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June 28th, 2013
02:08 PM ET
White House: Faith groups can opt out of contraception mandateBy Dan Merica and Kevin Bohn, CNN (CNN) - The Obama administration finalized rules on Friday that allow religiously affiliated organizations to opt out of a federal mandate requiring that they provide employees with insurance coverage for birth control. The mandates give women at nonprofit, religious-based organizations, like certain hospitals and universities, the ability to receive contraception through separate health policies at no charge. The rules, which were first proposed in February and then open for comment through April, have undergone only minor changes. Chiquita Brooks-LaSure, deputy director for policy and regulations at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, said the rules were "very similar" to the administration's original proposal. FULL STORY
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And they taught me how not to play the game
Oh, I didn't mind if they groomed me for success
Or if they said that I was just a fool
So I left there in the morning With their God under my arm
Their half asd smiles and the book of rules
Then I asked this God a question
And by way of firm reply
He said, "I'm not the kind you have to wind-up on Sundays"
And to my old headmaster and to anyone who cares
Before I'm through I'd like to say my prayers
Oh, I don't believe you, you had the whole damn thing all wrong
And he's not the kind you have to wind-up on Sunday
Well, you can excommunicate me on my way to Sunday school
And have all the Bishops harmonize these lines
How do you dare tell me that I'm my father's son
When that was just an accident of birth?
Oh, I'd rather look around me, compose a better song
'Cos that's the honest measure of my worth
And in your pomp and all your glory,
you're a poorer man than me
As you lick the boots of death born out of fear
When I was young and they packed me off to school
And they taught me how not to play the game Oh, I didn't mind if they groomed me for success
Or if they said that I was just a fool
And so I left there in the morning
With their God under my arm
The half asd smiles and the book of rules
And you can excommunicate me on my way to Sunday school
And have all the Bishops harmonize these lines
When I was young and they packed me off to school
And they taught me how not to play the game
Oh, I didn't mind if they groomed me for success
Or if they said that I was just a fool
And so to my old headmaster and to anyone who cares
Before I'm through I'd like to say my prayers
And you can excommunicate me on my way to Sunday school
And have all the Bishops harmonize these lines
I don't believe you, you had the whole damn thing all wrong
And he's not the kind you have to wind-up on a Sundays
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It's a shadowy world, skies are slippery gray
A woman just gave birth to a prince today and dressed him in scarlet
He'll put the priest in his pocket, put the blade to the heat
Take the motherless children off the street
And place them at the feet of a harlot
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I wonder how much of this silly debate could be ended if there was not the requirement that contraceptives be covered absolutely free. That part has puzzled me. If it's just a prescription like any other prescription, then why should it be exempt from a copay? My birth control pills (which, by the way, I take for something other than pregnancy prevention) used to cost me about $10 for a 3-month supply, the same as any other generic medication. I was fine with that.
I don't think it needs to be free, except for very low-income women – in which case it would be a lot cheaper to all of us if it prevented children they really couldn't afford.
" federal mandate requiring that they provide employees with insurance coverage for birth control."
You are misinformed Ann. The affordable health care act does not require FREE birth control for all, it simply requires businesses to include it in their health plans just like they already do for Viagra. There is some federal funding that goes to planned parenthood and they do provide free birth control for very low income women.
The new allowance for religious groups to opt out just means they can keep offering their priests and males they employ the Viagra they so desperately need through their health plans, but those pesky women who want any of their birth control covered can go jump in a lake, preferably a cold one if they are wanting to simulate birth control...
Hmm, I think you might be wrong. In the full article, they refer several times to women getting contraceptives "at no cost" – it doesn't sound like they mean "no cost for additional coverage."
Besides, mine is free now - and I seriously doubt BC/BS did that just because they wanted to be nice.
@Ann................This silly debate would end if republicans grew up and the church leaders stop being phonies. EVERYBODY pays for children the parents can't afford. The govt. should be BEGGING people to take birth control. People do not want to help these people, so why do people want them to be born!
