Security raised to`high risk' for pope in Brazil
A car carrying Pope Francis gets mobbed in the streets of Rio on July 22.
July 24th, 2013
09:33 AM ET

Security raised to`high risk' for pope in Brazil

By Eric Marrapodi and Miguel Marquez, CNN
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Rio De Janiero (CNN)– The papal visit is now classified as the highest level of security after an incident involving his motorcade.

The Pope's visit has been raised to "high risk" from "medium risk" after his car got stuck in a crowd of enthusiastic followers on Monday, a Brazilian Federal official told CNN.

The source says the problem in part stemmed from the Pope himself instructing drivers not to avoid the crowds.

After the pope arrived in Brazil on Monday he got into a silver hatchback Fiat for the drive from the airport to downtown Rio. Transportation officials in Rio said there were a variety of routes the pontiff's motorcade could have taken. The route they chose ended up pinning the pope's vehicle between a bus and a crush of well wishers who were reaching into the car to touch the pope.

Security officials in Rio huddled for much of the day on Tuesday sorting out how to resolve the incident.

Federal authorities are now taking a larger role in the overall security of the pope during his time in Brazil. More reinforcements are coming for security from Rio.

Hundreds of thousands of pilgrims from around the globe have come to Rio de Janiero for World Youth Day, a week long festival held every two years.

The Vatican told reporters Tuesday night that 500,000 people came to Copacabana beach for the opening ceremony and Mass. Crowds stretched down the beach more than a half a mile from the main stage.

On Tuesday, Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia told National Catholic Reporter that the group of pilgrims from his archdiocese is small because of security concerns.

"I think there's been a sense across Pennsylvania," he told NRC while in Rio, "that this might be a dangerous place for young people to come."

"I know that a number of dioceses in Pennsylvania actively discouraged their young people from coming and didn't sponsor diocesan pilgrimages on purpose," he said.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Catholic Church • Christianity • Pope Francis

soundoff (392 Responses)
  1. Doug

    Lunatic sheep, the lot of them.

    July 24, 2013 at 11:07 pm |
    • Jez

      I totally agree with you – religion is insanity.

      July 24, 2013 at 11:24 pm |
  2. LionlyLamb is a barely intelligible little troll

    Clearly my midichlorean level is out of whack!!!!


    July 24, 2013 at 8:09 pm |
  3. Voice of Truth-Censored by CNN

    Voice of Truth-Censored by CNN

    Behold!!!!! I give ye the one TRUE God!!!!!!

    All kneel before Him!!!!!


    July 24, 2013 at 8:05 pm |


    July 24, 2013 at 7:34 pm |
    • danny

      hitler is roman catholics or member of church hitler is not a cristian ,,this is human alien like you

      July 24, 2013 at 9:31 pm |
      • INinIN

        Catholics ARE Christian. Besides, Hitler isn't anything anymore, being as he's dead.

        July 24, 2013 at 10:34 pm |
        • Yep!

          .....AND in Heaven. After all, all he had to do was repent and he would be forgiven!

          July 25, 2013 at 2:27 am |
        • Doc Vestibule

          Technically, he'd be in hell for killing himself.

          July 25, 2013 at 8:07 am |
        • Johnny

          What if you swallowed the poison and then repented? Assuming the poison takes a few minutes to kick in you should have enough time to ask god to forgive you for killing yourself.

          July 25, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
    • Bippy the new lesser to medium level judging squirrel god

      Just chew on your face.

      July 25, 2013 at 12:50 am |
  5. real reality

    well no need to worry, he has god on his side, and whatever will be will be, it is god's plan for the pope, just like the pope john paul, he had a muslim extremist shoot him, who then converted to catholicism after the pope forgave him, the pope claimed the virgin mary intercedded and both the pope and the muslim terrorist ectremist both believe so because the shot was a kill shot and the terrorist never missed in prior killings

    July 24, 2013 at 7:14 pm |


      July 24, 2013 at 7:38 pm |
      • danny

        if the cristianity is an evil like hitler,,,why the key of kingdom of heaven or the fountain of youth or immortality are in the hand of christianity ,,,,,,, why not to your group or to you,,,, hybrid or human alien is not allowed to this planet and before i distribute this key to the real human 100 % you are not here in planet earth,,,,,,remember,,,IAM THE KEY !!!!!

