Satanists square off on abortion (Yes, really)
The UK Church of Satan says it supports a variety of views on abortion. But is the church real?
July 9th, 2013
03:27 PM ET

Satanists square off on abortion (Yes, really)

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN)- Are Satanists for or against abortion? Apparently, there's a hot debate.

A group calling itself the "UK Church of Satan" on Twitter says it's open minded, tweeting out "Why Wouldn't Satanism be pro-life?" on July 5.

But the High Priest of the New York-based Church of Satan says it's squarely in the abortion-rights corner.

How to settle this diabolical duel?

Let's back up first.

As Texas legislators debated a law last week that would restrict abortions in the Lone Star State, a group of abortion rights protesters tried to drown out a group of anti-abortion protesters at the state capitol by chanting "Hail Satan!"

The phrase trended on Twitter. Megapastor Rick Warren rapped our wrists (and The Associated Press's, too) for not covering the "Hail Satan" serenade. Actually, pastor, our man Josh Rubin was on the ball.

The UK Church of Satan (assuming it's real) jumped on the trend, tweeting on July 3:

Which raises the question: What does Satanism represent?

We asked the New York-based Church of Satan, and we got an earful.

First of all, Magus Peter H. Gilmore, High Priest of the Church of Satan, told us, there is no "UK Church of Satan."

"I have not authorized any of our UK members to create such a thing claiming to represent our organization, its members and our philosophy," Gilmore said. "So, whoever is behind that feed is committing a fraud."

Gilmore's group, which, unlike the UK church, has a website, also keeps a P.O. Box in New York City. (Radio City Station of all places. Watch out, Rockettes.)

As a matter of policy, the Church of Satan doesn't give out exact membership numbers, the magus said, but it's in the thousands.

"Our organization, founded by Anton LaVey in 1966, is worldwide," Gilmore told CNN in an e-mail, "and we have many members throughout the UK and none of them have heard of any self-proclaimed 'Church of Satan in England.' There was a hoax using a title like this a year or so ago as a political prank."

We put the question to the UK Church of Satan,  who said, "There is no 'UK' Church of Satan. It's worldwide. We represent and connect those followers 'in' the UK."

We've followed up with more questions but haven't heard back yet.

To be sure, the UK Satanists' tweets have been surprisingly unsulfurous.

Take this one, for example:

Or this sweet-natured nugget:

This is a church that worships the Prince of Darkness? And who in hell is JMG?

Getting back to abortion, here's what the supposed UK Church of Satan said:

Yeah, kinda, Gilmore told CNN. But there's much more to it than that.

Many Satanists practice "rational birth control," saith Satanism's high priest, leaving matters of personal morality up to individuals.

"We generally consider the use of abortion to be the purview of the woman whose body is carrying the child," Gilmore said. "We consider sexual experiences to be an indulgence between consenting adults that should be taken seriously, particularly when the possibility of pregnancy is concerned."

But the magus didn't appreciate hearing the name of his lord taken in vain.

"Shouting `Hail Satan!' to abortion protesters is both ludicrous and meaningless," said Gilmore, who's led the Church of Satan since 2001. "Only attention-seeking fools would do so."

Unsurprisingly, Satanists take a strong stand on separation of church and state, believing the government "should be entirely secular."

"So religion should neither force upon nor deny an abortion for any woman, in our thinking," Gilmore said. "Freedom with responsibility is the hallmark of civilized behavior to the Satanist."

Now that that's settled, what's the Satanic stance on gay marriage?


In a follow-up email, Gilmore made it clear that Satanists don't actually deify Satan. In fact, they're atheist, he said, and use Satan as a "symbol of pride, liberty and individualism."

"If you chose to mock us, then you should have done so based on what our philosophy actually is, rather than on an assumed `horror film' stereotype," the magus said.

Fair criticism. We'll try to improve our coverage of Satanism.

