 28, 2013 at 10:13 am |
    • laststonecarver

      I choose sleep deprivation, over being the scape goat –
      regardless of what Dan the serpant says –

      June 28, 2013 at 10:26 am |
    • meifumado

      Thor and his companions arrived at Utgard. Utgarda-Loki was the king of the giants.

      Utgarda-Loki told them he would allow them stay at Utgard, if they had any special skill. Loki declared he could out-eat any giant. Loki ate all of the meat from the bone, but his rival named Logi, ate meat, bone and even the trencher. Obviously Loki lost to Logi.

      Then Thialfi challenged the giant in a foot race, but he lost all three races against the giant named Hugi, each time doing worse than the last time.

      Next, Thor challenged them a drinking contest. Utgarda-Loki had a servant bring out a long drinking horn. Anyone able to empty the horn in one draught would be considered a great drinker, and a good drinker in two draughts.

      Try as he might, Thor could not empty the horn in one draught. The frustrated thunder-god couldn't even finish it in two or even three draughts.

      Thor was becoming quite belligerent, preferring to fight someone. Utgarda-Loki challenged Thor if could lift a large cat. Thor struggled and tried to lift the large cat off the ground, but failed. All he succeeded was lifting one of the cat's legs.

      Thor insisted on fighting someone. Utgarda-Loki, however, sent an old crone named Elli to wrestle with Thor. Thor could not even move the crone, but the old woman managed to pull him off balance.

      Thor was ready to bash the giant for the embarrassment, but Utgarda-Loki placating offered the angry god and his companions a place to sleep.

      In the morning, after Thor and his friends ate their breakfast, the king of the giants took them outside of Utgard.

      Utgarda-Loki revealed the truth of the events of the last few days. Utgarda-Loki told Thor that he was Skrymir, the giant they met in the forest.

      Skrymir was actually an illusion. Had Thor struck right on the mark, he would have killed Utgarda-Loki. The contestants that Thor and his companions had compete against, were also illusions.

      Loki did not lose the eating contest to a giant (Logi), but to a wildfire. While Thialfi raced against Utgarda-Loki's thought, not the giant Hugi.

      The other end of drinking horn was out in the sea. What Thor was drinking was the sea. The level of the sea had actually dropped considerably from Thor's deep draughts.

      As for the cat. Well, one of the cat's legs, Thor managed to lift off the ground was actually the tail of the Midgard Serpent. And the old crone (Elli) Thor was wrestling with, was nothing but "old age" itself.

      Utgarda-Loki was really quite amazed what Thor managed to achieve. Utgarda-Loki told Thor to leave Jötunheim. He told Thor that he would protect his domain again with deception and illusion if the thunder-god ever returned.

      Thor was outraged by the deception, and would have killed Utgarda-Loki, had the giant not vanished out of thin air. Thor was going to storm Utgard, but the castle also vanished. Thor had no choice but to return home.

      June 28, 2013 at 1:34 pm |
  12. Carrie-Anne Brennan

    And I shall say unto thee that I actually bore the witness of thy kingdom of god in the misist of the clouds this year on the 23/3/2013 to this I can say we are in the presence of god the father the son and thy Holy Spirit that I proclaim to as a true witness to my tesamony in that of 3 witnesses and its is to your advantage u belive that god has a plane to salvation the glory that he be holds to eternal life xx

    June 28, 2013 at 7:53 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      You're simply one more gullible fool...not much more.

      June 28, 2013 at 7:58 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      I too witnessed the supernatural while up in the misty clouds.
      I tried to alert my wife and the flight crew to the gremlin crawling around outside the airplane, but becuase I'd just come out of the sanitarium a few months before, nobody believed me.
      To save everyone on board, I had to steal a gun from a sleeping cop, open the emergency exit and shoot the hairy green ba/stard.

      June 28, 2013 at 8:06 am |
    • lol??

      Look at me
      I'm as helpless as a kitten up a tree
      And I feel like I'm clinging to a cloud
      I can't understand
      I get misty just holding your hand

      Walk my way
      And a thousand violins begin to play
      Or it might be the sound of your hello
      That music I hear
      I get misty the moment you're near

      You can say that you're leading me on
      But it's just what I want you to do
      Don't you notice how hopelessly I'm lost
      That's why I'm following you


      June 28, 2013 at 8:38 am |
    • lol??

      Look out, CLINT!!! Don't play that song!!

