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 Pope Francis boards the plane on July 22 for Brazil -- with a single carry-on bag.
July 22nd, 2013
10:47 AM ET
Pope Francis embarks on historic trip to Brazil, where protesters awaitBy Eric Marrapodi and Miguel Marquez, CNN Rio de Janeiro (CNN) – For the first time in the history of the Catholic Church, a Latin-American pope will touch down on his own continent on Monday. Pope Francis, the 76-year-old Argentine, begins his first apostolic visit Monday in Brazil, home to the world’s largest Catholic population. The pope will be participating in World Youth Day, a weeklong celebration aimed at revitalizing young Catholics, and the church, here and around the world. Organizers said 400,000 pilgrims from around the world had registered, though the crowds are expected to be much larger as people try to catch a glimpse of the pontiff known as the “people’s pope.” Many of the events with the pope will be open to the public and not just the pilgrims. Francis arrives in Brazil at a touchy time. Social unrest has been brewing here in Rio and across the country for weeks. Protesters have rallied, sometimes violently, against a lack of government services and problems with public transportation and corruption. The Rev. Marcio Queiroz, a World Youth Day spokesman in Brazil, said there are some security concerns but that the protesters also represent "a face of God." World Youth Day organizers say the final tab for the trip could cost as much as 350 million reals ($156 million) with pilgrims picking up 70 percent of the tab. More than 20,000 jobs related to the event will be created, according to the organizers, who estimated that the festivities could add more than half a billion reals ($222 million in U.S. dollars) to Brazilian coffers. A wide variety of protesters will try to use the pope’s visit to draw attention to their causes over the course of the week. A gay rights group is staging a kiss-in along the route where Francis is scheduled to drive through the city in an open-topped "popemobile." The pope’s choice to use a popemobile without bulletproof glass has caused security concerns. Brazil’s Gen. Jose Abreu, who is overseeing the papal visit, said “the bulletproofing would lessen our worries.” But, he conceded, “it’s a personal choice and we’ll respect it, but it’s not remotely pleasant for security forces.” The Brazilian government has deployed thousands of security forces to protect the pontiff. WATCH: Brazil prepares for Pope Francis' arrival The pope carried his own luggage as he boarded the papal plane in Rome bound for Rio De Janeiro. Aboard the plane to Rio, the pope spoke briefly with reporters and did not take questions. "The global crisis has brought nothing good to young people. I saw the data on youth unemployed last week. We run the risk of having a generation without work," Francis said. He told reporters he hoped to engage in dialogue on the issue during his trip. As the sun rose over Copacabana Beach on Monday, workers furiously hammered, sawed, and painted the main stage ahead of the pope’s arrival. The massive stage is being built 100 yards away from the crashing waves. Giant screens and speakers line the beach for more than a mile from the main stage. “We've been fund-raising for a year now and it's just amazing. God's work has brought us here, and it's such an amazing feeling,” said Sarah Butler, a Catholic pilgrim from Austin, Texas.
On Tuesday the stage will play host to the welcoming Mass for pilgrims from around the world. The pope will greet the pilgrims Thursday on the beach. World Youth Day takes place every two years and was planned long before the pope’s election in March. Shortly after his election, Francis confirmed he would be attending the event, and then added many stops to the papal agenda that had been prepared for his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI. While in Brazil, the pope will visit one of the world’s biggest shrines to the Virgin Mary, who is revered here; visit a hospital for recovering drug addicts; hear confessions from juvenile prisoners; and visit a slum known as a favela. READ MORE: Singing priests revive Catholic Church in Brazil Brazil is home to an estimated 123 million Catholics, but that population has dropped significantly in the last few decades. In the 1970s, census data showed the country was over 90% Catholic. In 2010 Catholics made up 65% of the population, as the numbers of evangelical Protestants and religiously unaffiliated Brazilians grew by large margins. Datafolha, one of Brazil's leading research companies, put the percentage of Catholics in Brazil at 57% in a new survey on religious affiliation released on Sunday. CNN's Barbara Arvanitidis and CNN contributor John Allen contributed to this report.
