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Hundreds of adoption offers flooded in after a Catholic church posted this message on Monday.
July 11th, 2013
11:47 AM ET

Did Facebook save an unborn child?

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN) - On Monday morning, a Catholic parish in Virginia posted an urgent message from its priest on Facebook.

A couple was pregnant with a child diagnosed with Down syndrome, said the Rev. Thomas Vander Woude of Holy Trinity Catholic Church in Gainesville, Virginia.

If they didn't find a couple willing to adopt the unborn child by the end of day, they would abort it, according to the priest.

Within hours, hundreds of couples had contacted the church with adoption offers, according to Holy Trinity staffers.

The parish had to bring in extra staff to field the phone calls flooding in from around the world, including the Netherlands, Puerto Rico and Canada, said Martha Drennan, the parish's director of Adult Faith Formation & Liturgy.

In addition, Vander Woude received upwards of 600 e-mails, Drennan said. "It has to be well over 1,000 couples who were interested in adopting the baby," she said.

"It's really beautiful," said Vander Woude. "Here you have this unborn babe with handicaps and all these people almost immediately offer to take care of it. It's just really a testament to the goodness of people."

READ MORE: Dad's confession: I almost left my disabled daughter

On Tuesday, a local adoption agency presented three prospective families to the pregnant couple. Drennan said the church is not disclosing the name of the adoption agency, which screened prospective adopters, to protect the biological parents' privacy.

"It was so exciting to see all those people stepping up to give that baby a voice - a life," said Geraldine Erikson, a member of Holy Trinity who posted Vander Woude's urgent message on the church's Facebook page.

Erikson, who manages the church's social media accounts, also said she sent an e-mail blast to 140 families on a Yahoo discussion board for homeschooling families

Dozens of Catholic Facebook groups, as well as international media, have jumped on the story.

"I was doing a search this morning and saw some articles in languages I don't understand," Erikson said.

The Catholic Church teaches that all life is sacred and strongly advocates against abortion – but the story is even more personal for Vander Woude. The 47-year-old priest has a brother, Joseph, who has Down syndrome.

The priest's father, Thomas Vander Woude, died in 2008 after diving in a septic tank to save Joseph, who had fallen in while walking in the backyard.

"With our experience with my little brother Josie, this is something that is close to my heart for sure," said the priest.

More than 70 priests attended Thomas Vander Woude's funeral at Holy Trinity Church, including his eldest son, Thomas Jr., who officiated at the Mass and delivered the homily.

It's not unusual for families to find children with Down syndrome to adopt on social media,  said Diane Grover, founder and president of the International Down Syndrome Coalition. In fact, several of the coalition's board members have adopted children after seeing a Facebook post, she said.

"It's a beautiful way for people to get the information out there," Grover said. After checking to make sure the story was true, the coalition helped spread the word on social media about Vander Woude's message and received hundreds of calls in return, she said.

"Its a good eye-opener for our society to see that so many families value a child with Down syndrome like any other child and want to raise them as their own," said Jon Coleman, president of the National Down Syndrome Society.

"People with Down syndrome are making great strides in living more independently, attending college and working. With the proper support, they can do so much if given the opportunity."

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- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Abortion • Catholic Church • Church • Faith • Faith & Health • Virginia

soundoff (807 Responses)
  1. Ike Pyron

    You put your good friends information for shipping address.

    July 22, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
  2. Joe

    I'm happy you said the couple was pregnant.

    July 21, 2013 at 7:34 pm |
  3. Kindness

    Kindness
    This is my experience... Thank you.

    MY personal testimony.
    A thought to consider without an ego response

    I Accepted Jesus christ as my lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
    The world denounces truth....

    Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.

    Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.

    The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.

    Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners. Even once we are saved by christs merciful grace we will still experience adversity to mold us to adhering to the truth.
    We will slip... But not fall of the ship ...carrying us onward to perfection in christs grace.

    We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Follow me".
    It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .

    Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
    See the truth...
    do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from some other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..

    Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .

    Trancsend the temporal world.

    Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .

    Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing (to change) The Holy spirit (within) will convict you beyond what you think you can do by yourself. Grace is given to those who renounce the world. That are" in" the world but not "of " the world.

    Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith ....above reason in Jesus Christ.

    Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....

    Read Ecclesiastes. Read romans or corinthians.

    You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.

    Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are by faith above reason in christ.

    I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .

    Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?

    Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.

    once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
    You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it

    You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
    I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
    Its awsome and It's just between you and Jesus

    my testimony

    Romans 10:9

    "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved

    Last eve I passed beside a blacksmith’s door,
    And heard the anvil ring the vesper chime;
    The, looking in, I saw upon the floor
    Old hammers, worn with beating years of time.
    “How many anvils have you had,” said I,
    “To wear and batter all these hammers so?”
    “Just one,” said he, and then with twinkling eye,
    “The anvil wears the hammers out, you know.”
    And so, thought I, the anvil of God’s Word,
    For ages skeptic blows have beat upon;
    Yet, though the noise of falling blows was heard,
    The anvil is unharmed – the hammers gone.

    Truth is..exclusive

    July 18, 2013 at 1:37 am |
    • Smithsonian

      "Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale."

      It is a fairytale. The Bible is primarily a book of religion, a guide to faith. it was not a book of history, poetry, economics, or science. It contains all sorts of literary genre, which are used to teach about the relationship between God and mankind. Even biblical history is edited history: events were chosen to illustrate the central theme of the Bible. The Biblical writers did not pretend they were giving a complete history; instead they constantly refer us to other sources for full historical details, sources such as "The Annals of the Kings of Judah" (or Israel).

      It is therefore not possible to try to "prove" the Bible by means of checking its historical or scientific accuracy. The only "proof" to which it can be subjected is this: Does it correctly portray the God-human relationship? In the best analysis, the Bible is a religious book, not an historical document.

      July 18, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
  4. Alex

    I'm not going to make any statements about my stance on abortion, but I am going to say this. When I was in the womb, my mother went to get some genetic testing done. The doctor came into the room and basically told her that I had downs syndrome, and she immediately went to look for resources in caring for a downs syndrome, since she was told that I absolutely had it. Well it turns out that when I was born, all of my chromosomes were in order as they are today. If you're in a position where you are on the fence about raising a child whom you believe to have downs syndrome due to genetic testing, consider sticking through because nothing is for certain

    July 17, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
    • Susan StoHelit

      "Basically" – yeah.

      The doctor told your mom what so many other moms have been told – that she displayed indications, and more testing would determine if you had it or not.

      The first test only gives a percent chance. No one but a total idiot would abort based on it – the doctor will tell you then to get the second test. The second test is a full DNA profile, 100% accurate, and if it said yes, you'd have it.

      Sorry, it's a nice story and all, but I've heard it a million times, but having gone through it, I know what is being skipped over. These tests are not wrong all the time as some like to portray – people just often either deliberately or through ignorance omit information about the second test. Through ignorance is fine, but far too many do it deliberately, to put out misinformation.

      July 18, 2013 at 1:32 pm |
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    July 16, 2013 at 10:28 am |
  6. Irrational Exuberance

    DR
    How true, the logic of eternal bliss being promised by the religious just doesn't jive with their actions. They could be sending all the children being born into poverty, a life of want, extreme undernourishment straight into the arms of Jesus.

    Instead they want them to hang out and suffer as long as possible to as great a degree as possible. They just made one person a saint whose death house refused to buy painkillers, and used needles long past their useful life. Because the suffering of others made them feel closer to god.

    It is a very strange religion.

    July 14, 2013 at 9:23 am |
  7. Akira

    Unsure of what "abort" means, DR? He didn't say that at all.

    July 13, 2013 at 11:19 pm |
  8. DR

    So, "Abortions are Great," according to your logic, it would be great to kill already-born children who are one, two, three years old, or even older, to send them to heaven. Disgusting but not shocking.

    July 13, 2013 at 10:20 pm |
  9. Sam Yaza

    great retards get to go to heaven,.. another reason to not want to go there.

    July 13, 2013 at 6:41 pm |
  10. Saraswati

    @AAG,

    That is exactly the argument which most of the pro-life Christians can't refute. By their own logic abortion if the best thing you can do for an eternal soul.

    July 12, 2013 at 9:05 pm |
  11. Ken Margo

    I wouldn't agree with that sentiment. I'm pro choice. I have no idea if the fetus is going to heaven or not.

    July 12, 2013 at 8:40 pm |
  12. Ken Margo

    The one thing that truly, truly trips up Christians is 9/11. If there was a time for god to "step up" that would have been it. Just like republicans keep getting reminded of George Bush. Christians keep getting reminded of 9/11 and they have ZERO CREDIBLE answer for it.