      June 28, 2013 at 8:41 am |
    • mama k

      How do people find the Belief Blog so quickly after escaping a mental ward? It just seems like this is happening all too frequently lately.

      June 28, 2013 at 8:58 am |
    • tallulah13

      Okay, LOL. That made me LOL.

      June 28, 2013 at 10:04 am |
    • Akira

      Doc, wasn't that a Twilight Zone episode?

      June 28, 2013 at 2:27 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      A classic one! "Terror at 20,000 Feet".
      William Shatner was in the original TV episode and John Lithgow played it in the movie

      June 28, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
    • lol??

      Dude draws a wheel for a plane so it can land safely.

      "A courageous young World War II gunner and aspiring cartoonist, trapped in the belly of a B-17 aircraft, has only his imagination as a force that might be able to save him."

      Amazing Stories: Season 1, Episode 5
      The Mission (3 Nov. 1985)

      June 28, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
    • lol??

      The only thing I remember about that one doc, was the gremlin, named after a green car. Couldn't remember the plot.

      June 28, 2013 at 2:54 pm |
  13. Carrie-Anne Brennan

    How about this verily verily I say to that thee havens and earth shall not depart un-till thy kingdom of god has come ?

    June 28, 2013 at 7:45 am |
    • laststonecarver

      Folk singer Richie Havens, the opening act at the 1969 Woodstock music festival, died on Monday, April 22, 2013, of a heart attack at age 72 –
      – So i guess you're all set –

      June 28, 2013 at 10:12 am |
  14. lol??

    Muhammad was a Unitarian prophet who was always learnin' sumpin' new and made his dough the ol' fashioned way. When he got rich he wanted to be a leader like the nouveau riche do in ye ol' USA. The rest of the story is written in blood.

    June 28, 2013 at 7:07 am |
  15. LIGHT

    For those atheists who don't believe in anything, and for Christians who don't believe in Quran please read this:

    Do not these disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were an integrated mass, which We then split, and from water We made all living things? Will they not believe even then? (21:30)

    With power did We construct Heaven. Verily, We are expanding it. (51:47)

    On that day We will fold the heaven, like the folding of a book. Just as We initiated the first creation, We will revert it. This is Our promise. We will certainly fulfill it. (21:104)

    The greatness of the Quran, which stated 1400 years ago that the universe was created from the one primordial wholeness(which we are calling the big bang theory), that it expanded, and that it would shrink back -at a time when all scientific evidence was lacking- is understood better today with the advance of science and the discovery of the mystery of the universe.

    See how Quran is talking about the past, the present and the future of the universe very accurately where no else can do it.

    Now show us what did the Earth or the Nature said to us.

    Now tell us how can you deny it?

    June 28, 2013 at 7:01 am |
    • Observer

      "the heavens and the earth were an integrated mass which We then split"

      How can anyone deny it? Easy. There is ZERO PROOF.

      June 28, 2013 at 7:28 am |
    • Carrie-Anne Brennan

      I confess god creates all –the holy Quran as u have is in text but it be to thee I have received the miraculous nature of the Quran lies in the knowlage which it contains –Allah the exalted said ?
      But Allah beareth witness that what he hath sent unto thee he hath sent with his( own) knowledge ? Quran 4:166
      He wondered - how thy profit Mohammad 1400 years ago Allah bless him and grant him peace did he not for tell of this profecy to all or did u not read in you holy Quran the accuracy and detail - it's to you all even a scientist came to transalte what was profocized only in thy last 30 years but your culture received it threw your profit Mohammad over 1400 years ago I recon its time to kick back relax and let thee land have peace ? A cuzz no more fusses a put all weapons down enjoy life and your families and happy days a rebuild thy land not destroy thy land ? Welcome to thy new age peace be with you all amen xxremember love thyself as you would thy neighbour

      June 28, 2013 at 7:33 am |
    • laststonecarver

      @LIGHT – break some of it down,
      For those atheists who don't believe in anything, –
      – such as this explanation of an interpretation –

      and for Christians who don't believe in Quran please read this: –
      – as adverse to Christians, who do believe in Quran –

      Do not these disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were an integrated mass, –
      – most likely the disbelievers weren't there, when the heavens and earth were an intergrated mass – you can imagine it though?, right? – the stars and planets and the moons and the earth, one big mass, yup maybe....wait...nevermind...

      which We then split, –
      – I for one, was not part of We –

      and from water We made all living things? –
      – bloop.... I made a platypus... what next? –

      Will they not believe even then? (21:30) –
      – I don't even believe I made a platypus – so I guess not –

      With power did We construct Heaven. Verily, We are expanding it. (51:47) –
      – implying that We 'humans' created Heaven, and are making it larger – I still was not part of We –

      June 28, 2013 at 7:49 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Light: Congrats on being able to quote a book that was written to fool the gullible. I'm not convinced and I will deny your god and any other god that may be claimed due to the complete lack of evidence for it. You may need an imaginary friend to get you through the day, some of us simply are not so weak.

