home
RSS
August 18th, 2013
07:49 PM ET

Debating why millenials are leaving the church

(CNN)–Rachel Evans and Hemant Mehta joined CNN's Brianna Keilar and Martin Savidge to speak about millenials losing their religion.

They were debating Evan's piece from the Belief Blog looking at why millenials are leaving the church and Mehta's response suggesting millenials are leaving the church to try atheism.

Tell us what you think.  Join the conversation in the comments.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Atheism • Belief

soundoff (1,388 Responses)
  1. Haha

    I don't think that Millennials are "leaving the church to become Atheist." I think it's more just like they decide that they "don't beleive in nuthin" and poof–they're atheists.

    August 19, 2013 at 12:24 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Being atheist needn't be a reason to leave the Church. If you are in the Church now, it is not out of the question that your priest is atheist. Even if he is not, chances are good that he has an understanding of God very unlike that of mainstream believers.

      August 19, 2013 at 2:44 am |
    • Ken

      I think it usually goes the other way. People learn enough about their religion to realize that God most likely doesn't actually exist. Once they stop believing that God does exist that defines them as atheists and, as atheists, many choose to leave whatever churches they were attending because they see it as being pointless, or even harmful.

      August 19, 2013 at 9:43 am |
      • lngtrmthnkr

        Society is in the midst of a rapid change to the left as far as milenials go .As we become more liberal and tolerant, people are no longer served by rigid dogma that goes back to the dark ages.The church is no longer relivant to the realities of the present.So why would you want to listen to a catholic preist tell you how evil your gay son or daughter is? You would leave and not go back.

        August 19, 2013 at 10:22 am |
        • Brother Maynard

          "So why would you want to listen to a catholic preist tell you how evil your gay son or daughter is? "
          Your son/ daughter doesn't even have to be gay for a priest to tell the parent he/ she is evil.
          When my brother was in college, he confessed to my mom that he stopped going to mas s. My mom went to our local priest and asked how to handle this situation. The priest said that if my brother did not return to the Church that she should dis-own him. Seriously! At that point my mom, thankfully, said "You're crazy, I'm not going to do that".

          August 19, 2013 at 10:31 am |
        • JimK57

          I agree, I think people are starting realize that god is within them and they do not need to go anywhere. All of the enightened teachers (jesus, krisha, ect..) have said the same thing and people are begining to see that all faiths are alike.

          August 19, 2013 at 10:41 am |
        • Richard Cranium

          people are not starting to realize god is in them, that is just trading one delusion for another. It is the information age showing people that there are many other possibilities as far as the answers to questions they have, that the whole god hypothesis has nothing to back it up, and if there is a god, it certainly is not that which is described in the bible.

          August 19, 2013 at 10:44 am |
        • JimK57

          Richard Cranium you are exaclty right, people are realizing that god is not like pictured in the bible. Spirituality is on the rise while organized religion is trending down.

          August 19, 2013 at 10:50 am |
        • Richard Cranium

          Jimk57
          One of the biggest problems is the definition of god. My definition would include a sentience, and that is the part that is most difficult to accept. I rather think of the essence of life, which is a type of energy we also have not defined. I have heard many different versions of god, nature, life energy, sprituality, and it just seems that they can be or are all aspects of the same thing. No definition seems sufficient until we know more, so pursuing a faulty definition seems rather presumptive. Worshipping it just makes no sense. You may as well worship the earth or the sun, two things that we truly know are supporting our lives, can prove they exist and we all came from.

          Just to comprehend that every molecule, every atom in your body has been recycled by the universe and unknown number of times, that the water you drink is billions of years old, as are the atoms that make you up, but the energy that is life, does it conform to the known laws of energy, does it only exist in our perceived dimensions, can that energy remain coherent in the form of sentience, without the corporeal?

          Many beliefs, many hypothesis, many theories. Choosing one to follow does not make logical sense. Trying to learn all we can is the only noble pursuit.

          August 19, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
        • JimK57

          Richard Cranium, I agree.

          August 19, 2013 at 12:14 pm |
    • mzh

      I think the tranquality in inner part (referring to the heart not the physical one) is missing... one needs to work on to win the heart then external will submit with the inner part... like for marriage we always look for inner beauty and not the external OR both but not only external beauty but inner part is missing...

      So these folks who are leaving the Church is because I think that they are looking for the truth as they are being taught God as human form and at the same time in other form, talking to oneself and making it like talking to the holy spirit and so on...

      And then when they see whats going on in the Muslim world, they do not feel interest to know anything what is in there but they judge from external...

