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Satanists square off on abortion (Yes, really)
The UK Church of Satan says it supports a variety of views on abortion. But is the church real?
July 9th, 2013
03:27 PM ET

Satanists square off on abortion (Yes, really)

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN)- Are Satanists for or against abortion? Apparently, there's a hot debate.

A group calling itself the "UK Church of Satan" on Twitter says it's open minded, tweeting out "Why Wouldn't Satanism be pro-life?" on July 5.

But the High Priest of the New York-based Church of Satan says it's squarely in the abortion-rights corner.

How to settle this diabolical duel?

Let's back up first.

As Texas legislators debated a law last week that would restrict abortions in the Lone Star State, a group of abortion rights protesters tried to drown out a group of anti-abortion protesters at the state capitol by chanting "Hail Satan!"

The phrase trended on Twitter. Megapastor Rick Warren rapped our wrists (and The Associated Press's, too) for not covering the "Hail Satan" serenade. Actually, pastor, our man Josh Rubin was on the ball.

The UK Church of Satan (assuming it's real) jumped on the trend, tweeting on July 3:

Which raises the question: What does Satanism represent?

We asked the New York-based Church of Satan, and we got an earful.

First of all, Magus Peter H. Gilmore, High Priest of the Church of Satan, told us, there is no "UK Church of Satan."

"I have not authorized any of our UK members to create such a thing claiming to represent our organization, its members and our philosophy," Gilmore said. "So, whoever is behind that feed is committing a fraud."

Gilmore's group, which, unlike the UK church, has a website, also keeps a P.O. Box in New York City. (Radio City Station of all places. Watch out, Rockettes.)

As a matter of policy, the Church of Satan doesn't give out exact membership numbers, the magus said, but it's in the thousands.

"Our organization, founded by Anton LaVey in 1966, is worldwide," Gilmore told CNN in an e-mail, "and we have many members throughout the UK and none of them have heard of any self-proclaimed 'Church of Satan in England.' There was a hoax using a title like this a year or so ago as a political prank."

We put the question to the UK Church of Satan,  who said, "There is no 'UK' Church of Satan. It's worldwide. We represent and connect those followers 'in' the UK."

We've followed up with more questions but haven't heard back yet.

To be sure, the UK Satanists' tweets have been surprisingly unsulfurous.

Take this one, for example:

Or this sweet-natured nugget:

This is a church that worships the Prince of Darkness? And who in hell is JMG?

Getting back to abortion, here's what the supposed UK Church of Satan said:

Yeah, kinda, Gilmore told CNN. But there's much more to it than that.

Many Satanists practice "rational birth control," saith Satanism's high priest, leaving matters of personal morality up to individuals.

"We generally consider the use of abortion to be the purview of the woman whose body is carrying the child," Gilmore said. "We consider sexual experiences to be an indulgence between consenting adults that should be taken seriously, particularly when the possibility of pregnancy is concerned."

But the magus didn't appreciate hearing the name of his lord taken in vain.

"Shouting `Hail Satan!' to abortion protesters is both ludicrous and meaningless," said Gilmore, who's led the Church of Satan since 2001. "Only attention-seeking fools would do so."

Unsurprisingly, Satanists take a strong stand on separation of church and state, believing the government "should be entirely secular."

"So religion should neither force upon nor deny an abortion for any woman, in our thinking," Gilmore said. "Freedom with responsibility is the hallmark of civilized behavior to the Satanist."

Now that that's settled, what's the Satanic stance on gay marriage?

***

In a follow-up email, Gilmore made it clear that Satanists don't actually deify Satan. In fact, they're atheist, he said, and use Satan as a "symbol of pride, liberty and individualism."

"If you chose to mock us, then you should have done so based on what our philosophy actually is, rather than on an assumed `horror film' stereotype," the magus said.

Fair criticism. We'll try to improve our coverage of Satanism.

Oh, one more thing. Gilmore said the Church of Satan does approve of same-sex marriage.

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Abortion • Church and state • Culture wars • Satanism

soundoff (2,331 Responses)
  1. katincal

    And who really care what Satanists think?

    July 10, 2013 at 9:44 am |
    • Agnostickids

      Well...Santanists probably care...

      I mean, who really cares what christians think? We've had to hear about it for almost 2 thousand years...BORING!

      July 10, 2013 at 9:52 am |
  2. Cthullu

    Jesus? Satan? Mohammed? Really??

    Cthullu is old school.... like really old school. Just waiting in the city of R'lyeh.....

    July 10, 2013 at 9:38 am |
    • Hollywood Clueless

      In some strange eon even death may die....

      July 10, 2013 at 9:46 am |
  3. Agnostickids

    But the BIG question is...

    If Eve doomed the entire human race for an apple, what would she do for a Klondike bar???

    July 10, 2013 at 9:35 am |
    • snowboarder

      i really did laugh out loud at that one.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:45 am |
    • Hollywood Clueless

      That was pretty good I didn't see it until someone commented. Delayed lol.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:47 am |
    • BuddhaCatMac

      funny how everyone here wants to debate satanism and christianity but none can answer your one true quesion...Agnostickids

      @Agnostickids:
      But the BIG question is...

      If Eve doomed the entire human race for an apple, what would she do for a Klondike bar???

      July 10, 2013 at 10:04 am |
    • peridot2

      It wasn't for an apple. *sigh* It was for what the apple represented: self awareness, comprehension of the difference between good and evil. We don't know if it was an apple. We don't know what fruit it was. You do know this is a metaphor, written by neolithic men who were unaware the world was round?

      What happened was that Adam and Eve became autonomous. What did Adam do? He blamed it all on Eve.

      July 10, 2013 at 10:51 am |
    • Agnostickids

      @ peridot...um, your bible says apple, not "Eve, this apple represents....blah, blah, blah."

      Again you're proof of why there are so many different christian sects in the world...you people will pull any explanation out of your *** to try to explain away your ignorance.

      July 10, 2013 at 10:56 am |
    • peridot2

      Which translation are *you* using? The King James, right? New International? Greek? American Standard?

      There is no one single Bible, and I have several on MY shelf. Several of them say simply, 'the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge,' and there is no reference to 'apple.'

      Check and mate.

      July 10, 2013 at 11:06 am |
    • peridot2

      MY point is there is no 'one true version' just as there is no single version of Christianity. There are 30,000 different Christian faiths, there are I don't know how many forms of Judaism, there is the Mormon faith, there is the Muslim faith, there are other worship denominations...and NONE of them belong in government or schools.