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"Brazil is home to an estimated 123 million Catholics, but that population has dropped significantly in the last few decades. In the 1970s, census data showed the country was over 90% Catholic. In 2010 Catholics made up 65% of the population, as the numbers of evangelical Protestants and religiously unaffiliated Brazilians grew by large margins."
religion.... going away.... buh bye!
oh, you must have forgotten to add this,
"Brazil's Protestant community has grown from 26 million in 2000 to 42 million in 2010. Brazil's Pentecostal or neo-Pentecostal population has grown to 6 percent of the country's population in 1991 to 13 percent in 2010.
Pew said it found Brazilian Catholics tend to be older and live in rural areas, while its Protestants tend to be younger and live in urban areas."
I know you must be a bit embarrased for missing the fact the religion is NOT going anywhere.
Yes, it is silly to claim that religion is going away in a nation like Brazil at the rate of decline we are seeing in Europe.
But you also left this part out: religiously unaffiliated Brazilians grew by large margins. I assume these 'unaffiated' still believe in a so called 'god' but they are unlikely to following RCC teachings with regards to se xual conduct.
I've never know where to rate "religiously unaffiliated" people. They seem to va gue to define properly for the sake of population stats. They obviously not of any one faith but they are not atheists either.
I would think from an atheist pov they should be counted as religious as anyone who is catholic.
I've never know where to rate "religiously unaffiliated" people. YES, that is a hard one! Here in the USA we are seeing a lot of surveys and other 'info' regarding this so called group but they are hard to classify. I was looking at this from a political POV. This group tends to lean left on social issues as it relates to setting of actual policies (e.g. support right to SSM, birth control, abortion even if they might not agree with these things from a faith perspective).
Cross Dresser with no known spouse affords first class air ticket to visit family overseas
Is there a choir boy convention going on down there?
That's so funny in a way that's totally not.
Gotta get them to hit those high notes somehow.
"For the first time in the history of the Catholic Church, a Latin-American pope will touch down on his own continent on Monday."
Jumping Jesus on a pogo-stick, whatever happened to quality journalism? Jorge Mario Bergoglio (Pope Frankie Four-Fingers) is Italian. He was born in Argentina to ITALIAN parents, both of them being born in Italy. Same as my parents being from Ireland, being born in the US doesn't make me a Native American. Or John McCain, born in Panama to American parents, doesn't make him Panamanian.
John McCain needs to publish his birth certificate.
It's funny, I was rather surprised that was rarely brought up during the 2008 election, when the one candidate who was actually born in one of our 50 states (not just on US territory abroad) was the one accused of being a foreigner.
Q.1 The completely absurd theory that all 7,000,000,000 human beings on the planet are simultaneously being supervised 24 hours a day, every day of their lives by an immortal, invisible being for the purposes of reward or punishment in the “afterlife” comes from the religion of:
(a) The ancient Celts;
(b) Bronze Age Egyptians;
(c) Pre-Colombian Aztecs; or
(d) Modern Catholics
Sorry...try asking a question that doesn't show your bias in the first few words.
Even if you rephrase the question, would you like the obvious answer?
The question itself is negated because it is a strawman.
I could ask a question like: Who is a person who runs their mouth as if they have something to offer
a) Colin
b) Hitler
c) Mao
d) all of the above
The obvious answer is (d) of course but would it be a legit question? Of course not and neither is the above for the same reasons. Asking loaded questions that are deprived of honesty is false. Do you not agree?
Your point is that Colin runs his mouth. I agree.
His point is that he thinks it is completely absurd theory that all 7,000,000,000 human beings on the planet are simultaneously being supervised 24 hours a day, every day of their lives by an immortal, invisible being for the purposes of reward or punishment in the “afterlife”. I agree with his point as well, even though I would never try to make a point in the same manor as he did.