Oh, one more thing. Gilmore said the Church of Satan does approve of same-sex marriage.

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Abortion • Church and state • Culture wars • Satanism

soundoff (2,331 Responses)
  1. Reality

    Satans/ gods/ jinni, the demons of the demented.

    July 11, 2013 at 2:50 pm |
    • Djinn and tonic

      Personally I think they are pretty cool.

      July 11, 2013 at 7:50 pm |
    • jazzguitarman

      Yes, myths can be cool. I'm watching the movie Jason and the Argonauts on TCM right now!

      July 11, 2013 at 9:28 pm |
  2. faith

    remember the dodo bird

    July 11, 2013 at 2:33 pm |

    • If you can only remember one thing at a time remember the Alamo, or else the Maine.

      July 11, 2013 at 2:35 pm |
    • Observer


      Was that on Noah's ark when EVERY human died?

      July 11, 2013 at 2:35 pm |
  3. Observer


    "never, not once, have the nazi god-hating fascists proven one word of the new testament to be inaccurate in 2,000 years"

    That's a safe bet since there may only be a relative handful of nazis left in the world.

    Others know the Bible is full of errors.

    Did Noah's family survive the Flood or did all human beings die? Take your pick. The Bible says both. OOOOOOOPS!

    Get serious. You keep humiliating yourself.

    July 11, 2013 at 2:00 pm |
  4. Stress management

    I've read the welcome page and I get the idea of self accountability, no dieties, self gratification that's pretty consistant with how all of society is as a whole. If we add to that the need to as it said "toy with other's expectations" of you that seems very high pressure. That takes alot of effort. I'm not advocating laziness I"m just pointing out that stress is bad for the human system.

    July 11, 2013 at 1:59 pm |
  5. Alias

    If ignorance were truly bliss there would be a lot of happy people here.
    There are several different 'Satanic' churches. Much like the WBC is not the right way to classify all Christians, these people are not a fair representation of Satanists.
    The original church was created from the Satan in the Jewish Torah. I mean way back before Christianity, when polytheism was the normal approach to religion.
    It was the Christian theocracy in Europe that called people/groups they didn’t like satanic, evil and practitioners of black magic. Hollywood and rebellious teenagers do not represent the religion very well either.

    July 11, 2013 at 1:59 pm |
    • Djinn and tonic

      That would be a really interesting read.

      July 11, 2013 at 8:21 pm |
  6. lionlylamb2013

    By my understanding natures, Satan was once a beloved son of God but he fell from God's graces for wanting to take his fatherly enthronement away and be the king and ruler of all of God's first born sons.

    July 11, 2013 at 1:42 pm |
    • Observer


      Well done. You actually said something for other people to understand rather than the frequent pompous babble to try to impress yourself. Keep it up. You actually could accomplish something worthwhile.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
    • .

      You're getting better at not being a pseudo intellect fool on here but you still have some work to do.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:48 pm |
    • Jake

      Satan was the most powerful angel and served at the throne of God. He was also the most beautiful angel and thought himself deserving of all the praise and worship God received, so he challenged God's position as ruler of Heaven. He and his followers, a full third of the angels in Heaven, rebelled against God and were cast out. Their beauty was stipped away leaving them disfigured. They are now known as demons and Satan is their leader. They spend their days trying to turn humans away from worshipping God and rejoice at every soul they can jeopardize.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:49 pm |
    • Pete

      "They spend their days trying to turn humans away from worshipping God and rejoice at every soul they can jeopardize."

      Well seeing as only 33% of people on this planet believe in your version of a god, that means 4.6 billion people (and counting) are going to be burned in hell by your god. That means your satan is winning.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:52 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      Satan and god are equally invisible and undetectable, but at least Satan is somewhat reasonable compared to the ridiculousness of his counterpart. I mean, c'mon. An invisible sky wizard chanted magic spells to make the universe in order to sacrifice himself to himself to appease himself by exploiting a loophole he made himself in a configuration he made himself that was so fragile one woman's fruit picking fvcked the whole thing up. Riiiiiight.....