    July 12, 2013 at 8:26 pm |
    • o

      Everyone should have believed Jesus died for them before then

      July 12, 2013 at 8:36 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      You proved what I said. You have no answer for 9/11

      July 12, 2013 at 8:42 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      @The Rex...................Plenty of sinning left in the tank. What are your plans tonight? 🙂

      July 12, 2013 at 8:43 pm |
    • JS

      God gave everyone the right to choose. We can choose to do right or we can choose to do wrong. Either way, our choices affect others. If everyone lived as though every decision they made would impact someone else, then make positive choices, the world would be a better place. Could God have stepped in? Sure, but it would disempower us as humans. It is just like the parent who tells a child not to touch a stove because it is hot. The child can disobey and that disobedience can impact the child, the parent, and emergency personnel. God gave the commandment, "Thou Shalt Not Kill", but humans can choose not to obey His laws. As a parent, would it be fault your fault if no matter what you did your child chose their own path and it destroyed himself and others? I think not. The beauty of bad choices though is that they can produce positive change, which is the only thing God promised.

      As far as the abortion debate, everyone has a purpose in life, even the disabled, and not everyone's purpose is the same. I would venture to say that most families with a disabled child know more about unconditional love than most of us and sometimes it is the only way to teach character-building lessons, like selflessness, which we all can learn. So while aborting them will send them to paradise sooner, they may be sent by God to bring a little bit of paradise here to this hellish earth.

      As a Christian, I would be the first to admit that a majority of Christians do not live as they should. I, myself, have been a hypocrite many times and probably be one a lot more in the future. Being a Christian does not take away my humanity, it just means I am not walking the road alone. Fortunately, there are Christians that do make a difference and this story is an example of that.

      Regardless of our religion, we should all live our lives to influence positive change in others' lives. This is true faith- living with the belief that there is a higher purpose than living for ourselves.

      For those who are not done sinning... I wouldn't worry about it too much. There will be a day when you get tired of it. When you do, just remember that you can be forgiven by Jesus Christ. Whether you get tired of it today or on your deathbed, He will forgive you when you are ready to be forgiven, and there is great comfort in knowing someone forgives you even when you do not forgive yourself.

      July 13, 2013 at 11:16 pm |
      • WASP

        @JS: "God gave everyone the right to choose."

        ok so how does that work?
        "god" knows everything, every tiny thing you will ever do or think in your entire life. so if he knows everything, is all powerful and is all present, then how exactly does he also have a plan, if you are able to choose?
        hmmmmm?

        god has a plan; he works in mysterious ways;
        but i have free will, which by logic totally destorys any plan he may have had for me. 🙂 XD

        July 15, 2013 at 9:01 pm |
    • Rusty S.

      It's unclear what you think God should have done, and why you pick 9/11 out of all the many situations where humans did evil things. What about the holocaust? Or many of the Allies' decisions, for that matter? And what about natural disasters? Is God evil for allowing humans (and animals and property) to be destroyed?

      There may be some inadequacy in Christians answering your questions, but the main inadequacy that I see is in your imagination and open-mindedness. The Christian God doesn't play by your rules, and so you jump to the conclusion that Christianity must be false. You have some good points about pro-lifers' inconsistencies, but some poor logic in a few places.

      July 19, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
      • Ken Margo

        @rusty.........................."You have some good points about pro-lifers' inconsistencies," "There may be some inadequacy in Christians answering your questions"

        I have respect for you. You're the first religious person to acknowledge a non religious person has good points.

        Do think Christianity is false. YES. The reason is because of CHRISTIANS. You stated the reasons in answering my questions. Inconsistent and inadequate answers to reasonable questions.

        "The Christian God doesn't play by your rules"

        What rules have I spoken of? I haven't made any demands to god. I've asked questions that you have admitted no has answered. It seems to me god doesn't play play by the rules of those that follow him.

        July 19, 2013 at 7:39 pm |
  13. Observer

    Faith doesn't answer any questions that show she isn't telling the truth.

    July 12, 2013 at 7:49 pm |
  14. Ken Margo

    The thing I don't understand about pro lifers is they don't seem to be concerned about:

    The death penalty
    Gun violence
    Lack of health care
    The hungry and homeless
    Lack of education

    All issues that contribute to a shortened life span. It's as if it's okay to die by these methods but abortion really riles them up.
    I've felt that the reason people are against abortion is that it's a way to punish the mother for having s3x.