I guess you hit a nerve!! 🙂
Uncouth Swain, do you have the butt flu yet?
Oh joy..the little people have arrived to give their insights on, well...how do you add to the topic besides insults?
Sal, what is your problem? He was just pointing out what he thought was a flaw in an argument.
@Alias- I don't have a problem that you or Colin believe the way you do. But as it seems you do, I think there are better and less insulting ways to get that point across then how Colin tends to do it.
I just have issues with people that want to trash others simply because of how they believe or even don't believe.
Colin, you've been repeatedly discredited as a bigoted, illogical constructor of straw men. When will you stop?
He lives off of Strawmen Bill. He doesn't know any other tricks and the atheist sheep follow him and bleat after him.
Bill Deacon just criticized someone else for being a bigoted, illogical constructor of straw men???
Hahahah!
ROFLMAO!
Amen over an over – like the rosary.
Alias, is that somehow suppose to make Colin's strawmen better? You don't think pointing out the flaws in one makes the other one seem better right?
Can I get an amen?
Amen
Show me my straw man Alias.
Bill, When you incorrectly state that Colin has "been repeatedly discredited as a bigoted, illogical constructor of straw men".
Although there are multiple Colins this post is consistent with the atheist whose classes you rail against; I've never seen any illogical post from him nor bigoted but I presume you say that because he doesn't believe in your god.
Not in the mood to go searching your comments Bill, but I will point out the next ones when they happen.
I would prefer you do so. I would also prefer you refrain from accusations until you have an example. I doubt you will though. For instance, I can support my claim that Colin has been repeatedly discredited in this very thread.
Do explain how that is a straw man. Aer you saying that you don't believe that a god is monitoring every thought, word, and action of every human for the purpose of judgement when life ends?
Are all the "faiths" in the question the same? No.
Are there similarities? Yes.
Does those similarities put them all in the same theological boat? No.
So if one religion fails, does that mean they all do by some imagined connection? No.
This is why the initial question by Colin fails in intent.
The question was – which of the listed religions has that attribute. I understand that is what christians believe; the only comparison was to ancient religions that did not have that belief.
There is no evidence of a god or that it will judge us at the end of life or that it monitors every human every second of its life recording every thought, word, and action.
If the answer is all he seeks, he has again failed by not offering (none of the above).
Are you saying that you don't believe that a god is monitoring every thought, word, and action of every human for the purpose of judgement when life ends?
@In Santa we trust- "Are you saying that you don't believe that a god is monitoring every thought, word, and action of every human for the purpose of judgement when life ends?"
I am guessing we are sticking to the Christian god, then no.
Bill, you've been repeatedly discredited as a liar, a coward, a hypocrite, and a pompous ass. When will you stop?
I hardly think "coward" is justified.
Cowards run away when things get tough Bill, just like you do when the questions get tough.
All of the above.
Q What does prayer achieve?
Q What is worship for?
Tony, broadly prayer comprises a lot of different things, including worship. Also, including praise, work, study, petiition, thanksgiving, intercession, surrender. The purpose of prayer being to align oneself with the will of God.
That wasn't the question, Bill.
What does prayer achieve? It give the people of that religion a sense of participation in hoping for their wishes to come true.
What does worship achieve? It's a vehicle for hope and thankfulness for their stated beliefs.
What does trying to knock all of that achieve?
I'm an agnostic, but I really see no point in trying to change the viewpoint of 'the faithful'. If someone believes something with all of their being what harm does it do you? The Pope seems like a genuinely contrite man who has been chosen to lead his church. If you have an issue with organized religion then you might knock your head on some other wall. Believe what you believe and let others do the same.
The people that have an issue with the RCC and large groups of Catholics in Brazil. When the last pope was in town the protest were huge. Brazil has a very se xual culture and use of birth control is a must (from an economic POV). The younger Catholics still love the ritual but not the actual policies of the RCC. This conflict is real.