      July 11, 2013 at 1:55 pm |
    • VM


      Yes, that's how the old Hebrew tale goes. How you can type it with a straight face, as if it were real, is astonishing.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:57 pm |
  7. Johnny

    Since Christians consider god to be the most moral thing in the universe I assume that they all throw their children out of the house the first time they disobey them, and then place a curse on all of their future offspring, and so on for all of eternity. God did that to Adam and Eve and Christians are perfectly o.k. with it, but I doubt they would treat their children as poorly as god treated Adam and Eve.

    July 11, 2013 at 1:29 pm |
    • Stupid Atheists

      Hey look I'm an Atheist! I think the universe invented itself!

      July 11, 2013 at 1:31 pm |
    • Observer


      Of course they don't. They just hypocritically pick and choose what they like from the Bible and ignore the rest.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
    • Observer

      Stupid Atheists,

      "Hey look I'm an Atheist! I think the universe invented itself!"

      Nah. God invented himself out of nothing and then invented the universe out of nothing.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:39 pm |
    • lol??

      The A&A's pick and choose in the bible the verses they want to transform.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      Hey, look, what if a big invisible sky wizard chanted magic spells to make the universe and then sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself so he doesn't have torture you forever and ever in an eternal torture pit he made himself even though he claims to love you but won't take five seconds to prove himself beyond doubt like he decided to do with math and chemistry?

      July 11, 2013 at 1:52 pm |
    • Johnny

      I also don't understand the whole " I need to be saved by god from god so that I can spend eternity with god" thing.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:58 pm |
    • mizzraven

      they don't really believe that the universe invented itself do they??

      July 11, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
    • WASP

      @Stupid Atheists
      Hey look I'm an Atheist! I think the universe invented itself"

      no in actuality ATHEISTS simply don't believe in gods.
      you have FAITH that there is a "god"
      atheists have FAITH that there isn't a single god out of the millions created throughout human history.

      now as far as science it seeks the most realible and testible idea about everything in the universe to attempt to explain what we are dealing with; it would be a sad world to live in if science simply said "GOD DID IT"

      what if louie pasture hadn't bothered exploring why his milk maids couldn't be effected by small pox?
      what if the people that discovered crude oil, decided that it was god's domain of what was in the earth?
      what if mass food production, electricity, the written word were all not sought because "god didn't do it"?
      how about if science hadn't sought cures for most of the disease in this world because "GOD CAN DO IT"?

      our world was built by those that said "GOD DIDN'T DO IT, BUT WE CAN."

      and as far as the universe creating itself, YES i did.
      you and everything you see, everything you know, everything you are IS created from energy.
      LAW OF PHYSICS; energy CAN NOT be created nor destroyed.
      thus the universe is a closed system that maintains 100% energy regardless of whatever state it may be in.
      100% at the beginning
      100% during the time of humans
      100% long after we no longer exsist.

      this law can not be superceeded by your "FAITH" in an imaginary god.

      July 11, 2013 at 2:44 pm |
  8. lionlylamb2013

    The harpers have many strings to pluck yet a good harpsichord player comes around once in a lifetime!

    July 11, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
    • Huh???

      The harpies have many strong stop luck yeti are good harpsichord players run aground once upon a time?

      July 11, 2013 at 1:52 pm |
  9. Mona Octavri

    I don't why unbelievers are hailing Satan?

    Because Satan is a prisoner in purgatory hell, he's a criminal and his evil spirits are allowed to roam the earth by God's permission.

    Did you even now that, Jesus owns hell now and "Jesus Has The Keys To Hell"?

    July 11, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      blah blah blah... are you this boring in real life too?

      July 11, 2013 at 1:21 pm |
    • Lestat-ist

      Hail dracula!


