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July 8th, 2013
12:37 PM ET

Christian school mourns Asiana crash victims

West Hills, California (CNN) - A Los Angeles Christian church and school that had planned two host two Chinese students who died in Saturday's Asiana 214 crash in San Francisco grieved at a worship service on Sunday.

West Valley Christian School says 35 Chinese students on the Asiana flight were scheduled to live with church families and join its youth summer camp, where they would learn about American culture and improve English fluency.

"We want to grieve. We want to be real and we want love these families that have lost their loved ones,” Derek Swales, a school administrator, told KCAL, a CNN affiliate.

The school's church, West Valley Christian Church, invited former and current host families to attend a prayer vigil on Thursday.

Ye Mengyuan and Wang Linjia, both 16, were close friends. Both died on Saturday's crash.

Investigators looking into the fatal crash of Asiana Airlines Flight 214 are focusing on the crew and aircraft as they try to understand why the giant jet clipped the end of runway before crashing, the chairwoman of the National Transportation Safety Board said Monday.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: China • China • Christianity • Death

soundoff (427 Responses)
  1. Phil in Texas

    Pete..please give me an example of a society that is less religious and happier...seems the more Godless a society becomes the more unhappy, and unhealthy it becomes...

    July 8, 2013 at 2:42 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      Sweden

      July 8, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      Denmark

      July 8, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      Netherlands

      July 8, 2013 at 2:44 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      Belgium

      July 8, 2013 at 2:44 pm |
    • Observer

      Scandanavian countries see relatively happy. 18% of Swedes believe there is a God.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:45 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      If you arent trolling and actually want to learn something, then google "The happiest countries have the lowest rates of religiosity." Read and enoy

      July 8, 2013 at 2:45 pm |
    • pfr1nk

      "seems the more Godless a society becomes the more unhappy, and unhealthy it becomes..."

      It does seem like that, if you ignore all the evidence and just go with what you wish were true.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:46 pm |
    • Athy

      Phil, you really are clueless, aren't you. Have you ever been out of the US?

      July 8, 2013 at 2:51 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Happiness, as measured by materialistic methods would necessarily skew towards more secular areas. It's not really a logical study. About as useful as saying "Nations where religions flourish have a higher incidence of holiness"

      July 8, 2013 at 2:52 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      LOL at Bill Deacon. "Dont listen to that study. They're happy for the wrong reasons! They dont have jeebus, so they'll never be happy"

      July 8, 2013 at 2:55 pm |
    • The Agile Rabbit

      Very funny Bill!

      THink about how materialistic your happiness is the next time you give thanks for what God has provided.

      July 8, 2013 at 3:05 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @Bill Deacon –

      Happiness is a valuable and desired condition, no?

      July 8, 2013 at 3:07 pm |
    • derp

      "Happiness, as measured by materialistic methods would necessarily skew towards more secular areas"

      That's not what they studied Bill. They asked questions about personal fulfillment, overall happiness, quality of life. The studies done have not been geared towards material matters. Granted, having more basic necessities covered, and a generally more positive culture skews the results, but by and large, European secular countries are happier and more satisfied in thier lives.

      It makes sense to me. Most christians I know are afraid. They are "god fearing" and live a much more stressful life than I do.

      I'm not worried about judgement, or an afterlife. I don't live in fear of an ill tempered super being scalding my flesh for all of eternity. Believing in that would seem to make it hard to be happy.

      July 8, 2013 at 3:07 pm |
    • derp

      "Pete..please give me an example of a society that is less religious and happier...seems the more Godless a society becomes the more unhappy, and unhealthy it becomes"

      A cursory look at AMerica proves how stupid that assertion is.

      The bible belt leads the US in per capita obesity, teen pregnancy, divorce, alcoholism, unwed mothers, welfare and crime.

      Christianity, by design, is the complete and utter absence of morality.

      July 8, 2013 at 3:11 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Phil
      Countries with a high percentage of nonbelievers are among the freest, most stable, best-educated, and healthiest nations on earth. When nations are ranked according to a human-development index, which measures such factors as life expectancy, literacy rates, and educational attainment, the five highest-ranked countries - Norway, Sweden, Australia, Canada, and the Netherlands - all have high degrees of nonbelief. Of the fifty countires at the bottom of the index, all are intensly religious. The nations with the highest homicide rates tend to be more religious; those with the greatest levels of gender equality are the least religious.