      So then only way is open – being part the community who do not believe in any Power or Creator and believe more in the technology but they forget that the technology did not come out of no where but it come from up (I am referring to every single thing that we see or use came from ground and ground is being fertile by the rain comes from up) or the individual is being well taken care meaning free from sickness, illness either mantally or physically and so on...

      August 19, 2013 at 11:23 am |
      • Ed

        mzh, how many infidels have you killed today. to help your tranquil state along? That is what your holy book demands of you.

        August 19, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
    • Jim

      Save Christian America!!!!

      saveusa (dot) us

      September 18, 2013 at 6:38 pm |
  2. Blessed are the Cheesemakers

    Churches no longer have as much control over religious information.

    The internet is where dogma comes to die.

    August 18, 2013 at 11:32 pm |
    • Athy

      Sort of "death by exposure" isn't it? Wonderful!

      August 18, 2013 at 11:48 pm |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        Or 'death by a thousand cuts'...lol

        August 19, 2013 at 12:03 am |
  3. Bootyfunk

    why are millenials leaving the church?
    they're realizing the bible is a book of irrelevant fairy tales.
    the bible has unicorns, dragons, satyrs and c.ockatrice in it. there's a talking snake and a talking donkey (like in Shrek!) a guy lives in the belly of a whale for 3 days (like in Pinocchio!)
    the bible supports slavery throughout. there are rules for which nations you can take slaves from, how much to pay for slaves of different races, how to beat your slaves, even how to sell your own daughter into slavery.
    the bible promotes hatred masked as love and divine justice. women are subservient to men, g.ays are to be put to death, etc.
    christianity is a doomsday cult that teaches followers to turn off their brains and obey.

    the youth have the internet at their fingertips to fact-check the religious b.u.l.l.s.h.i.t their parents and religious leaders feed them.

    modern ethics > biblical morals

    August 18, 2013 at 11:14 pm |
    • mzh

      This is not something new that human does mocks about religion, prophets, books... its been there since the beginning of human creation... few examples:

      1. Time of Noah – few of his community believed in him, his own son and wife did not believe in him
      2. Time of Abraham – his father did not believe in him
      3. Time of Lot – the entire community except his daughters mocked on him
      4. Children of Israel – they saw 9 miracles in their own eyes and as soon as they crossed the river they starting mocking Moses...
      5. Time of Solomon – people mocked on him
      6. Jesus – they even tried to kill him by pushing from the up hill and plot a lot worse and they were his own family as he was from Jew
      7. Muhammad – mocked him, drove away from his birth place, and did anything they could to harm him

      The list could go on and on...

      If people can mock after seeing the miracles in their own eyes then what can we expect from people now... and being in the time of technology make people to think invincible and they do not think that they would die one day as our fathers died...

      Peace!!!

      August 19, 2013 at 12:10 am |
      • Roger that

        If you gave hundreds of examples, it wouldn't matter. They are all from the same book and not convincing.

        August 19, 2013 at 12:30 am |
      • skytag

        "If people can mock after seeing the miracles in their own eyes then what can we expect from people now"

        Apparently you haven't considered the possibility that none of that really happened. Not the miracles, not the people seeing them, none of it. All myths and fairytales.

        "and being in the time of technology make people to think invincible and they do not think that they would die one day as our fathers died"

        No one believes this. Reality is obviously not your happy place.

        August 19, 2013 at 1:29 am |
      • Sara

        mzh, You are just telling us that one religious tradition has written into its own propaganda stories that indicate that mocking it is bad. Wow...stunning surprise.

        August 19, 2013 at 8:01 am |
        • mzh

          Dear Sara:

          If you study the history either from Jews, Christian or Muslim background, you will find that those prophets/messangers were not only being mocked but there were called as liar, magicial, madman, crazy and many more...

          It is true that they are history for our time... and there was no technologies that they could use to capture for next generation like the way we have in our time and who knows what would come after us... so its upto us whether to believe or to reject...

          I am so blessed and privilaged to be in this part of the world... and I thank Almgihty for that and also US imigration policy as we all Americans are migrated here from somewhere...

          Peace and have a great day...

          August 19, 2013 at 9:20 am |
        • Kate

          Again we have mzh claiming "peace" while promoting his murderous religion that demands that its followers murder nonbelievers. mzh, please stop your dishonest posts about your religion of violence.

          August 19, 2013 at 10:47 am |
        • ZuluXray

          @MZH....."If you study the history either from Jews, Christian or Muslim background, you will find that those prophets/messangers were not only being mocked but there were called as liar, magicial, madman, crazy and many more"

          And rightly so!!!!

          August 19, 2013 at 12:52 pm |
      • Ken

        Is that like mocking, and even being skeptical after seeing copies of a man's birth certificate with their own eyes?

