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Satanists square off on abortion (Yes, really)
The UK Church of Satan says it supports a variety of views on abortion. But is the church real?
July 9th, 2013
03:27 PM ET

Satanists square off on abortion (Yes, really)

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN)- Are Satanists for or against abortion? Apparently, there's a hot debate.

A group calling itself the "UK Church of Satan" on Twitter says it's open minded, tweeting out "Why Wouldn't Satanism be pro-life?" on July 5.

But the High Priest of the New York-based Church of Satan says it's squarely in the abortion-rights corner.

How to settle this diabolical duel?

Let's back up first.

As Texas legislators debated a law last week that would restrict abortions in the Lone Star State, a group of abortion rights protesters tried to drown out a group of anti-abortion protesters at the state capitol by chanting "Hail Satan!"

The phrase trended on Twitter. Megapastor Rick Warren rapped our wrists (and The Associated Press's, too) for not covering the "Hail Satan" serenade. Actually, pastor, our man Josh Rubin was on the ball.

The UK Church of Satan (assuming it's real) jumped on the trend, tweeting on July 3:

Which raises the question: What does Satanism represent?

We asked the New York-based Church of Satan, and we got an earful.

First of all, Magus Peter H. Gilmore, High Priest of the Church of Satan, told us, there is no "UK Church of Satan."

"I have not authorized any of our UK members to create such a thing claiming to represent our organization, its members and our philosophy," Gilmore said. "So, whoever is behind that feed is committing a fraud."

Gilmore's group, which, unlike the UK church, has a website, also keeps a P.O. Box in New York City. (Radio City Station of all places. Watch out, Rockettes.)

As a matter of policy, the Church of Satan doesn't give out exact membership numbers, the magus said, but it's in the thousands.

"Our organization, founded by Anton LaVey in 1966, is worldwide," Gilmore told CNN in an e-mail, "and we have many members throughout the UK and none of them have heard of any self-proclaimed 'Church of Satan in England.' There was a hoax using a title like this a year or so ago as a political prank."

We put the question to the UK Church of Satan,  who said, "There is no 'UK' Church of Satan. It's worldwide. We represent and connect those followers 'in' the UK."

We've followed up with more questions but haven't heard back yet.

To be sure, the UK Satanists' tweets have been surprisingly unsulfurous.

Take this one, for example:

Or this sweet-natured nugget:

This is a church that worships the Prince of Darkness? And who in hell is JMG?

Getting back to abortion, here's what the supposed UK Church of Satan said:

Yeah, kinda, Gilmore told CNN. But there's much more to it than that.

Many Satanists practice "rational birth control," saith Satanism's high priest, leaving matters of personal morality up to individuals.

"We generally consider the use of abortion to be the purview of the woman whose body is carrying the child," Gilmore said. "We consider sexual experiences to be an indulgence between consenting adults that should be taken seriously, particularly when the possibility of pregnancy is concerned."

But the magus didn't appreciate hearing the name of his lord taken in vain.

"Shouting `Hail Satan!' to abortion protesters is both ludicrous and meaningless," said Gilmore, who's led the Church of Satan since 2001. "Only attention-seeking fools would do so."

Unsurprisingly, Satanists take a strong stand on separation of church and state, believing the government "should be entirely secular."

"So religion should neither force upon nor deny an abortion for any woman, in our thinking," Gilmore said. "Freedom with responsibility is the hallmark of civilized behavior to the Satanist."

Now that that's settled, what's the Satanic stance on gay marriage?

***

In a follow-up email, Gilmore made it clear that Satanists don't actually deify Satan. In fact, they're atheist, he said, and use Satan as a "symbol of pride, liberty and individualism."

"If you chose to mock us, then you should have done so based on what our philosophy actually is, rather than on an assumed `horror film' stereotype," the magus said.

Fair criticism. We'll try to improve our coverage of Satanism.

Oh, one more thing. Gilmore said the Church of Satan does approve of same-sex marriage.

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Abortion • Church and state • Culture wars • Satanism

soundoff (2,331 Responses)
  1. Roadrider

    I feel that when news outlets make stories out of random meaningless tweets they are scraping the bottom of the journalistic barrel.

