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The faux religion of Steve Jobs
August 17th, 2013
09:00 AM ET

The faux religion of Steve Jobs

Opinion by Brett Robinson, Special to CNN

(CNN)— Forget the forbidden fruit logo and the cult of Apple jokes. The legacy of Steve Jobs is anything but religious.

Apple was conceived in the heady days of the counterculture movement. While Jobs and friend Steve Wozniak were busy hacking into AT&T’s long-distance phone lines from a Berkeley dorm room in the 1970s, the culture was awash in New Age experimentation and social unrest. Traditional institutions were under siege by idealistic youth rejecting what they viewed as mass-marketed delusions.

At the top of the hit list was organized religion. When Jobs and Wozniak got the phone hacking device to work, their first call was to the Vatican. They proceeded to hang up on the pope’s personal secretary before he could connect the call to the Holy Father. Jobs the iconoclast relished the prank.

Apple’s Garden of Eden logo is one of several religious parodies aimed at the establishment. A 2007 iPhone ad with the tagline “Touching is Believing” mocks the Biblical story of the Apostle Thomas, who needed to touch the wounds of Christ in order to believe in the Resurrection. Apparently, the iPhone apostles needed the same reassurance leading up to the launch of what came to be called the “Jesus phone.”

Jobs left the Protestant church as a young man and sought spiritual enlightenment in the East. At a pivotal moment in his career, Jobs’ moral compass led him to a Zen monastery in northern California, where he considered becoming a Buddhist monk rather than continuing with Apple. But his close friend and Zen priest Kobun Chino Otogawa told him he could do both.

Jobs embraced the challenge by combining the physics of computing with the metaphysics of Eastern spirituality. The minimalism and intuitive design of Apple products are material expressions of Jobs’ Zen ideals. When Edwin Land, the founder of Polaroid, told Jobs to remain at the intersection of technology and the humanities, Jobs knew he had landed at the nexus of a powerful cultural movement.

When a statue of Steve Jobs was erected in Budapest in 2011, it was one of many tributes to the demiurge of digital culture. But to truly immortalize a media technology hero like Jobs, a movie would need to be made.

The din of digital media has eclipsed the dignity of statues, and the screen has become a sacred means for commemorating cultural heroes. Lincoln, Gandhi and Christ have all had their day in the Hollywood sun.

It is fitting that the new movie about his life, "Jobs," edited on Apple computers and eventually distributed to millions of Apple devices, will proclaim the technological gospel fashioned by its creator.

The medium is the message after all.

But baked into Apple products is a troubling paradox. Like a technological Trojan horse, Apple products assail our senses with sumptuous visuals and rich acoustics while unleashing a bevy of addictive and narcissistic habits. The ‘i’ prefix on Apple devices is a constant reminder that personal technology is ultimately all about us.

In addition to his Zen Buddhist leanings, Jobs claimed that trying LSD was one of the most formative experiences of his life. One occasion sounds like a treatment for an iPod ad. After dropping acid, Jobs found himself in a wheat field and felt as though the crops were pulsating to a Bach symphony. It was a sublime experience for the young seeker who saw drugs as a gateway to expanding consciousness and thinking differently – a theme he would return to years later in Apple’s iconic “Think Different” campaign.

Altered perception has become a hallmark of personal technology. The “Music Every Day” ad for the iPhone 5 is a series of visual snippets of Apple users enjoying their music. The study hall, the dance hall and the city are all transformed by the presence of the musical device. Freed from the humdrum of everyday life by their personal soundtrack, many of the actors appear stoned as they enjoy the heightened pleasure of being plugged in.

The Apple religion is not a religion at all, but a celebration of the self through personalized pleasure.

Reflecting on religion later in life, Jobs told biographer Walter Isaacson that different religions were all just doors to the same house, “sometimes I think the house exists, and sometimes I don’t.”

If Jobs had actually spoken to the pope from that Berkeley dorm room years ago, he may have heard something akin to what Pope Leo XIII said in 1885, a century before Macintosh:  “To hold…that there is no difference in matters of religion between forms that are unlike each other, and even contrary to each other, most clearly leads…to the rejection of all religion. ... And this is the same thing as atheism, however it may differ from it in name.”

Steve Jobs did some amazing things, but he was not a prophet. And Apple is not a religion. In fact, it’s quite the opposite.

Brett T. Robinson is the author of Appletopia:Media Technology and the Religious Imagination of Steve Jobs . He is a Visiting Professor of Marketing in the Mendoza College of Business at the University of Notre Dame. 

