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Vatican to declare Pope John Paul II a saint
July 5th, 2013
08:57 AM ET

Vatican to declare Pope John Paul II a saint

By Hada Messia, CNN

Rome (CNN) - The Roman Catholic Church will declare the late Pope John Paul II a saint, the Vatican announced Friday.

Pope Francis signed the decree Friday morning, the Vatican said. John Paul was pope from 1978 until his death in 2005, and was in a way the first rock star pontiff, drawing vast crowds as he criss-crossed the globe.

At his funeral, thousands of pilgrims gathered in St. Peter's Square and chanted "Santo Subito" - Sainthood Now! The Polish-born pope was fast-tracked to beatification and became "the blessed" John Paul II barely six years after his death, the fastest beatification in centuries.

Pope John XXIII, who convened the Vatican II council in the 1960s, will also be declared a saint, the Vatican said.

No date has been announced for the canonization ceremony.

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- Dan Merica

Filed under: Belief • Catholic Church • Pope John Paul II

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  1. Age of Reason

    " to believe in the divinity of this Jesus Christ is to believe in an absurdity!"
    President John Adams

    If the early American presidents didn't believe that "Jesus" existed, why should YOU?

    July 5, 2013 at 8:04 pm |
    • Dumbster Baby

      We believe Jesus because he died for our sins. That is a good reason, for your reason collection.

      July 5, 2013 at 9:18 pm |
    • Filthy Hind I love to Mithrism lick and talk Islam bunk

      Dumpster,
      Why would anyone have to die for your sins. An ancient angry po'd deity who requires someone to die before he can feel better is not worth the ti'tle "god".

      July 5, 2013 at 11:00 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Wow. Your god does a lot of stuff. If only he could provide some proof that he actually exists! Now that would really be something!

      July 6, 2013 at 2:35 am |
    • I wonder

      pickle,

      Did/does "he" know that he's creating destined-to-fail products... and did/does it anyway?

      July 6, 2013 at 3:28 am |
    • The Fladaboscan

      Is there ANYTHING that makes less sense than 'he died for your sins?' Let's analyze for a moment:

      God creates the universe. He makes humans. God makes them born dirty and they need to be saved. God impregnates a married virgin and the progeny will come to somehow absorb our dirtiness. God's message about the messiah is spread by itinerant preachers, rumors, wars, and a holy scripture that is compiled several hundred years after the messiah's death by a Roman emperor, edited, added to, translated and interpreted and sold to us by charlatans with their own TV stations, who say that every word is true and perfect.

      If you don't believe or haven't heard than you can't get to heaven. If people don't explain it in a way that makes you believe then you will rot in hell for eternity.

      I find it very difficult to believe or even take seriously. Maybe my mind would change if my toast came up with sweet Jesus' face on it.

      July 7, 2013 at 7:52 am |
    • Could you reach a bit farther?

      So, out of numerous early presidents, not to mention countless founders of our nation, you find "one" person who made such a comment and that's supposed to speak for "all" our founders, who by the way were very religious, Christian men? Gee, do you think you could make a stretch just a little farther? Sounds like a desperate argument to me.

      September 14, 2013 at 12:54 am |
  2. Answer

    Religious clowns and their self appointed titles. Funny.

    July 5, 2013 at 7:39 pm |
  3. Cpt. Obvious

    Just like many non religious people.

    July 5, 2013 at 5:22 pm |
  4. Bootyfunk

    that's great!

    the catholic child molesters of the world needed a saint, too! as a stalwart protector of the monsters that destroy children's lives forever, john paul II makes a great saint for molesters. he diligently covered up their horrific actions for his entire tenure as pope, usually successfully. if you think the number of molestations by priests under john paul was a lot, imagine how many were successfully covered up... there will never be a more dedicated fighter for child molesters like john paul II.