      July 8, 2013 at 3:11 pm |
    • Lycidas

      The problem with this is there is no conclusive evidence that less religious = happier.

      There could be many (and there are) reasons why these nations are happier. I doubt it's because of less religion because if that was the only criteria, then China, Cuba and Communist Russia would have been the happiest of all. Obviously there are other factors involved.

      July 8, 2013 at 4:09 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "The bible belt leads the US in per capita obesity, teen pregnancy, divorce, alcoholism, unwed mothers, welfare and crime."

      Highest in divorce? Nevada, Wyoming, Idaho, West Virginia..none in the Bible Belt and they make up four of the top 5. Though one could say WV is a part of it depending on one's definition of "Bible Belt".

      Marijuana Abuse Top 5: Alaska, Maine, Vermont, RI and Colorado. Hmmm, no Bible Belt there.

      Cocaine Abuse Top 5: RI, Colorado, Alaska, Vermont and South Carolina. OMgosh...got a Bible Belt state there. About time.

      Alcohol Abuse Top 5: Montana, SD, Minn, Colorado and NM.

      Obesity..let's face it...it's a nation wide problem that continues to grow. If one's argument is that it's only a problem in the "Bible Belt" then they are ignorant of the problem.

      Highest in teen pregnancy? New Mexico, Nevada and Arizona are in the top six but not in the Bible Belt.

      Blab blab...the point. Being religious does not mean you are more prone to bad behavior.

      July 8, 2013 at 4:29 pm |
    • lol??

      Nobody got the loot back from the Vikings?? Free military defense from Unca surga gives them affordable health care.

      July 8, 2013 at 6:46 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Lycidas,
      "Being religious does not mean you are more prone to bad behavior."

      No but it does appear to be hypocritical when they claim that only believers have morals yet they do not "walk the walk". The point of the original post was that you'd expect less of that type of crime in areas where believers are most dominant.

      July 8, 2013 at 6:56 pm |
    • Lycidas

      In Santa we trust- "The point of the original post was that you'd expect less of that type of crime in areas where believers are most dominant."

      And based on the stats I've found, many of those crimes and lifestyle choices are more prominent outside the "Bible Belt".
      Personally I don't think being religious or not has as much to do with certain "bad" choices as culture does.

      July 9, 2013 at 12:58 pm |
  2. MrHighMighty

    Seeing the man-centered view of God and short-sighted view of existence espoused by the atheists on this blog, it is easy to understand why they reject Him. But their mistaken view places them in far greater peril than anyone on that plane. Those people need to step back and see the big picture, and wait for the final acts of God's mercy and destruction of evil. Focusing on the loss of life of these two young girls is like walking out of "It’s a Wonderful Life" before the end and complaining that it's a miserable and depressing movie.

    The tragedy of this crash (and any others) is nothing compared to the eternal tragedy that awaits all who reject God's offer for salvation. This crash is actually a reminder to us all that our time on this world is very short, whether the end comes in a tragic accident, disease, as a victim of crime, or in our sleep at 120 years old. This crash also is a reminder to give God praise for offering us an escape from His punishment for sin, regardless of the dangers of this world.

    July 8, 2013 at 2:38 pm |
    • derp

      "The tragedy of this crash (and any others) is nothing compared to the eternal tragedy that awaits all who reject God's offer for salvation"

      Could you be more specific?

      Is it the whole lake of fire thing, or will there be some guy sticking needles in my scrotum, for all eternity?

      Will I be bombarded with Justin Bieber, and reruns of Donnie and Marie for time eternal?

      Seriously, this whole "Oooohhh, your in big trouble" routine is getting old.

      Can you narrow it down a bit.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:44 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      Pascals Wager! You seriuosly havent learned what that is, yet? If you did, you would understand how utterly ridiculous it makes you sound. Praise Zues or he will smite you with lightning! Praise (insert god here) or he will (insert punishment here).

      July 8, 2013 at 2:47 pm |
  3. Phil in Texas

    Lets see....When we say the world is miserable is that because it is not the way that you old like it to be or the way that you see it should be? And if that's correct, I would think you are drawing a conclusion about some thing that are bad in the world...yes? If that's right..how do you determine right and wrong? Is that based on personal preference or on a moral law...
    So where do you get the moral law from? That's the questions...that's the gut feeling that something is right or wrong....
    Believers answer: from god...atheist answer: I don't know

    July 8, 2013 at 2:36 pm |
    • Observer

      Phil in Texas,

      Atheists get it from intelligence and logic, but some believers apparently need a 2,000-year-old book to do their thinking.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:39 pm |
    • Huh?