The views expressed in this column belong to Brett Robinson.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Buddhism • Media • Meditation • Movies • Opinion • Technology

soundoff (974 Responses)
  1. SCDad

    At least Steve Jobs was real. Jesus, Allah, etc were fictional characters created by atheists to control ignorant people

    August 18, 2013 at 11:20 am |
    • us_1776

      Bingo ! We have a winner.

      .

      August 18, 2013 at 11:45 am |
    • mike

      are you a moron. there are confirmed historical records of jesus's existence in roman and palestinian records...get a brain

      August 18, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
      • A Dose of Reality

        Please provide these references. So far, no one has even come close to proving the existence of JeeBus. Please prove you are not the moron.

        August 18, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
    • A Dose of Reality

      Well said.....but lost on the Theists here. Too bad.

      August 18, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
  2. Prof

    Sadly, this article reveals more about the author than it does about Steve Jobs.

    August 18, 2013 at 11:16 am |
    • Andres

      I read with an open mind but found the author to be somewhat paranoid, with some sort of unspoken conspiracy narrative in the background. When I reached that edited quote which he states that no religion = atheism, the author lost all credibility. I know many spiritual, believers, that don't practice religions.

      Not sure what's the point of the article in the end. He went in different directions.

      August 18, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
  3. Jill

    Rainer Braendlein, don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently.

    So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril. Think about how you can stripe the sea.

    Regale the storm to those who (6) would thump the parrot with the armband. Corner the market on vestiges of the apparent closure but seek not the evidential circumstance. Therein you can find indignant mountains of pigs and apples. Descend eloquently as you debate the ceiling of your warning fulcrum. Vacate the corncob profusely and and don’t dote on the pancreas.

    Next up, control your wood. Have at the cat with your watch on the fore. Aft! Smarties (12)! Rome wasn’t kevetched in an autumn nightie. (42) See yourself for the turntable on the escalator. Really peruse the garage spider definitely again again with brown. Now we have an apparent congestion, so be it here. Just a moment is not a pod of beef for the ink well nor can it be (4) said that Karen was there in the millpond.

    Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously.

    And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

    August 18, 2013 at 10:55 am |
  4. Rainer Braendlein

    The modern media don't tell us any truth but contaminate us with lies, se-x and crime. This is valid also for Apple.

    Nearly the worst modern lie, pomoted by all media, is that it would be indifferent which religion someone accepts.

    Religious freedom was established through the promoters of Enlightenment, for instance Frederic the Great, King of Pruzzia. Yet, what was the background? The background was that the Roman Catholic Church had used religion as a smokescreen for her malice for many centuries. The RCC had hindered the progress of the whole mankind in an outrageous way. The promoters of Englightenment at first wanted to finish the evil rule of the RCC over the minds, souls and bodies of the people, and therefore they established religious freedom. The true Christian Church does not persecute people who have another doctrine but practizes love towards everybody up to the Judgement Day whereby love includes the telling of the truth about Jesus, and a harsher handling of heretics or heresiarchs. Frederic the Great himself was a Protestant, a mixture of Lutheran and Calvinist or better said, he favoured genuine Christianity. His politics of tolerance shows that he haid really understood Christianity. He did not persecute any sect or cult or heretical church in Pruzzia, not even the RCC which wanted to kill him. Frederic tolerated everybody in his country, no matter what he or she believed.

    Religious freedom does not mean irreligion. Maybe today Frederic the Great would promote a law like: Restoration of the appreciation of the New Testament. Frederic the Great certainly could not imagine that there would ever be a time when the New Testament would be diminished like today. The credibility of the New Testament is no matter of faith or disbelief but of sanity and reason. If someone investigates honestly and objectively the history of the emergence of the New Testament, he has to admit that it is indeed a divine scripture worthy to be trusted completely.

    August 18, 2013 at 10:52 am |
    • Jill

      Rainer Braendlein, don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently.

      So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril. Think about how you can stripe the sea.

      Regale the storm to those who (6) would thump the parrot with the armband. Corner the market on vestiges of the apparent closure but seek not the evidential circumstance. Therein you can find indignant mountains of pigs and apples. Descend eloquently as you debate the ceiling of your warning fulcrum. Vacate the corncob profusely and and don’t dote on the pancreas.