        July 24, 2013 at 9:40 pm |
  6. lionlylamb

    In the Beginning there was the Word and the Word was God and the Words were with God and of God and about God and God's Sons."

    I believe in God of the Creations made celestially and the establishments of each and every evolved creations manifested upon the celestial domains... You need not believe...

    I am satisfied beyond doubts that God's first begotten son was with God from Celestial Creations beginning moments to the ending ways of evolved creations manifestations upon any earthen world capable to bring forth life and sustain life in the abundances... You need not be satisfied...

    I cherish the wisdom of and try to honor the professed teachings of Christ Jesus despite our Christian inadequacies to render decisively upon others doubts... You need not cherish Christ's wisdom nor honor his teachings...

    For it is a matter of being proud that many prides of people endure their foolish miseries and infidel jealousies hell-bent against any and all of religiously endearing devotions. It is not our wills to be done but God's will to become of our wills that many prideful people are forcibly against. Love is God's conquering force over God's people. You who despise and hate God's chosen will He allow the unloving nurtured natures of the depraved prideful to remain... Without knowing of the bad things how can the right things become foreseen?

    God’s loving kindness is enough to sustain me in my unbridled stamina… As I near my ending day, my loving wants to be with God and all God’s family members cannot be over-run or compromised by others salt ladled wounds… As I progressively near death’s gate, my love for Life weakens me and I am found understanding God’s mercies… Alone nowadays, my heart flutters with every beat as I become ever more humbled by mankind’s tribulations. They are worthy My Lord to continue onwards in their living abundances measuring…

    I was born by parents who were in a way but Gentiles in that their philosophies on and about Life and religions were never handed down to me. Dad was a devoted drunkard and my mother did try her best to ease my petty views when I was growing up. I never attended any church meetings in my youth nor did my parents. I knew about God and Christ Jesus from other parents children I was friends with but paid religion a never-thought.

    In my early adult life I was still not religious. Only as my trials and tribulations within my then unsteadied adulthood made me to consider there is a God and Christ Jesus is the begotten Son of God's conception... To my bereaved desires, God and all of God's sons are as real to me as the sun unwaveringly sets and rises up each and every day since our galaxy was long ago established...

    A beggar's needs are only fulfilled by the humbling sensations of those insecure and ladled with shames dire...

    A believer's needs are not found in triumphs but rather in their humbling devotional dispositions...

    A disbeliever's needs are the fruitions found upon those whom they adore and admire despite their mentoring propagandas made out to be unholy antagonisms of shameless guilt guises...

    As all children need to be comforted, the elders need comforting as well and the dispositions of wellness are of social importance to be as an altering crossing guarded and maintained by humane civilities and soundness moralism...

    July 24, 2013 at 6:16 pm |
    • flying spaghetti monster

      Thank you for helping to demonstrate the sheer rambling idiocy that is the devout religious person. Kudos.

      July 24, 2013 at 7:03 pm |
      • Fr33d0mhawk

        Rambling idiocy is not exclusively the right of the religiously inclined, and is not necessarily indicative of content of character. If you tried to put yourself in lionlylambs shoes, its called empathy and perhaps the most important moral trait possessed by humans, you would probably see nothing but good intentions, somewhat unusual in internet comment threads. I too am an atheist, or at least agnostic, but I recognize that there are good religious people and bad, that type or lack of religion have very little correlation to the goodness of a human being.

        July 24, 2013 at 7:48 pm |
        • The 3's look silly

          Or lionlylamb is a rambling loon. Put myself in his shoes? I'd put myself on a Thorazine drip first.