      June 28, 2013 at 7:56 am |
    • Saraswati

      What I see is a great example of how someone can read life stories from tea leaves. You can find lines like in any religious text that can be read and twisted until you think they say what you want them to say. You might want to read up on delusional disorders to see how people with these kinds of obsessive convictions will twist any evidence to defend their beliefs. Not all religious folk do this, but reading ancient texts like this as predicting modern science is very standard delusional behavior. It is confirmation bias gone mad.

      I wish I could help you, but if you do actually bother to do the research you'll see that there is rarely a cure for this type of thinking. No matter what evidence you are given you will spin and respin your web. I just hope you are happy and not hurting others.

      June 28, 2013 at 10:27 am |
    • meifumado

      Please seek help for your insanity.

      June 28, 2013 at 2:06 pm |
    • Lawrence

      Quoting from any religious text in an attempt to persuade non-believers is completely pointless; since they do not believe what your text says, nothing it contains will be at all persuasive.

      June 28, 2013 at 2:44 pm |
  16. saggyroy

    "A person of conviction is not one who is unyielding to change, but one whose beliefs evolve based on new information..." Newer information? I did not know there was a newer testement.

    June 28, 2013 at 6:12 am |
    • Carrie-Anne Brennan

      Wow to u who are not blind amen

      June 28, 2013 at 6:32 am |
    • Carrie-Anne Brennan

      What conviction do u bring forth xx

      June 28, 2013 at 6:50 am |
    • Observer

      Carrie-Anne Brennan,

      Not everyone believes in unicorns and talking animals and that the earth suddenly stopped spinning for a day.

      June 28, 2013 at 6:53 am |
  17. lol??

    Killler mommie sayz, "......................Today, I am honored to be the friend of many LGBT people, and I celebrated along with them................." Party, party, party.

    Is the little woeman married?? She needs to run her wacky doctrines past her head. BTW, did she gwow up as an orphan in the Socie puppy mills?? You know, the War on Poverty trojan horse, disguised as, "Hi, we be from da gubmint and are here to help!!"??

    June 28, 2013 at 6:10 am |
    • Carrie-Anne Brennan

      All good cuz I have all I need but thanks and no this lost sheep found her lamb should I say my shepeared actually I wasn't an orphan I was self thought being the fact my parents I'm sure my parents forgot about me some were along the road so I'm self thought –I wish I was more holy but it is threw making mistakes that faith in revelation brought me to seek god an ask for forgiveness to that he appeared in a vision to then showed me threw the holy scriptures the I read I was granted unity and was saved whoop whoop amenxx

      June 28, 2013 at 6:42 am |
    • midwest rail

      It's always a good day when you wake up to the insane ramblings of lol??.

      June 28, 2013 at 7:13 am |
    • Jerry

      When you admit that you are a misogynist, lol??, and that you truly hate women and think they are inferior, you will see that it perverts your whole way of thinking and you can go forward and get some help.
      Your own mother must have hurt you deeply to have such a dim view of women, especially other Christian women such as RHE, who exemplifies Christian womanhood.
      You are living in the wrong era. The middle ages would have been perfect for you.
      I suggest you seek help for your hatred of women, particularly because you would not be here without one.
      Hint: help cannot be found in the OT.
      Your posts are offensive to women everywhere.

      June 28, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
    • lol??

      Are you the same JERRY that thinks Hillary still uses KOTEX??