        August 19, 2013 at 9:47 am |
    • lngtrmthnkr

      That is why there are so many different religions ,because people are different and want different things from their church.Some are at a higher level of spirituality and want a church that addresses that.

      August 19, 2013 at 10:28 am |
  4. Kate

    Now lets look at some other violence demanded of mzh in his mythbook:

    It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. – 8:67

    Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. – 2:191

    Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. – Sura 2:193 and 8:39

    Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. – 2:216
    (different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

    ..... martyrs.... Enter heaven – Surah 3:140-43

    But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. – 4:89

    O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. – 5:54

    Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme – 8:39

    O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. – 8:65

    Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. – 9:2-3

    When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. – 9:5

    Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. – 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

    August 18, 2013 at 10:48 pm |
    • mzh

      Dear Kate:

      Let me ask you something...

      Would you go to a dentist and instruct the dentist to perform what is needed? I think the answer is obvious NO... or would you go to a physicist when you have a problem with your car? so you need to know things that you do not know from the people who knows it... like you go to school and you learn from the teacher and the at the end of the course you are ready for the exam... So why not when it comes to know something about Islam and you do not go to the one who has knowledge of Islam and rather you keep yourself in dark and start misjudge...

      August 18, 2013 at 11:15 pm |
      • Cpt. Obvious

        Oh please. If you had good reasons for why those stupid and hateful verses are in your holy book, you'd have swept the floor with Kate.

        You lose.

        August 18, 2013 at 11:20 pm |
        • mzh

          I do not anticipate that you would be convinced... 🙂

          August 18, 2013 at 11:27 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          But I did, however, anticipate your red herring. Nice fallacy.

          August 18, 2013 at 11:30 pm |
        • Kate

          Thanks, Cpt. And mzh, re would I go to a physicist for my car, well, actually, I know several physicists who happen to also be particularly skilled at car repair. But do look up red herring fallacy. Your logic fails you in your latest attempt to sell us on your religion of violence.

          August 19, 2013 at 10:49 am |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        mzh,

        I don't need to go to an expert in astrology to know horoscopes are bunk.

        August 18, 2013 at 11:35 pm |
        • mzh

          I am glad to know that you are one of the smart ones.... 🙂

          August 18, 2013 at 11:50 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          You are claiming knowledge you don't have. Even if you believe, it is still dishonest.

          August 19, 2013 at 12:00 am |
      • HotAirAce

        Dentists and doctors act, to the greatest extent, on facts, and their factual training clearly exceeds that of non-medically trained reasons. Religious shamans and mentally ill delusional believers rarely deal in facts, and are no better than lay persons in proving even the most basic foundations of their beliefs 'cause they don't have any objective, factual, independent or verifiable evidence to back up said beliefs.

        August 19, 2013 at 1:41 am |
      • Sara

        mzh, If you wanted to learn about the activities of the mafia would you walk up to a mob pawn and ask for a detailed listing and description of morals and motivations or go to the files of the law enforcement agencies of media who had investigated these groups for years? Your premise, and that of all those who say "If you want to know about Christianity (or X religion) ask a Christian" is the same: that members and texts within the religion are knowledgable, unbiased and consistent. There is room for asking members and leaders, but outside sources also have an objectivity you can't get from members of an organization.

        August 19, 2013 at 8:25 am |
    • mzh

      You know, one can wake someone up if that person is really sleeping but if someone is pretending to be sleeping, no one can wake him up...

      Peace...

      August 18, 2013 at 11:18 pm |
      • Thinker...

        Can too! A fire extinguisher full of ice water works wonders. Really hard to pretend sleep when you are getting hosed with ice water (from personal experience).

        August 19, 2013 at 9:33 am |
      • Ken

        Your analogy works, if the person pretending to sleep is a believer pretending not to see the reasons for not believing in God.

        August 19, 2013 at 9:50 am |
    • mzh

      The situation behind revealing these verses you keep quoting were different...

      August 18, 2013 at 11:22 pm |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        "If a verse furthers the cause, it is to be taken literally. If a bible verse is detrimental to the cause, it is either: taken out of context; is allegorical; refers to another verse somewhere else; is an ancient cultural anomaly; is a translation or copyist's error; means something other than what it actually says; Is a mystery of god or not discernible by humans; or is just plain magic."

        August 18, 2013 at 11:39 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Could we call that an algorithm? I wonder if we could make a "Christian bot" that would fool most people. Maybe you could have several running at different "Poe" factors?

          August 18, 2013 at 11:43 pm |
    • hharri

      you think that is violence?

      nothing, NOTHING, WILL COMPARE TO THAT WHICH HAS BEEN PREDICTED FOR THE END OF TIME

      see "sinners in the hands of an angry god"

      this generation has no idea.