          July 24, 2013 at 8:28 pm |


      July 24, 2013 at 7:05 pm |
      • Fr33d0mhawk

        Nelson Mandela is a Christian as well. The bottom line, being a member of a religion does not predispose anyone to being a good human or bad. In fact, I would wager that there is little to no correlation between religion, or lack of religion, and the quality of a human being.

        July 24, 2013 at 7:51 pm |
    • SouthernCelt

      The 11th Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Waste Bandwidth!

      July 24, 2013 at 7:15 pm |
    • Voice of Truth-Censored by CNN

      What the devil was THIS nonsense all about????

      July 24, 2013 at 8:07 pm |
    • LionlyLamb is a barely intelligible little troll

      Did Master Yoda teach you that?

      July 24, 2013 at 8:10 pm |
    • noillusion

      Beliefs have no validity; they're just beliefs. Ask yourself: Who would I be without the unbeliever?

      July 24, 2013 at 10:49 pm |
  7. Nobody

    Our mind is both the creator of The Creator and servant of all Servants. Just relax for a moment, look inward and contemplate a bit on all hearsay. You will find the real Freedom.

    July 24, 2013 at 6:12 pm |
  8. lionlylamb

    We all are ambassadors of the godly-like Beings which inhabit our bodies that are merely their buildings thru which they take up residencies inside... Even the worst of our ginormous lots are but containers from which godly-like generational families dare feast upon in times of their famine days and yearly crops failing to bring forth their much needed fruits... For even the families of the first physical God were once of our fleshly deserts and they too were subjected to die as it is written in Genesis 6:3 and their days were likewise numbered and said to be but 120 or so years...

    July 24, 2013 at 5:59 pm |
  9. Jim

    Damn South America, you scary!

    July 24, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
    • Santi

      Get a clue my dear ignorant.. you had 3 presidents shot killed in the US, with secret service, cia, fbi and the whole parade.. docens of people killed in cinema bombings, marathon bombings, school shootings, etc etc... thousands in terrorist attacks in you own soil.. and thousands more a year involving crime, drugs, mafia, etc, etc. You think south america is scary? better take a closer look at your own country.

      July 24, 2013 at 6:47 pm |
  10. lionlylamb

    What many folks seem to encourage jovially are rival bickering between young blooded humanists who banter about incessantly never judging their owned amorous infidelities and always trivializing the bitterness of others' written and even oral wordage... "I am what I am Sam" are the earmarks of standalone infidels who dare not seek the fidelities of devotional humanisms flavored austerities emanating with frugal discourse above the plainness of written and/or spoken dysenteries... "Bite the bullet" antagonists on both young sides might never find frugally endorsed concessions nor open their doors ever so gently...

    July 24, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
    • orepore

      That was a lot of big wordage to really say nothing.

      July 24, 2013 at 5:40 pm |
      • lionlylamb

        Dorkore orepore...

        Your lackiness of whackiness is a wondrous breathe of succulent delirium with a pinch of cascading dementias

        July 24, 2013 at 5:53 pm |
  11. Melenated boy

    Its amazing satan has gained control of the entire world to the point where you can take a random man and claim that he is of 'God" that he is "holy" The pope is nothing more than servant of satan.

    July 24, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      I too use to think that but I woke up from the dreaminess delirium state I found myself to be in... WAKE UP...!

      July 24, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
    • bbjss

      satan is too smart, he has made the whole believe that Jesus did not found the catholic church, satan is too seductive to work with obvious folly like that, he lurks, not show up.....

      July 24, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
      • lionlylamb

        Satan bbjss was once God's loved son and the most handsome of all God's sons... Satan's downward spiral was his desire to be like God in every way which Satan could never be... Satan, along with all his brothers who found him to be their leader did rival God and God's faithful sons and war ensued... Satan along with all his northerly followers were cast out of their heavenly abode and sent to the celestial earthen plains to live among us humans... Thusly the fallen sons of God saw the daughters of mankind to be fair and they took from mankind all the women that they willed...

        July 24, 2013 at 5:42 pm |
        • lionlylamb

          "northerly followers" I meant to write... "Brotherly followers" My bad... I digress...