    July 12, 2013 at 7:45 pm |
    • Saraswati

      Ken, I think pro-lifers are pretty silly, but your characterization is untrue. Catholic pro-lifers, for instance, are very concerned about the death penalty, and many of these religious groups are engaged in feeding the poor. Yes, there has been an excessive emphasis on the abortion thing for these guys in recent years, driven by political motivations. But repeating simplifications that anyone who has met these folks knows to be inaccurate isn't going to convince anyone. They're obsessive, have narrow vision, and are frequently ignorant of basic biology and psychology. But they aren't as blind to the issues you list as you think.

      July 12, 2013 at 9:41 pm |
      • Ken Margo

        I'm not referring to all. The Catholic leadership endorses the republican candidates that push anti abortion nonsense. You never see the people that you are referring to.

        July 18, 2013 at 4:32 pm |
    • Sam Yaza

      and yet you never see a Catholic stopping a tractor from demolishing a forest, nope their usually the ones in the tractor.

      pro life my ass how many Catholics spay and neuter there animals.

      July 13, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
  15. Ken Margo

    I asked this question, and as you'd expect I got a nonsensical answers.

    If you consider a baby a gift from god.

    And you consider premarital s3x a sin.

    How come unmarried couples have children committing a sin?

    Why doesn't god prevent the woman from getting pregnant? If god did that, it would eliminate abortions almost to zero!

    July 12, 2013 at 6:04 pm |
    • Russ

      @ Ken:
      the technical term is "common grace." it's not the same as saving grace (Jesus dying in our place to save us ultimately), but the fact that God preserves our fallen existence from experiencing the full weight of what it deserves.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_grace

      July 12, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      @Russ........Stop stalling answer the question. Common grace is total nonsense. either god is against sin or not.

      July 12, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
    • Anon

      Simple, Jesus is mythological and his deluded followers are fúcked up in the head.

      July 12, 2013 at 7:10 pm |
    • Russ

      @ Ken: "common grace" is a rather robust concept. It's not stalling to give you a direct answer & expect you to actually do the reading.

      you don't have to agree with Christianity to actually comprehend its own self-articulation. You are refusing to even listen to that self-articulation. go back & read the entry & you'll find your answer... assuming that you actually wanted to hear & weren't *purposefully* trying to misrepresent those with whom you disagree.)

      for example: notice the section on the wikipedia link called "Providential care for creation." God provides, even though a fallen creation does not deserve that provision. that's a grace, even though it's not ultimately saving. hence "common" grace.

      so why get kids despite sinning? because God gives 'common' grace even to those who don't recognize him. He's that benevolent.

      July 12, 2013 at 8:38 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      @Russ.....................Common grace is robust BS. You guys whine about how god is against sin, now he's going to bless you despite your sins and non belief. Please, please pull your head out your azz. You want me to read Wikipedia and not the bible!
      So I guess Wikipedia is on the same level as the bible. You and people like you are so full of it. So phony. You wonder why religion spiraling downward.

      July 12, 2013 at 8:57 pm |
    • Russ

      @ Ken:
      1) common grace is not just for Christians (in their sins) but for everyone. that's why it's called "common" grace.

      2) i would love for you to read the Bible, but I'm giving you a shorthand resource (and not even a good one, at that) because – as you are amply proving – you're unwilling even to read something brief... much less the Bible.

      3) you said "so I guess Wikipedia is on the same level as the Bible". again, you *purposefully* misrepresent what I said. real dialogue (not to mention good criticism) requires actually engaging what the other party genuinely thinks. so, are you willing to give good criticism, or will you continue to purposefully straw man as a distraction from actual, substantive discussion?

      July 12, 2013 at 9:05 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      @Russ.........................Christians (on this blog) have been saying if you don't believe, you're going to heII. now you're saying god will bless you with "common grace" for not believing. Which is it.

      Wikipedia is what YOU brought up for reference not me. So it must have information your bible can't provide.

      I won't read your bible. I'm not wasting my time. It won't change anything. If praying did change things we wouldn't have problems.

      July 12, 2013 at 9:31 pm |
    • Russ

      @ Ken:
      you are clearly not reading anything I'm putting up – either links or even simply my statements. it's impossible to have a conversation if you won't actually read it.