      June 28, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
  18. Carrie-Anne Brennan

    No offence to your profit Mohamed but he was long gone bro and it was jesus the for filled the profecy and became the saviour and was crucified and nailed to the cross from brutality of man which he claimed to have come to prove in the power of sinners was betrayed by 4wittnesses one being judas and and other a women and 2more males claiming to forfeit the true fact the jesus was tha son of god that he claimed to be sorry for its not your fault you were not informed properly of our lord saviour jesus but your culture dose have recognise ion of this that's way they left your country I mean no affected to the destroying that I share with u it is to your advantage you don't get left behind as it is god and jesus who forgives man kind of our sins in the faith u beliveth in the god who sent his only begotten son in the likeness of man made righteous that threw his blood shead in the day of his crusifiction we seeth and ecknolage the truth to what peace really is in society in this day and age and it is stated in thy 10 commandments New Testament and old that god sayeth to Moses write this down thy shall not murder nor shall thy kill as u would be well aware you have no need to offer sacrifices to The Lord our god due to the fact that our saviours pure blood was the sanctification also to burnt offering would not be a pure justification need to the redemption of sin what age is thy book u have we are well up to date with peace and happiness for thy world and it is time you also make peace in your selfs so u don't defile your nation that god is thy creator of all heaven and earth and every livening soul and creation honestly it dose not matter which gospel you read the words were inspired by god threw thy Holy Spirit the on the day of petticost poured out his Holy Spirit to thee apostasles of Christ and many women and man in those days to your advantage this is called the circal of life how good is god at creation that we revole around and find our selfs separated from the truth and knowlage don't worry your not thee only one who was left in thy wilderness with no incite to a god I found my self feeling left behind to but it was to my advantage went on a mission to find god wow driven the creator is I say his words speake faithfully I tell thee look nock seek for if u shall ask you shall revive and that's as simple as it is but to thy knowlage of understanding you all had better repent and then ask for forgiveness because it it confessing to god that then shall it be given forgiveness threw is only begotten son jesus good luck my prays go out to your people for help as thy blessing thy lord has in his glory amen xx

    June 28, 2013 at 4:56 am |
    • rick

      try some punctuation.

      June 28, 2013 at 6:46 am |
    • Evil Heaven Sent

      Usually I am not one to pick on others spelling and grammar, but, ugh. That was horrible.

      June 28, 2013 at 6:47 am |
    • Honey Hush

      Is that you AB, pulling our leg. If this is a real post and not a joke, be afraid very afraid. Carrie-Anne you are self thought indeed.

      June 28, 2013 at 6:59 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Carrie-Anne: You're either a troll; English is not your first language or you simply have an IQ of 10. Try a basic English course...you sound about as intelligent as my cat and yet I think my cat is probably more intelligent.

      June 28, 2013 at 8:08 am |
    • Roger that

      "No offence to your profit Mohamed but he was long gone bro and it was jesus the for filled the profecy and became the saviour "

      Jesus was long gone. Muhammad was born 570CE. I have to stop there. I don't have the patience to read the rest of your sentence/paragraph.

      June 28, 2013 at 9:26 am |
    • Laurence Charles Ringo

      Wow,"carrieann"!What kind of drugs are YOU smoking??

      June 28, 2013 at 9:52 am |
  19. LIGHT

    Then We developed the drop into a hanging, then developed the hanging into a chewed lump of flesh.(23:14)
    The Quran continues displaying its miracles in its description of “alaq” succeeded by the “mudga” (chewed lump of flesh).

    stage. As a matter of fact, the embryo in the uterus has the appearance of a chewed lump of flesh, a tiny piece of flesh. (22: 5), speaks “of chewed lump of flesh, partly formed and partly unformed,”
    which is a good description of the aspect of the fetus. The aspect presented to our sight is of an indented figure whose head, feet and internal organs have begun to develop (partly formed, partly unformed).
    Prof. Keith L. Moore says that he had a model made in plastic in the shape of an embryo and bit on it, leaving the marks of his teeth; this seemed to be an exact reproduction of an embryo, and explained the indentation referred to in the Quran

    signs in the high universe,seas and even inside the wombs where no one can tell but Allah.

    June 28, 2013 at 4:04 am |
    • Flash

      Guess what, @LIGHT, ancient women had miscarriages too... at all different stages of development. Allah / Schmallah.

      June 28, 2013 at 4:09 am |
    • Rules of Conduct

      A chewed lump of flesh in the womb, would be a good description of a present day abortion.

      I think your Mohammed character was talking with Satan as he day dreamed about later exploits

      June 28, 2013 at 4:10 am |
    • Carrie-Anne Brennan

      From what you are judging I claim to have knowlage it is to your own self that I can read the Quran and the inscription u are delivering is that of a leach which is to your advantage that of the term word used back in them day as the embro to make life learn the dictation fist as it is a natural life factor that is the form to creation weirdo I can read its life not a choice of problem we as a unity group love to inform u of your profound nessety of life as it was name a leach wow who creation named back in thy day has not me bluffed its thy u bluff hehe xxamen

      June 28, 2013 at 4:16 am |
    • JBOOMstillLying

      @ carrie...