Hopefully he stays away from the soccer pitch. You know what can happen down there if the crowd doesn't like you.
Welcome Holy Father!
Logic is man's invention. Disbelief in god is logical. Therefore disbelief in god is man's invention.
Big bang is the source of gravity, atoms, energy, time and space. Before big bang there was no matter, energy, gravity nor time and space. Therefore matter, energy, gravity nor time and space cannot be the source of big bang. Big bang happened before the existence of logic (according to logic).
The point is we cannot prove or disprove god without logic. Inevitably the conclusion of whether god exist or not is man made which is the same claim that religion is man made. Logic cannot claim superiority over belief. In fact the opposite is true. You have to believe in your logic but you don't have to be logical to believe.
Where do you get this crap?
There was matter, time and space before the big bang.
Logic did not have a beginning either- please explain how you think it does.
You sound like a very logical person.
god was created by man to explain why stuff happens.
Nope you are wrong. Time, matter, and space did not exist before the "Big Bang". How could it have? Also how can you say logic had no beginning? 1+1=2 was created by man, it didn't just happen. Again how could it have? It would mean that an intelligent language always existed. If that is true, then evolution is a hoax. The poster make a great point. If God is mans creation, so is logic (which includes evolution).
Why do think there was nothing, and suddenly the big bang happened? I think this is a christian idea that god created everything from nothing. There was matter before the big bang. I also have no reason to believe that all matter that exists was part of that occurrence.
1+1=2 is true in any language. It did not take a human language for this to add up.
Evolution is not logic, it's fact.
Logic did not have a beginning. You believe it? Same thing god did not have a beginning.
I can't even begin, in the space here on a blog post, to describe the myriad ways you're wrong.
Please explain without using logic.
squirrel
god does not exist.
Nah, she has you stumped. Logic is in fact man made. Now don't get me wrong, I admire science, but consider just one aspect of science, Physics:
Physics is grounded in the laws that it finds to structure the universe. Ultimately cosmologists want to find a unifying law that explains everything. The reason some scientists want to prove time really does not exist is that if times does not exist then they can unify the “subatomic atomic world of quantum mechanics with the vast cosmic one of general relativity.”, which use two different versions of time. They assume “that all you need are the laws- the universe can take care of itself, including its own creation.” Before the anomaly that created the spacetime bubble, besides nothing, “Quantum physics has to exist (in some sense) so that a quantum transition can generate the cosmos in the first place.” Therefore, nothing is a structured nothing, which enables the possibility of creation to be possible. They believe there is a Superlaw that would explain the rules of why there are protons, neutrons and so forth and why things happen the way they do. Yet how can nothing be structured and have laws? Nothing in this sense, is not the privation of everything either. There are the laws of physics that mean that there was the possibility of creation or other anomalies and thus not absolutely nothing. Therefore, “an ultimate law ‘has a mathematical structure which is uniquely defined as the only logically consistent physical principle. That is to say, physics is proclaimed ‘necessary’ in the same way that God is proclaimed necessary by theologians.”
We can take some comfort that nothing comes from nothing. That there was a state of affairs that lead up to creation. Yet in the end we find that creation and reality is more based on appearances than what is fundamental. So it is not that everything came from nothing, but that reality itself is less real than we think. The reality that we perceive is but a fragile illusion, which lead us to believe that time, space, matter and difference actually exist. To me, science is just another religion with man made "Logic" as its God.
Your entire arguemant is based on the idea that everything came from nothing.
I reject your assumption, and therefore your conclusions.
All the matter that is here now was here before the big bang, even if it was in a different form.
Al baby, you're so full of crap. There are no "two versions" of time. I see you never took even one course in Physics.
"We can take some comfort that nothing comes from nothing."
How very good of you to sum up religion in a single sentence.....bravo!!
The burden of proof rests with those who propose the idea. You say "there is a God", science responds by saying "prove it". Science has never said "there is no God, look here is our proof".