    July 5, 2013 at 5:00 pm |
  5. Roger that

    In other news, the Loch Ness monster mystery is solved.

    http://nbcnews.com/science/loch-ness-monster-legend-its-geologys-fault-6C10519234

    July 5, 2013 at 3:46 pm |
  6. John Mann

    Here in the 21st century, this saint stuff seems so silly. What will be tomorrow's news headline? "Midwest Farmers Prayed to Rain God...It Rained".

    July 5, 2013 at 3:09 pm |
  7. realbuckyball

    So let me get this straight.
    In 2013, modern human adults are actually saying that after any possible mechanism for his continued mental activity, (after his brain cells had become de-oxygenated), his "fair dust", (soul) flew off to some never-never land. OK.
    How pathetically infantile.
    (BTW, why is it they never teach in their Sunday school, the Hebrew of the Old Testament did not believe in immortality, and being a good Jew, IF Jebus existed, he didn't either).

    Psalm 39 :
    "Turn your gaze away from me, that I may smile again,
    before I depart, and am no more"

    Psalm 115 :
    The dead do not praise the Lord,
    nor do any that go down into silenc

    ALL the dead, both good and bad, were thought to go to an underground region called "Sheol". Sheol is referenced in mostly the Wisdom texts. It's certainly NOT where God lives.

    Psalm 6 : "For in death there is no remembrance of you, in Sheol, who can give you praise ?"

    July 5, 2013 at 2:48 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      should be "fairy dust"

      July 5, 2013 at 2:50 pm |
    • guest

      At least you can read better than most Christians, there is no place in the
      Bible that teaches about an immortal soul Sorry though,there was a massiah and his name was Jesus.
      P.S. There have been a lot of people named Jesus, even in Jesus the Christ's time. Another name that ment the same as Jesus is Joshua; Jesus is just a variation of that name.

      July 5, 2013 at 5:02 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      It's spelled 'mEssiah". And I am well aware of that. There were many thought to be messiahs at the time, including the Roman emperor. That was the reason Josephus wrote the Antiquities of the Jews ... to debunk all the others and say that the emperor Vespasian was THE messiah. There were other "Jesuses" who were said to be a messiah, (Jesus of Gemala) among others, and other who fit this SAME profile, (died, rose from the dead, born of a virgin, miracle worker). There is no evidence that a Yehshua ben Joseph ever existed, and many reasons, (see Dr. Richard Carrier) to think he did not.

      July 5, 2013 at 6:19 pm |
  8. Reality

    The RCC is crashing to the ground in a tsunami of pedophilia law suits and the resulting red ink. Throw in all the flawed theology and history and you have the ringing sound of the death knell of the RCC and religions in general. And the sainthood of JP will not be of any help.

    July 5, 2013 at 2:37 pm |
  9. Thought Purification

    in that his black and white picture, John looks more like a ghost from Paranormal Activity than a saint; isn't a picture worth a thousand words?

    July 5, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
    • Lee

      Technically saints are ghosts.
      So are angels!

      July 5, 2013 at 1:17 pm |
    • bostontola

      Lee,
      Is that "technically" like technically Hobbits are not human?

      July 5, 2013 at 2:00 pm |
    • Lee

      @bostontola
      "Lee,
      Is that "technically" like technically Hobbits are not human?" No, technically Hobbits are of a humanoid race (based on their physical appearance and similarities to us in almost every aspect).
      In fact Hobbits have a higher likelihood of being real more so than angels, demons, dead popes granting miracles, etc...

      July 5, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
    • Saraswati

      Hobbits should have left archaeological evidence, I'm guessing Angels not so much, so harder to falsify.

      July 5, 2013 at 2:33 pm |
    • bostontola

      Lee,
      I agree with your probabilistic comment, but technically, Hobbits are fictional.

      July 5, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
    • Just the Facts Ma'am...