          July 24, 2013 at 5:47 pm |
        • Athy

          Makes no sense either way, Loony, so why bother to correct it?

          July 24, 2013 at 6:19 pm |
        • lionlylamb

          Athy my lassie...

          If you cannot say anything worthy of sustenance why bother...?

          July 24, 2013 at 6:32 pm |
        • midwest rail

          " If you cannot say anything worthy of sustenance why bother...? "
          That's exactly what we wonder about all of your posts.

          July 24, 2013 at 6:35 pm |
        • lionlylamb

          midwest rail

          Like I said. "Why bother"?

          July 24, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
        • midwest rail

          See previous post. Try a bit of reading comprehension this time.

          July 24, 2013 at 6:49 pm |
        • lionlylamb

          midwest rail

          I thought all the dogs went away and found others to play with...? Seems I have a stray that wants to play..!

          July 24, 2013 at 6:59 pm |
        • Athy

          How can Loony have reading comprehension when he has no "writing" comprehension?

          July 24, 2013 at 7:01 pm |
        • SouthernCeltd

          Satan was never God's son. He was an Archangel who resented Humans being place above them in the Celestial Hierarchy. He claimed to have the same powers as God, rebelled, and was conquered and thrown out of Heaven by St. Michael The Archangel (Prince of the Heavenly Host, etc.)

          July 24, 2013 at 7:20 pm |
        • noillusion

          Without God, there can be no devil. They are two faces of the same coin.

          July 24, 2013 at 10:59 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      Wrong. Yes, the pope is evil, but he's not doing satan's bidding, he's just my pet dragon that I keep in the garage most of the time. If you utilize faith, like other religions do that compare to mine, you can "see" with the "vision of the spirit" a huge 'invisible' outline of a dragon around him. Look for a "haze" about forty feet away from his body and you might be able to see the jagged line of his tail or snout or something. But remember, you have to use faith or it won't work.

      July 24, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
    • real reality

      yeh, as rushdie wrote...satanic verses...the real satan of our time.....and the terrorists who promote via suicide bombings

      July 24, 2013 at 7:15 pm |
  12. Thought Purification

    I wonder what happened to the retired Pope!!! Vatican has made him completely disappeared.

    July 24, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
    • gus308

      I heard He is living in a retirement village with all of the other old mascots

      July 24, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
      • Andy

        Mascots! Too funny. I like Tim Minchin's song about the Pope.

        July 24, 2013 at 11:37 pm |
  13. Jon

    It always amazes me that theists don't make a logical leap. If the Pope is really god's representative on earth – and that is his job description – then why does he need security? Surely he is protected. Why would he worry about dying anyway when paradise awaits? It's completely mad. Seriously, think about it and don't have a dog whistle response.

    July 24, 2013 at 4:59 pm |
    • maddog7676

      What an awful world it must be to live in where you have no element of what defines our humanity – the ability to know that we don't know everything, the ability to have faith. We are not robots, driven by a computer code of 0's and 1's programmed into our "hard drives"

      July 24, 2013 at 5:03 pm |
      • Doobs

        What an awful world it must be to live in where the only thing keeping you from murdering people is the threats of punishment by an invisible, undetectable deity.

        July 24, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
      • Dyslexic doG

        thanks @maddog7676 for yet another hokey, greeting card saying.
        like safety blankets for you Christians.
        you can spit them out on demand.
        and somehow think that you proved a point.

        July 24, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
      • ed dugan

        My word, you just described christains to a tee. I couldn't have done better myself.

        July 24, 2013 at 5:45 pm |
      • Jon

        Why do you think my world is awful? I have a wonderful life. I have a partner, a big house, I drive a BMW, I am well-educated, I have friends and family and I give my time and money to (worthy, non religious) charity.

        I don't need some invisible boogy man who will send me to hell unless I worship him unquestioningly.