      " I would think you are drawing a conclusion about some thing that are bad in the world...yes? If that's right..how do you determine right and wrong? Is that based on personal preference or on a moral law...
      So where do you get the moral law from? That's the questions...that's the gut feeling that something is right or wrong...."

      Religious people find it very annoying that people don't need God to be good, as science has now incontestably proved.

      For millennia, we've been brainwashed into believing that we needed the Almighty to redeem us from an essentially corrupt nature. Left to our own devices, people would quickly devolve into beasts, more violent, tactless, aggressive, and selfish, than we already are.

      Today, we know that this isn't true. With the discovery of mirror neurons by Italian neuroscientist Giaccomo Rizzolatti in the 1990s, we now have physiological proof of why - and how - our species became hard-wired for goodness. Mirror neurons are miraculous cells in the brain whose sole purpose is to harmonize us with our environments. By reflecting the outside world inward, we
      actually become each other - a little bit; neurologically changed by what is happening around us. Mirror neurons are the reason that we have empathy and can feel each other's pain. It is because of mirror neurons that you blush when you see someone else humiliated, flinch when someone else is struck, and can't resist the urge to laugh when seeing a group struck with the giggles. (Indeed, people who test for "contagious yawning" tend to be more empathic.) These tiny mirrors are the key to most things noble and good inside us.

      It is through mirror neurons - not God - that we redeem ourselves, achieve salvation, and are "reborn" in virtuous ways once co-opted by religions. Evolution knew what she was doing. A group of successful cooperators has a much higher chance of thriving than a population of selfish liars. In spite of what we read in the headlines, the ratio of bad to good deeds done on any given day across our planet holds at close to zero any day of the year. Although we are ethical works-in-progress, the vast majority of us are naturally positive creatures - meaning not harmful to our environments - most of the time in most of the ways that matter. And God has nothing to do with it.

      Spirituality does but God doesn't. Evolutionary psychologists tell us that our brains are hard-wired with a five-toned moral organ that focuses on a quintet of ethical values - one of which is purity, or sacredness. In a world that can sometimes be disgusting, we evolved an upper tier of emotional longing - the aspiration for purity - to keep us balanced in this satyricon of carnal delights (where animality beckons and frequently wins). Our need for sacredness is part of our ancient survival apparatus, and manifests in what we call faith, the need to connect with that sacred dimension. This has been the primary purpose of religion, of course - to congregate people for the Greater Good - but God
      has been, in fact, the divine carrot. The important part was communion, a context in which to transcend ourselves, if only for an hour on Sundays. Without this ability "to turn off the Me and turn on the We," moral psychologist Jonathan Haidt tells us, our species would still be wandering around as groups of nomads, unable to create a civilization.

      Aside from mirror neurons, there's oxytocin, the molecule of connection (also known as the molecule of love). It's fascinating to learn that the vagus nerve produces more oxytocin when we witness virtuous behavior in others that makes us want to be better people ourselves. We are wired by nature to be elevated at the sight of other people's goodness, mirror neurons and oxytocin conspiring to improve the species. Miraculous though it is, this natural human phenomenon has nothing to do with theology.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Arguments ex antiquity are illogical. Should we therefore presume Observer has no morals?

      July 8, 2013 at 2:44 pm |
    • Harry Hippobottomus

      A. That's not even close to "miserable", and by your definition Christians are very miserable for the world does NOT operate the way the Bible says it does.

      B. You have copped out to changing the subject, because your first post was NOT about morality. Morality without a God has been extensively answered before, but in a nutshell, it has to do with humans being social animals and not liking to see others hurt, that cooperation gives long term prosperity while theft is a one time gain, and if you hurt others you must live in fear of retaliation. There is more, but it is actually why YOU behave morally, not some hypothetical book. Now you get to answer why the more religious parts or the world and the country are more crime-ridden and violent and poor than the more secular parts.

      C. The morality of the Old Testament is abominable. It was never right or good. And Jesus says it is still in force, not one iota ended until heaven and earth pass away.