      Next up, control your wood. Have at the cat with your watch on the fore. Aft! Smarties (12)! Rome wasn’t kevetched in an autumn nightie. (42) See yourself for the turntable on the escalator. Really peruse the garage spider definitely again again with brown. Now we have an apparent congestion, so be it here. Just a moment is not a pod of beef for the ink well nor can it be (4) said that Karen was there in the millpond.

      Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously.

      And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

      August 18, 2013 at 10:55 am |
      • Micah

        Jill, I just wanted to say that was an incredible and erotic mad lib, You should get paid for those. Love the flow and creativity. So, are you east coast or west coast, or some other far away place??? Where can you be found, and when can we meet???

        August 18, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
  5. mklsgl

    Jobs is not a prophet and Apple is not a religion. Thanks, Mr. Brett Robinson, for that awe-inspiring "No Duh!"

    August 18, 2013 at 10:45 am |
    • Thomas

      I'm really glad you are already enlightened, but tell the tens of millions that worship at the Apple Temple.

      August 18, 2013 at 10:59 am |
      • skytag

        Someone should tell you there is no such temple and no such people. Apple has some very loyal customers who love their products. So what? Somehow it's a bad thing to make products their customers love and market them well?

        August 18, 2013 at 11:29 am |
  6. SDFHDFGHERTYERTYWERTWETR

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    August 18, 2013 at 10:44 am |
  7. master ying

    Meditative buddhists often attempt to refrain from using the word I. The point is to eliminate the ego to the point that your personal perceptions "die". Its just so off. The iSin, the iEnlighten, and the iOhm products are just around the corner while executives will be excited to know about their new product iExploit.

    August 18, 2013 at 10:41 am |
    • Colin

      YouSuck.

      August 18, 2013 at 10:44 am |
  8. the dude

    treblemaker: the mind is the devil's playground? perhaps – for those of weak will & hubris. one of the great masters of the mind was also a humble spirit, & believed any religion w/out science is sham, as he believed science w/out religion is lame. one day, believers will awaken to that essential awareness that belief/faith is not knowledge, quite the contrary; & perhaps then, they will cease the attempt to employ reason to refute it. when God enters thru the mind, it is called madness. wake up, the world is turning. peace brother. 🙂

    August 18, 2013 at 10:36 am |
  9. treblemaker

    Self-importance has been the mantra of the boomer generation, ever since the '60's. All Apple did was to exploit that desire, like any other business would do, it's just they did it more successfully than any other business. Big deal! Do we not have the free will choice not to buy what they sell? This article is a waste of space in the religion blog. Put it in the money blog where it belongs.

    As for atheists, they can have their claims of superior intelligence over the believers. The mind is the devil's playground, so have fun as you try to climb out of the maze of your brain from which there is no exit. You can't think your way to a belief in God-He only enters into your life through a changed and humble heart. When God enters through the mind, it's called "divine intervention".

    August 18, 2013 at 10:24 am |
    • Big Woofer

      Pssst: re "As for atheists, they can have their claims of superior intelligence over the believers. " The atheists are correct about that. And you are way off on the low end of the curve.

      Hey, when is your mass killer sky fairy's next humanity-destroying flood coming?

      August 18, 2013 at 10:43 am |
      • Bob Bales

        Atheists would have you believe that their statements, such as this one, are based on fact. In reality, they are atheists' opinions, never having been shown to be correct.

        Since you have come up with the mass-killing sky fairy, he is yours. Don't try to foist him off on anyone else.

        August 18, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
        • Andrew

          It is said that we atheists take what is written in the bible and quran and torah more seriously than religious people. Biblically ironic.

          August 18, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
        • skytag

          I guess you never heard the story of Noah's ark.

          August 18, 2013 at 1:35 pm |
        • Bob Bales

          Andrew: It may be said, but it is not true.

          Skytag: I certainly have.

          August 18, 2013 at 2:10 pm |
    • Bob

      You're right. A god has no place in a mind.

      August 18, 2013 at 10:47 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      When God enters through the mind, it's called "delusion".

      **fixed**

      August 18, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
    • skytag

      "You can't think your way to a belief in God"

      You're right, you have be brainwashed or willing to delude yourself. As it turns out, a lot of people prefer believing in a comforting fantasy than to accepting a harsh reality.

      August 18, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
      • Bob Bales

        A lot of people believe the comforting fantasy that you must be deluded or brainwashed to believe in God.

        Atheists cannot show that what they refer to as 'reality' actually is.