      July 12, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
    • Lestat-ist

      I'm sorry that was rude of me.

      July 13, 2013 at 8:22 pm |
  10. Just the Facts Ma'am...

    Satanist = Sauronist

    You can be a Tolkien fan and admire the power of some of it's characters, even Sauron if you wish. You can form a group of like minded individuals who rally around the ideals of the fictional Sauron and call them Sauronists. Would any of them actually believe Sauron exists in some extra-planar world and has the power to influence real events in our world? No. It's the same with Satanists. They take Satan as a fictional charachter who embodies certain ideals, he is the non-conformist, he is the rebel who fights for individual freedom apart from the idealized power structure put forth in the bible.

    If you are not able to understand this basic fact about Satanists then you will forever be relegated to swimming in the shallow end of the pool with the other ignorant pant p is sers.

    July 11, 2013 at 1:03 pm |
    • Dokken

      Generation Y just doesn't "get" the entertainment choices of Generation "X" is about what happened there.

      July 11, 2013 at 5:48 pm |
    • Djinn and tonic

      Like Dungeons and Dragons, or Everquest but with Biblical characters I guess.

      July 11, 2013 at 7:59 pm |
  11. Vic

    I don't know how much I missed but I'm back to the Belief Blog after a few days hiatus with this question about this atricle:

    Why is it called a church?!

    July 11, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
    • Vic


      July 11, 2013 at 12:56 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      I don't know but perhaps for tax and business purposes?

      July 11, 2013 at 12:59 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Why are christian churches called churches, when the word derives from people who worshipped Mithra. Technically all churches are for Mithra, so you'd be better off accepting the words of The Bard...a rose by any other name.... and don't get hung up on the actual words used.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
    • Vic

      Well, I have noticed that each belief system adopts its own name for their place of worship to distinguish themselves from other faiths. Plus, "church" is from the Bible.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:07 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      and we all know that the bible is not plagiarized from pre-existing religions...

      July 11, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Church is in the english translation of the bible. The word itself predates the bible.

      Again, don't get caught up on specific words , especially sinice you are going from a translation.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:16 pm |
    • Just the Facts Ma'am...

      "Old English cirice, circe "church, public place of worship; Christians collectively," from West Germanic *kirika (cf. Old Saxon kirika, Old Norse kirkja, Old Frisian zerke, Middle Dutch kerke, Dutch kerk, Old High German kirihha, German Kirche), probably [see note in OED] from Greek kyriake (oikia), kyriakon doma "Lord's (house)," from kyrios "ruler, lord," from PIE root *keue- "to swell"- etymonline.com

      The word Church is not actually found in the bible, but is translated from the greek word "ekklesia" and hebrew word "Knesiyah".

      In our English Bible the Greek word, "ekklesia" is translated in most places "church." The word "ekklesia" is found in one hundred and fifteen places in the New Testament. It is translated in English one hundred and thirteen times "church" and the remaining times it is translated "assembly." In classical Greek the word "ekklesia" meant "an assembly of citizens summoned by the crier, the legislative assembly."

      July 11, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
    • lol??

      Course the Christians brag about their gubmint Church and don't know the name of the bride.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:44 pm |
    • Candiano

      What religion do you claim to adhere to, lol??

      Think you can answer a straightforward question put to you?

      July 11, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
  12. Concerned Parents

    Parents have a right to be concerned when their children become involved with the occult. What may start as a simple act of rebellion can quickly develop into something much darker and more dangerous. There is no doubt that children are being seduced into believing the dark-arts are “fun,” benign and a positive power for personal enablement. The supernatural world is a reality and dabbling with its dark side is not harmless.

    A chilling aspect of this lifestyle can be read in Misty Bernall’s book about her murdered daughter Cassie, who through her dabbling in witchcraft got drawn into Satanism, self mutilation and a desire to kill her parents. She, along with 13 other Columbine victims, fell victim to this dark side of "black magic". It is clear that there are very real dangers involved for those engaged in the practice of Satanism and it's something we all need to remain vigilant about.