      August 18, 2013 at 11:46 pm |
      • Athy

        No, we certainly don't. Thankfully, we're not totally brainwashed. Apparently you are. Pity.

        August 18, 2013 at 11:51 pm |
        • mzh

          In your opinion you are brainwashed as well... as you do not see or reject or deny outside of the your point of view... its like you blocked your vision from see the light and you blocked your hearing from hear the truth and you are blocking you ability to speak from telling the truth...

          August 19, 2013 at 12:16 am |
        • Athy

          Nope, sorry.

          August 19, 2013 at 12:35 am |
      • Lateralus

        Oh so now it's this generation?
        Ever since the time of Jesus and including him, people have been preaching that the end will come in their generation. Guess what? Didn't happen and won't happen.
        Live your life in fear if you want and waste the only time you have left being frightened. I for one will not live in fear of a big bad boogie monster who is going to punish me after he supposedly made me this way.
        You need to have a drink my friend.

        August 21, 2013 at 11:49 am |
  5. mzh

    O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife [Hawwa (Eve)], and from them both He created many men and women and fear Allah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely, Allah is Ever an All-Watcher over you. – Al Quran – Chapter 4:1

    He created you (all) from a single person (Adam); then made from him his wife [Hawwa' (Eve)]. And He has sent down for you of cattle eight pairs (of the sheep, two, male and female; of the goats, two, male and female; of the oxen, two, male and female; and of the camels, two, male and female). He creates you in the wombs of your mothers, creation after creation in three veils of darkness, such is Allah your Lord. His is the kingdom, La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He). How then are you turned away? – 39:6

    He, it is Who has created you (Adam) from dust, then from a Nutfah [mixed semen drops of male and female discharge (i.e. Adam's offspring)] then from a clot (a piece of coagulated blood), then brings you forth as children, then (makes you grow) to reach the age of full strength, and afterwards to be old (men and women), though some among you die before, and that you reach an appointed term, in order that you may understand. 40:67

    When harm touches man, he calls to Us (for help), then when We have (rescued him from that harm and) changed it into a favor from Us, he says: "Only because of knowledge (that I possess) I obtained it." Nay, it is only a trial, but most of them know not! – 39:49

    And those who kept their duty to their Lord will be led to Paradise in groups, till, when they reach it, and its gates will be opened (before their arrival for their reception) and its keepers will say: Salamun 'Alaikum (peace be upon you)! You have done well, so enter here to abide therein." – 39:73

    And they will say: "All the praises and thanks be to Allah Who has fulfilled His Promise to us and has made us inherit (this) land. We can dwell in Paradise where we will; how excellent a reward for the (pious good) workers!" – 39:74

    Peace!!!

    August 18, 2013 at 10:43 pm |
    • Kate

      ow lets look at some other violence demanded of mzh in his mythbook:

      It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. – 8:67

      Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. – 2:191

      Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. – Sura 2:193 and 8:39

      Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. – 2:216
      (different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

      ..... martyrs.... Enter heaven – Surah 3:140-43

      But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. – 4:89

      O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. – 5:54

      Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme – 8:39

      O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. – 8:65

      Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. – 9:2-3

      When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. – 9:5

      Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. – 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

      mzh, you are a lying, deceptive con artist. Be gone!

      August 18, 2013 at 10:48 pm |
    • skytag

      You look like you're trying to cast spells on us.

      August 18, 2013 at 10:52 pm |
    • mzh

      If you do not like it, then do not take it... there is no compulsion in it... its pretty simple...

      Peace...

      August 18, 2013 at 11:14 pm |
      • Lateralus

        Really? No compulsion?
        What is the penalty for apostasy in the quran?

        August 21, 2013 at 11:55 am |
    • Ed

      There is compulsion when you pressure us with your sales pitches with your incessant and frequent posts about your evil religion. Turn it down, or even better, turn it off. Your salutations of "peace" are not credible either; somewhat like crocodile tears.

      August 19, 2013 at 11:31 am |
  6. Brampt

    The majority of churches provide entertainment, rather the Bible education..

    August 18, 2013 at 10:39 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      I must admit that I'm grateful for that. The bible is an evil, nasty book with an evil, nasty god!

      August 18, 2013 at 10:43 pm |
      • Brampt

        Does this sound like an evil God?

        14 “‘You must not call down evil upon a deaf man, and before a blind man you must not put an obstacle;+ and you must be in fear of your God.+ I am Jehovah.
        15 “‘YOU people must not do injustice in the judgment. You must not treat the lowly with partiality,+ and you must not prefer the person of a great one.+ With justice you should judge your associate.
        16 “‘You must not go around among your people for the sake of slandering.+ You must not stand up against your fellow’s blood.+ I am Jehovah.
        17 “‘You must not hate your brother in your heart.+ You should by all means reprove your associate,+ that you may not bear sin along with him.
        18 “‘You must not take vengeance+ nor have a grudge against the sons of your people;+ and you must love your fellow as yourself.+ I am Jehovah.