      1) how many times must i say it? "common grace" is not the same thing as "saving grace." that's not even something you have to look up. i wrote it above repeatedly.

      2) do you know what "shorthand" means? summary. not as exhaustive. less material. easier to digest.
      again, you're refusing to read. i'm not saying wikipedia is equal with the Bible. I'm saying that since you refuse to read the bible, here's a SHORTER summary to think about. it's only ONE page. but you won't even go read that.

      3) "wasting my time..." yes. i'm beginning to think we might actually have some common ground here.

      July 12, 2013 at 9:48 pm |
    • Anon

      Hey Russ get this through your fundie skull.
      We don't giving a flying fúck about Christianity nor that mythological motherfúcker Jesus.
      Oh one more thing. Many atheists have actually read the bible (ex. me ex-catholic for 20+ years) and we're convinced it's a total farce.

      July 13, 2013 at 12:19 am |
    • Russ

      @ Anon:
      read Ken's initial question. He *asked* what Christians think. HE asked.
      if you ask what Christians think, don't act offended when we actually respond.

      I'm glad you actually have read the Bible. Did you take notice when Jesus said this to lifelong Bible scholars:
      "You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life, yet these are the very Scriptures that bear witness to me, and you refuse to come to me to have life" (Jn.5:39-40)?

      July 13, 2013 at 2:35 pm |
    • bill deacon

      Nice job Russ. You kept your cool in the face of some some rather uncivil discourse. I applaud you. Even better, you showed pretty thoroughly that people like Ken don't really want genuine answers to their questions. They want to pigeon hole Christians into the narrow band of their straw men constructs. Sadly, for non-believers, Ken doesn't really fit into that category they like to promote that supposedly knows more about religion than believers.

      July 14, 2013 at 11:55 pm |
    • Observer

      Bill deacon,

      How about a geniune answer? You have a habit of running away from questions so see if you can answer this:

      Do you believe everything in the Bible (talking nonhumans, discriminations, etc.) or do you just pick-and-choose what you like?

      July 15, 2013 at 12:08 am |
  16. Anon

    A religion supposedly founded by a mythological mofo is one of the reasons for this pro-life crap.

    July 12, 2013 at 4:11 pm |
    • Vic

      Most people don't realize that "Natural Law" which we perceive by built-in functions, i.e. Basic Instincts, Intuition and Common sense through God's "Natural Revelation," is where morals such as "Pro-Life" come from. Belief in God affirmed such morals.

      July 12, 2013 at 4:52 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Vic, I don't see much emphasis by pro-lifers on the myriad of other ways that life ends: food security, water security, treatable disease, traffic safety, gun safety, drug safety, etc, etc. Why only embryos?

      July 12, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
    • Observer

      Vic,

      "Belief in God affirmed such morals."

      Nope. The Bible offers more to support abortion than to oppose it. God's actions showed that.

      July 12, 2013 at 5:14 pm |
    • Vic

      @I S w t "..."

      If any of what you described happened by design, it is a crime by definition!

      Regarding pregnancy, if the unborn has a heartbeat, it is a person!

      July 12, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
    • Observer

      Vic,

      Just like everything else in the Bible, you pick what you agree with and ignore the rest. Read the Bible and then you won't have to pretend it says things it doesn't. The word "abortion" is NEVER mentioned.

      July 12, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
    • Vic

      @Observer "..."

      You don't seem to understand; I said "Natural Law!" It does not need to be revealed in scripture! Just like murder, I oppose it based on "Natural Law." As I mentioned before, God revealed His "Natural Law" (of which is morality) to everyone, which we perceive by built-in functions, i.e. Basic Instincts, Intuition and Common Sense! I also mentioned that Belief in God affirmed morality.

      July 12, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Santa, you must not have read Humanae Vitae, theology of the Body or other Catholic social teachings. Don't blame Vic because you're uneducated and some people fit your description of selectively pro-life. There are people who are categorically pro-life, just like there are people who are selectively pro-choice. It's not either or. More of a continuum.

      July 12, 2013 at 5:38 pm |
    • Anon

      Proper place for the big book of Mediterranean myths.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OgAXbyzP5g

      July 12, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
    • Doobs

      @ Bill Deacon

      How many Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Baha'i, Zoroastrian, Candomblé, or Jewish theological and social texts have you read?

      It's not our fault that you're so uneducated.