      If you are unaware there's more than one version of the Bible, you're quite uninformed. It was never an apple. Paintings show an apple tree, especially from the Middle Ages and the Renaissance. Getting Biblical lore from art is not optimal. When you get to college, take a class on religion.

      July 10, 2013 at 11:12 am |
    • Johnny

      If they didn't know the difference between good and evil then god is a real jerk for punishing all of humanity for their actions. Why did god want humans to be stupid?

      July 11, 2013 at 12:40 pm |
  4. Hollywood Clueless

    Do any of us honestly know anything about satanism besides what we know from Marilyn Manson and Ozzy? I honestly don't. When I look at the cover for this article I want to turn it over and see what songs are on the back.

    July 10, 2013 at 9:32 am |
    • umm

      I do. The church of Satanism was founded in 1966 and was created as a humanistic religion that puts an emphasis on personal happiness. It is the acceptance that all actions are inherently selfish and one should strive to become the best self one can be. The name was taken from the allegory of Adam and Eve where Satan was trying to have them eat from the tree of knowledge so they they could be given free will and make choices for their own. Satan wanted mankind to forge a path for themselves instead of blindly following a tyrant God.

      Thus Satanism is about embracing our own nature and living a life that is the most satisfactory to us and making our own choices in life.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:58 am |
    • Yikes

      My four year old does that too. Me me me,...mine mine mine. All that AND imaginary friends? My advice to you is loose the dieites and get a better ideology than selfishness.

      July 10, 2013 at 11:06 am |
  5. Fluffy Kittens and Puppies Are Gosh Darned Adorable

    This is 100% relevant.

    [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eovuIfeH2k4&w=640&h=360]

    July 10, 2013 at 9:22 am |
    • Hollywood Clueless

      My husband plays that music all day every day in the garage and it gives me a headache.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:36 am |
    • Fluffy Kittens and Puppies Are Gosh Darned Adorable

      Why? It's magical!

      July 10, 2013 at 9:58 am |
  6. A Believer & Follower of Jesus Christ

    @ Agnostickids – Adam & Eve were told NOT to eat from that tree. Every other tree they could eat of but not THAT one. Adam knew the consequences.

    Also, since we are just talking talk and asking questions. How is it that every word in the bible which was written thousands of years ago can be proven to be accurate in historical facts? How is it that it was written by man's ideas and thoughts and if that was the case why do so many people find it offensive?

    Christianity is not a religion it is a relationship with Jesus Christ. There are people all over who say they are Christians and do the opposite of what it means to be a Christian. Christian is a name that was given to people who followed the teachings of Jesus Christ.

    Remember we are just talking... Has anyone read the bible with an actual open mind? Or do people not believe because they heard someone else say the bible was written by man or that the bible is fake.

    If you take one moment and give consideration to this one thought – If Jesus Christ is not real, why are people offended by His name? If the bible is not real? Why do people fight to take it out of schools and government? If Jesus Christ was just a prophet or a "good" guy then why are millions of people in the 10/40 window being killed because they choose to follow His teachings?

    So many people are going to come down hard on this posting but the questions still need to be asked and weighed and considered.

    July 10, 2013 at 9:07 am |
    • ReligionIsBS

      "How is it that every word in the bible which was written thousands of years ago can be proven to be accurate in historical facts?"

      LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!

      Lets see, on the very first page it says that day and night were created before the sun. Nice history lesson there!

      July 10, 2013 at 9:10 am |
    • ReligionIsBS

      "Christianity is not a religion it is a relationship with Jesus Christ"

      Then why is it classified as a tax exempt religion? Is that just so you can scam uncle sam?

      July 10, 2013 at 9:11 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      So where outside of the buybull is there evidence to support Adam and Eve? There isn't any! So for the normal thinking person, the one who is not gullible and living in fear of a vindictive child abusing-rapist-murderer god, there simply is no reason to accept it. It is hard to fear that which can't be proven to exist.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:11 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      I must have missed that biology lesson where we learned about the Edenian Talking Snake.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:12 am |
    • Agnostickids

      @ a believer...so AGAIN you missed it. Adam would not know what disobedience was if he didn't know right from wrong. Do you not understand that? I mean, really. THINK about it.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:12 am |
    • ReligionIsBS

      "If Jesus Christ is not real, why are people offended by His name?" What are you talking about?

      "If the bible is not real? Why do people fight to take it out of schools and government?" If scientology isnt real, why are people opposing it? Why dont they want it to rule our government? If Hinduism isnt real, why dont people want it ruling our government? If Zues isnt real, why did the ancient romans erad.icate him?

      "If Jesus Christ was just a prophet or a "good" guy then why are millions of people in the 10/40 window being killed because they choose to follow His teachings?"
      Why do people blow themselves for Mohammed? Does that mean he is the real prophet?

      There is no way you are this ignorant...unless you really are a christian.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:17 am |
    • Agnostickids

      In response to your "hard questions"

      a believer wrote: "If you take one moment and give consideration to this one thought – If Jesus Christ is not real, why are people offended by His name? If the bible is not real? Why do people fight to take it out of schools and government? If Jesus Christ was just a prophet or a "good" guy then why are millions of people in the 10/40 window being killed because they choose to follow His teachings?"

      I'm not offended by the name of Jesus Christ at all! Why do you think people are offended by his name...are we melting? No...

      We are offended by his followers that use his name to commit atroci ties. His followers that force people to believe what they do even though they do everything Jesus Christ taught them to do...Do you turn the other cheek???? Do you?

      You answered your own question. People fight to take the bible out of government inst itutions and schools because it is not really the word of a god. Oh, and remember that this country IS founded on the separation of church and state????

      I have no idea where you get your facts on people being killed because they BELIEVE in Jesus, but I'd like to bring to mind The Crusades, The Inquisition...just to name a couple of christian driven times in history where people were indeed killed for NOT believing in your Jesus Christ...

      So...more questions?

      July 10, 2013 at 9:19 am |
    • umm

      Actually, Adam didn't know eating from that tree was "bad", because it was only after eating the fruit of the tree that they were given knowledge between good and evil.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:28 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      "If Jesus Christ is not real, why are people offended by His name? If the bible is not real? Why do people fight to take it out of schools and government? If Jesus Christ was just a prophet or a "good" guy then why are millions of people in the 10/40 window being killed because they choose to follow His teachings"

      Suppose Jesus the Christ is imaginary (not Jesus the entirely human would-be reformer of the Judaism of his time). People surrender themselves to this imaginary figure but live within societies in which the dominant ideas involve perhaps equally imaginary constructs that will not tolerate competition – e.g. Islam in some places. Their minority belief is reviled and attempts are made to purge it. There is nothing supernatural going on, just competition between ideas that are exclusive of one another that people want to use to run their lives.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:29 am |
    • Colin

      "How is it that every word in the bible which was written thousands of years ago can be proven to be accurate in historical facts?"