        July 24, 2013 at 10:30 pm |
    • Dasea

      wow you just debunked the whole thing, everyone go home, jon figured it out. sorry folks nothing to see here. Let's all get our uplifting from jon on comments, he is smarter than every catholic ever born, what are they going to do with all those useless churches and school? maybe jon and his friends can live in them for free because nobody needs them now. have fun vatical city belongs to you now. well just erase this whole ancient roman religion off the books and jon can be commenter maximus

      July 24, 2013 at 5:10 pm |
      • Anonymous

        If the Catholic church donated all its gold and property to the poor and homeless, there would be a LOT less poor and homeless. I don't think for one second that Jon would keep all that to himself like the Church does. Rather than build monuments to themselves in the Vatican, they should use that money to benefit people, the people who they should be serving; not some egotistical imaginary friend.

        July 24, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
      • Jon

        Schools, stay as schools. Churches, who cares? Bulldoze the ugly ones, convert the architecturally significant ones to other uses. As for the obscene wealth of the church, hey, here is an idea. Why not follow what Jesus allegedly said? Give it to the poor for education and housing.!
        Not spend it on a gigantic money making racket with gold crosses, billions of billions of dollars to maintain the status quo.

        July 24, 2013 at 10:45 pm |
    • Paul

      Just because one is not afraid to die does not mean they are eager to have it happen.

      July 24, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
    • archi

      John, you need to make a logic leap. God has done his Job to create the world and reveal him to us. It is our responsibility to prove ourself to God than ask God's to prove himself. God has reveal himself through his creation, through his love and through Jesus. Pope is a man, he is not God, so he of cause need security. He is willing to die for God, he committed his life to God already, but he is not to be died in a foolish way. That is why he needs security too. Christians who committed their life to God does not mean they have to die like a dog, or to die by someone'e experiment or unbelieve.

      July 24, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
    • Steve

      I'm curious. If you don't believe in God, then why are you wasting your time reading articles about the Pope and commenting negatively? This article should be of no interest to you or any other Atheists, yet there are plenty of them making negative comments about the church and people who are religious. Nothing for you to see here. Move along.

      July 24, 2013 at 5:22 pm |
      • .

        For the same reason people go to the circus, or the zoo, to see the fascinating creatures.

        July 24, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
      • Doobs

        I don't believe in vampires, but I enjoyed reading Dracula. Curiosity is a good thing.

        July 24, 2013 at 5:40 pm |
      • uckermanf

        So people should read only those things they believe in and only those things which back up their beliefs?

        You just confirmed what I have always thought about religious zealots. Thank you!

        July 24, 2013 at 9:37 pm |
      • Saraswati

        Why would a group that makes up half the world's largest faith be of no interest? You'd have to be an idiot not to care what every major religion is up to and facing.

        July 24, 2013 at 9:40 pm |
      • Jon

        Because I am intellectually curious. Because I read the news. Even though I am a law abiding citizen, I still read news items concerning criminals.

        Just because I consider religion to be the biggest con in history does not mean I don't concern myself with its impact. With the Catholic churches' unbelievably bad record, particularly in not protecting vulnerable children, I am enjoying a bit of Schadenfreude regarding its decline. I do despair a little when the poor in Catholic countries seem to still be enslaved by these stupid old men in frocks.

        I am hoping that education and the rise of the internet will change this. Education, critical thinking, clean water and food, housing. These are the things people need.

        Does that answer your question?

        July 24, 2013 at 10:51 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      Jon's logic is impeccable. Not a single reply to him made the slightest dent in his reasoning. Good critical thinking, Jon.

      July 24, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
    • Lycidas

      "If the Pope is really god's representative on earth – and that is his job description – then why does he need security?"

      No evidence that being God's rep means one is protected from the world they live in.

      "Surely he is protected."

      A leap in @ssumption on your part I think.

      "Why would he worry about dying anyway when paradise awaits?"

      No evidence that he is worried. It could be just as likely that others are worried.

      "It's completely mad."

      Just because it seem to frustrate you intellectually doesn't mean it will others.