    July 9, 2013 at 9:17 pm |
    • Skippy Peanutbutter

      Yes, it's a heapin' helpin' o' fluffy all right, but then again, there really isn't any true religious news.

      "Once again, no God made itself known today, and nothing supernatural happened."

      July 9, 2013 at 9:28 pm |
  2. Tom

    Seems like satanists would be pro life in order not to accidentally kill the unborn children of satan.

    July 9, 2013 at 9:13 pm |
  3. James George

    The hallmark of many (although not all) believers is the utter OUTRAGE at the mere questioning of their beliefs. How DARE you question our beliefs? How DARE you?

    And then there's the backhanded, craven threats: you'll burn in Hell unless you believe as we do...

    Finally, add a dash of unsupported assertion (i.e., God defeated Satan 2,000 years ago) supported by not one SINGLE shread of actual evidence...

    ...and that's belief for you. I'm a non-believer because I see no evidence for the existence of any kind of God or the supernatural. So far, all the evidence has been anecdotal, emotional, or wishful thinking. Until I see the SAME kind of evidence for God as we have for say, the germ theory of disease,,,THEN I'll believe. It's not (or shouldn't) be too much to ask. Oh, and if you disagree...I won't threaten you with eternal damnation...

    July 9, 2013 at 9:13 pm |
    • lol??

      Don't get so emotionally wrapped up in your own beliefs.

      July 9, 2013 at 9:22 pm |
    • Skippy Peanutbutter

      That's the best bit of hypocrisy I have seen in ages here, Lolly! Well done!

      July 9, 2013 at 9:30 pm |
    • jonniey

      Have you heard of the reasonable argument for the existence of God from contingency. If I had only only heard anecdotal, emotional, or wishful thinking as evidence for God, I too would be unconvinced.

      July 9, 2013 at 9:58 pm |
  4. unabashed heritic

    I am an atheist but not a satanist. However I have somewhat of an enhanced perspective now on what a satanist purports to be thanks to James' analysis. Thanks dude because I'd never actually given it any thought before. But what you said makes sense. So now I won't just assume people who call themselves satanists are necessarily any more awful or evil than anyone else. They're just enthusiastic with issues apparently but made complete sense regarding the matter of choices.

    July 9, 2013 at 9:03 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Their dark master doesn't require surrender, belief, love or worship, and is as imaginary as the Opposition. So insidious.

      July 9, 2013 at 9:13 pm |
  5. Just the Facts Ma'am...

    What is the #1 Satanist belief? = There is no God and no Satan.

    Seem's strange I know but it's true. So they don't actually worship Satan, they worship the absence of the supernatural. It's kind of like the term "Obamacare" that was coined by it's opponents but was then embraced by the administration who decided to own it instead of trying to run from some invented false stigma of the affordable care act.

    July 9, 2013 at 9:00 pm |
    • Saraswati

      Their beliefs are almost identical to Scientific Pantheism:

      http://www.pantheism.net/manifest.htm

      But with twist of self-centeredness.

      July 9, 2013 at 9:06 pm |
    • Terrence

      You just know they chose it just to piss off the knuckleheads.

      July 9, 2013 at 9:07 pm |
  6. Saraswati

    I just noticed this is now the same image they used for the Jesus is a dirty God article. Why would they use a pair of dirty hands for this story? Hmmm...I suspect that Satanist image had some legal issues...weird choice for replacement.

    July 9, 2013 at 8:53 pm |
  7. Jim

    They're going to have a devil of a time getting their point across.

    July 9, 2013 at 8:52 pm |
  8. lol??

    just another group, err church, buyin' the BEAST's doctrines.

    July 9, 2013 at 8:51 pm |
    • Snow

      no different from this other group, er, religion called Christianity..

      July 9, 2013 at 8:55 pm |
  9. Mike L

    Jesus alone is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
    Jesus stripped satan of all authority 2000 years ago.
    In the very near future, satan will be thrown into the lake of fire and finally his presence will no longer be felt among people. Hallelujah! What a day that will be!
    JESUS IS LORD!