      "Ho mo floresiensis ("Flores Man", nicknamed "hobbit" and "Flo") is a possible species, now extinct, in the genus Ho mo. The remains of an individual were discovered in 2003 on the island of Flores in Indonesia. Partial skeletons of nine individuals have been recovered, including one complete cranium (skull). These remains have been the subject of intense research to determine whether they represent a species distinct from modern humans, and the progress of this scientific controversy has been closely followed by the news media at large. This ho minin is remarkable for its small body and brain and for its survival until relatively recent times (possibly as recently as 12,000 years ago). Recovered alongside the skeletal remains were stone tools from archaeological horizons ranging from 94,000 to 13,000 years ago." – wiki

      July 5, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
    • bostontola

      Why is this so hard...
      Fact: Hobbits are fictional
      Calling a small hominid a "Hobbit" is cute, but it doesn't really make them anything like the fictional creations.

      July 5, 2013 at 3:02 pm |
  10. Bostontola

    Every day many people are cured or have their ailment managed by medical science. The notion that we should celebrate a miracle cure, extraordinarily rare by definition, is patently absurd. Of course no miracle occurs, but even if it did, why would anyone care anymore? 500 years ago people died of diseases easily cured today by medical science, I can understand why they were impressed with a rare cure. Today, its just ridiculous. If you measure improvement to the human condition, scientists and engineers should be the ones getting beatified.

    July 5, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
    • Saraswati

      500 years ago life expectancy in most of the Christian lands was around 35. The medical researchers are saints indeed, along with sanitation workers and engineers. I am grateful to them all every time I walk a clean street or eat off plates hot out of the dishwasher.

      July 5, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
  11. Saraswati

    It's interesting that there's no mention of Marie-Simon-Pierre's relapse or how the church accounted for it. There are no standard tests for Parkinson's and no way to tell it definitively from other neurological illnesses which may remit, or even from somatic symptom diseases. Once again, a very low bar for what counts as evidence. Gods never seem to cure clear cut illnesses like missing legs or Down Syndrome...strange, eh?

    July 5, 2013 at 11:42 am |
    • William Demuth

      Plus riddle me this

      Isn't the disease God's will?

      I mean he is omniimpotent Isn't he?

      Curing her is a sin. The Pope must burn!!

      Burn Pope Burn!!

      July 5, 2013 at 11:48 am |
    • Really-O?

      Faith healing is one of the realms in which the tenacious superst!tions of religion are most nefarious. Medicine and surgery work. Prayer, faith healing, and miracles do not. It's that simple.

      July 5, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • Saraswati

      @Really-O, Faith healing works about as well as any placebo, and they do have some positive effects. But to use a placebo while ignoring real medicine is something carefully regulated in research.

      The one time you will see a full cure with a placebo is in Conversion Disorder (Functional Neurological Symptom Disorder). In these cases just believing you will be cured may be enough to make the symptoms go away.

      July 5, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
    • Brother Maynard

      "It's interesting that there's no mention of Marie-Simon-Pierre's relapse"
      An excellent point for the Devil's advocate to bring up during the canonization process

      July 5, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Saraswati –

      Placebo has also been demonstrated, for a population subset (those most receptive to suggestion), as modestly effective for analgesia; however, it is worthless for, say, a perforated appendix.

      July 5, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
    • Saraswati

      @Really-O, True, I wouldn't use it for an appendix or, say, severed limb. But for psychological conditions, like depression, or even conditions in which the immune system may play a role it could be helpful. And for anything we can't test, like parkinson's, who knows what will help. The problem is not folks like this who do see a doctor, but those who think there placebo, be it religion or homeopathy, is all they need.

      July 5, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
    • I wonder

      Saraswati,

      OT, but thank you for reminding me about Conversion Disorder. I wanted to see a follow up story on those teenagers from LeRoy, New York who were thought to have been afflicted by it a year or so ago, but I never did. Found one just now, though (apparently they are all fine now) : http://www.wgrz.com/news/article/201715/37/What-Really-Happened-To-The-Girls-In-Le-Roy

      July 5, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Saraswati –

      Interventions that affect the stress response – meditation, biofeedback, hypnosis...even chanting and prayer – can elicit biological effects, sometimes profound. In some cases (some insomnias, for example) these interventions may not only be effective, but also the safest and most efficacious treatments. However, in treatment of biological disorders, they are most often auxiliary at best, and frequently nothing more than a distraction.