      July 24, 2013 at 6:51 pm |
      • lightnzdarkness

        God protects the Holy Father, no doubt. He protects the Pope by blessing him with a top notch security team. Remember that story about the guy in the flood who prayed for God to rescue him and after refusing rescue boats and helicopters because God was going to save him? Well, the guy drowned and when he got to heaven he asked God, "Why didn't you answer my prayers? Why didn't you save me from drowning in the flood?" God said, "I tried. I sent you rescue boats and helicopters, but you refused them". When it comes to our daily experience of God, we need to look more at the subtle. Human beings are too busy looking for the extraordinary, when all we have to do is look right in front of us.

        July 25, 2013 at 1:03 am |
  14. Kr

    The opposite of love is indifference, not anger. One is angry with something or someone because that something or someone affects him or her. There is an emotional connection within the angry person. A lot of atheists are angry with God because deep down in their hearts if they are honest, there is something telling them there is a God, a prime mover, a force, who started everything on this earth which they could not push out of their mind.

    July 24, 2013 at 4:55 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Atheists do not believe there is a god, so none of them are angry with that which does not exist. Are you angry with the Loch Ness monster?
      You are making wild a$$umptions about atheists, which are clearly not true of all atheists.

      Do you do this to make yourself superior or has your delusion of god now been extended into a delusion of what others think as well?

      July 24, 2013 at 5:02 pm |
      • Samurai

        Read again. Kr wote, "a lot of atheists..." He is not generalizing like you. You cannot generalize and base you statements on your own personal individual experiece. Kr is correct that many atheists are simply angry with God. There are researches to prove this. Even movies, novels, and television shows, give glimpses of this.

        July 25, 2013 at 4:28 am |
        • Jon

          You are lying when you say you are not a Christian. I recognise that logic. Show me these "studies". Only theists assert things as facts without proof. Most people – if not all – become atheists because they use critical thinking and actually challenge their own beliefs. Anyone who becomes an atheist because they are "angry with god" is not an atheist. Just a rebel. You CANNOT be an atheist and believe in god. Stop believing religous bollocks. There are no real rules to being an atheist except one. You cannot believe in a god. Any god. THAT is the only rule of atheism.

          July 25, 2013 at 5:10 am |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that

          An atheist is somebody who doesn't believe in a god, ergo an atheist can't be angry with a god (no more than he could be angry with Skeletor). A misotheist is somebody hateful or angry towards a god.

          July 25, 2013 at 5:26 am |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you do that


          July 25, 2013 at 7:55 am |
    • Jon

      Oh my, you have such a serious logic problem. Atheists cannot possibly be angry with something they don't believe exists. Are you angry with Zeus., Apollo, Poseidon? Come on, admit it!
      Atheists are angry at people that want to make laws based on what their invisible friend allegedly says. Furthermore, no scrutiny is required. Nobody is stopping you from believing your fairy tales. However, stay the hell away from me and don't try run my life and my bedroom based on said tales.

      July 24, 2013 at 5:04 pm |
      • Dyslexic doG

        well said Jon!

        July 24, 2013 at 5:09 pm |
      • Greg

        well stated.

        July 24, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
      • Samurai

        Not all atheists became atheists because they are angry with God but there are many atheists who became atheists because they are angry with God. Your case might be different but I have met plenty of angry with God turned atheists. There also many studies and articles on angry with God turned atheists. Kr is correct.

        July 25, 2013 at 4:36 am |
    • RestonJeff

      The opposite of love isn't indifference. It's hate. And atheists don't hate what they don't believe to exist. It's a non-sequiter, but one many believers use to explain to themselves why one couldn't possibly believe as they do.

      July 24, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
    • Kr

      I am a counselor and I met a lot of people who became atheists because they are angry with God due to some tragedy in their life. Their concept of God is someone who will protect and grant them what they want instead of a God who inpires them to be loving, caring, just, and moral in spite of darkness in their life. Of course there are other reasons why people dont believe in God and some are too noisy attacking God instead of simply becoming indifferent. So why noisy instead of indifferent if some atheists are not bothered by denying God?

      July 24, 2013 at 5:14 pm |
      • sam

        I'm indifferent about it...right up until someone tries yet again to legislate their chosen morality.