Burden of proof. Is that logical or you just believe it. Please explain without using logic.
stupid request. "explain without using logic"
Just because you want to claim domain over all logic and reason, that doesn't mean I have to accept your restrictions.
My logic is older than your god.
What are the criteria you would accept in an explanation, if not logic ?
Please explain the existence of God. Using logic. Do you even know the MEANING of the word?
You are being illogical. Dismissed.
I can see you believe in Spock. You didn't think about it did you?
god is man's invention.
And so is everything logical is man's invention. To assert that logic has always existed boarders on belief itself.
incorrect. Where are you getting this from anyway?
Maths and Physics are ways of discovering the logic that already exists in all the various structures and process of the universe.
Physics and math already use logic. They aren't tools to discover logic.
Of course they are. You'd be hard pressed to discover laws of gravity if you were a space creature just floating midway between a few very distant galaxies.
Once you discover some logical processes and effects, you can use it yourself to figure out more things. And so on.
Tony
At one point in the recent past your religion told us in no uncertain terms that the sun revolved around the earth.
Because ancient scholars of the bible said it was so.
Galileo ....using science and logic proved that incorrect.....yet the church put him under house arrest for denying ....a logically arrived at fact.
Logic is man's invention? Good grief, that's a new one.
Do you think 1+1=2 is man's invention too?
The rules of math and logic are man made. When one sees logic in the universe, he sees the rules of logic.
Incorrect. Where are you getting this from?
You are wrong.
Hey sorenia, you idiot, you just contradicted yourself.
First you say the Big Bang was the source of space-time.
They you proceed to talk about "before" the Big Bang.
If time began at the Big Bang, there was no "before" it.
Maybe you could go to the mall and buy a cue.
Here is what I said in the post:
" Big bang is the source of gravity, atoms, energy, time and space. Before big bang there was no matter, energy, gravity nor time and space".
Here is what you are saying:
If time began at the Big Bang, there was no "before" it.
Okay I will rephrase just for you squirrel brain, at the time of the big bang there was no "before it" – no matter, no energy, no gravity nor time and space.
the Pope is dope, dawg.
Technically couldn't he be considered the leader of the largest group of pedophiles in history? His followers would even give Mohammed The Pedophile Prophet a run for his money.
BOW!!!!!
YIELD!!!!!
KNEEL!!!!
AND GIVE ME YOUR MONEY, ERR UMM, I MEAN DONATIONS!!!
You could be right. You're not, but you could be.
The largest group of pedophiles is spread out throughout the world, and not only in religion. Donations are voluntary and they don’t go to a pastor that decides to open a “franchise church at any shopping center” donations go to missions and outreach, FYI. I have seen it, therefore, I talk.
Well of course cnn had to mention that the GAYSTAPO will be there. Good luck with that gaystapo
I see what you did there. And it is boring.
I saw what you did felix. It was very fruity.
Gays are making great progress. Soon SSM will be legal even in most of Latin American. I'm sure they welcome your support.
And the beat goes on...
Well, what can I say, this is like; who cares? Only Catholics and other idolaters do care. Wearing long robes and funny hats does makes the pope office look like something worthy in the eyes of the world. Not in the eyes of the Lord and the true believers in Christ Jesus.
well..they do, why else comment?
Obviously the 400,000 going care. As for the the who cares? Look in the mirror and see it.
This is an important news story even for non Catholics and agnostics like myself. Why? Well while the majority in Brazil claim to be Catholic they don't follow the RCC's stance with regards to se x ual issues. e.g. they use non approved forms of birth control and when that fails they have abortions. Like here there is also a movement in support of gay rights especially by the younger generation.
This Pope has done wll addressing large groups but I wonder how he will handle the protest against the RCC backwards policies.
"In fact, religion is a belief so it is not invented. Would you say that love or hate are human inventions?"
How do you beleive in something false if it wasnt invented? Some people beleive in bigfoot, does that mean he is real or someone invented the idea of him?