      July 5, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
    • Saraswati

      @wonder, those kids definitely had conversion disorder. A big tip-off in mass cases is the se.x ratio, and this was no different. For those not familiar with the disorder, the mass hysteria form (I will use the old words) is essentially empathy gone wild, and women have a much greater capacity to essentially feel others pain and suffer others symptoms as though one's own (likely a difference in mirror neurons). For any male feeling smug, the flip side is autism spectrum disorders and arguably ASPD, so you can't win. We're a messed up species who do some funny things.

      July 5, 2013 at 2:08 pm |
    • Saraswati

      @Really-O, Agreed. They can be effective, but if anything else was available I wouldn't want to count on it. However, given nothing else, personally I'm good with a few lies from close friends.

      July 5, 2013 at 2:10 pm |
  12. Portland tony

    "Pope Francis signed the decree Friday morning, the Vatican said. John Paul was pope from 1978 until his death in 2005, and was in a way ...........the first ....ROCK STAR.........pontiff, drawing vast crowds as he criss-crossed the globe." So now all aspiring rock stars can wear St. John Paul medallions and be assured of stardom. Oh We'll!

    July 5, 2013 at 11:08 am |
    • William Demuth

      I have always suspect JP2 was really just a hit with the Christian Chubby Chick Brigade

      Perhaps the rumors of a Biblical Kielbasa were true?

      July 5, 2013 at 11:24 am |
  13. William Demuth

    Jesus real?????

    He LITERALLY is a rip-off, with so many obvious plagiarisms, that his very existence is in any way is unlikely.

    Christ is a lie, perpetuated by fools

    July 5, 2013 at 11:02 am |
    • lionlylamb

      William Demuth,

      Your verbalizing rhetoric is non-religious foolishness and is contritely unsubstantiated mockery.

      July 5, 2013 at 11:11 am |
    • William Demuth

      I feel my mockery is quite substantial!

      July 5, 2013 at 11:22 am |
    • lionlylamb

      William Demuth,

      What is it really that "substantiates" your foolish mockeries? Are you truly that godless in needing to foolishly plagiarize a very long held religious belief system that brought us to where we now are? One who denies godliness cannot bear the sins of this world upon their shoulders as Christ Jesus once did.

      People who tend to dismiss godliness while favoring the godless crowds are mortal fools. They cannot even fathom the social delicacies which bore our nation's social aggregates constituencies.

      July 5, 2013 at 11:46 am |
    • William Demuth

      So true, your familial eloquence in these surreptutious matters be of the utmost transcendental chicanery.

      It is unfathomable that one might nefariously post such blasphemies whilst avoiding the digital compulsory terminology censors.

      July 5, 2013 at 11:53 am |
    • Just the Facts Ma'am...

      "What is it really that "substantiates" your foolish" religion?

      July 5, 2013 at 11:55 am |
    • Akira

      "One who denies godliness cannot bear the sins of this world upon their shoulders as Christ Jesus once did."

      If you are seriously trying to tell us you bear the sins of the world upon your own shoulders, ll, you are not only suffering from a Jesus complex, you are farther along on the crazy train than I thought. Get real.

      July 5, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      William Demuth,

      Verbally scrutinizing another is my forte especially when someone is unsound in their wantonness to plagiarize long held religious traditionalisms. People of your naturalist consummations can only stymie the yet to be clarified fathoming religious folks who seek others' wordage in order to find just reasoning one way or the other in order to sensualize one's adoptive reckonings.

      July 5, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Akira,

      Everyone bears the sins of this world but many folks dare deceives themselves by their godless stance via refuting of godliness ideals which long ago were made manifested thru the life and times of yes, our Lord and redeemer of sinning natures, Christ Jesus, this world's savior of all things made alive to live and to die only to be reborn back into the kingdom domains which are upon one's insides on such a plain of absolute smallness that many folks cannot visualize or even rationalize the real truth of God's kingdom domains.