        August 18, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
        • Bob

          Brampt, try this on, from the Christian book of nasty, both foul testaments:

          Numbers 31:17-18
          17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
          18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

          Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

          Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

          Leviticus 25
          44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
          45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
          46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

          Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

          Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

          And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

          So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

          Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
          Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
          http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

          August 18, 2013 at 10:51 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          No, cherrypicker, it's the rest of the bible. Why didn't you quote the scriptures about owning slaves and not beating them so that they die within the first few days at least (because that would be wrong). Why didn't you quote scriptures about god commanding slaughter of whole nations? Why didn't you quote scripture about god torturing people forever and ever even though he commands that we "love our enemies?" Why didn't you quote scriptures like that?

          For the bible believer, any excuse will do.

          August 18, 2013 at 10:53 pm |
        • Brampt

          Bob – the Majority of the OT does not apply for our days.
          Colossians 3:16 "Therefore let no man judge+ YOU in eating and drinking+ or in respect of a festival+ or of an observance of the new moon+ or of a sabbath;*+ 17 for those things are a shadow+ of the things to come, but the reality*+ belongs to the Christ.

          August 18, 2013 at 10:58 pm |
        • Brampt

          Oblivious- Gods judgments are beneficial for mankind, you and me... Who wouldn't want to see an earth clean from people that make earth an insecure place to live??...

          August 18, 2013 at 11:02 pm |
        • Brampt

          Bob- there were slaves, though they would have to be treated with dignity not like the slaves brought from Africa by the crusaders.

          Leviticus 19:33. "33 “‘And in case an alien resident resides with you as an alien in YOUR land, YOU must not mistreat him.+ 34 The alien resident who resides as an alien with YOU should become to YOU like a native of YOURS; and you must love him as yourself,+ for YOU became alien residents in the land of Egypt.+ I am Jehovah YOUR God.

          August 18, 2013 at 11:09 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Crampt, your god sounds like an evil azzhole unless you treat the text with bias. He is evil because he allows a place of eternal torture to exist. You don't see it because you've been brainwashed. You have a brain virus that makes you think something evil is really something good. It's sad to observe.

          August 18, 2013 at 11:10 pm |
        • Brampt

          Obvious- I do not believe there Hell. That myth was added to the early church formed by Constantine.
          When Adam and Eve were condemned by God, which you could consider one of the biggest sins knowing that they were perfect humans, God did not condem them to He'll... God simply said , Genesis 3:19 "From dust you are and to dust you will return.” Death is the end off all.

          August 18, 2013 at 11:24 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          That's rather compassionate of you, Brampt, especially since a person's god is merely an amalgamation of his highest ideals. Your god is simply your opinion of "what is best."

          However, you believe in a literal Adam and Eve, and that's troubling to me. We can certainly work around that, but c'mon, Adam and Eve did something physical to their environment that made a magical force release into their bloodstream and infect an invisible body part of a "soul" and that got passed down like an invisible, overarching disease that is completely undetectable? Is that what you'd like me to believe?

          August 18, 2013 at 11:28 pm |
        • Brampt

          Adam and Eve were created by God to live eternally as we'll as their descendants, but their disobedience cause God to take that privilege away, therefore we as their descendants suffer. That's why God made provisions for Christ to die for the humanity, as a ransom sacrifice, so we could gain the life they lost. Have eternal life under a paradise earth.

          It interesting that our brain has the capacity to store unlimited info and it has a never ending capacity... Though our body age ps and dies. Why would we need all that Bain capacity if we only live now for 70 ,80 when our brain has a capacity that could last an eternity?...

          August 18, 2013 at 11:47 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          "therefore we as their descendants suffer."

          Brampt,

          Even us lowly humans know it is unjust to punish the son for the crimes of the father. Why would it be moral for any god to do the same? Unless you buy into divine command theory....in which case you are no longer a moral agent, you are just blindly following rules....sad.

          August 19, 2013 at 12:10 am |
        • Brampt

          Cheesemaker- We are part of that unfortunately, but in the long run when this are resolved by God it would prove future generations, the mistake it is to drift away from God. But it doesn't mean that God has not given humanity dignity....
          1- he provided with the ransom sacrifice in order that throught Christ we can gain "life in abundance" and in peace. John 10:10
          2- despite we are sinners he still gives us what we need to survive, even when the majority revels to be unthinkfull to God for it. Luke 6:35 he is kind+ toward the unthankful and wicked"
          He “makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrigh teous.” (Matt. 5:45)

          August 19, 2013 at 12:33 am |
        • skytag

          @Brampt: "It interesting that our brain has the capacity to store unlimited info and it has a never ending capacity..."