    July 11, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
    • Just the Facts Ma'am...

      Concerned parents might do more research if they really cared and would know that Satanists don't believe in the supernatural or in Satan or God at all. If you were really concerned you might have done the 3 minutes of research it would take to find that out. If you were really concerned you wouldn't be indoctrinating your children to believe in invisible fairies or demons at all. Who would be the first people that might teach a child about an evil invisible spirit named Satan who is seeking to devour their souls? Ignorant christian "concerned parents", that's who.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
    • Damocles

      Yes, take your kids to church where they can see benign images of a guy nailed to a cross. That's much better.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:53 pm |
    • JimK57

      I think mental illness was to blame. These people obviously did not get the help they needed.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:55 pm |
    • Tina99

      We dont need parents to treat us like babies.. You don't know the first thing about witchcraft or the occult so stop believig everything you hear on faux news and leave us alone.We're more than capable of making our own choices and accepting the consequences!

      July 11, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
    • lionlylamb2013

      Hello "Concerned Parents",

      Many folks who post here are people who seem wantonly unbiased in their approvals and disapprovals meaning they just don't give a damn! The prognostications are but peripheral in their orientating mannerisms and could care less about the youngsters well being natures. Give an atheist enough rope and they'll find reason to hang you.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
    • .

      LL is the belief blog pseudo intellect, just laugh and move on because they are too lazy to communicate effectively.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:16 pm |
    • Rory

      occult |əˈkəlt|
      noun ( the occult)
      supernatural, mystical, or magical beliefs, practices, or phenomena : a secret society to study alchemy and the occult.

      Aren't gods suposed to be "Supernatural", thus making any religion that worships a god technically "occult"?

      July 11, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
  13. Bibliolatry

    I worship the Bible, not God, Satan or Jesus.

    July 11, 2013 at 12:16 pm |
    • lol??

      The Word of God is another name for Jesus. Yer off to a gud start.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:18 pm |
    • Bibliolatry

      Jesus is not a book.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
    • Bibliolatry

      In the beginning The Word (Jesus, not the Bible) was with God.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
    • lol??

      Rev 19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:38 pm |
    • Akira

      Is this a joke?

      July 11, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
    • lol??

      It appears the pwogwessives confused you. They made "book" obsolete with their word games.

      "2. obsolete : book" merriam-webster

      July 11, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
    • Bibliolatry

      Rev 19:13 And he [THE BIBLE?] was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Yes, it is a joke. Whether or not it is indented to be a joke now becomes the question.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
    • Akira

      RC: thanks. Some people have an odd sense of humor, I guess.

      Lol??: what does "pwogwessives" mean? Might I find this word in the Merriam-Webster book you're touting?

      July 11, 2013 at 1:06 pm |
    • lol??

      If you worship the book and not Jesus, you might just cut to the chase, go to the groves and pick out a Xmas tree since books come from trees.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:15 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      I asked Elmer Fudd what the meaning of "pwogwessives" was, and he said Lol is just full blown bat &^%$ crazy.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:28 pm |
    • Greg

      A lot of Christians, if they don't actually worship the Bible, they idolize it. It kinda became their god, and they interpret what this god says pretty much exactly the same way ancient pagan priests interpreted what their stone gods said.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:30 pm |
    • Akira

      Richard, at least Elmer Fudd has an excuse. He was drawn that way.

      July 11, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
  14. lionlylamb2013

    Around the off ramps of secular constraints and perturbing disenchanting socialisms; the mainstream motives of rashly orientated mental gestures bending the calculative odds' masters of speculative individualists is quite disturbing. Common folk need no worded gestures of inflammatory animalisms reciprocating within their only celestial Life for; they are happiest in the idle times just to be reflective upon their own self-worth issuances than to be sprawling within the social barrels opining disenchantments.