      July 5, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
    • Lee

      @lionlylamb
      I may not have the "eloquence" you have in articulating words, but at least I don't let a 2,000 year old book control my life. It's absurd, almost as much as the belief of eternal life through ones death.

      All you have for the entirety of your being today is ancient book, written by old Jewish men trying to understand events in an extremely primitive 3rd world country atmosphere in the 1st century and before. To take their beliefs (obviously created to control their people and help them to survive in a arid climate) and apply to western cultures in the early 21st century is asinine.

      They didn't even have soap. And yet you belief their primitive beliefs! You have all the answers to every question about the meaning of life, purpose, the cosmos, and it ALL comes from an old book a bunch of cantankerous, hairy, sweaty, unattractive Jewish men wrote in a desert. A few thousand years ago.

      I guess God ignored the millions of people & cultures before and waited for those middle eastern Jewish towel heads to start judging other people and aimlessly wander around a desert before bestowing "magical" words on them that would manipulate the gullible for centuries to come.

      Thank you and your God for all your answers.

      July 5, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Just the Facts Ma'am wrote, "What is it really that "substantiates" your foolish" religion"?

      My life around imbibing alcohol for over 30 plus years was psychologically motivated and I tried many times to quit on my own but alas could not quit drinking. It was the godly family that lives inside my physical being that took away my psychological desire to drink alcohol on September 5th, 2009. I have had no psychological desires to imbibe since then even though I still associate with drinkers. My belief in Christ Jesus and His teaching that the kingdom domains of godliness are upon the insides of all this world's living creations dare I say satisfies my mentality.

      July 5, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
    • Lee

      @lionlylamb
      "...It was the godly family that lives inside my physical being..."

      You poor thing! Alcoholism to full blown Schizophrenia with religiously-derived delusions of grander.

      Or it looks to me you replaced one stupid addiction (I'm psychologically addicted the "high" feeling I get when my liver processes alcohol...b/c I'm a cool cat) with another, "Jesus freak" user who uses ancient words as crutch for living in the real world because life without a stupid nonsensical addiction is just not a life worth livin'.

      " His teaching that the kingdom domains of godliness are upon the insides of all this world's living creations dare I say satisfies my mentality."

      Honey, if that were true you would not on a CNN blog posting rant-like comments about your supernatural deity..erg I mean a Jewish Sky-God gone Trinity-like demi-god with resurrection abilities and prayer power-ups.

      Going to an A.A. meeting and then bible study and keep pretending like your life is not meaningless...I would be the same way too in your situation! 🙂

      July 5, 2013 at 1:13 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Lee, wrote stating, "I may not have the "eloquence" you have in articulating words, but at least I don't let a 2,000 year old book control my life. It's absurd, almost as much as the belief of eternal life through ones death."

      This 2,000 plus year old book of religious doctrines were made manifested by yes ancient leaders trying to bring a sense of their rightful rationalism upon their people. Does such doctrines control anyone's life? I highly doubt that grownups' intellectual aspirations would lavishly proclaim their life is wholly proclaimed to be religiously controlled by all the doctrines of scriptures.

      I live a free life Lee and I am not controlled by religious idiocies such as the biblical stories dare permeate. I have found that it is more important to know just where the kingdom domains of godliness are located then to continually quote nonsensical rhetoric of religious fables meant to psychologically adhere semi-complacencies upon the rigors of the ancient flocks of folks all wanting the pleasures of sensual freedoms which are as today's masses are wantonly aspiring towards.

      Therefore, it is more important to know the whereabouts of God's kingdom domains then to know storied biblical stewardships that strain to encapsulate their yearning flocks with emotionalisms rather then make their flocks fully aware of God's kingdom domains which are within and inside all celestial forms of atomized life manifestations from the smallest of life onward to our physical beings.

      July 5, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Lee wrote, "Going to an A.A. meeting and then bible study and keep pretending like your life is not meaningless...I would be the same way too in your situation!"