          I think it's more interesting that you believe such an idiotic notion. The brain's capacity to store information is indeed great, but it is not infinite.

          "Though our body age ps and dies. Why would we need all that Bain capacity if we only live now for 70 ,80 when our brain has a capacity that could last an eternity?..."

          Another example of the classic religious fallacy. You have a question to which you don't know the answer, so you simply make on up that's consistent with your religious beliefs. This is why I say religion makes people stupid.

          I think a better question is why people's ability to remember what their brains store varies so much and only in extremely rare cases are people able to access most of what is stored in their memories. People with hyperthymesia or highly superior autobiographical memory (HSAM) can remember virtually everything they've experienced since they were about 11 years old. Give them a date 30 years ago and they can tell you what they wore, what they ate, what happened in the news, what day of the week it was and so on.

          Only about a dozen people in the world have been identified as having this ability. The rest of us muddle along remembering only a tiny fraction of what HSAM can remember.

          August 19, 2013 at 1:15 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          "Cheesemaker- We are part of that unfortunately"

          No, we are not. It is a bad fairy tale. The unfortunate part is you have convinced yourself your god is moral. Might does not make right.

          August 19, 2013 at 2:21 am |
        • Bob

          Brampt, you are an idiot. Some of the quotes I referenced are out of your foul new testament. As usual, the atheist knows your book of horrors better than you do.

          Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement.
          Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
          http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

          August 19, 2013 at 10:54 am |
        • Brampt

          Bob- sorry to correct you, but you only mentioned one book from the NT... And it has nothing to do with animal sacrifices.Anyways God judgment has to come in order for the world to be a better place... If not the human race might be extinct in 100 years..

          August 19, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
    • skytag

      I'm not interested in whether someone believes the God of the Bible is good or evil. I think it's a silly debate. I think the question that matters is whether he exists or not, and I see no reason to believe he exists.

      You can't address this question by quoting the Bible.

      August 18, 2013 at 11:19 pm |
      • Brampt

        Skytag- you are on the same page as me in that point...me and you believe in something we cannot know or see. Though the evidence everything was created by God is much evident then not. It is so that way that in the bible, calls it " inexcusable" that someone wouldn't realize that there is no Creator, !
        Romans 1:20 "For his invisible+ [qualities] are clearly seen from the world’s* creation onward,+ because they are perceived by the things made,+ even his eternal power+ and Godship,*+ so that they are inexcusable

        August 18, 2013 at 11:32 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Brampt, there is no evidence that everything was created. Stop being silly.

          August 18, 2013 at 11:38 pm |
        • Brampt

          Obvious- look at nature around you, how gorgeous and complex everything is... Is that a product of chance?

          August 18, 2013 at 11:50 pm |
        • Dippy

          Brampt, it's "you and I"' not "me and you". A little more book learning and less bible time would greatly improve your grammar.

          August 18, 2013 at 11:55 pm |
        • Athy

          What you see as beautiful is just nature to us as humans. It may well be ugly to an extraterrestrial alien. Because we think it's beautiful is certainly no proof of a creator.

          August 18, 2013 at 11:59 pm |
        • Brampt

          Athy- it's not only beautifull... It's very complex.

          August 19, 2013 at 12:03 am |
        • Athy

          Complex is a relative measure. Complex compared to what? It's certainly more complex than necessary. But that is precisely what one would expect with evolution

          August 19, 2013 at 12:11 am |
        • skytag

          "Though the evidence everything was created by God is much evident then not."

          There is absolutely no such evidence.

          "Obvious- look at nature around you, how gorgeous and complex everything is... Is that a product of chance?"

          It certainly could be, and for the record a lot of what's out there isn't all that gorgeous. What you have here is the classical fallacy of the religious, the argument that since we don't have another explanation for something God must be responsible for it.

          Not only is there no logical basis for that conclusion, but over the course of human history those sorts of explanations have been repeatedly debunked by science.

          For example, people used to believe disease was caused by evil spirits. People believed lightning and thunder were caused by Thor's hammer. There's actually quite a long list of phenomenon that in the past people, who thought exactly as you think now, attributed to the actions of a god or some spirit, but have since been explained by science as our level of knowledge and understanding has grown.

          Obviously there are still some of those claims remaining that science hasn't been able to debunk, and you folks cling to them desperately. Your position is basically, "Well yes, we've been wrong a lot, but we could still be right about some of them." That's not exactly my idea of a compelling argument.