    The brittle hucksters of diminutively frail verbal cloistering increments within societal armadas are all likened to being as justifiable sandy shoals that are constitutionally vacated, idiosyncratically bred and ironically celebrated vespers of humane fooleries forbearance pleasing ways. Socialized soapiness within fragranced spurts of illuminating eye drops will seed the mind and sometimes flourish upon the windiness conditionings around waywardness's melancholies. Showing another one's loving natures leaves one open to costliness rebuttals in depreciative natures.

    Eat drink and sleep are three forces that will never be changed. The blessings one incurs around each other are tantamount highlights yet many unneeded worded gestations as within the bias based formularies of socialized orientations dares to upset one's carted ways faulting one's moral highlights gained thru attrition and submissiveness toward one and another. I love much that people offer me to see and yet my visualizations are sometimes obscured and I do sadly ever overlook others who ridicule and condemn those with lessor mentalities.

    The shames of opaque selfishness and lithesome prides of the amassed will ever leverage many folds into rhythmic causalities establishing sometimes bitterness or shame. We all have chosen and in one's choices there lays much caustic symbolisms to conservatively ration. The loving toward even the most vile is as a social justification upon one's own subversive means which are compensatory in natured families that stick with each other's common frailties underpinnings.

    July 11, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
    • .

      LL is the belief blog pseudo intellect, don't bother reading their posts, just laugh and move on.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
    • lionlylamb2013

      Hello speckler of a smattering spot,

      You might want to rephrase of eyeing statement around the word "their" for I am a force of one and there is no other in your their-ness to be considered pseudo as your fallacious poignancies does dare alter up.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
    • Which God?

      LL threw up his brain cell, again.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
    • Candiano

      And yet I got Dot's meaning immediately. There is something to be said for speaking plainly; understanding a point one is trying to make. When a person's eyes glaze over reading a post, it isn't the fault of the reader. It's the fault of the communicator who is more interested in trying to sound intellectual rather than conveying a succinct point.

      In other words, I didn't get past the first two sentences. And before you mangle my name trying to be clever: don't. It looks immature.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
    • lionlylamb2013

      All you dare can do is ridicule and foment words of delirium in barbarisms of swollen meekness. I am your mastered armature of worded bliss which will ever be your flogging nature wantonly debasing in the orientations of that which you cannot find being helpful within such issues of and towards high minded accolades meant as a distillation seminary to those with a meager eyeful of knowledge. Kids these days! What will they ever do without being procrastinators?

      July 11, 2013 at 1:00 pm |
    • .

      A pseudo intellect is someone who acts pretentiously and wishes to impress, rather than modestly trying to communicate effectively uses rhetoric over content.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:08 pm |
    • Candiano

      Three words: buy a diary.

      Dot: exactly. And I most definitely am not impressed.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:15 pm |
    • lionlylamb2013

      Any spirited soul who can't understand my issues are introverted, uneducated fools seeking maliciousness in fragrances within their folds flocking measures to rile and embitter anyone's' wordage usages deemed to be too complicated for their simpleton minds to dare fathom.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:21 pm |
    • .

      Thanks for proving that the definition of a pseudo intellect is correct.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:25 pm |
    • Yo!

      Hey guys stop picking on LL and just recognize this poor soul suffers from low self esteem issues and this is how they compensate for it.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
    • Freddy

      Too bad the Bible is so mired in symbolic language. A lot of trouble could have been avoided if it made all its points succinctly.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:34 pm |
    • Candiano

      And calling people "simpletons" because they don't want to slough through a bunch of randomly strung-together words to figure out a simple message is disingenuous, and the sure sign of a vain, prideful pseudo intellect who cannot communicate effectively.
      Although it is telling that you would put the onus on the person receiving the message, and being dismissive of their ability to comprehend your incomprehensible way of writing, rather than to look at yourself and the way you communicate.
      If you talk this way, you are likely friendless.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
    • Candiano

      Freddy: I agree totally.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:45 pm |
  15. Real Satanist

    I noticed that one of my fellow members had already posted this, but thought that it might help to repost it since most of the arguments on here seem to assume a great deal about the Church of Satan without knowing anything.