      D. Learn how to use a reply button.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:46 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      I get my morals from the bible, thats why I own slaves (exodus 21:20-21)

      July 8, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      Actually, beleivers and non-beleivers get their morals from the same place, SOCIETY! If we got our morals from the bible, there would still be laws that allow you to murder non-believers, own slaves, keep woman silent and basically be a jerk to anyone that isnt like you. Thank goodness we dont all your book of hate to run our society. Im not sure you've actually ever read the bible.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:51 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Phil
      Absolute morality doesn't exist.
      If it did, there wouldn't be tens of thousands of sects of Christianity.
      We are selfish creatures by nature, yet our survival depends on cooperation. In order to balance these two conflicting instincts, mankind has had to develop rules that allow room for both.
      These rules are not the same for all communities – hence we've had so many different types of religion and government throughout history.
      Religion binds communities together by giving a common frame of reference. Shared fears (like divine retribution), hopes (like going to heaven) and rituals allow the instinct for self preservation to extend beyond one's self and immediate family.
      This is why the great majority of evolutionary biologists find no conflict between religion and science – as long as religion is recognized solely as a social adaptation.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:51 pm |
    • derp

      "So where do you get the moral law from? That's the questions...that's the gut feeling that something is right or wrong....
      Believers answer: from god...atheist answer: I don't know"

      I'm trying to understand this so please clarify something.

      God made you a sinner (immoral). He gave you a set of rules (morality). He was so sure you would break the rules (immorality), that he murdered his son for you. You willfully recognize that your are a sinner (immoral), pray to the guy who murdered his son to forgive your sins (immorality) and he forgives you (lack of any morality).

      So your god gives you morality, that he knows you will not follow, that you know you won't follow, that you don't follow, and then get a pass on your immoral behavior because he murdered his son for you?

      Yeah, that sound like a great moral foundation.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:53 pm |
    • Athy

      Phil, our morality is "built" into us by millions of years of evolution. It's called altruism, and was necessary for our survival as a species. No god necessary. That concept is probably well over your head, but try thinking about if for a while. Maybe you'll get it.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:55 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      I like that Doc. Honest theologians see no conflict between religion and science either. As long as science realizes it is a way to measure the way and is not, of itself, the way.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:55 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      Thats not how science workd, Billy. YOu dont start with the conclusion first! Science fail!

      July 8, 2013 at 2:57 pm |
  4. Jesus

    You know, I was so busy helping Edna Pimples win $5 in the lottery, and helping old Mr. Scraggyface get a parking spot, and, well with all those prayers to be answered, isn't it obvious why I can't save Christians in plane crashes, or stop war or hunger?

    July 8, 2013 at 2:26 pm |
  5. Jimmy Crackedcorn

    Jesus was so intent on killing his own followers that when one actually survived the crash, he had her run over by a fire truck.

    So many Chrisiitan presumptions are proven dead wrong in this, and they go for denial.

    July 8, 2013 at 2:21 pm |
    • derp

      God: "Hey son, you missed one"

      Jesus: "Chill, I got this, watch the fire truck"

      God: "Nice recovery".

      July 8, 2013 at 2:29 pm |
    • craig

      The bible states, It rains on the just and unjust. As born again believers we understand this. Bad things happen, to all. But knowing who I will spending eternity with helps get me through even the toughest of times.

      July 8, 2013 at 4:54 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @craig –

      Believing and knowing are are not the same thing. You believe. You do not know.

      July 8, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
  6. Chinese Student

    Thanks god!

    It's a miracle that so few people died in this plane crash.

    I mean, it kind of sucks that one of them was me, and that all those people suffered such horrendous injuries.

    But hey, thanks for not making it worse than it already was!

    You're awesome!!

    July 8, 2013 at 2:19 pm |
  7. Phil in Texas

    Interesting set of comments from all. But no one has asked the question that if there is no God, then what's the difference how many were killed. From where is the value of a life if we are simply the result of randomness and chance? If you only live and die and that's all...then what difference does it make if its a short time?....it is only when there is value that it matters and if there is value from where does it come? The atheist viewpoint has no answer for that. Respectfully submitted

    July 8, 2013 at 2:15 pm |
    • Wow

      Really? You can't comprehend the obvious?

      If life is all you have, then life is to be treasured and cultivated. And as Humans are social animals, then the pain, suffering, and loss of others hurts us as well.