          August 19, 2013 at 12:50 am |
        • skytag

          @Brampt: "Athy- it's not only beautifull... It's very complex."

          The complexity we find in nature is easily explained without relying on a creator.

          August 19, 2013 at 12:56 am |
        • Brampt

          Sky tag- a house is built by some one... If you come to see a house that you saw 10 years ago and you see that the house was upgraded, I would presume that those upgrades did just pop out of nowhere...there had to be workers behind all that... Similarly behind all the complexity of the universe there has to be someone behind everything...

          August 19, 2013 at 1:17 am |
        • Athy

          Brampt, you're hopeless.

          August 19, 2013 at 1:35 am |
        • Damocles

          @brampt

          Yes, I would presume that the house was built by someone. I would not presume that this person was responsible for building all the houses that ever existed. I would not worship the person to whom I paid money for building my house. Please also note that it usually takes a group of people to build a home.

          August 19, 2013 at 1:43 am |
        • tallulah13

          Brampt defends his belief through the old "I don't understand it, therefore god must have done it" rationalization. Humans have been creating gods to explain the unknown for as long as there have been humans. You are no different, Brampt, than the ancient who looked at lightning and decided that Zeus did it. At least that ancient had the excuse of living in a world where they literally didn't know better.

          August 19, 2013 at 9:53 am |
        • Fallacy Spotting 101

          Posts by 'Brampt' contain multiple instances of the Argument from Ignorance fallacy.

          http://fallacyfiles.org/glossary.html

          August 19, 2013 at 12:14 pm |
  7. skytag

    I'm a fan of Occam's Razor:

    Occam's razor ... is a principle of parsimony, economy, or succinctness used in logic and problem-solving. It states that among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected. In other words, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. — Wikipedia

    Religious folk expend considerable energy coming up with answers to a variety of questions, such as the one in this, the fourth article now on this topic. I think the simple answer is the correct one: There is no God.

    August 18, 2013 at 10:37 pm |
    • Vic

      The simplest explanation ever is "God created everything."

      August 18, 2013 at 10:52 pm |
      • skytag

        I see our resident simpleton has weighed in. Unfortunately for you, Vic, your simple doesn't answer any of the interesting questions, questions I've posed here many times and that you have never once attempted to answer because you don't have a sound bite to regurgitate that addresses them.

        Get back to me when you're capable of participating in a real discussion.

        August 18, 2013 at 11:22 pm |
      • Athy

        And also the stupidest explanation. But for simple people, it's probably the most believable. You don't have to stress your limited brain capacity beyond its limit.

        August 19, 2013 at 12:02 am |
      • tallulah13

        Nonsense, Vic. That simply begs the question "who created god?" You can't say that god has always been there, because once the possibility of eternal existence comes into play, it equally applies to the universe, thus negating the need for a god. If you claim that god exists outside of time and space, then you must ask "what is the nature of this place outside of time and space, how can it possibly exist and how can we verify it's existence."

        No, "god did it" is the most convenient, lazy explanation. It's not the simplest.

        August 19, 2013 at 10:02 am |
    • Bob

      Outstanding.

      August 18, 2013 at 10:53 pm |
      • Bob

        Skytag's post is outstanding.

        August 18, 2013 at 10:53 pm |
  8. Paul Lambert

    Mr Mehta did a great job looking at the issue. Ms Evans also approached the issue with dignity. Good segment

    August 18, 2013 at 10:28 pm |
  9. Buddy

    Oh please. The studies show the vast majority of those who consider themselves to be "non-religious" believe in God. A large of Christians consider themselves to be "non-religious" because they reject the idea that Christianity is a religion.

    Oh, and Pentecostal churches are growing in the US and worldwide. 🙂

    August 18, 2013 at 10:18 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      What studies? How were they done? Are you just pulling stupid sh!t out of your azz? Atheism is on the rise. Sorry if you don't like the facts. Too bad.

      August 18, 2013 at 10:30 pm |
    • skytag

      What exactly is your point?

      August 18, 2013 at 10:37 pm |
    • Athy

      Name "the studies"' Buddy.

      August 19, 2013 at 12:04 am |
  10. Cpt. Obvious

    God is invisible, undetectable, and irrelevant. If faith was useful, the military would be all over it. If god belief simply did a tenth of what math or chemistry does in a predictable way, nobody would debate it at all. It's a hoax, I tell you.

    August 18, 2013 at 10:15 pm |
    • skytag

      So true. For all their talk about what God will do for you, you won't find a single believer who wants to be on a battlefield armed with nothing but his faith in God.

      Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.