        August 18, 2013 at 2:19 pm |
        • the dude

          and a theist can Bob? Please! wake up – there are neither proofs nor definitions of reality, only what one believes is reality. perhaps a bit of philosophy before you speak nonsense – at least you'd be spewing informed nonsense. peace brother :).

          August 18, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          Theists cannot show that what they refer to as 'reality' actually is. Nor can they provide any evidence for a god.

          August 18, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
    • skytag

      Religions teach all that mind vs heart crap because their authors know what they teach would never stand up to rational scrutiny, but the "heart," by which you mean feelings and emotions, can be easily manipulated to accept anything by a good speaker, the right music, and a good story.

      August 18, 2013 at 1:32 pm |
      • Bob Bales

        Christianity has stood up to rantional scrutiny for 2,000 years.

        August 18, 2013 at 2:20 pm |
        • the dude

          no, it has ignored reason for 2k years. please try a bit more to grasp what reasoning is, & how belief is the very opposite of knowledge. peace brother 🙂

          August 18, 2013 at 3:14 pm |
        • Bob Bales

          Christianity has never ignored reason. From the very first it has been based on reason. Repeatedly in the Bible, we are told to use our knowledge and reason.

          Belief is not the opposite of reason. It is choosing to go with what the evidence indicates, in the absence of absolute proof.

          August 18, 2013 at 3:28 pm |
        • Richard Cranium

          Bob B
          How utterly ironic. You siad "Belief is not the opposite of reason. It is choosing to go with what the evidence indicates, in the absence of absolute proof."

          Choosing to jump to ANY conlusion in the absense of proof, is the very definition of unreasonable, and illogical.
          Faith is the ability to ignore facts, and jump to an unjustifyable conclusion, ignoring logic and reason.

          August 18, 2013 at 3:32 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          When you say "Christianity has stood up to rantional scrutiny for 2,000 years." I presume you mean Christianity has resisted rantional scrutiny for 2,000 years.
          Look up Giordano Bruno, Galileo, heliocentrism, and the Scopes Trial for starters.

          August 18, 2013 at 4:13 pm |
        • Bob Bales

          Richard Cranium: All of us must make decisions, or conclusions, every day, in the absence of proof. Faith does not ignore logic and reason, it makes use of logic and reason. At least, the faith of Christians does.

          August 18, 2013 at 8:14 pm |
        • Bob Bales

          In Santa we trust: Why would you presume I meant the opposite of what I said?

          August 18, 2013 at 8:18 pm |
        • Ed

          Bob Bales, the Christian faith is pretty much reliant on discarding logic and reason. Nice try, though.

          August 18, 2013 at 8:31 pm |
      • Bob Bales

        Ed: It is only the Christian faith as it is portrayed by atheists that is based on discarding logic and reason. The actual Christian faith is based solidly on logic and reason.

        August 18, 2013 at 8:37 pm |
  10. SDFHDFGHERTYERTYWERTWETR

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    August 18, 2013 at 10:17 am |
  11. James Works

    "Bach symphony?" Must have been composed by one of the sons of J. S. Bach!

    August 18, 2013 at 10:15 am |
    • Cesar V-C

      You're correct. Joseph Haydn is the Father of the Symphony who was well after Johann Sebastian Bach's time. Other symphonies were written by Mozart, Beethoven, etc. The author meant to say "cantata," "chorale," "concert," etc.

      August 18, 2013 at 10:50 am |
  12. sbrunetti2013

    "And Apple is not a religion" You will have a problem convincing the millions of faithful who worship at Apple stores of that.

    August 18, 2013 at 10:12 am |
    • midwest rail

      Judging from the millions of contemporary Christian women who worship at Macy's, perhaps they should be a tax free enterprise as well.

      August 18, 2013 at 10:16 am |
  13. SDFHDFGHERTYERTY

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    MILLIONS OF BRAINS IN SUPER MARKETS.

    HOW TO FASTES GROW, IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!.

    WITH NANO TECNOLOGY.

    HOW MANY TIME IN LESS THAN 1 MONTH.

    DO YOU WANTO TO EAT IT.

    WHAT DO YOU HAVE IN YOUR BRAIN?.

    http://www.mudpgi.blog.com

    INVENTION WITH NANO COPUTER IN LESS THAN 1 MONTH.

    WE WRITE IN THE CNN PAGE AND OTHER HUMAN RACE CASE ARE DOING DENOUNCES?.

    WHY DOES EXIST THIS VIOLATIONS.