      However, if life is nothing but a test or illusion, as Christians tell us, then it is you who have to explain why Christians would care about life and death when ultimately means nothing to God.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:19 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      YOu dont have an answer either. The fact is, we dont know why we are here. However, some of us would rather say I dont know, than to make up a rediculous story about an evil god who kills his own son so that he can learn to forgive. Sorry, but thats just rediculous. Your life isnt any more valuable because you beleive in nonsense. Just like the ancient Egyptians lifes werent any more importanat because they worshiped the sun.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:21 pm |
    • Observer

      Phil in Texas,

      Why do so many Christians believe that without a heaven to go to, that the world that God supposedly created is so miserable?

      July 8, 2013 at 2:23 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      "The atheist viewpoint has no answer for that"

      So you would rather beleive in a lie than just say "I dont know"? Thats pretty pathetic.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:23 pm |
    • derp

      "If you only live and die and that's all...then what difference does it make if its a short time?"

      If as soon as you die, you get to go to never never land where the streets are lined with gold and there is free beer for everyone, what difference does it make if it's a short time. Shouldn't you be in hurry to meet jesus and have endless supplies of beef jerky and keystone light.

      Atheists value life because we aren't so stupid as to believe that you get an "everlasting do over" if you kiss Jesus' derriere while here on earth.

      Christianity is the absence of morality.

      Atheists don't need a magic book and a sky dwelling boogey man to appreciate life on earth and be good to our fellow man.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:26 pm |
    • Phil in Texas

      Well there is a much deeper discussion at hand. As an atheist, you have no real answers for value. You really mean that value comes from the scarcity of time. No...theres too many lives out there to replace the one lost. Dogs are social animals too but they dont hold services. The value of life at the individual level is there becaseu it comes from outside of oneself.
      The atheist point of view is one that is unsustainable given the facts And one that involves a willfull disregard of the obvious.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:30 pm |
    • Pete

      "The atheist point of view is one that is unsustainable given the facts And one that involves a willfull disregard of the obvious."

      That's why the more a society becomes less religious, the healthier and happier the people become in that society.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
    • Pete

      "As an atheist, you have no real answers for value."

      That's the excuse Christians have to use so they don't have too look at how negative and of no value the lives they are living.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
    • Observer

      Phil in Texas,

      Christians aren't nearly as stupid as you think they are. Most of them are bright enough to believe in concepts like treating each other like we'd like to be treated. They don't need a 2,000-year-old book to tell them that.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
    • ReligionIsBS

      LOL. You just got royally burned becuase we just explained to you that the christian value of life is nothing, because you get to go to eternal disney land when you die. Then, instead of admitting that you are arong, you start ranting some other BS! Priceless!

      July 8, 2013 at 2:38 pm |
    • derp

      "Well there is a much deeper discussion at hand. As an atheist, you have no real answers for value"

      My value of life comes from the enjoyment I have from living it. I have a fantastic life, I'd like to keep living it as long as possible. I know that when I die, it's game over. The fact that I don't believe in an everlasting do over, is the main reason why I value every minute I get here.

      N"o...theres too many lives out there to replace the one lost"

      But there is only one of each life. Just because someone will be here after I die, does not make me want to die soon.

      "Dogs are social animals too but they dont hold services"

      On;y someone who is dumber than my dog, would make that comment.

      "The value of life at the individual level is there becaseu it comes from outside of oneself"

      Not for me. I value the time I have here, my friends and my family. I don't need an afterlife, or an imaginary space friend to make my life more valuable.

      "The atheist point of view is one that is unsustainable given the facts"

      We can debate that when you actually present a fact.

      "And one that involves a willfull disregard of the obvious"

      You have made not one salient, let alone obvious point.

      If heaven is so great, why not get on with going there?

      Why waste time on earth, if heaven is so much better?

      July 8, 2013 at 2:39 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Phil
      Beware of Pascal's Wager.
      Are you certain that the way to Eternal Paradise is to be humble?
      What if the Norse were right and you need to die gloriously in battle, bathed in the blood of your vanquished foes?
      What if the Hindus are right and you'll be reincarnated?
      There have been countless stories told of what comes after death – none of which can be proven.
      But if your sole reason for living a good life is either fear of posthumous punishment or hope of eternal reward, that isn't really morally sound, is it?

      July 8, 2013 at 2:47 pm |
  8. derp

    "We want to grieve. We want to be real and we want love these families that have lost their loved ones,”

    that is about the nicest comment I have heard from a person of faith regarding this incident.

    No thanking god for fewer fatalities, just an honest concern for the families who lost children.

    Well played.