      Is that you Lionly Lamb? So this is what you sound like after having had a few too many...just a bit different from when you post sober.

      June 28, 2013 at 4:21 am |
    • Carrie-Anne Brennan

      Let me tell u it is to the unformed fetous that god sowed in as creation had an advantage to gods kingdom before the flesh and soul of man kind due to the fact at any unknow reason that an about ion or miscarriage occurs and the fetous has no reconciliation the the name as we no jesus the foetus sown in by god goes to heaven with out sin to its name due to the fact it did not come to life and be able to breath life so sin has defield the fetous and remains in heaven with god to you advantage I give the knowlage xx amen

      June 28, 2013 at 4:26 am |
    • JBOOMstillLying


      you actually are a bit more literate when you're drunk...I'm impressed, actually...the sentences are linear.

      June 28, 2013 at 4:29 am |
    • Rules of Conduct

      A baby is a person and should not be chewed up in the womb... the safest place a baby could be... before then.

      Have a good day Carrie-Anne.

      June 28, 2013 at 5:05 am |
    • Carrie-Anne Brennan

      I tell u for god sorry allua as u no this is thy story you only no of creation as it was not yet for told fully to you yet as it was in medieval days and this is the creation Allah tell u that its the embryo is also said to resemblance-ache we'd piece of substance like gum or wood in other words Allah your god back then was edifying creation from simpal for of what then was called a leech it is not defield in any was it was creation syplified understand simply almost the same to edify your complete understanding to a fresh water leech this is called alaqah at its stage u no as the embryo are u educated yer Layla again I tell it was simplified to u back then - to your knowlage ill inform u again its known as life - creation threw Allah amen xx

      June 28, 2013 at 6:24 am |
    • Athy

      Carrie, my dog can write better than you.

      June 28, 2013 at 2:17 pm |
    • OTOH


      Yeah, mine too. He only writes in 'cur'sive, though!

      June 28, 2013 at 2:29 pm |
    • marine1

      Word Salad.

      June 28, 2013 at 2:45 pm |
  20. LIGHT

    One more about the miracles of Quran:

    Then We developed the drop into a hanging, then developed the hanging into a chewed lump of flesh.(23:14)

    The Quran continues displaying its miracles in its description of “alaq” succeeded by the “mudga” (chewed lump of flesh) stage. As a matter of fact, the embryo in the uterus has the appearance of a chewed lump of flesh, a tiny piece of flesh.

    (22: 5), speaks “of chewed lump of flesh, partly formed and partly unformed,”
    which is a good description of the aspect of the fetus. The aspect presented to our sight is of an indented figure whose head, feet and internal organs have begun to develop (partly formed, partly unformed).

    Prof. Keith L. Moore says that he had a model made in plastic in the shape of an embryo and bit on it, leaving the marks of his teeth; this seemed to be an exact reproduction of an embryo, and explained the indentation referred to in the Quran

    Sings in the high universe,seas and even inside the wombs where no one can tell but Allah.

    June 28, 2013 at 3:34 am |
    • Rules of Conduct

      Gabriel would have to have been wrong before Jesus, and a liar, for Mohammed to not be the liar he was.

      All the apostles and eye witnesses would have to have lied.

      The Holy Spirit filling followers, would have to be a lying.

      Jesus would have to had walked away from saving all the believers from their sins, for Mohammed to not have lied.

      Mohammed himself, lies in saying to believe the New Testament anyway, while saying it's a lie. He couldn't make up his mind.

      Mohammed said no miracles... then flew to a Mosque and back. Do you even read your text?

      And in contradiction to Jesus, Mohammed said to pray 50 times a day, then changed it to 10, then changed it to 5... like he's fixing a flat tire or something... 50 is too much air...

      June 28, 2013 at 4:07 am |
    • Reality

      Some more "miracles" of the koran:

      As the koranic/mosque driven acts of terror and horror continue:

      The Muslim Conquest of India – 11th to 18th century

      ■"The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

      and the 19 million killed in the Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C by Muslims.

      and more recently

      1a) 179 killed in Mumbai/Bombay, 290 injured

      1b) Assassination of Benazir Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh

      2) 9/11, 3000 mostly US citizens, 1000’s injured

      3) The 24/7 Sunni-Shiite centuries-old blood feud currently being carried out in Iraq, US troops killed in action, 3,480 and 928 in non combat roles. 102,522 – 112,049 Iraqi civilians killed as of 9/16/2011/, mostly due to suicide bombers, land mines and bombs of various types, http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ and http://www.defenselink.mil/news/casualty.pdf

      4) Kenya- In Nairobi, about 212 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.[2]

      5) Bali-in 2002-killing 202 people, 164 of whom were foreign nationals, and 38 Indonesian citizens. A further 209 people were injured.