This flight to the Third World seems to epitomize the plight of the RCC
They need to go further and further into the jungle to find people ignorant to buy into the scam any longer
Obviously you've never been to Sao Paulo or Rio de Janero
Just let him insult the people of South America. It makes him out do be the ditz we all know him to be.
Ignore the pedolovers what you write makes sense.
William; As the stats show the RCC is losing followers even in Brazil. Brazil has more pick and choose Catholics than in the USA.
What does the supposed drop in RCC population have to do with anything? You aren't one of those crazy group think people are you?
Oh, you forgot to mention that while it appears that catholics are going down...Protestants are on the rise.
I think you also forgot to mention that the drop in the RCC in Brazil isn't realted to non-belief but due to the fact that most Brazilian catholics tend to be rural and older. Makes sense that their numbers would naturally drop as Brazil becomes more urban.
Brazil is a very se xual culture and a majority have rejected the RCC stance on these issues (based on a study of their actual behavior). But they also love the rituals and the Pope as a figure head. So they will worship him and hold big rallies why others dress up like condoms, support SSM, and push the use of the pill.
@jazzguitarman- you fail to show that the "se xual culture" is the reason for the drop in RCC numbers. Within Protestantism, this kind of behavior isn't exactly looked upon as good but their numbers are rising.
It is more reasonable that since the rural population is mostly catholic and the urban world is rising in Brazil...that is why the population is dropping. Historical case in point, look at the US 100 years ago. It was largely rural and you have to admit, had it's own unique culture. But with the rise of the urban lifestyle and outside factors like the Dust Bowl and Great Depression...that unique culture began to die out more and more. One result was that the religious aspect of that culture also went into decline. Not because the people rejected the religion but because of the cultural change that took place.
Just a lesson to help your education. Brazil is the 6th economy in the world. Richer than the UK which is the 7th. Therefore no longer considered 3rd world country. The country has a very educated middle class. So go get an education.
The decline in RCC membership is directly linked to the increase in Brazilian educational standards.
Got any evidence to back that up?
Or are you one of those people that think the drop in pirate population since the 1600's is a direct cause of the increase in global warming as well?
To the religious who oppose stem cell research: It seems stem cell tech might be able to help cure some forms of blindness.
Still don't feel stupid?
Sorry, folks, jesus is imaginary, jesus is imaginary. Shout it from the rooftops!
Let me see... do I put my faith and belief in your opinion, or the faith and belief of 100's of millions of other people? Hmmm tough choice. Guess I gotta go with the majority on this one. Too bad Stevie.
Are you aware that the Catholic Church doesn't oppose adult stem cell research? Still feeling stupid?
@stevie68a-
So let me get this straight...you go from an ,"It seems..." that is covering medical science and somehow arrive to a positive claim that there was no Jesus...which would be a historical topic.
Are you daft?
Jesus doesn't need stem cell research to cure the blind. Jesus wins every time .
Jeebus goes for the spit and mud cure. It makes you so sick you don't care about being blind.
So all the blind people Jesus doesn't cure, he must hate. I mean he has to power but decides to take time off instead.
Many get cured, many don't, it does not mean He hates them, I have known people with illness/other sufferings that thank these experiences because they have grown spiritually and many of them are wayyy more optimistic towards life than you and all the healthy people!!
Why doesn't Jesus grow limbs back on all the Iraq war vets then?
I believe mankind is on the verge of a resurgence of spirituality, but the word won't come from the Vatican, or Mecca, or Salt Lake City. I will probably come from either MIT, or CERN. Just my take on it...
Ooops. Meant to say the Word will come from either MIT, or CERN. Just my take on it...
I can see it now; in a thousand years the Great Schism over whether the prophet Rick actually said "it will come" or "I will come".
What a tool.
they were both wrong, the hats were supposed to be blue.
LOL, Bill...
Actually the schism has already happened. It's just growing now, and it won't take 1000 years.