      July 12, 2013 at 5:49 pm |
    • Observer

      Vic

      You don't seem to understand that if God actually believed in opposing killing fetuses, he would not have indifferently killed so many of them himself.

      Read a Bible. Wishful thinking isn't the same thing as reality.

      July 12, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
    • Akira

      I wish men could get pregnant. I would love to see which men would walk the walk after talking such big talk.
      Alas, at this moment men can say what they please. I hope technology can catch up. That would be AWESOME.

      May it happen in my lifetime.

      July 12, 2013 at 6:04 pm |
    • Vic

      @Observer "..."

      I never claimed to understand everything in the Bible but I do know (metaphor for believe) that God and human are not equal in the least bit! God is the creator and owner of everything, whether we understand what He does or not! All lives He gives and takes are His own. We barely know a thing about His divine wisdom!

      July 12, 2013 at 6:10 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      @Akira..............If men can get pregnant. may it happen AFTER I die. I'll be honest. I've seen my wife give birth TWICE. I DON'T WANT THE JOB.

      July 12, 2013 at 6:11 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      @Vic..............You're delusional. Where was god on 9/11? You're telling me he created Osama Bin Laden? Jeffrey Dahmer? John Wayne Gacy? Timothy McVeigh? With friends like this, who needs enemies.

      July 12, 2013 at 6:16 pm |
    • Vic

      @Akira "..."

      A man is XY Chromosome based, a woman is XX Chromosome based. There is nothing else! There is nothing that can alter that. It is a Divine Design!

      July 12, 2013 at 6:19 pm |
    • Observer

      Vic

      @Observer "..."

      "I never claimed to understand everything in the Bible " "We barely know a thing about His divine wisdom!"

      Why do so many Christians insist they KNOW enough to tell gays they will go to hell or that pro-choice people are wrong since the Bible says so?

      July 12, 2013 at 6:20 pm |
    • Vic

      @Observer "..."

      I already explained my position on the mentioned issues. Plus, there are about 40,000 Christian Denominations! They all differ on details but all are Christians by ONLY ONE THING, Belief in Jesus Christ as Lord and personal Savior, that is!!!

      July 12, 2013 at 6:28 pm |
    • Akira

      @Vic: "...",
      Says the man who can't even put himself into a hypothetical, yet can continue to try and make choices for what he can never be.

      @Ken: you're honest. Props to you.

      July 12, 2013 at 6:29 pm |
    • Observer

      Vic

      "A man is XY Chromosome based, a woman is XX Chromosome based. There is nothing else! There is nothing that can alter that. It is a Divine Design!"

      Yep,. It just takes sperm and egg. The orientation of the contributors is not critical.

      Are you talking about gays?

      July 12, 2013 at 6:37 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      @Vic...............................Since you love to tell women how to live. Have you considered a s3x change? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Show women how it's done since you're such an expert.

      July 12, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
    • Mina

      Which God would condone rape, faith? Hint: the one in the OT.

      July 12, 2013 at 7:45 pm |
  17. Just the Facts Ma'am...

    So how many people on here do you think would show up at a CNN Belief Blog Convention? And of those who would show, how many would wear their actual blog names on their shirts?

    July 12, 2013 at 1:50 pm |
    • Damocles

      I would.

      July 12, 2013 at 1:55 pm |
    • WASP

      i would wear a bright neon blinking name tag. XD

      July 12, 2013 at 1:56 pm |
    • Random thought

      Only ones with a pair would. Lately, hard to tell female or male or juries out on gender. No disrespect.

      Glad you had courage to ask.

      July 12, 2013 at 1:56 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      What a self-congratulatory circle-jerk that would be.

      July 12, 2013 at 2:02 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      I would.

      (I don't like to travel, though; but I live in a great tourist town in Calif. - could we have it here?)

      July 12, 2013 at 2:02 pm |
    • Akira

      I would. I've nothing to hide, lol.

      July 12, 2013 at 2:04 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      Can I wear a frowny face sticker with my name on it?

      July 12, 2013 at 2:04 pm |
    • Johnny

      You would instantly know who faith and lol are because they wouldn't be able to speak in complete sentences.

      July 12, 2013 at 2:04 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      I always kind of pictured them in Capt Pike OST chairs... blink. blink blink...

      July 12, 2013 at 2:07 pm |
    • Damocles

      Lol and faith would most likely show up wearing the same body.

      July 12, 2013 at 2:07 pm |
    • Damocles

      @LET

      Hah!