      Ironic that you should make that claim after referring to Adam and Eve, a couple that any persomn with a third grade education knows were mythical..

      July 10, 2013 at 9:29 am |
    • gladiatorgrl

      Well IF Christianity is a relationship with Jesus then they should give up their TAX EXEMPT STATUS

      July 10, 2013 at 9:30 am |
    • max333344445555

      so we have a snake to thank for knowledge

      July 10, 2013 at 9:33 am |
    • Romans 8:1

      Spiritually blind people cannot see the truth. Only with GOD's help and His Spirit leading, can their hearts been soften and their eyes opened.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:38 am |
    • snowboarder

      @believer, your arguments are childish and hilarious.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:49 am |
    • BuddhaCatMac

      you never answere the REAL question here...what would she do for a Klondike bar? No one posed anything about religion, just knowledge and what would have been done for the bar.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:54 am |
    • Reality

      Adam and Eve? People still believe in these mythical characters?

      An update:

      As per National Geographic's Genographic project:
      https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/

      " DNA studies suggest that all humans today descend from a group of African ancestors who about 60,000 years ago began a remarkable journey. Follow the journey from them to you as written in your genes”.

      "Adam" is the common male ancestor of every living man. He lived in Africa some 60,000 years ago, which means that all humans lived in Africa at least at that time.

      Unlike his Biblical namesake, this Adam was not the only man alive in his era. Rather, he is unique because his descendents are the only ones to survive.

      It is important to note that Adam does not literally represent the first human. He is the coalescence point of all the genetic diversity."

      For your $199 and a DNA swab:

      "Included in the markers we will test for is a subset that scientists have recently determined to be from our hominin cousins, Neanderthals and the newly discovered Denisovans, who split from our lineage around 500,000 years ago. As modern humans were first migrating out of Africa more than 60,000 years ago, Neanderthals and Denisovans were still alive and well in Eurasia. It seems that our ancestors met, leaving a small genetic trace of these ancient relatives in our DNA. With Geno 2.0, you will learn if you have any Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA in your genome."

      o More details from National Geographic's Genographic project: https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/
      "Our spe-cies is an African one: Africa is where we first ev-olved, and where we have spent the majority of our time on Earth. The earliest fos-sils of recognizably modern Ho-mo sapiens appear in the fossil record at Omo Kibish in Ethiopia, around 200,000 years ago. Although earlier fossils may be found over the coming years, this is our best understanding of when and approximately where we originated.
      According to the genetic and paleontological record, we only started to leave Africa between 60,000 and 70,000 years ago. What set this in motion is uncertain, but we think it has something to do with major climatic shifts that were happening around that time—a sudden cooling in the Earth’s climate driven by the onset of one of the worst parts of the last Ice Age. This cold snap would have made life difficult for our African ancestors, and the genetic evidence points to a sharp reduction in population size around this time. In fact, the human population likely dropped to fewer than 10,000. We were holding on by a thread.
      Once the climate started to improve, after 70,000 years ago, we came back from this near-extinction event. The population expanded, and some intrepid explorers ventured beyond Africa. The earliest people to colonize the Eurasian landma-ss likely did so across the Bab-al-Mandab Strait separating present-day Yemen from Djibouti. These early beachcombers expanded rapidly along the coast to India, and reached Southeast Asia and Australia by 50,000 years ago. The first great foray of our species beyond Africa had led us all the way across the globe."

      July 10, 2013 at 9:56 am |
    • Choir Loft

      "What a fool believes no wise man can reason away."
      – Doobie Brothers
      What a Fool Believes
      ***
      Nice try Believer. You stepped up to the plate and hit a long low fly to the outfield. Unfortunately there was no one there to catch it. Bring marshmellows to the game next time. You can enjoy the sweetness while the scoffers burn.
      and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

      July 10, 2013 at 9:57 am |
    • TROGDOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      @A Believer & Follower of Jesus Christ
      Allow me to provide you with a sane, logical response to your query!I have the good news. Unfortunately, it is good for everyone, except for you!
      @ Agnostickids – Adam & Eve were told NOT to eat from that tree. Every other tree they could eat of but not THAT one. Adam knew the consequences.
      -Adam did not know the consequences. Remember, that fruit was supposed to give him knowledge. Prior to eating the delicious fruit, he was an idiot. Imaginary god wanted him to remain stupid so that he wouldn’t be able to think for himself.
      Also, since we are just talking talk and asking questions. How is it that every word in the bible which was written thousands of years ago can be proven to be accurate in historical facts? How is it that it was written by man's ideas and thoughts and if that was the case why do so many people find it offensive?
      -The bible is full of contradictions and proves itself false. I will give you an example or two.
      First, the creation myth. Open your bible and read the first couple chapters in Genesis. Take notes. Notice anything? Why does it have two different creation stories that do not match? The first two chapters of the first book of this alleged word of god couldn’t keep its story straight. Do you think anyone in their right mind should take it as fact?
      Second, christians claim that there is only one god. That god is allegedly jesus. But, jesus is the son, then there’s god the father, and that there holy spirit. Technically, that’s three gods, but it’s supposed to be one god. But in Exodus, god claims it is going to punish the other gods. That means that there are more gods. Exodus 12:12 states that there are other gods, while the rest of the bible makes the claim that there is only one: http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-oneness-unity-one-god.htm
      Third, the bible claims that only the father knows when the second coming of jesus would happen. Of course, jesus is the son, but he doesn’t have a clue as to when he’ll return. But he claims on multiple occasions to know when he’ll return. He tells his contemporaries that he will return before their generation dies. As far as I’m aware, that generation died off roughly 1900 years ago.
      People find the bible offensive because that is exactly what it is. It promotes a lot of terrible things. It gives people instructions on proper slave ownership etiquette to include beating them. It is a terrible book, and it is offensive in that people are stupid enough to believe in it.