    Welcome to the official website of the Church of Satan (Church of Satan dot com) Founded on April 30, 1966 c.e. by Anton Szandor LaVey, we are the first above-ground organization in history openly dedicated to the acceptance of Man’s true nature—that of a carnal beast, living in a cosmos that is indifferent to our existence.

    To us, Satan is the symbol that best suits the nature of we who are carnal by birth—people who feel no battles raging between our thoughts and feelings, we who do not embrace the concept of a soul imprisoned in a body. He represents pride, liberty, and individualism—qualities often defined as Evil by those who worship external deities, who feel there is a war between their minds and emotions. As Anton LaVey explained in his classic work The Satanic Bible, Man—using his brain—invented all the Gods, doing so because many of our species cannot accept or control their personal egos, feeling compelled to conjure up one or a multiplicity of characters who can act without hindrance or guilt upon whims and desires.

    All Gods are thus externalized forms, magnified projections of the true nature of their creators, personifying aspects of the universe or personal temperaments which many of their followers find to be troubling. Worshipping any God is thus worshipping by proxy those who invented that God. Since the Satanist understands that all Gods are fiction, instead of bending a knee in worship to—or seeking friendship or unity with—such mythical enti ties, he places himself at the center of his own subjective universe as his own highest value. We Satanists are thus our own “Gods,” and as beneficent “deities” we can offer love to those who deserve it and deliver our wrath (within reasonable limits) upon those who seek to cause us—or that which we cherish—harm. Magus Gilmore’s essay “What, The Devil?” from The Satanic Scriptures discusses this in greater detail.

    July 11, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
    • lol??

      Tell us about Legion in the swine. Isn't that perplexing for daemons??

      July 11, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
    • Formalities

      As a non-religious average person I don't know quite how to react to statements as formal as "Love is given if it's deserved". It sounds to me either as though I'm going to have to work increadibly hard to impress you, but that may not be what you mean. You might be restating that we all give love to people who are good to us and well all are rude to people who are rude to us. I'm not sure which is intended.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
    • Agnostickids

      @ Formalities. I agree with your post. After going to the suggested site (lots of red on black...of course) I was a bit put off by the High Priestesses aggressive "welcome."
      It's REALLY hard not to be judgmental, but Satanism seems overly self-gratuitious and a bit sociiopathic, or at least the High Priestess does.
      Any religion is only a from of control, but Satanist sure don't sugar-coat it.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
    • lionlylamb2013

      So,,, the atheist workshop is nowadays in Satanically consecrated eviscerations of worded dogmas that are differentiated about and around written doctrines of secretions wordage usages that dare binds up the proclamations of servilities within gestational underpinnings of atheistic forbiddance of all things Godly ordained? The plots dare thicken,,,

      July 11, 2013 at 12:30 pm |
    • G4R

      Satanism has been around for thousands of years. It has nothing to do with your stupid cult.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:50 pm |
    • Which God?

      LL, your mangled use of English as well as as proper grammar is sorely lacking. You give new meaning to the term ignoramus.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:53 pm |
    • Also reading

      In reading along the welcome itself seems to presume that dieties are necessary for man to want to approach man in a spirit of equanimity. I am not sure this is the case otherwise why would there be atheist charities and secular humanism?

      July 11, 2013 at 12:53 pm |
    • Freddy

      What's perplexing about the story of Legion is that Jesus could have sent them back to hell, where they wouldn't have been able to harm anyone for a while at least. By choosing to put them in pigs, whom they immediately killed, the demons became free to possess other humans right away. It's almost like they duped him, isn't it?