      6) Bali in 2005- Twenty people were killed, and 129 people were injured by three bombers who killed themselves in the attacks.

      7) Spain in 2004- killing 191 people and wounding 2,050.

      8. UK in 2005- The bombings killed 52 commuters and the four radical Islamic suicide bombers, injured 700.

      9) The execution of an eloping couple in Afghanistan on 04/15/2009 by the Taliban.

      10) – Afghanistan: US troops 1,385 killed in action, 273 killed in non-combat situations as of 09/15/2011. Over 40,000 Afghan civilians killed due to the dark-age, koranic-driven Taliban acts of horror

      11) The killing of 13 citizen soldiers at Ft. Hood by a follower of the koran.

      12) 38 Russian citizens killed on March 29, 2010 by Muslim women suicide bombers.

      13) The May 28, 2010 attack on a Islamic religious minority in Pakistan, which have left 98 dead,

      14) Lockerbie is known internationally as the site where, on 21 December 1988, the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 crashed as a result of a terrorist bomb. In the United Kingdom the event is referred to as the Lockerbie disaster, the Lockerbie bombing, or simply Lockerbie. Eleven townspeople were killed in Sherwood Crescent, where the plane's wings and fuel tanks plummeted in a fiery explosion, destroying several houses and leaving a huge crater, with debris causing damage to a number of buildings nearby. The 270 fatalities (259 on the plane, 11 in Lockerbie) were citizens of 21 nations.

      15 The daily suicide and/or roadside and/or mosque bombings in the terror world of Islam.

      16) Bombs sent from Yemen by followers of the koran which fortunately were discovered before the bombs were detonated.

      17) The killing of 58 Christians in a Catholic church in one of the latest acts of horror and terror in Iraq.

      18) Moscow airport suicide bombing: 35 dead, 130 injured. January 25, 2011.

      19) A Pakistani minister, who had said he was getting death threats because of his stance against the country's controversial blasphemy law, was shot and killed Wednesday, 3/2/2011

      20) two American troops killed in Germany by a recently radicalized Muslim, 3/3/2011

      21) the kidnapping and apparent killing of a follower of Zoraster in the dark world of Islamic Pakistan.

      22) Shariatpur, Bangladesh (CNN 3/30/2011) - Hena Akhter's last words to her mother proclaimed her innocence. But it was too late to save the 14-year-old girl. Her fellow villagers in Bangladesh's Shariatpur district had already passed harsh judgment on her. Guilty, they said, of having an affair with a married man. The imam from the local mosque ordered the fatwa, or religious ruling, and the punishment: 101 lashes delivered swiftly, deliberately in public. Hena dropped after 70 and died a week later.

      23) "October 4, 2011, 100 die as a truck loaded with drums of fuel exploded Tuesday at the gate of compound housing several government ministries on a busy Mogadishu street. It was the deadliest single bombing carried out by the al Qaeda-linked al-Shabab group in Somalia since their insurgency began. "

      o 24) Mon Jun 4, 2012 10:18am EDT
      BAGHDAD (Reuters) – A suicide bomber detonated an explosive-packed car outside a Shi'ite Muslim office in central Baghdad on Monday, killing at least 26 people and wounding more than 190 in an attack bearing the hallmarks of Iraq's al Qaeda affiliate.

      The bombing on a Shi'ite religious office comes at a sensitive time, with the country's fractious Shi'ite, Sunni and Kurdish blocs locked in a crisis that threatens to unravel their power-sharing deal and spill into sectarian tensions."

      25) BURGAS, Bulgaria | Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:27am EDT

      (Reuters) – A suicide bomber carried out an attack that killed seven people in a bus transporting Israeli tourists in Bulgaria, the interior minister said on Thursday, and Israel said Iranian-backed Hezbollah militants were to blame.

      26 ) September 12, 2012
      Envoy to Libya dies in rocket blast

      27) Boston Marathon horror – April 2013, four dead, hundreds injured and maimed for life.

      June 28, 2013 at 6:24 am |
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