      Christianity is not a religion it is a relationship with Jesus Christ. There are people all over who say they are Christians and do the opposite of what it means to be a Christian. Christian is a name that was given to people who followed the teachings of Jesus Christ.
      -No. It is a religion, and nothing more. It has no meaning, and it certainly isn’t based on anything factual.
      Remember we are just talking... Has anyone read the bible with an actual open mind? Or do people not believe because they heard someone else say the bible was written by man or that the bible is fake.
      -People that believe in the bible are those that do not read it with an open mind. In fact, many of those that believe in it are people that go to church and listen to a pastor drone on with some lesson plan they prepared the night before. All of the scripture is cherry picked. The bible is rarely read in its entirety by christians. They conveniently ignore things that should be scrutinized. They try to justify all of the atrocities. And many of them blindly claim that the bible is a perfect book with zero mistakes. One such mistake is where the bible dips into Greek mythology, yet christians have no idea it’s even in there. Tartarus is from Greek mythology, but it’s in the bible.
      Many of the people who have read the bible with an open mind are now atheists. They are atheists because of the bible. That should speak volumes to its

      If you take one moment and give consideration to this one thought – If Jesus Christ is not real, why are people offended by His name? If the bible is not real? Why do people fight to take it out of schools and government? If Jesus Christ was just a prophet or a "good" guy then why are millions of people in the 10/40 window being killed because they choose to follow His teachings?
      -I am personally not offended by his name. The name means nothing. His name wasn’t actually “jesus.” Just another thing christians have wrong, which is typical. People fight to have religion taken out of schools for a number of reasons. Would you want your children being taught to ignore all religions, except for Greek mythology? Would you like them to be taught to ignore science because it makes Zeus angry? If you know something is false, why would you want your children to be forcefed false information and get forced to believe in it? Many of us know that religion is nothing but imaginary superfriends for adults. We don’t want the imaginary friend trash being forced on children. It doesn’t deserve any respect, and it doesn’t have any place in schools where factual information is taught. Furthermore, my tax dollars and religion do not mix. I don’t want a dime of my money going to teaching kids to believe in santa. It isn’t real, and neither are angels or demons. People that get killed in the name of their religion are idiots. People that kill in the name of religion are idiots. They are all brainwashed. Religion is a construct of man with the need for control. Nothing more.
      So many people are going to come down hard on this posting but the questions still need to be asked and weighed and considered.
      -These questions have been asked by people trying with all of their might to make religion relevant, but asking these questions does not make it valid. Religion is nothing but emptiness, and deep down, you know it.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:57 am |
    • cedar rapids

      A Believer & Follower of Jesus Christ @ Agnostickids – Adam & Eve were told NOT to eat from that tree. Every other tree they could eat of but not THAT one. Adam knew the consequences.'

      Are you suggesting god didnt know they would end up eating from the tree?
      I thought he knew everything that would ever happen?
      If so doesnt it therefore mean he put in there on purpose, else whats the point of the tree?

      'How is it that every word in the bible which was written thousands of years ago can be proven to be accurate in historical facts?'
      Yeah interesting claim. Every word huh? er, not so much.

      'How is it that it was written by man's ideas and thoughts and if that was the case why do so many people find it offensive?'

      Because people can find other people's ideas offensive. Are you suggesting people shouldnt hate hitler for his ideas on what to do with the jews because he also was a man?

      'Has anyone read the bible with an actual open mind? Or do people not believe because they heard someone else say the bible was written by man or that the bible is fake.'

      No I dont believe because i heard so one else say its fake, I know its nonsense because the idea that a person walked on water is ridiculous, and the idea that any form of deity would create such a bizarre system whereby you have to live to determine where you go when you die, for some reason we have no clue about, is doubly so.

      'If Jesus Christ is not real, why are people offended by His name? If the bible is not real? Why do people fight to take it out of schools and government?'
      His or the bible's reality has little to do with the reality of his 'followers', who are a powerful force and attempt to push their beliefs on others.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:57 am |
    • tallulah13

      "How is it that every word in the bible which was written thousands of years ago can be proven to be accurate in historical facts?"

      And with that one statement, 'believer" negates his/her entire post. Basing your defense on such a patently false premise renders your entire argument pointless.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:58 am |
    • Agnostickids

      Hellooooooo! Everyone that is STILL missing the point that says that Eve was TEMPTED to eat the apple....You can't be TEMPTED if you're an "idiot." Also, why would god create two idiots and leave them in a garden and then get angry with them if they eat the fruit? Dang idiots!

      Keep running around in circles, trying to explain something you don't see, even when you read it. The point of the story of Adam and Eve is that ADAM AND EVE DISOBEYED GOD BY DOING SOMETHING THEY WERE TOLD NOT TO DO AND THUS THEY WERE BANISHED FROM THE GARDEN OF EDEN. Now, you CANNOT disobey something if you don't know what that means. You can't be tempted if you don't know what that is.

      But seriously, why would you believe in a god that created idiots?

      July 10, 2013 at 10:09 am |
  7. Troy

    Christianity and satanism are in the same boat. In fact, one would not exist without the other. Neither would exist with a little rational thinking.

    July 10, 2013 at 9:05 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      You'll find fewer more rational belief systems than non-theistic Satanism.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:13 am |
    • JonathanL

      Sorry to infomrm you but Satanism is just another deistic religion. I am not a deist, so I never get into these disputes wabout whose god or gods are more powerful, which ones exist and which ones don't. The earliest Satanists were the Ophites (and ancient cult) who believed that the god was trying to keep them ignorant and the snake brought them to the tree of knowledge, enlightening them to distiguish right from wrong. So they actually interpreted the snake in Eden as a blessing to man. They didn't last very long as a cult because they did not believe in procreation (having babies).

      July 10, 2013 at 9:25 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      There's non-theistic Satanism also. The Church of Satan is one such organization.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:32 am |
    • pplr1

      You're both wrong.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:33 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      No I'm not.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:38 am |
  8. Bleh

    The apocalypse will come in the form of the StayPuft Marshmallow man

    July 10, 2013 at 9:04 am |
  9. Reality

    Beyond the inanity of Satan:

    And why are there ~ one million abortions every year in the USA?

    The failure rate of unprotected se-x ? As per Guttmacher, 85%

    The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":

    – (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
    – (Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)

    Followed by: (the two most widely used forms of contraception)

    The Pill, at 0.3 percent (33,000 unplanned pregnancies)

    Male condom at 2.0 percent (138,000 unplanned pregnancies)

    So where is the problem?