      July 12, 2013 at 2:08 pm |
    • lol??

      I have way too many names to fit on a single shirt, even the XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXL size I wear.

      July 12, 2013 at 2:24 pm |
    • The Stunningly Ineffective Zombie Apocalypse of Cluckles the Boneless Chicken

      If it's a full-contact no-rules ultimate cage convention, then I am in. Though lacking bones, I may not be as dangerous as I imagine.

      July 12, 2013 at 2:27 pm |
    • Akira

      Lol??, your name is Legion?

      July 12, 2013 at 2:33 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      I'd not only wear a nametag, I'd bring two pieces of mail and an AirMiles card in the name of Dr. Humoladonne Q. Vestibule.
      (been using the moniker since the late '90s)
      I'd attend simply to satisfy my curiosity as to what you all look like in meatspace...

      July 12, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
    • Basically

      You will have to hold the convention at Bellevue so the faith, Austin, HeavenSent, and Robert Brown can attend to.

      July 12, 2013 at 3:11 pm |
    • Bob

      Doc, "...meatspace" -good one. Hadn't heard it before.

      Often have appreciated your sane posts. Again this time. Thanks.

      July 12, 2013 at 3:51 pm |
    • Vic

      Do I get extra points for having toured CNN World Headquarters in Atlanta, Georgia before?!

      July 12, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      I would. I'm in NYC on 42nd st. east side. Come on over.

      July 12, 2013 at 5:35 pm |
    • Ken Margo

      @basic...............LOL

      July 12, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
    • Akira

      @Vic: lol, no.

      July 12, 2013 at 6:13 pm |
  18. Cpt. Obvious

    To all the folks that claim CNN is "communist" and biased towards nonbelievers and pro-choice and all that:

    Did you harpies notice the wording of the t.itle? It says "unborn child?" Does that sound like the wording an atheist-biased, "pro-abortion," liberal-leaning organization would use?

    July 12, 2013 at 1:35 pm |
  19. tony

    Ra-pe by someone going against god's will, clearly can create a extra person not in god's plan. Likewise free will decisions to m-urder and/or use condoms can remove the future life and lineage of someone who god originally planned for.

    So there clearly can't be a plan.

    July 12, 2013 at 1:22 pm |
    • WASP

      someone give tony a cookie...............no seriously i love your comment. 🙂

      July 12, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
    • Camber

      Humans were given free will and free reign over the earth. Whatever plan existed fell apart very quickly.

      July 12, 2013 at 1:29 pm |
  20. Random thought

    Candiano,

    You seem to be a troubled individual, presumably a woman based upon your various replies.

    Do you fear anything?

    Did someone abuse you?

    Have you had one or more abortions?

    Have you considered getting some professional help?

    Doubtful you believe in God, so want bother trying to point out any opportunities there.

    Would highly suggest, take a few breathes before lashing out again to those who believe in life at any point.

    You need serious help.

    July 12, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
    • Candiano

      I need help for having an opinion?

      July 12, 2013 at 12:18 pm |
    • Random thought

      Didn't answer my questions.

      Will reply to your when you do.

      FYIA – Father's have opinions too!

      July 12, 2013 at 12:28 pm |
    • WASP

      @random: hmmmm men only have "an opinion" as far as if the finish inside or not. once the egg is fertilized men no longer have a say so.
      old saying " your right to throw your fist, ends at the tip of my nose."
      basically meaning you have no rights to anothers body. 🙂

      July 12, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
    • Johnny

      Just judging by the question asked the father above thinks that women should be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen.

      July 12, 2013 at 12:37 pm |
    • Random thought

      @wasp

      Using your logic, after conception occurs the male and female have 100% equal say on the life of that child. Male contribution either by innercourse or by insemination has granted him a say in matters of carrying the child to full term and exiting the womb into the presence of mom and dad.

      July 12, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
    • Candiano

      My life is none of your business.
      Take your armchair psychology elsewhere.

      July 12, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
    • Random thought

      Candiano,

      Your personal problems must run deeper than anyone could imagine.

      Get help! It doesn't take a professional to know you are bent on destruction of human life.

      That's sick in any book or minds of normal people.

      You're not normal.

      July 12, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
    • Candiano

      Get real. Dad is driving the woman to the clinic half the time.

      Anyone else have the feeling that this guy is Douglas in disguise?