      Your assumptions regarding my going to Alcoholics Anonymous and bible studies is bogus even though I tried to understand such socialized companionships but I withdrew from such dogmatic irrationalities which are but cultured arrhythmias meant to bring the weak minded toward a sensualistic rationalism without truly being cured. I have not been to bible studies nor A.A. meetings in many years. I need no socially structured communal society to be free of my sensualist mindsets. I am that which my body's godly family members made me to be. 👿

      July 5, 2013 at 1:36 pm |
    • Akira

      Ll: one word describes your posts: bullspit.

      July 5, 2013 at 2:17 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Akira,

      Such condescension dare lingers within your mindset ways. Besides, bullspit is two words, not one. 🙁

      July 5, 2013 at 2:41 pm |
    • Akira

      I'm not being condescending, ll; I doubt you know the meaning of half the words you use. It is readily apparent that you use them in combinations that make reading your posts an exercise in futility.
      I am reminded of the famous quote by W.C. Fields – "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."

      I am familiar with your propensity to make up brand-new words with brand-new definitions and then use them as if they were fact. If that isn't patronizing and pompous, I don't know what is.

      July 5, 2013 at 3:07 pm |
  14. Blessed are the Cheesemakers

    Curing head injuries and Parkinson disease.....check

    Stopping priests from r@ping children and the church heirarchy from covering it up......well that is just impossible.

    July 5, 2013 at 11:00 am |
    • Saraswati

      He likes to concentrate of fixes that are difficult – if not impossible – to verify. Keeps up the old faith requirement that way. Suddenly stopping all ra pe or regrowing missing limbs would remove the need to prove oneself by believing without good reason.

      July 5, 2013 at 11:50 am |
    • Just the Facts Ma'am...

      "Stopping priests from r@ping children and the church hierarchy from covering it up......well that is just" as hard as regrowing a limb... so there is no God who can do that kind of miracle...

      July 5, 2013 at 11:52 am |
  15. Colin

    I am plased to see that many Catholics are themselves starting to see how utterly ridiculous and childish the whole idea of saints is. It actually goes back to the early Christians using the saints and martyrs as surrogates for the various Greco-Roman gods as Christianity penetrated deep into the polytheistic Roman Empire.

    July 5, 2013 at 10:56 am |
  16. guest

    I resent the idea that Catholics seem to think that the pope has the right to say who is a ‘saint’.
    How does the Roman Catholic understanding of “saints” compare with the biblical teaching? Not very well. In Roman Catholic theology, the saints are in heaven. In the Bible, the saints are on earth. In Roman Catholic teaching, a person does not become a saint unless he/she is “beatified” or “canonized” by the Pope or prominent bishop. In the Bible, everyone who has received Jesus Christ by faith is a saint. In Roman Catholic practice, the saints are revered, prayed to, and in some instances, worshipped. In the Bible, saints are called to revere, worship, and pray to God alone.

    The word “saint” comes from the Greek word hagios, which means “consecrated to God, holy, sacred, pious." It is almost always used in the plural, “saints.” "…Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he did to Your saints at Jerusalem" (Acts 9:13). "Now as Peter was traveling through all those regions, he came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda" (Acts 9:32). "And this is just what I did in Jerusalem; not only did I lock up many of the saints in prisons …“ (Acts 26:10). There is only one instance of the singular use, and that is "Greet every saint in Christ Jesus…" (Philippians 4:21). In Scripture there are 67 uses of the plural “saints” compared to only one use of the singular word “saint.” Even in that one instance, a plurality of saints is in view: “…every saint…” (Philippians 4:21).

    The idea of the word “saints” is a group of people set apart for the Lord and His kingdom. There are three references referring to godly character of saints: "that you receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints …" (Romans 16:2). "For the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ" (Ephesians 4:12). "But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints" (Ephesians 5:3).