    ACTUAL FIRST-YEAR CONTRACEPTIVE FAILURE RATES – Guttmacher Inst-itute

    Percentage of women experiencing an unintended pregnancy

    Method……………..Typical %

    Pill……… 8.7 (resulting in one million unplanned pregnancies- the Pill was not taken daily was the major reason for the high failure rate)

    Male condom ……….17.4 (resulting in one million unplanned pregnancies- the condom was available but was not used is the major reason for the high failure rate)

    All the numbers are posted on line by Guttmacher if you want to run the calculations.

    So again we see the BRUTAL EFFECTS OF STUPIDITY!!!!

    July 10, 2013 at 9:03 am |
  10. Romans 8:1

    Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as HE is righteous.

    He who sins is of the devil, for the devil sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of GOD was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.

    July 10, 2013 at 9:00 am |
    • I'm a Realist

      god is the master witch

      July 10, 2013 at 9:03 am |
    • Reality

      Hmmm, let us see what some of the contemporary experts have to say about the "Son of God/the Father references in the NT:

      Matt 7:21
      “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven."

      Not said by the historical Jesus, but more embellishment my Matthew. http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php/111_Invocation_without_Obedience

      Matt 9:6 Passage notes "Son of Man" not Son of God.

      http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php/127_Sickness_and_Sin

      Matt 10:32-33, ""Everyone therefore who acknowledges me before others, I also will acknowledge before my Father in heaven; /33/ but whoever denies me before others, I also will deny before my Father in heaven"

      "Ludemann [Jesus, 344] states " this is a prophetic admonition from the post-Easter community. For it, Jesus and the Son of man were 'identical in the future: Jesus will return in the near future as the Son of man with the clouds of heaven. In his earthly life he was not yet the Son of man, since he will come to judgment only with the clouds of heaven (Dan. 7.13f) at the end of days' (Haenchen)."

      Matt 11:27 "All things have been handed over to me by my Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

      http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php/045_Father_and_Son and

      "Lüdemann [Jesus, 330f] invokes the classic description from K. Hase of this passage as a "thunderbolt from the Johannine heavens." He notes the typically Johannine reference to mutual knowledge between Father and Son, and the absolute use of "Son" as a designation for Jesus. In dismissing the saying's authenticity, Luedemann also notes the similarity to ideas in the post-Easter commissioning scene at Matt 28:18, "All authority has been given to me ..."

      Matt 1:20- 225 (another angelic requirement)

      20/ But just when he had resolved to do this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife, for the child conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. /21/ She will bear a son, and you are to name him Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins." /22/ All this took place to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: /23/ "Look, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall name him Emmanuel," which means, "God is with us." /24/ When Joseph awoke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him; he took her as his wife, /25/ but had no marital relations with her until she had borne a son; and he named him Jesus."

      "Bruce Chilton

      In Rabbi Jesus: An Intimate Biography (2000), Chilton develops the idea of Jesus as a mamzer; someone whose irregular birth circ-umstances result in their exclusion from full participation in the life of the community. He argues for the natural paternity of Joseph and finds no need for a miraculous conception. In his subsequent reconstruction of Jesus' life, Chilton suggests that this sustained personal experience of exclusion played a major role in Jesus' self-ident-ity, his concept of God and his spiritual quest. "

      Mark 1: 11 And a voice came from heaven, "You are my Son, the Beloved; with you I am well pleased."

      http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php/058_John_Baptizes_Jesus

      "Gerd Lüdemann

      Lüdemann [Jesus, 9] affirms the historicity of Jesus being baptized by John, but does not trace the theological interpretations back beyond the post-Easter community:

      ... Jesus did not regard his baptism as appointment to be the son of God. The underlying concept derives from the community, which believed in Jesus as the son of God (cf. Gal. 2.16; 4.4) and located his appointment within his lifetime. In the earliest period, for example, the appointment of Jesus as son of God came only after his resurrection from the dead (cf. Rom. 1.4).

      "John P. Meier – Notre Dame professor of Theology

      The second volume of A Marginal Jew devotes considerable space to a study of John as "mentor" to Jesus. The historicity of the baptism is addressed on pages 100-105, before considering the meaning of Jesus' baptism on pages 106-116. On the basis of the criterion of embarrassment, supported by a limited proposal for multiple attestation (relying on possible echoes of a Q version in John's Gospel and in 1 John 5:6), Meier concludes:

      We may thus take the baptism of Jesus by John as the firm historical starting point for any treatment of Jesus' public ministry. (II,105)

      Having established the historicity of the baptism event, Meier is adamant that the narrative must be seen as a Christian midrash, drawing on various OT themes to assert the primacy of Jesus over John. In particular, Meier insists that the theophany must be excluded from all attempts to understand the event, since it is a later Christian invention rather than a surviving memory of some actual spiritual experience of Jesus.

      Meier's discussion of the meaning of the baptism puts great weight on the fact that accepting baptism implied Jesus' agreement with John's apocalyptic message, and also engages at length with the question of Jesus' sinlessness."

      July 10, 2013 at 9:13 am |
    • All Hail Megatron

      So the son of God was manifested to destroy freedom and choice?

      July 10, 2013 at 9:27 am |
  11. TC

    WOW, some of these comments are scary. I feel sorry for you on judgement day.

    July 10, 2013 at 8:53 am |
    • I'm a Realist

      haha.. judgment day.. religion loves to scare with their fake stories.. Sad religions scare their children with hell and fire. They they call their children sinners..

      Well if that isn't brainwashing 101.

      July 10, 2013 at 8:59 am |
    • Bleh

      God isnt real

      July 10, 2013 at 9:05 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      What's scarier is that it is the 21st century and you still believe in the lies told within the buybull. It is the fact that you live in fear of a god that, like many other gods, can't even be shown with evidence to exist. Judgement day is non-existent in the real world, so most of us who see things outside of that giant book of fairy tales are not worried...we live in reality and not in fear.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:08 am |
    • Agnostickids

      When is judgement day? Had god told you personally when it will happen? What happened to Jesus dying for everyones sins? How can there be a judgement day if he died for everyone already????

      July 10, 2013 at 9:11 am |
    • Pallas Athena

      As a Christian, I can't say I feel sorry for them.
      Judgment not up to me, anyway and the way they choose to live is a deliberate choice.
      Alls I know is they are going to have to pay that tab they are running up sometime.....

      July 10, 2013 at 9:27 am |
    • Fluffy Kittens and Puppies Are Gosh Darned Adorable

      Another Poe.

      July 10, 2013 at 10:08 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      TC
      I feel sorry for you everyday, living your life as if there was a judgement day.