    July 9, 2013 at 8:43 pm |
    • zeyn2010

      OK

      July 9, 2013 at 8:45 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Bullsh!t, unless you have some evidence for your childish beliefs.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:46 pm |
    • Rollo Tomasi

      Sounds like an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:50 pm |
    • Daremonai

      If you want to be technical, Eris stripped Jesus of authority quite some time ago, so that triplet is not really running things now.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:51 pm |
    • Snow

      wait.. haven't you guys been saying that for the last 2000 yrs? gotta really work on that "in the very near future" phrase a bit, methinks..

      July 9, 2013 at 8:57 pm |
    • Mike L

      For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son(Jesus), that whoever will believe in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16
      Jesus died on the cross for the sins of all humanity because He loves people that much. He also rose from the death. This is proof enough for the world to see that He truly is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords!

      July 9, 2013 at 9:05 pm |
    • The Message

      Glory Hallelujah! JESUS IS LORD!! Mike, getting through to satanists and other non-Believers in general is sometimes difficult but this Scripture explains the reason why.

      "Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error." - 1 JOHN 4:4-6 (KJV)

      We must therefore continue to reach those who are spiritually dead and lost because they know no better but who inwardly truly want to reach out to Christ and be saved.

      July 9, 2013 at 9:06 pm |
    • Rollo Tomasi

      Mike L and The Message sound like bad episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer that got it cancelled.

      Let's face it: Christianity is Judaism after it jumped the shark.

      July 9, 2013 at 9:09 pm |
    • Guest

      Thank you Mike, finally a truth worth reading. It will be a glorious day indeed when the Lord Jesus return. It will be a sad day for the people in these post who don't know Him. We need to pray the Lord for them so that He can open their eyes. The evidence is every where and yet they can't see it. Every day the Holy Bible seems to be telling the truth, only if they will read it for the facts of what is coming.

      July 9, 2013 at 9:10 pm |
    • Snow

      by that same analogy, I read in this book that Harry Potter died for his friends whom he loved so much and came back to save them further.. I even saw it in the movie.. he must be a god too? eh?

      Not!

      July 9, 2013 at 9:12 pm |
    • Wisdom From the Lord

      Seek for the Lord in truth and in Spirit, and acknowledging will set you free!!!!!!!
      Listen to your consciousness people, even though its voice got weak, it still speaks!!
      Where there still is life, there still is time to repent!!! It is all about your souls, I gave my Soul to the Lord the good pastor, Thank you Lord Jesus for restoring my relation with the Father who sent you in the Earth So that the one that believes may be saved!!!
      The name of the Lord is to ungodly people what the light of the Sun is to vampires, they can't stand it. Thank you Lord to have enlightened my life!!!!!
      I pray for you Brothers and Sisters that you may open your eyes and wake your souls up!!!!!!!
      Jesus, there is no name as sweet for my tongue!!!! The Name above all the Names!!!
      Soon the world will see your Glory in all its power!!!!!!!!!

      July 9, 2013 at 9:31 pm |
  10. Liz the First

    @chris
    "AD stands for After Death and BC stands for Before Christ, so there are 33 missing years between BC and AD."

    Um, no, actually AD stands for Anno Domini, in the year of our lord. and now folks use CE instead of AD to avoid appearing religiously biased.

    July 9, 2013 at 8:42 pm |
    • Rollo Tomasi

      Liz, the guy believes in invisible buddies and Playland-in-the-Sky. I get the feeling he's just not up to a concept like that, and instead will adamantly believe we are lying.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:46 pm |
  11. Jason

    These "Satanists" obviously have no clue as to what a "Satanist" really is. I do. Evil. Satan is evil. Period. Satan represents all that is opposite of God (good). Thus, anything good, is not aligned with "Satanism." Anyone who believes otherwise is obviously a moron.

    July 9, 2013 at 8:41 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      There is no evidence for your, or any, god. You must be a moron.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:43 pm |
    • Larry L

      We agree! Sananism is just as ridiculous as all of the other religions. Good point!