        July 24, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
      • ed dugan

        I am an athiest and anger doesn't have a dmaned thing to do with it. When I started thinking for myself I became an athiest. The bible is BS and I don't need some religious jackal telling me every Sunday how to live my life. I am a clinical psycholigist and I think you need to return to school and get the other half of your wit together, not go into a battle of wits half-armed.

        July 24, 2013 at 5:49 pm |
        • lionlylamb

          Sired Eddie D...

          Your being a "clinician" of psychiatry may well mean your nothing but a servile student of psychiatric conditionings... Your emboldened stance to say religion is "BS" does not fit well considering your being a clinician...

          July 24, 2013 at 6:06 pm |
        • Dippy

          You're, not your. Other than that, your comment is useless.

          July 24, 2013 at 6:26 pm |
        • lionlylamb

          Dippy, the English "grammatacist" well, two out of three "ain't" bad....

          July 24, 2013 at 7:52 pm |
      • Jon

        I am a counsellor and I am a secular. I truly feel sorry for the people that go to your for counselling. What you call counselling is clearly some bizarre bible bashing nonsense. Trying to force people to believe as if that would solve their problems.

        If people turn away from religion because they find out that it's all nonsense and that Yahwey won't save you from tragedy, GOOD! Whatever it takes.

        The day that theists live longer than atheists is the day that I might consider that prayer works.

        July 24, 2013 at 10:57 pm |
        • Samurai

          Jon, Kr did not even mention he is a Christian and uses the bible. He might simply be a believer in God and does not belong to any faith group. Your words show what kind of person you are.

          July 25, 2013 at 4:45 am |
    • sam

      Don't you have to believe something exists before you get angry with it?

      Also, where did you get the idea anyone's angry?

      July 24, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
      • Arthur Bryant

        I see this so often on these boards. "True Believers" are, I am absolutely convinced, incapable of conceiving that anyone could possibly NOT believe. Consequently you get this bizarrely illogical "Oh you're just angry at god because deep down inside you know he's real blah blah blah". It's totally useless to tell them otherwise. They simply cannot believe you. It would rock the foundations of their belief system. For some reason they actually FEAR disbelief.

        July 24, 2013 at 7:16 pm |
  15. hitman

    Whatever this guy is smoking , he should share it!

    July 24, 2013 at 4:53 pm |
  16. Li

    Pope Francis has lived a life serving the people and he continues to do so–as an example of what Christ would do. Christians in general do the MAJORITY of charity in the world, so those who are negative need to consider that without the Church they wouldn't even have hospitals or schools or homeless shelters-things that were first brought about by the Catholic Church.

    July 24, 2013 at 4:46 pm |
    • Doobs

      Right, because no one ever thought about helping the less fortunate before the RCC. They invented charity work.

      July 24, 2013 at 5:10 pm |
    • lionlylamb

      Hi Li...

      All the New England colonies required towns to set up schools, and many did so. In 1642 the Massachusetts Bay Colony made "proper" education compulsory; other New England colonies followed. Similar statutes were adopted in other colonies in the 1640s and 1650s. The schools were all male, with few facilities for girls.[4] In the 18th century, "common schools," appeared; students of all ages were under the control of one teacher in one room. Although they were publicly supplied at the local (town) level, they were not free, and instead were supported by tuition or "rate bills."


      The Story of the Creation of the Nation's First Hospital

      Pennsylvania Hospital was founded in 1751 by Dr. Thomas Bond and Benjamin Franklin "to care for the sick-poor and insane who were wandering the streets of Philadelphia." At the time, Philadelphia was the fastest growing city in the 13 colonies. In 1730, the population numbered 11,500 and had grown to 15,000 by 1750 (the city continued to grow and by 1776, its 40,000 residents made Philadelphia the second largest English-speaking city in the British Empire).


      July 24, 2013 at 5:19 pm |
  17. steve

    And the same debate plays itself out for the umpteenth time in the CNN comments section...

    July 24, 2013 at 4:38 pm |
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