      July 10, 2013 at 10:49 am |
  12. Are you Kidding?

    Since when do these dummies get a say in anything?

    July 10, 2013 at 8:50 am |
    • Troy

      Since when do YOU get to say anything??

      July 10, 2013 at 9:00 am |
    • Truth Prevails :-)

      Dummies?? You mean the people who don't have imaginary friends and are only playing on the poor persecuted christian mind? These people are all around you and are as much a part of society as you are.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:05 am |
    • St. Timothy

      Who knows. But as I pro-lifer, I hope they never stop.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:08 am |
  13. I'm a Realist

    satan is the cool character in the bible fiction.. He never wrote his own bible with his side of the story. Now if that really doesn't define christians and muslims,, they love to judge bash others without any facts, balance or truths.

    July 10, 2013 at 8:46 am |
    • William Demuth

      Alas we can never be sure.

      The winner writes history and destroys the recordings of the loser.

      In fact the Church has destroyed well more history than it has maintained.

      For example, MNAY Gospels were suppressed, including some with references to Christ being Gay and similar radical concepts that would cause todays Church to throw a Pogrom on anyone even SUGGESTING he was anything other than the blue eyed Puritanical Caucasian they are so fond of promoting.

      July 10, 2013 at 8:52 am |
  14. hmmmm

    The ignorance flaunted in these comments is astounding. Open a new tab, go Google up some reading on the subject of Satanism (you'll want to look at LaVeyan Satanism vs theistic Satanism), then come back with some semblance of an educated, relevant comment for us.

    July 10, 2013 at 8:45 am |
    • Agnostickids

      What kind of comment would you like?

      July 10, 2013 at 8:48 am |
    • William Demuth

      Satanism is a Christian sect.

      By definition it is then irrational.

      No God, No Jesus, No Satan, No Kidding.

      July 10, 2013 at 8:54 am |
    • Troy

      Mr Demuth is correct.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:01 am |
    • St. Timothy

      Human beings are not rational. Therefore they do not exist. Hey, this is fun.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:07 am |
  15. weezer

    C'mon. Where's the AC-DC fans? "I'm on a highway to Hell...."

    July 10, 2013 at 8:45 am |
    • Hollywood Clueless

      Wow. AC/DC I almost forgot about them. But remember Queensryche? I traveled out of state just to see them at Hard Rock.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:44 am |
  16. Agnostickids

    If Adam and Eve didn't know good from evil before eating the fruit, then how did they know that eating the fruit would be bad?

    Nobody seems to be able to answer this...

    July 10, 2013 at 8:34 am |
    • Krishna

      No on the burger? Oh well, when you get tired of asking that question...you know where to find me.

      July 10, 2013 at 8:39 am |
    • I'm a Realist

      christians will believe whatever their witchcraft dictates them to

      July 10, 2013 at 8:41 am |
    • JarTr

      A kid may not understand 'why' you tell him/her not to do something (that something they are about to do is dangerous, illegal, immoral, or 'evil'); it only matters that you have commanded him/her not to do it. God commanded them not to, and they did it anyway. From Genesis 2:

      16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

      Pretty straightforward.

      July 10, 2013 at 8:48 am |
    • TC

      Because God told them not to eat the fruit of that tree and Eve did it anyway with the coaxing of Satan

      July 10, 2013 at 8:50 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Since Genteics has proven that the Adam and Eve story is false, this is all moot anyway. Adam and Eve never happened.

      July 10, 2013 at 8:53 am |
    • Norman

      The entire point of that story is to tell us that only God can tell what is good and bad, we can't. It's not that knowledge of good and evil is a bad thing, what God was showing us in that story is that if we depend only on our own knowledge for knowing morality all we'll become is self righteous, not actually righteous. Hence the 'serpent' saying "you will become like Gods and be able to tell good from evil"- it's a warning not to live life solely to serve yourself, which is actually what Satanism is all about.
      On ChurchofSatan.com there are "Sins against Satan", of all things (I know, I was surprised) but the first one is Stupidity. Who decides stupidity?... You do, but that's the entire point, you serve yourself. Actually a lot of today's atheism is the exact same philosophy of serving one's self, minus a few rituals.
      When it comes to pro-life or pro-choice, it all depends on what is the best way to serve the "self" of the person who chooses that. One could have an abortion and happy they denied life to an innocent in favor of their own lifestyle, one could have a baby with the intent on sacrificing it to Satan in some way, shape, or form, it could go lots of different ways for lots of different reasons but contradicting itself is of absolutely no concern as a lot of Satanists also label themselves "nonreligious". Really, anything, ANYTHING, any little thing that will get people to turn away from God is what they're seeking, and that will be all sorts of statements and actions, even if it's just encouraging others to be "nonreligious"...

      July 10, 2013 at 8:56 am |
    • William Demuth

      If you tell your son not to feed the dog and he does, why blame the dog?

      Satan is the ORIGINAL anti Jesus, with a DIECT link to God himself (Some consider him to be a manifestation of those who resisted the Jews in ancient times) Who came about well before Christ.

      Why would a rational God punish the dog (humans) rather than his eldest malevolent son for corrupting the dog?

      July 10, 2013 at 9:00 am |
    • Sandy

      They were simply told by God that they could eat from any tree they desired but NOT this particular tree.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:02 am |
    • Troy

      @ JarTr is Leviticus 18:22 and 18:29 pretty straightforward? Bigots.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:03 am |
    • obewoods

      Adam and EVe did not know good from evil when they ate they fruit. Their failure was not following God;s specific direction, eat of any fruit in the Garden except one. Satan tempted Eve, she convinced Adam to go along with her, and sin entered into the world.
      Pretty basic but only if you believe the bible. If not then you can write your own story.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:04 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      norm
      "Actually a lot of today's atheism is the exact same philosophy of serving one's self, minus a few rituals"

      FALSE statement. You just bore false witness against all atheists.
      We do not believe in the supernatural...that is it. It has nothing to do with ones own personal philosophy. Go bow down to your man made god and beg him for forgiveness for trangressing against your neighbors.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:06 am |
    • Agnostickids

      So...thanks for all the answers, yet all of your dancing around the subject is missing the point (and your personal interpretations are excellent proof of why so many different sects of christianity exist today..)