      July 9, 2013 at 8:46 pm |
    • wilf

      hmm god is the one who enjoys inflicting pain and suffering onto his followers. Why because he will do this for an eternity and needs his followers to be faithful to his wrath. Who is satan well where not sure but we cannot trust god to tell us the truth. Perhaps satan is more benevolent and more powerfull

      July 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm |
    • Snow

      if the god you mention really did even half the things mentioned in the bible (silly things like murdering people by thousands), then by golly, it is anything but "good".. and if that is the definition of good for you, well, you just need to turn to the nearest mirror to find the moron closest to you..

      try picking up this other book called dictionary to find the actual meaning of the words "good" and "evil"

      July 9, 2013 at 8:50 pm |
    • Daremonai

      Spoken like someone who has never met a Satanist before.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:52 pm |
    • Mr 47

      Gee thanks for clearing that up. To think I spent all that time reading books like "The Satanic Bible" to see what it was all about, when Jason here clearly seems to be the authority on the matter. Look "good" and "evil" are subjective concepts at best. The word "Satan" means the opposer, or he who questions, adversary. Build a religion designed to oppose spiritual concepts and champion secularity, an anti-religion of sorts. Why not use Satan as an idea to represent it all? Plus it's fun watching people react to the extreme. 😉

      July 9, 2013 at 9:03 pm |
    • Darla

      There is no evidence of hot air either, now that you mention it. But after reading your post, I am now a thorough believer that you are full of it, and also very much a moron. Can I get an amen??

      July 9, 2013 at 9:11 pm |
    • harbharb

      Perhaps they are actually "Santaists" and solely interested in their being a large enough group of children to keep Santa Claus busy and his elves employed. Bet they are also "Anti-Unionists" because they want to help the common working elves.

      July 9, 2013 at 9:28 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Darla, you have nothing either to support the existence of any god. Put up or shut up!

      July 9, 2013 at 11:05 pm |
    • Joey

      Yeah, the satanists don't know what a satanist is, but Jason obviously does.

      July 10, 2013 at 1:40 pm |
  12. DD

    Nice to see another religious view covered here.

    July 9, 2013 at 8:40 pm |
    • Saraswati

      Yes, I was glad to see another view, but would have been happier if it were actually informative.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:45 pm |
    • Daremonai

      Well, 'cover' might be too strong a word. This is more of a 'hur hur look what this weird people' piece.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:55 pm |
    • parthenogene

      Satanism–with a capital S–is not a religion. Satanists neither believe in nor worship any supernatural being...

      July 9, 2013 at 9:06 pm |
  13. Jon

    This author really should do some research on the group he is covering before writing an article about it. Highly uneducated on the topic, obviously.

    July 9, 2013 at 8:39 pm |
    • Saraswati

      I suspect he may know well how inaccurate and misleading the article is. All the people adding comments to explain the inaccuracy adds traffic. All the people outraged because they think these people believe in Satan adds more traffic.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:43 pm |
    • zeyn2010

      @Taran – I cannot believe you called math & evolution a belief and indoctrination! I don't think I can debate with you LOL.

      July 9, 2013 at 9:04 pm |
  14. zeyn2010

    How can they be free thinkers when they depend on another religion in order to exist? LOL

    July 9, 2013 at 8:37 pm |
    • kutulhu

      Christianity wouldn't exist without the many prior religions from which it took its beliefs.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:46 pm |
    • Torrid

      You mean Judaism

      July 9, 2013 at 8:48 pm |
    • zeyn2010

      Well, satan exists in all religions. Hence, believing in satan is believing in the stories...

      July 9, 2013 at 8:49 pm |
    • zeyn2010

      I mean – if you've been subjected to and accept any kind of indoctrination, you cannot call yourself a free thinker – can you?

      July 9, 2013 at 8:54 pm |
    • Taran

      @zeyn2010 Most people in this world go to school as children where they are indoctrinated with beliefs. Sometimes these beliefs are shared by most humans (such as mathematics). Sometimes these beliefs are only shared by some humans (such as Evolution). Sometimes these beliefs are only shared by the people in one country (such as national superiority and exceptionalism). We're all indoctrinated by our culture.