    SATELITAL SURVILLANCE MENTAL TORTURE ELECTRONIC HARASSMENT.
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    August 18, 2013 at 10:11 am |
  14. SDFHDFGH

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    WITH NANO TECNOLOGY.

    HOW MANY TIME IN LESS THAN 1 MONTH.

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    August 18, 2013 at 10:10 am |
  15. Shawn Clark

    That quote at the end is total BS. The rejection of all religion is most certainty NOT atheism. Whatever is universally true must include anything and everything that exists. Religion is about belief, not facts. There ARE spiritual facts to be found outside of religion.

    August 18, 2013 at 9:56 am |
    • Live4Him

      @Shawn Clark : Religion is about belief, not facts.

      Belief is based upon limited facts, not the absence of facts. So, atheism is based upon it's own set of limited facts – just like every other religion.

      August 18, 2013 at 10:18 am |
      • Richard Cranium

        Lie4Him you said "atheism is based upon it's own set of limited facts"

        Incorrect. Atheists do not believe in your god, or any gods. It is based on the fact that the hypothesis that any gods have ever existed, has absolutley no evidence to support it. We are all atheists when we are born, and have to be taught beliefs in gods or religions

        August 18, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
        • Bob Bales

          Atheism is not based on the fact that their is no evidence (since there is no such fact), but only on the atheists' opinion that there is no evidence.

          August 18, 2013 at 2:26 pm |
        • Richard Cranium

          Wrong Bob
          There is no verifiable evidence whatsoever of any of the gods that men have created and worshipped. On the other hand, there is a great deal of proof that the bible is false, making the "word of god" false" indicating that the christians definition of what a god is, also false.

          Hearsay is not evidence. Unverifiable "witness" tesimony is not verifiable evidence.
          No proof one way or the other, so why have you chosen your one god, when there are so many others to choose from, how do you know which is right. You clearly cannot trust the bible since it is false, so why choose any. and if you do choose one, why not the others, why not ALL of the others?

          August 18, 2013 at 3:29 pm |
        • Bob Bales

          Richard: Countless people who have examined the subject have reached the opposite conclusion from yours. You cannot show that your conclusion is more correct.

          There is no evidence or proof that the Bible is false.

          August 18, 2013 at 8:51 pm |
  16. MargoD

    I know something and someone that atheists don't. That enrages them. As far as Jobs goes, what would it profit a man if he gained he whole world and lost his own soul?

    August 18, 2013 at 9:23 am |
    • truthprevails1

      Who would that be? Jobs, like every other human on this planet, does not have a soul. Soul's don't exist!

      August 18, 2013 at 9:28 am |
    • John Sharp

      MargoD, let me tell you
      You know nothing Atheist's don't know. We are just not stupid to believe the crap you do.

      because we are intelligent

      August 18, 2013 at 9:57 am |
    • Bob Bales

      John Sharp: You choose not to believe in something, although you don't know it is false. Fine. That's your choice. But why call someone 'stupid' because thay don't share your opinion?

      August 18, 2013 at 2:30 pm |
  17. lol?? Pithiest, YES!!

    Jobs, "He that hath earbuds let him hear, bud!"

    August 18, 2013 at 8:36 am |
  18. Vic

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    August 18, 2013 at 8:33 am |
    • Bob

      Better video than Vic's spam:
      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo&w=640&h=360]

      August 18, 2013 at 10:02 am |
    • tallulah13

      More christian blood-lust, courtesy of Vic. Those christians really, really love the fact that an innocent man was tortured to death so that they don't have to be responsible for their own actions.

      August 18, 2013 at 1:32 pm |
  19. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things.

    August 18, 2013 at 5:44 am |
    • Mirosal

      Humans are the ONLY life form on this planet who practice any sort of worship to deities. Since nothing else has the ability to think and reason, why is it unhealthy for them? Be specific. And explain, in detail, how Atheism is unhealthy for children.

      August 18, 2013 at 6:33 am |
      • Tom

        That's easy – it is unhealthy for children (and adults) because the fanatics will stone you or burn you alive if you don't believe the same things they do – clearly unhealthy things to happen to you.

        August 18, 2013 at 9:41 am |
    • Colin

      Atheists have brutally tortured and murdered more innocent people in the last 100 years than were killed in all previous centuries. We assume that you consider mass murder unhealthy for human beings? For the record all creation worships it's creator except for a few ne'er do well humans who try to duck their moral obligations by pretending that God isn't there.