      Adam and Eve DID NOT KNOW the difference between obey/disobey, they didn't know anything about pride...why would Adam feel that Eve was wrong in the first place? He didn't know what wrong was. What's up with temptation before they ate the fruit? See, you'll answer it so that you feel better, but you know, deep down inside that there is no answer because there was no Adam and Eve.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:10 am |
    • Steve

      The answer to your question is very simple. Adam was told not to eat the "fruit of the knowledge of what is good and what is bad". Adam wasn't required to know what was good or bad he was only required to follow the rules.

      Genesis 2:16-17 GNB He told him, "You may eat the fruit of any tree in the garden, (17) except the tree that gives knowledge of what is good and what is bad. You must not eat the fruit of that tree; if you do, you will die the same day."

      July 10, 2013 at 9:10 am |
    • Agnostickids

      @ steve...and YET you still don't get it. How did Eve tempt Adam if neither of them knew what temptation was?
      Man, you people keep ignoring the facts in your own book!!!!!

      July 10, 2013 at 9:21 am |
    • J-Staff

      That is an easy one, becasue God told them it was wrong. If you have ever had a child of your own then you know that they do not know right from wrong until they mature. They are told not to do things that they dont really understand and are expected to respect the rules that are given to them even though they are truly ignorent to reason behind them.

      July 10, 2013 at 10:12 am |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      @J-staff

      LOL!!!! If you don't understand "good and evil" then you don't understand that disobedience is "evil." Moron.

      July 10, 2013 at 10:16 am |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      @Agnostickids

      Here's a better one. Why did god make the universe balanced on a knife-edge of corruptibility?

      The Christians would have us believe that god made a "perfect" universe but yet it was so fragile and easily messed up that one 14-inch reach of a woman's arm toppled over the whole thing. What ridiculousness? It's like a car maker who makes a car that if you turn the blinker on for the opposite direction of your turn, it turns into a thermonuclear bomb that takes out San Francisco and then we blame the driver and not the automaker for making such a ridiculous contraption capable of such evil.

      July 10, 2013 at 10:21 am |
    • J-Staff

      cpt., It does not matter if they understood that eating the apple was evil, they were forbidden to do it. I tell my 2 year old not to hit our dog in the face. She does inherently know that it is bad, she just knows that it is a rule and that if she breaks that rule there are consequences. If she did understand the morals behind what she was doing then I would not have to tell her. Same thing with Adam and Eve. If they KNEW it was evil then they most likely would not have eaten it in the first place. They had no idea, but that does not mean they can disobey the rules.

      July 10, 2013 at 12:20 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      I'm going to try this one more time, J-Staff, using unreasonable faith that you can't possibly be as stupid as you're sounding right now.

      If your kid didn't understand that it was wrong/evil to disobey, why wouldn't your kid think it was right/good to disobey you?

      You see, you're imaging that somehow Adam and Eve knew disobedience was wrong before they understood "wrong." That's stupid. Stop it.

      July 10, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      And J-Staff, you're ignoring the larger point I made about why in the world god would make a world so fragile. If an auto maker designed a car that went into a nuclear meltdown if the driver ran out of gas would we blame the auto maker or the forgetful driver?

      July 10, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
    • J-Staff

      Cpt. I am going to try and breach your thick scull. Obviously they did not know it was wrong or they would not have eaten it and life as we know it would not exist. It was part of the plan, stan. God knows all, so God knew what was going to transpire. I agree what you are saying tard-o, they were innocent and as such did not know what they were doing was wrong. But they did know that their creator told them not to do it and they did it anyway and that set the wheels in motion for life as we know it.

      July 10, 2013 at 12:45 pm |
    • Observer

      J-Staff

      " It was part of the plan, stan. God knows all, so God knew what was going to transpire."

      It's always interesting to hear Christians claim that other Christians are wrong to claim that "free will" actually exists.

      July 10, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
    • J-Staff

      Observer, if that is your real name, I do believe in free will. Just because God knows what comes next does not mean that there is no free will. Adam and Eve had a choice and they chose to eat the apple. Just because God knew that was going to be the outcome does not mean that Adam and Eve did not make up their own mind about what they were doing. God does not force his will on people, as I believe that our free will is a large part of why we were created in the first place. If we were just a bunch of puppets then there would have been no need to send Jesus into this world as God could just force us not to sin.

      July 10, 2013 at 1:11 pm |
    • Johnny

      So the first time Jar's child disobeys him he is going to throw them out of the house and put a curse on all of their future offspring and their offspring and so on for all of eternity? Because that is basically what god did.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:58 pm |
  17. Agnostickids

    God: "You have offended me! Here, have my son so that you can kill him so I can forgive you!"

    July 10, 2013 at 8:33 am |
    • Krishna

      Hi! I'm Krishna, perhaps I can interest you in a bocca burger.

      July 10, 2013 at 8:37 am |
    • Agnostickids

      Hi Krishna, I'm already a vegan. Thanks though!

      July 10, 2013 at 8:43 am |
    • J-Staff

      No one really knows how we came into existence, but we are here, that you cannot deny. So it is possible that Jesus and God are real, you cannot prove they do not exist. So you are either right or wrong. 50 – 50 odds there. Flip a coin. Guess what, if Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc. are right and God does exist then atheists are screwed. On the other hand if atheists are correct and people simply fall out of existence after death then those that believe in religion will never know the difference. It would seem more logical to believe in a God then not. The consequences are much harsher for those that do not believe, should God in fact exist.
      We are very special beings if you have not noticed; intelligent, passionate and imaginative just to name a few attributes of our species. Everything we are and that we live in had to be created, unless you have proof of spontaneous creation? That being said, I am taking a leap of faith and am going to believe in something that I cannot prove or completely understand, much like the universe and the world we live in. All you atheists seem to be very educated, so let these thoughts sink in and maybe reconsider your stance on religion with the realization that religion will never be substantiated with hard evidence and all your countless questions will always go unanswered. But unless you have an alternative that meets the same criteria as your passionate argument against religion I cannot understand the logic in believing in nothing.

      July 10, 2013 at 10:37 am |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      J-staff, you're being stupid. Just because something isn't disproven, doesn't mean that there's a 50/50 chance that it is true. If I claim to have an invisible, undetectable dragon in my garage, but I tell you that there's no way to prove it, is there a 50/50 chance that I have an invisible and undetectable dragon in my garage? Should you believe that I have that dragon until you can find a way to disprove it?

      July 10, 2013 at 10:42 am |
    • J-Staff

      Capt., there is a 100% chance you will die. After you die you will either move on to something else or cease to exist all together. 50 – 50. Agreed?