      July 9, 2013 at 9:00 pm |
    • zeyn2010

      @Taran – I cannot believe you called math & evolution a belief and indoctrination! I don't think I can debate with you LOL.

      July 9, 2013 at 9:05 pm |
    • Taran

      I think I've proved my point then.

      July 9, 2013 at 9:08 pm |
  15. James

    Oy. This post REALLY misses the mark. It doesn't seem to explain ANYTHING. It asks the question- what do Satantist believe? But then it doesn't answer that. So for those who are curious, most Satanists are atheists who don't literally believe in Satan but extol "liberating figures", those who go against the grain, or those against the Christian establishment which they see as unnatural and even evil in a way. Their view of the character of Satan is very different from that of Christians, and is often used almost mockingly, since many see the whole thing as ridiculous.

    And no, not a Satanist myself. It's not my bag at all. I just think a journalist website should practice some journalism, even if it's a 'blog'.

    July 9, 2013 at 8:35 pm |
  16. For the astonished

    For anyone reading from any background who has ever had some strange experiences that no one will ever believe, understand and nobody gets it and you feel like there is nobody to talk too and so you live your life with a zipped lip. I'm giving you a shout out. Now I'll zip my lip back up and let the skeptics go back to what they do best.

    July 9, 2013 at 8:35 pm |
    • Rollo

      Hi Austin! Are the demon squish-kitties giving you visions again?

      July 9, 2013 at 8:39 pm |
    • wilf

      I take it your talking paranormal activity. that is not always evil. there are lots of natural things we do not comprehend

      July 9, 2013 at 8:53 pm |
    • ze

      I would love to see if you are someone I can 'un-zip' too. I've met one other person like myself w/ whom I could talk about these things w/ however this person had not experienced as much as I had and did not grow like I have, he became jealous so I peacefully parted ways. Inbox me, if you want someone to possibly un-zip to. I've been pretending w/ everyone my whole life, having to be quiet or be crazy gets very old... yet I wouldn't trade my experiences for the world.

      July 9, 2013 at 9:05 pm |
    • For the astonished

      Rollo- I've read Austin's stuff and he's got the entire Repubican party to talk to if he wants.

      Ze- I'm sorry I don't know how to private message though I wish I did, maybe it's my computer. But yeah you could unzip in private convo with me. I know how it is to be usually quiet about "things" though "things" are usually quite fun. Peace.

      July 10, 2013 at 4:08 am |
  17. 7th Congressional District, Virginia

    The Satanic stand on gay marriage is the same as on any other issue – do as thou wilt.

    Interfering in the lives of others is for government agencies, not libertarian organizations.

    July 9, 2013 at 8:29 pm |
    • lionlylamb2013

      The roots of all vileness and wicked things lays within how one handles money. The devil's disciples (and there are many)use their monies in foolish transgressions with almost little relativisms toward their conjuring attitudes that instills much ineptness toward the rationality to consider their consequences nor even their ill misgiving deeds regarding socialized vulgarities.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:56 pm |
  18. kenman

    Well, Mr. Burke represent the church of Satan well, as does CNN with its usual, dependable anti-Christian stories and followers!

    You won't report when Satan worshippers take your liberal side on the murder of the unborn, before going to the church of Satan for a disclaimer.

    This is a new low, even for CNN. Of course Satan and his worshippers would support your abortion of souls, and your pathetic attempt at liberal propaganda is not going to change that reality, or that perception.

    Oh, and Mr. Burke, why did you have to go to the "church", you could have asked any number of your associates for the redeeming interview!

    July 9, 2013 at 8:28 pm |
    • Mephistopheles

      Real satanists are against abortion. Only those that grow up can be truly perverted.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:38 pm |
  19. don

    So then what happened 2013 years ago if Jesus is not real.
    Long live the one and only king Jesus Christ.