      August 18, 2013 at 8:20 am |
      • Mirosal

        Tell us how canines, felines, bovines, porcines, aquatic creatures, and plant life worship this so-called "creator".

        August 18, 2013 at 8:24 am |
        • Colin

          They all creation remain in their own places after their own kinds in a natural, God given order. Many throughout history have recognized the Holy bond between the created and the creator. The only species created that is allowed to disavow God is man and it remains a mystery as to why a person would want to do that.

          August 18, 2013 at 8:54 am |
        • lol?? Pithiest, YES!!

          Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

          They do the will of he Father which is acceptable worship??

          Acceptable worship from humanoids:

          Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.
          Is that belting out a tune or a chant on Sunday mornings??

          August 18, 2013 at 9:02 am |
        • Bob

          Colin, which god? Humans have invented thousands of them, and their characteristics are conflicting. Why should we believe your particular god story, particularly when your god is described in your silly mythbook as such a murderous, bigoted, human rights abusing jerk?

          Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
          Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
          http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

          August 18, 2013 at 10:08 am |
        • lol?? Pithiest, YES!!

          Your choice, bob.

          August 18, 2013 at 10:23 am |
      • ironman59

        I believe the jewish people would disagree with your idea that atheism killed 6 million of them under hitler. I believe that the Islamic extremists would disagree with you that they do their work in the name of atheism.

        Simple fact is that the author clearly has issues with his own beliefs if he thinks that apple is a threat to religion. Then again with technology comes the ability to learn and think faster. Knowledge is what religion truly fears because with knowledge comes the understanding that religion is nothing more than a scam played on the weak minded. As for you, the problem you have is simply being clueless.

        August 18, 2013 at 9:50 am |
        • Vic

          The truth of the matter is an extreme form of Socialism, that is the Nazi party, did!

          The Nazi party formed and operated based on an extreme form of Socialism and NOT Christianity!

          August 18, 2013 at 9:56 am |
        • Vic

          The truth of the matter is an extreme form of Socialism, that is the Nazi party, did!

          The Nazi party formed and operated under the premise of an extreme form of Socialism and NOT Christianity!

          August 18, 2013 at 9:57 am |
        • youthanon

          If you think religion caused the holocaust, you are either simply saying something to bolster your point, or you are ignorant. You should read Mein Kampf to understand Hitler's motivation–both for his hatred as well as his plan for society.

          And it's true: more violence was perpetrated during the 20th century under the banner of "rational" ideologies than in every religiously-motivated war before it.

          August 18, 2013 at 10:09 am |
        • Bob

          Vic, your god is presented in the bible as having murdered whole civilizations, and as having issued threats of torture and instructions to kill. Why would you worship such a murderous, human rights abusing jerk?

          Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
          Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
          http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

          August 18, 2013 at 10:11 am |
        • Steve

          One other ideaology being wrong, does not make Christianity right.

          August 18, 2013 at 10:14 am |
        • lol?? Pithiest, YES!!

          All socialism is antichrist because it's antipatriarchal. Inheritance is foreign to the students at the commons. Spreads like mold to survive.

          August 18, 2013 at 10:27 am |
        • Bob Bales

          Bob: Actually, nowhere in the Bible is God portrayed as a murderous, human-rights abusing jerk.

          August 18, 2013 at 2:36 pm |
      • Carruje

        Wow Colin, I doubt if keeping score of murders does your argument much credit. Even if one assumes that atheists are responsible for mass murders during the 20th Century, that hardly excuses murders committed on behalf of religion. I would suggest that the ploy of diverting attention from this fact is so transparent that it actually calls attention to atrocities committed in the name of religion.

        Ultimately your argument resorts to tribalism; a "my side is better than your side" type of argument and relies on moral relativism; it's okay when my tribe does these horrible things. This is not a particularly impressive argument to make.

        August 18, 2013 at 12:20 pm |
  20. atomD21

    I never really bought into the Apple hype, so I guess I don't see what the point of this article is... Of course our obsession with personal tech devices is narcissism. Most of what we do anymore is. But was there really a need to point out that Steve Jobs wasn't a religious figure or that Apple isn't a religious thing? I suppose we now need an expose on how Microsoft and Windows has very little to do with the buffalo population because I think they may be connected...

    August 18, 2013 at 2:09 am |
    • Mark from Middle River

      I never really bought into the Apple hype, so I guess I don't see what the point of this article is...

      Few of us can afford to buy into the Apple hype. I had a iMac clamshell and that thing was indestructable.

      August 18, 2013 at 3:10 am |
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