      July 10, 2013 at 11:33 am |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      Nobody has any idea what happens when we die. I suspect that it will be quite similar to before being born, but I have no idea.

      The real question is, why are you changing the topic? Are you intelligent enough to figure out where the reasoning was headed, yet cowardly enough to not address it, and foolish enough to think I would fall for your red herring?

      C'mon, get your sh!t together. How stupid is it of me to claim that there's a 50/50 chance I have an invisible dragon in my garage and you should believe unless you can disprove it?

      July 10, 2013 at 11:38 am |
    • J-Staff

      Cpt. I am not changing topics, I was attempting to clarify my point. I am not claiming to have a purple dragon, red dragon or big foot in my garage, I am claiming that we were created and that typically when something is created there is a creator. Do you know the person that built the White House? Most likely not but that does not mean that it just appeared one day out of the blue, it was built by an intelligent creator. We too are of intelligent design and as such most likely have a creator. There are religious texts that were written that attempt to explain where we came from and try and show us how to live in order to obtain salvation. You can bark all day long about dragons and fart monkey's but you just sound like an idiot trying to sound smart. We are both going to die cpt. and until that happens neither of us know what is going to happen. But like I said if I am wrong then I will not know it, if you are wrong you are screwed. That is the bottom line here cpt. You are taking a risk based off of what you think is logical but fail to realize that taking the risk in the first place is not logical at all.

      July 10, 2013 at 12:11 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      And J-Staff, I'm not talking about your belief, or how stupid your belief is, I'm talking about how stupid your reasoning is. You're attempting to convince me with your reasoning, and I'm trying to tell you WHY your reasoning is flawed, and therefore completely ineffective to a person who understands proper logic. The problem is that you are so blinded by your dogma and your goal that you won't listen to common sense reasoning that will help you accomplish what you intend.

      And look up Pascal's Wager and the many rebuttals to it. It's a stupid argument as well, but at least it's a few steps up from the one you came up with.

      July 10, 2013 at 12:21 pm |
    • J-Staff

      Cpt., and another thing dumb butt, a ton of people have "an idea" what happens after death. what a stupid comment! Are you not debating with people that believe in an after life? Way to show your true colors.

      July 10, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      j-staff
      50/50...where did you come up with that number. I bet you just made that up.
      Since no one has an idea of what happens after death (that haas any verifiable evidence of it), there is an infinite number of possibilities. so 50/50 is WAY off the mark. The likelyhood of an afterlife is equal to the number of possibilities involving an after life divided into infinity, so it is an incalculable number.
      You claim that many people have an idea of what happens, which of those ideas have ANYTHING that can back it up?

      July 10, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
    • J-Staff

      Dick, everyone can agree that we die. So when we do die we either cease to exist or move on to an alternate existence. 50/50. It’s a high level breakdown and does not factor in all of the alternate forms of existence but it is a sound representation for my reasoning. I also did claim that many people have an idea of what happens after death, which is a true statement. cpt. dragon pants said that no one has any idea what happens after death and that is just not true so I felt compelled to call him out. So far as backing up the ideas... no hard evidence here. I have never claimed to have hard evidence of what happens after death. So you challenge my post but offer nothing in return, at least cpt. dragon lover retorts with some thoughts of his own. What do you got?

      July 10, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
    • Johnny

      J you could believe in the bible and still be wrong if any of the thousands of other religions invented throughout history are true? For example what if the Vikings were right and you must die in battle to be rewarded in the afterlife?

      July 11, 2013 at 1:06 pm |
  18. tv22

    If you pray at the "church" of Satan, do you pray that you hope to go to hell?

    July 10, 2013 at 8:30 am |
  19. Brian

    So the news media is throwing in their lot with Satan and the atheist gang, just as they do with the terrorists and the morally bankrupt. The celebration of Satan is much worse than abortion, as it is the greater evil. But in a world where abortion is called freedom and greed is celebrated, while children are abandoned and the people are looted, what can one expect? Indeed who really cares what the satanists and terrorists think? There is one God and one truth, no matter what the so-called enlightened try to propagate with sophistry and science. We saw them in antiquity and in the Middle Ages. We are ultimately answerable to go alone! Let us remember, "Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me." Following Satan is the easy short-term path. It takes real work to follow the Way.

    July 10, 2013 at 8:25 am |
    • Løki

      Du bist ein Idiot ... warum gehst du nicht den Artikel lesen, bevor Sie den Mund? ...

      July 10, 2013 at 8:33 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      brian
      "throwing in their lot with Satan and the atheist gang"

      Satanists are not atheists, and atheists are not satanists.
      Atheists don't believe in any of the supernatural claims that you are making..

      "There is one god, one truth".
      Which of the hundreds of One True gods is the one true god, and why do you discard all of the others?

      There is one truith, and in this case, god and satan were both made up by men.

      Grow up.

      July 10, 2013 at 8:35 am |
    • Troy

      You are ignorant and arrogant. A bad combination all to common with holier than thou christians.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:04 am |
    • Pallas Athena

      @Richard "Empty"Cranium....all of you "flaming" atheists (pun intended) are the same: bitter, hollow, vacuous wastes of space. Why do you have a problem with Christianity? You all like to say it's the dark history, but we all know that isn't true. All faiths, including atheism, have dark pasts. Atheism's dark past includes all of the "agnostic" scientists conducting very unethical experiments without the regard for life. So let me guess what your issue with Christianity is.. the basic moral code required, perhaps? You want to do all as you wish like beasts, all the while lying to yourself that there are no consequences, but just because you refuse to acknowledge reality, doesn't mean it ceases to exist. The devil is the king of doubt, and you've walked right into his trap. It's easy to walk back out, because God is forgiving. Quite frankly, God seems to have a great deal of patience for us (read about Cain and Abel). To pull yourself out of the devil's trap, you need to accept Jesus, apologize to Him for your former stupidity, and walk in the Light for the rest of your days.

      July 10, 2013 at 9:17 am |
    • HotAirAce

      Problem with christianity? I don't have a problem with christianity, it's not special, I have a problem with all religions because after thousands of years of making fantastic claims, there is absolutely no factual, verifiable, independent or objective evidence for even the most basic of claims (such as one or more gods exist), and cult members attempt to project their silly beliefs on others by making laws based on their delusions.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:17 pm |
  20. Yarah

    The so called church of satan do believe in a real devil. And they really do worship him.

    July 10, 2013 at 8:24 am |
    • Agnostickids

      No! Really???????

      July 10, 2013 at 8:33 am |
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