    July 8, 2013 at 2:10 pm |
  9. aallen333

    Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved. Why do you place so much weight on those that are temporal and soon pass away but neglect your spirit which is eternal and will last forever!

    July 8, 2013 at 2:06 pm |
    • Naw

      Fallacy of Argument From Assertion.

      Total lack of evidence for anything you say. You may as well say God created the Earth from leftover Spam.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:15 pm |
    • John Stemberger

      aallen333

      Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.
      ------
      Based on????????????????????

      July 8, 2013 at 2:16 pm |
    • derp

      "God created the Earth from leftover Spam."

      He didn't?

      July 8, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
    • fintastic

      Wonderful spam!!!

      July 9, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
  10. Dyslexic doG

    a Christian has just told me that it says in the bible that sa.tan is "lord of the air" so this crash wasn't his god's doing, it was sa.tan's. go figure.

    July 8, 2013 at 1:58 pm |
    • derp

      If a boxer dies during a fight, is it because of "The Lord of the Rings".

      July 8, 2013 at 2:11 pm |
  11. Christian

    Yeah though I fly through the landing of darkness, I shall fear no evil, because you are with me. But I should fear, because you don't do shit.

    July 8, 2013 at 1:56 pm |
    • derp

      Jesus was busy supervising Tim Tebow's off season workouts.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:12 pm |
  12. Dyslexic doG

    If I was powerful enough to have created the universe, I wouldn't have let the plane crash. That’s the difference between me and your God.

    July 8, 2013 at 1:55 pm |
  13. I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

    The victims of proselytism.

    July 8, 2013 at 1:49 pm |
  14. Tim the Enchanter

    Jesus saves, almost!

    July 8, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
  15. Dyslexic doG

    my thoughts go out to the families of these girls. it is a tragic loss for them.

    there is no need to wrap that feeling up in any bronze age voodoo. Just leave it at a moment's solidarity with a person in pain. If we keep it to the facts, it can still be an act of goodness toward a fellow inhabitant of this world. Keep it as a no fairy tale zone.

    July 8, 2013 at 1:44 pm |
  16. aallen333

    It's a miracle that there were not more fatalities. In this I see the providence of God. As for the two Christian girls who did not make it, as Christians we trust in God's providence and that He will at times take some from us to be with Himself to protect them from the evil day that only He can foresee. As followers of Christ, de-th does not carry the same weight and sting as it once did before they believed, for to live is Christ but to di- is gain because to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

    July 8, 2013 at 1:42 pm |
    • Observer

      Was that the same God who sat around and watched 26 people (mostly chlidren) get murdered in the school?

      July 8, 2013 at 1:44 pm |
    • Which God?

      @333. that has to be the biggest pile of bs spewed yet, Your god failed these two young believers, and let the "sinners" on that aircraft live. Stupid argument. Dumber premise.

      July 8, 2013 at 1:48 pm |
    • bostontola

      allen,
      Many of the survivors will be paralyzed and greatly hurt by this. To call this a miracle of your god is an insensitive and self serving rationalization.

      July 8, 2013 at 1:49 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      That doesn't make much sense – your god is powerful enough to save but limits that power for unknown reasons and arbitrarily allows certain people to die and others to suffer terrible pain and that in just one incident. Just randomness and uncertainty – no sky fairy involved.

      July 8, 2013 at 1:51 pm |
    • aallen333

      @Observer I have in times past also asked why. But I have learned not too question, doubt or blame God for the evil actions perpetrated by men.

      July 8, 2013 at 1:52 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      then even if you disregard all of the millions of innocents that are taken to your god via crashes, starvation, murder, burning, disasters, disease ... that he could have prevented if he had even cared to will it, how do you justify the ra.pes, torture, disfigurement, agony that people go through when god isn't taking people to him? how do you justify your god letting his own priests mo.lest.ing little boys and girls in his name? How do you justify your god letting millions be ra.ped and tortured in his name or in other gods names?

      I wait with bated breath ...

      July 8, 2013 at 1:53 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      By this reasoning the same providential God allowed the pilots to inattentively drive their airplane into the seawall at the end of the runway.

      Why didn't your God miraculously remind the pilots that they were going to stall before the avionics did?

      July 8, 2013 at 1:54 pm |
    • Observer

      aallen333

      "@Observer I have in times past also asked why. But I have learned not too question, doubt or blame God for the evil actions perpetrated by men."