      July 11, 2013 at 1:38 pm |
  16. What Christians need to understand about Laveyan satanists

    I grew up spiritualist/occultist...so to me hearing the word "satan" sounded magical literally. I boldly went into a chat room once prattling on about stiff as a board light as a feather, ouijahs, and the thing under the bed. As the atheists can well imagine I was mocked beyond reason. I might as well have burst into a boardroom and prattled on about bigfoot. As the material world has little interest for me I politely excused myself. They are probably still laughing to this day about me.

    I was pretty drunk at the time but when I sobered up I was really embarassed. The point is Laveyan satanists do not believe in any literal dieties and may not be into the paranormal at all.

    July 11, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
    • lionlylamb2013

      Hi there long name,

      The extolled and introverted natures of satanic atheisms are but another means toward psychopathic synopses ever wanting to derail our socialized godly orientations that seems to be a festering proclamation of bemused insanities within the sublime lights of despotic entangled socialisms onward marches across the fielded reservoirs of many cultured ranks.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:50 pm |
    • Positive and negative

      It makes sense if you look at the concepts of positive and negative energies. Take away your concept of good and evil for the moment and just think of plus or minus.

      You can either give or you can take away. Pull or push. In atheism or satanism there is alot of "taking away" ...taking away beliefs and ideas and so on. In other religions there is alot of adding to..giving new ideas or new philosophies.

      One theoretically should balance the other. One side fights the other.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:17 pm |
    • Freddy

      Sounds like Christine O’Connell's experience as a witch to me.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:41 pm |
  17. Faith

    see what i mean? lol

    July 11, 2013 at 12:03 pm |
  18. captain america

    agnostickids is lol?? always posting the same trollish posts

    July 11, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
    • Christianpreacher

      And captain america seems to be a crazy git.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
    • Christianpreacher

      Seriously, read his past posts. He seems to be some kinda provoker, crazy antisocial megalomaniac. I'm not saying Agnostickids is right, but his/her posts are nothing like lol? Do you read at all captain america?

      July 11, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
    • Jenny Porter

      Seems like agnostickids was right captain america...you are paranoid.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:16 pm |
    • Agnostickids

      Em...captain america...what is your problem? Like someone else said, you're a crazy provoker. I've not even responded to your posts until you tried to link me to another poster, which is rather conservative from what I can see, and in case you hadn't noticed, I'm a liberal.

      So, get a life freak.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
    • captain america

      you both have the same stink and everyone knows you two are the same person even dogs know it so stop trolling

      its real cute that you have made other screen names to defend yourself with now with the christianpreacher name real cute

      July 11, 2013 at 2:17 pm |
  19. Faith

    using arguments to disprove its accuracy that have been refuted doesn't add credibility to the nazi god-hating fascists attempts to refute its truth.

    running away doesn't work

    getting in a huff? they try this every time they get humiliated

    blockin/deleting posts for which they have no defense doesn't prove anything except how childish they.

    they stated facts. no one has ever refuted what they recorded

    July 11, 2013 at 12:00 pm |
    • captain america

      hitler was a christian

      July 11, 2013 at 12:07 pm |
  20. Faith

    using arguments to disprove its accuracy that have been refuted doesn't add credibility to the nazi god-hating fascists attempts to refute its truth.

    running away doesn't work

    getting in a huff? they try this every time they get humiliated

    July 11, 2013 at 11:58 am |
    • Observer


      There is just a small group of people in the world who are nazis (and it's extremely likely that there are none on here), so you just keep humiliating yourself by addressing them. At least you don't so ignorantly call them "god-hating atheists".

      July 11, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Hitler was a Catholic so being a Nazi does not equate to being an atheist.

      July 11, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
    • Freddy

      In Santa we trust
      Seeing your name reminds me of the SNL Church Lady skit Santa (switch the letters around) Satan.

      July 11, 2013 at 1:44 pm |
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