      July 12, 2013 at 12:50 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

      Candiano

      You shouldn't respond to such blatant trolling.

      July 12, 2013 at 12:55 pm |
    • Candiano

      Lol.
      You were the one crying a little while ago that your posts were being deleted; your personal attacks on me may be one reason why.

      Stop the pop psychology. The only one you're qualified to speak for is yourself.

      July 12, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
    • WASP

      @RANDOM: ummm YES! i have equal say over the life of my son................only after he is born.
      let's try this angle then, seeing you aren't getting it.

      you get a woman pregnant; she doesn't want to have the child; you attempt to force her to have the child, the law states no abortion.....................you think that will stop her?
      can you be there every second of everyday to ensure she doesn't throw herself down the stairs, or impale herself with knife, or drink an old mixture of herebal remedies described in the bible to abort the fetus on her own?
      what are you going to do? tie her to a chair? lmfao.

      men are soooo fracking short sighted. you HAVE NO CONTROL over womens bodies as it is; you fracking morons never have. only through force can you make her have a child, or through percuasion, and even then, trust me i know her body can still ABORT IT. had it happen with my first pregnancy, it hurt a lot losing that child.
      seeing god has a plan for everyone and knows everything..............IT'S HIS FAULT I LOST MY FIRST CHILD! prove me wrong.

      July 12, 2013 at 1:00 pm |
    • Candiano

      Dave, you're right. The buck stops here.

      July 12, 2013 at 1:00 pm |
    • Random thought

      No, the Buck stops at the abortion clinic.

      July 12, 2013 at 1:05 pm |
    • Candiano

      Which you have no say in. Woman's body, woman's choice.

      July 12, 2013 at 1:11 pm |
    • Candiano

      And I'll give you one little tidbit to gnaw on, Random. My first name is Joseph. Want to assume any more absurdities, based on my answers?

      Grow up.

      July 12, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @WASP
      It is odd how few men are able to accept reality.
      When my SO unexpectedly became pregnant, we talked about how we each were feeling and what we each thought was the best course of action, but even before the pee stick turned blue, I knew that while I could voice my opinion, the choice was not mine to make.
      My choice was in whether to support HER decision, whatever it might've been.

      July 12, 2013 at 1:22 pm |
    • faith

      them reborners r a bad bucnh, ain't they? lol

      more evidence

      crime

      July 12, 2013 at 1:31 pm |
    • faith

      them reborners r a bad bucnh, ain't they? lol

      more evidence

      crime ba0a3d146922a000c966

      July 12, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
    • Random thought

      @Joe Cardaino then

      You try to represent a woman choice or right, made you come across as a woman. Something to chew on yourself.

      So mano, to mano, – my wife is pro life at all stages. She highly disagrees with the fema-nazies who praise the 1973 Supreme Court decision. You buddy of old, hit-ler had same philosophy, sterilized women and abortion comes from his handbook. Where do you think Planned UnParenthood got their marching orders from? They took it right out of the naz-i Playbook on the elimination of Jews and other undesirables, including children with birth defects.

      Want more history lessons?

      July 12, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
    • Just the Facts Ma'am...

      "Want more history lessons?" lol

      We all know "faith" aka Random thought failed History just like he failed English.

      July 12, 2013 at 2:04 pm |
    • Observer

      Random thought

      "You buddy of old, hit-ler had same philosophy, sterilized women and abortion comes from his handbook. Where do you think Planned UnParenthood got their marching orders from? They took it right out of the naz-i Playbook on the elimination of Jews and other undesirables, including children with birth defects.

      Want more history lessons?"

      Why would anyone want more lessons when you are clueless about history and ignore facts so you can distort it?

      Fact: Margaret Sanger founded the precursor to Planned Parenthood in 1921, LONG before the reign of Hitler.

      Wishful thinking on your part does not make for reality. Read some history books.

      July 12, 2013 at 2:16 pm |
    • God wears panties

      Dont let facts get in the way faith/random
      .
      Margaret Higgins Sanger (September 14, 1879 – September 6, 1966) was an American birth control activist, s e x educator, and nurse. Sanger popularized the term birth control, opened the first birth control clinic in the United States, and established organizations that evolved into the Planned Parenthood Federation of America.

      In 1916, Sanger opened the first birth control clinic in the United States, which led to her arrest for distributing information on contraception.

      July 12, 2013 at 2:23 pm |
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