    July 9, 2013 at 8:24 pm |
    • Really now

      Nothing of significance happened 2013 years ago. Jesus, if real, was born in 6 BC.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:26 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      America is a republic buddy, there are no kings or lords.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:27 pm |
    • don

      so why did we change to AD oh ya it means year of our lord. If you would like a bible I am more than willing to send you the good word. All people need to hear and I hope they turn to GOD beofre it is to late and end up in the lake of fire.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:29 pm |
    • chris

      AD stands for After Death and BC stands for Before Christ, so there are 33 missing years between BC and AD

      July 9, 2013 at 8:31 pm |
    • Athy

      Well, Don, Jeebus lived for a few years then died and he's never coming back. Live with it. And we don't use AD anymore. It's now CE (current epoch). You apparently don't read much.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:36 pm |
    • Just the Facts Ma'am...

      Anno Domini – In the year of our Lord.
      However, this was not widely used until nearly 800 years after the supposed birth of Christ.

      This was an invention of the Catholic Church first invented the Gregorian calendar in what we now consider to be 525 AD.

      The actual date of whats considered 1 AD in Israel would have been a few years into Herod Archelaus rule but had no other historical significance.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:38 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      chris

      AD stands for Anno Domini.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:38 pm |
    • Athy

      AD never stood for after death. It stood for anno domini.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:39 pm |
    • GOD

      AD does not mean after death. I should smite you for thinking that.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:39 pm |
    • don

      When does CE begin im gussing when President OBAMA took office so we are in year 5 then good to know. I will put that on my next bill I pay and see if the bank cashs it. Most of yall want to change the name because you know that GOD does exist and you are terified of him and you should be. Find a bible and read read read.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:43 pm |
    • Christians never cease to amaze

      "After death" and 33 missing years . . . if just gets funnier and funnier!

      Good thing they had English back then so that AD would fit.

      I still wonder why the guy who got the year wrong also started at year 1 and not the proper 0.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:43 pm |
    • Snow

      don, yet another soul duped because he does not know what standardization means.. fyi, its just one of the many possible things that people collectively decided, "Ya, whatever.. Lets go with that one!"

      July 9, 2013 at 8:44 pm |
    • Just the Facts Ma'am...

      from 25 March 753 AUC (today in 1 BC), i.e. from the incarnation of Jesus. That first "Annunciation style" appeared in Arles at the end of the 9th century then spread to Burgundy and northern Italy. It was not commonly used and was called "calculus pisanus" since it was adopted in Pisa and survived there till 1750.

      "calculus pisanus" aka Christian math...

      July 9, 2013 at 8:45 pm |
    • Josh

      Latin nugget of the day. AD stands for Anno Domino. "The year of our Lord".

      July 9, 2013 at 8:45 pm |
    • zeyn2010

      Aliens were mistaken and/or used the opportunity of their higher technology to fool us primitive beings – could be another theory now coudn't it?

      July 9, 2013 at 8:48 pm |
    • Mike F

      Chris cant help it if he doesnt speak Latin. I can barely speak it myself.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:50 pm |
    • Just the Facts Ma'am...

      I don't worship Thor (though he's an awesome god) but I don't have a problem with Thursday. The same goes for the Sun, Moon, Saturn, Frigg, Tiw or Wodin (Odin). I also don't have a problem with AD or BC though CE is more acceptable.

      It's just a way to keep track of time, whether we start calling it confusedly "Year 5 of G.W. Bush's Presidency" instead of just sticking with "2005" or not won't really change anything.

      July 9, 2013 at 8:52 pm |
    • wilf

      It was a time of great change. The operation of the silk road was in full swing and wise men traveled from asia with there knowledge . some jews used this knowledge to create stories that eventully created a new religion

      July 9, 2013 at 8:58 pm |
    • ze

      I concord... Long live King Yeshua!

      July 9, 2013 at 9:09 pm |
    • jonniey

      Don, as one who is in a constant search for truth and a person of deep faith, I have never found that telling others that they are going to hell brings anyone nearer to the Christ we proclaim. No judgement here, just saying.

      July 9, 2013 at 10:23 pm |
    • Joey

      Don, I use BCE and CE for dates, and even if people didn't use those all you could prove is that the people who made the calendar believed in Jesus which doesn't prove anything. Also, in China it is not even 2013.

      July 10, 2013 at 1:46 pm |
  20. Skeptic Al

    I have integrity. Says me.

    July 9, 2013 at 8:22 pm |
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