No – BC/BS did it because it saves them money. It is cheaper to give you contraceptives than to pay for a pregnancy. Why can't you get it through your heads that it is more expensive to take away your contraceptives.
@ann.........Another reason the prez. wants to make them easier for people to get is TO PREVENT ABORTIONS. That was the prez vow to the phony crooked christian conservatives and religious leaders. But because he's black they've got their panties in a bunch and now they complain about birth control.
Matthew 7:7
”Ask, and it will be given to you seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
Matthew 21:22
And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.”
Mark 11:24
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
John 14:13-14
Whatever you ask in my name, this I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask me anything in my name, I will do it
so ... if the bible is the truth, and if prayer works, then Christians shouldn't have any worries about these laws being changed to whatever they want.
Surely (if the bible is the truth and if prayer works) with all the christians praying in America, this place should be heaven for the Christian Taliban. gays would all leave or die, abortion would stop. everyone else would miraculously convert to Christianity ... oh ... and let's not forget ... all amputees would miraculously grow their limbs back.
what a crock!
Yes, it's a crock-pot of B.S.
White House: There is such a thing as a free lunch.
Hiding how it gets paid for doesn't make it free.
We have a logjam here:
1) You have a right to believe as you will
2) You have a right to exercise your religion so long as it does not harm another
3) The government will not force you to subsidize another persons belief.
So what happens when 3 conflicts with 2. My religion says I may eat pork, can we force my employer whose religion forbids pork to pay for my BBQ? How about we just force them to pay for my lunch, but the local cafeteria will have to give me my pulled pork sandwich for free.
Being disingenuous about how thy are still paying for it does not advance the conversation.
All the prez has to do is tell the insurance co. to offer birth control for a dollar. The individual can buy it with their pay and shut the companies up. This is a phony issue just like the IRS and Benghazi scandal.
Ken,
So long as the price is below the cost then honest discussion demands recognizing this is just another shifting of the cost.
As long as the prez. is involved republicans and the catholic church will complain no matter what. None of these people care about the children. We have hungry and homeless children, no plan for them because no one cares.
And why are there ~ one million abortions every year in the USA?
The failure rate of unprotected se-x in preventing a pregnancy? As per Guttmacher, 85%
The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":
– (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
– (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)
Followed by: (the two most widely used forms of contraception)
The Pill, at 0.3 percent) (32,000 unplanned pregnancies)
Male condom at 2.0 percent (138,000 unplanned pregnancies)
So where is the problem?
ACTUAL FIRST-YEAR CONTRACEPTIVE FAILURE RATES – Guttmacher Inst-itute
Percentage of women experiencing an unintended pregnancy
Method……………..Typical
Pill……… 8.7 (resulting in one million unplanned pregnancies- the Pill was not taken daily was the major reason for the high failure rate)
Male condom ……….17.4 (resulting in one million unplanned pregnancies- the condom was available but was not used is the major reason for the high failure rate)
All the numbers are posted on line by Guttmacher if you want to run the calculations.
So again we see the BRUTAL EFFECTS OF STUPIDITY!!!!
The real reason of unexpected pregnancy is simple. Lack of education. We should also teach kids the economic cost of pregnancy no matter if you're a teen or not.
Se-x education is here in schools, homes, books and on the internet. The problem is that many of all ages do not follow the simple directions on the Pill and/or condom package. And please note the following:
On its Grand Challenges website, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is offering a $100,000 startup grant to the person who designs "the next generation condom that significantly preserves or enhances pleasure" and promotes "regular use."
It may sound like the setup for a joke, but the goal is deadly serious. While researchers call condoms one of the best ways to stop the spread of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, getting people to use them is another story.”
@reality..................What the Gates are doing is great. Of course the republicans are probably against it. I think parenting is a issue here also. I've had honest conversations with my oldest daughter and my youngest will get the same as she gets older. You'd be surprised at how many parents DON'T talk about s3x with their kids.
More importantly republicans need to get over their obsession with s3x. We're not farm animals. We don't have s3x to only have children.
article should read:
White House: Faith groups can opt out of modern education on women's health
The prez is doing the best he can. When you have immature morons in congress and phony crooked Christians running the church. What else can he do.