    Therefore, scripturally speaking, the “saints” are the body of Christ, Christians, the church. All Christians are considered saints. All Christian are saints—and at the same time are called to be saints. First Corinthians 1:2 states it clearly: “To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy…” The words “sanctified” and “holy” come from the same Greek root as the word that is commonly translated “saints.” Christians are saints by virtue of their connection with Jesus Christ. Christians are called to be saints, to increasingly allow their daily life to more closely match their position in Christ. This is the biblical description and calling of the saints.

    July 5, 2013 at 10:09 am |
    • Bostontola

      Aren't these Catholic saints? It's their club. The NFL decides who gets into their Hall of Fame, why can't the Catholics? Your tone is no different than the popes, condescending and authoritarian. You may want to read your criticism and then look in the mirror. No, I'm not a Catholic, Christian, ...

      July 5, 2013 at 10:23 am |
    • William Demuth

      Nonsense, your post is akin to asking if Batman can be in the Avengers, and referencing an Archie comic to support your position

      Your "Holy Book" is fictional, and was clearly written by those with an agenda, edited innumerable times, and designed with one sole purpose, to entrap the minds of the simple.

      It appears to be working.

      July 5, 2013 at 10:39 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      I almost never agree with Boston and diametrically oppose most of what demuth espouses, but even he is more on target than the OP who seems to confuse big "S" with little "s"

      July 5, 2013 at 10:56 am |
    • Saraswati

      I think from all sides we're agreed the OP is a little confused. The Catholics can decide who their saints are, the Hindus their gods and the Mormons what underwear is important. They may (or may not) all be talking nonsense, but it's their nonsense defining their beliefs. We can criticize the logic and evidence, but we can't accuse them of defining outside their religion unless they make a claim to do so.

      July 5, 2013 at 11:56 am |
  17. HotAirAce

    Looks like it's more important to elevate members of the RCC's Old Boys Club than to deal with the pedophile priest coverup scandal. And it appears the US RCC, with the aid of a DA, continues to protect a former priest from murder charges in Texas. A good cult to stay away from, or get out of.

    July 5, 2013 at 9:41 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Sounds pretty good if you're a priest.

      July 5, 2013 at 9:43 am |
  18. Ariel

    Saints don't keep stolen property of others. Read: "The Pope is Dying: It's Time to Come Clean"
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/2859

    July 5, 2013 at 9:31 am |
    • William Demuth

      Ah, some inter-cult rivalry!

      One group of lunatics accusing the other group of lunatics

      July 5, 2013 at 10:36 am |
  19. palintwit

    The Fourth of July is to most Americans the day we observe our nations birthday and our independence. For Sarah Palin and her teabillies it's an excuse to fire semi-automatic assault weapons into the air while yelling 'yeeehaawww'.

    July 5, 2013 at 9:26 am |
    • Saraswati

      I think we're getting to the point that some younger readers may be fuzzy on who this Palin person is. People have short memories for the defeated.

      July 5, 2013 at 11:58 am |
    • palintwit

      Saraswati... hopefully they'll have longer memories for the absurd and the ridiculous, lest history repeat itself.

      July 5, 2013 at 12:00 pm |
  20. Age of Reason

    .."What WEALTH has the FABLE of the Christ not brought us?!" Pope Leo X

    "jesus christ" was a mythical, political construct who NEVER existed and DO NOT believe in him!

    July 5, 2013 at 9:03 am |
    • Mike from CT

      So your "reasonable" conclusion to the facts of having about 26 different people write about Christ or people changing their life styles because of this person in the 1st century, the people who followed this person and died for testifying what they saw and willing to die for it, the area's social, cultural, and economic systems being turned upside down, devout Jews changing their beliefs, and not one contemporary document that calls out the gospels, which existed 15-30 years after the event, as being fraudulent.

      With all that your "reasonable" conclusion is that the person didn't even exist? Really?

      Do you think Caesar existed? Plato? Aristotle? Mohammad?

      July 5, 2013 at 9:51 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      This quote is falsely attributed to pope Leo X. It was actually a line from an anti-clerical satire written by John Blane.

      July 5, 2013 at 10:54 am |
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