      You have learned to only listen to good from God and pretend there is no bad.

      Perhaps, you might try to raise your level of logic.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:00 pm |
    • derp

      "It's a miracle that there were not more fatalities"

      Two dead and scores critically injured and this is a miracle?

      What kind of retarded logic is that?

      If I smash you in the face with a brick and you don't die, will you call it a miracle, or assault?

      The brazen narcissism of the faithful is completely immeasurable.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:15 pm |
    • pfr1nk

      It is easier to make believe then to deal with reality. Got it.

      /But my mind wont let me believe in the unbelievable.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:54 pm |
  17. Dyslexic doG

    Christianity completely fails at times like these.

    If the christian god is powerful enough to have created the universe and controls all things, why would he kill those poor girls or allow them to be killed by his inaction?

    It says in the bible, in many, many places, that if people pray for something then god/jesus will grant that to them. do you really think these girls weren't praying for their safety as the plane crashed?

    July 8, 2013 at 1:29 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Why don't you ask him?

      July 8, 2013 at 1:31 pm |
    • Doobs

      @ Bill Deacon

      If your imaginary god is anything like you, he'll run away when the tough questions get asked.

      July 8, 2013 at 1:36 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      @Bill

      I believe that talking to imaginary friends is a sign of mental issues. For that reason I won't be asking questions of any nonexistent god.

      July 8, 2013 at 1:38 pm |
    • derp

      "Why don't you ask him?"

      Because imaginary sky wizards don't answer sane people.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:31 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      I think what you are describing is known as "contempt prior to investigation". The other possibilities are A. you can't quiet your internal noise enough to hear the answer or B. You don't really want to know the answer.

      July 8, 2013 at 2:49 pm |
    • derp

      "The other possibilities are A. you can't quiet your internal noise enough to hear the answer or B. You don't really want to know the answer"

      You forgot C

      C = Sane people don't seek or get answers from non existent man made deities.

      Why don't you ask god for tomorrow's lottery numbers?

      July 8, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
    • craig

      That is why Gods thoughts are not ours, he sees all. We cannot wrap our mind around what just happened, but he knows best. The plane crashed because the pilots let the plane almost stall. It was an accident. Plain and simple. It was tragic.

      July 8, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
  18. Just Passing By

    I don't think they're trying to be "clever". While it is a very sad time that these friends and families go through, I can understand how many atheists see this and think "Why do people still believe in God?" and "Why don't people just admit their religion is a crutch" and all that. Honestly, I think that many atheists just have a genuine care for their fellow man and don't want to see them go down the "wrong" path. Much like Christians don't like to see atheists go down the "wrong" path. While I speak for neither, I think that a healthy discussion of the matter ought to take place without ad hominem arguments or insults.

    July 8, 2013 at 1:28 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      great comment. please pass by more often.

      July 8, 2013 at 1:31 pm |
  19. Hmm

    Really? Seems to me you're the only one making an issue out of it. Starting a fight so you can feel victimized already, huh?

    My condolences to the family of the two girls.

    July 8, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
  20. *

    And here comes all the "clever" atheists that are going to blame God for not saving someone or to insult those that are grieving over other ppl dying.

    July 8, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
    • bostontola

      No. It's a terrible thing that 2 young people traveled on what was to be a fun journey and ended up killed. I feel for their families, it has to be hard to believe for them. My condolences to their family, friends, and all those who grieve them.

      July 8, 2013 at 1:15 pm |
    • Akira

      Losing a child is the worst thing a parent can ever go through.
      My sympathy goes out to the families, and to the community.

      July 8, 2013 at 1:25 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      it's not clever to ask the obvious question.

      If your god was powerful enough to have created the universe and controls all things, why would he kill those poor girls or allow them to be killed by his inaction?

      Don't make out like atheists are doing anything wrong by asking this question. That's a distraction on your part to dodge answering the question!

      July 8, 2013 at 1:25 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Nice try, attempting to blame atheists fo starting a fight you in fact initiated. But now that you have opened the door, Maybe the Chinese gods were upset that another god was stealing its members. . .

      July 8, 2013 at 1:34 pm |
    • Doobs

      Here come all the "compassionate, loving" christians looking for a reason to feel persecuted.

      July 8, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
    • Really-O?

      The circumstances of flight 214 clearly demonstrate that we live in a probabilistic universe.

      July 8, 2013 at 1:42 pm |
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