Perhaps a Federal program to provide basic reproductive health services should be brought into being. Something anyone can call on no matter what the opinions of people who might try to deny something so basic as contraception might be.
Their is a federal law stating the feds cannot provide funding any abortion services. Of course republicans consider birth control a form of abortion.
There, not their.
Thanks
This so- called "Obama care" program has been whittled down diluted and twisted so badly I really doubt it ll be effective or all that usable by the people it was intended to help....and now we have exceptions...watch this list grow.
I know socialism has a bad rap with most people, but medicine should be an across the board right in my view. With the insane clown economics going on in this country the costs are soaring. We are starting to look like a third world country on steroids.
If health care is a right, that means someone has to be forced to provide it. What if no one, or an insufficient number of people, want to be doctors? I believe everyone should have the right to buy health care, and that it ought not be withheld based on discrimination, but no one has the right to another person's labor. That is slavery.
How is anyone "enslaved" by being required to provide contraceptive coverage via an insurance company that covers all the employees of a company?
Really?
So doctors in Canada, the UK and all other countries with modern/universal health care systems are enslaved?
It's not as easy as it seems with Universal Care. People don't want to have to be financially responsible for one another's decisions. I always ask myself I've never had children so why am I paying for schools and bus systems? It may not be the kindest thing to say but it's the truth. When it all goes into one pot there is less personal control. Do you want to pay for my lung cancer treatments? It's not your fault that I smoke.
No, on a personal basis I do not want to pay for totally preventable health issues such as smoking related issues. Taking the bigger picture into account though, I recognize that health coverage schemes work best when everyone, healthy and unhealthy, are covered, and it is also good to have a few early death idiots to balance out the costs of providing extended care to the elderly. The good news is that smoking, like religion, is on the decline in developed countries, so the burden of smoking related health issues and the insanity of delusional believers should decrease over time as well. All that being said, the question was "Are doctors in universal health car systems enslaved?" and clearly the answer is they are not.
The following should be provided with every condom package and every Pill prescription:
The reality of se-x, abortion, contraception and STD/HIV control: – from an agnostic guy who enjoys intelligent se-x-
Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter. ...
The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:
: The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill (8.7% actual failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% actual failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms ( less that 50 cents each on-line with free shipping) properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom.
Added information before making your next move:
"Se-xually transmitted diseases (S-TDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."
See also: http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/26/opinion/bolan-se-xual-health/index.html?hpt=hp_t4
And from:
"Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about (even though is becoming a major cause of throat cancer)," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (Maybe it should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)
Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.
The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":
– (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
– (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)
Followed by:
One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)
Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)
Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)
Every other method ranks below these, including Withdrawal (4.0), Female condom (5.0), Diaphragm (6.0), Periodic abstinence (calendar) (9.0), the Sponge (9.0-20.0, depending on whether the woman using it has had a child in the past), Cervical cap (9.0-26.0, with the same caveat as the Sponge), and Spermicides (18.0).
If I own the biggest company in town and I become a Christian Scientist can I get out of offering any medical benefits at all to my employees?
Saraswati
If you are a Catholic florist are you compelled to ask your wedding customers if they had ever been married before and divorced and then deny them your product?
@JMEF, According to the logic of these folks, yes. And depending on the moral sentiments of any business owner you may be required to fill out a survey before getting service describing your religious beliefs, use of birth control, detailed se.xual habits, marital status, racial history, interracial mixing, use of various forms of language, contact with untouchables, drining, smoking and eating habits, number of children and adherence to recycling practices. You might also be weighed to show you haven't demonstrated the sin of gluttony.
How many insurance companies that are not even religious ask for those details, all of your habits, deny for pre-existing conditions. That type of stuff is already in place. Religious or otherwise it exists to save companies money.
The public should be fed up with companies that can offer heath benefits but don't. The public should be educated as to the cost of uninsured and underpaid individuals to the public. Unfortunately Republicans lie to the people and Democrats don't have the balls to tell the people.