      August 18, 2013 at 10:39 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      The military is all over it. That's why the have chaplains, to keep as many troops ready for battle, regardless of how moral the cause is.

      August 19, 2013 at 1:30 am |
  11. Robert Brown

    It is really a miracle there are believers of any age left. The enemy has a tremendous advantage of influence. If a person works a job, raises children, & etc, there is only so much time they can spend in the word. At best a believer might be in church 2, 3, or 4 hours a week. They may get in a little personal bible study & prayer time during the week. Compare that to spending 40 plus hours a week working in the enemies playground. Then add in the tv, radio, or Internet time. The enemy is winning the battle of influence because we have to spend so much time in the world, instead of in the word. You have heard you are what you eat. You are influenced by what you see, hear, & experience.

    August 18, 2013 at 10:08 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      Bob, don't be stupid. If it were a "miracle" there'd be a lot less believers. How much of a "miracle" is it that so many people in the US are overweight? There's not as many as are religious. Seriously, Robert, I expect better from you.

      August 18, 2013 at 10:17 pm |
    • ...

      I don't think Robert is stupid. It looks more like y o u are

      August 18, 2013 at 10:22 pm |
      • Cpt. Obvious

        If a miracle can be something 90% of the population does, then you might have a point. It's interesting that I provide reasoning for my statement, but yours is just pure unfounded accusation.

        August 18, 2013 at 10:27 pm |
      • skytag

        Ah, the response of a true Christian.

        August 18, 2013 at 10:40 pm |
    • skytag

      People simply aren't as gullible as they used to be. They no longer believe they need the church to explain how everything works, why people get sick, and so on. They no longer live in a bubble, isolated from other cultures, other ways of thinking, other religions, other ways of doing things. Increasingly they see people can reject your beliefs in a god and still lead happy productive lives.

      They're tired of religious hypocrisy. They're tired of endless excuses to explain why there's no evidence of any God, why there's no evidence any prayer is ever answered, why your God didn't lift a finger while 50 million were dying in WWII, and dozens of other questions for which you have no answers.

      I'm not defending a culture in which people are immersed in entertainment and trivial pursuits, not by any stretch of the imagination. I find that very lamentable in fact. But your enemy is not Satan, it's the truth and reality. People are increasingly less willing to believe myths and fairytales to avoid dealing with the harsh realities of life.

      August 18, 2013 at 10:31 pm |
      • Robert Brown

        There are hypocrites and plenty of unanswerable questions. Lots of intellectual heroes searching the handiwork of God for evidence. Something comes to mind about where your treasures are = where your heart is. The enemy is very subtle, sprinkle just a few lies amongst volumes of truth and you can fool lots of folks, gullible, skeptical, doesn't matter, it appeals to the intellect.

        August 18, 2013 at 11:14 pm |
        • skytag

          "There are hypocrites and plenty of unanswerable questions."

          There are lots of questions easily answered with one simple answer: There is no God. They're only unanswerable when you limit your answers to those consistent with your belief in a God.

          "Lots of intellectual heroes searching the handiwork of God for evidence."

          You say this as if wanting evidence for something before you believe it is a bad thing. Oh right, because your puppet masters have told you is a bad thing, and they told you that because they knew there would never be any evidence. How convenient. It might all be fiction, but the authors of it weren't stupid.

          "Something comes to mind about where your treasures are = where your heart is."

          In both cases mine are in the real world and yours are off in some fantasy world that doesn't exist.

          "The enemy is very subtle, sprinkle just a few lies amongst volumes of truth and you can fool lots of folks, gullible, skeptical, doesn't matter, it appeals to the intellect."

          Standard propaganda teaching. Any good system of propaganda conditions the people subjected to it to reject anything that might cause them to question what they've been brainwashed to believe. I've been accused of lying hundreds of times in political discussions for telling a verifiable truth because it didn't support what my accuser had been brainwashed to believe.

          You've been taught that facts, evidence, reason and logic are less reliable that feelings and emotions when it comes to discerning truth from falsehood precisely because the authors of your beliefs understood how easy it is to manipulate people's feelings and emotions. Once they can get you to reject facts, evidence, and critical thinking they've got you where they want you: ready and willing to be manipulated by a good religious speaker, an inspirational sound bite, a good hymn, and so on.

          It's all good until some unscrupulous person decides to use your programmed susceptibility to manipulation for his own purposes. When it's Billy Graham stirring people's emotions they call it feeling the spirit.

          When it was Hitler the German people thought he was inspiring too. In fact, people left their churches in droves for Nazism in Nazi Germany. Since there is no God and no "spirit," whoever has the better speaker wins, and Hitler was a powerful speaker. When the Nazis came to power in Germany the population was overwhelmingly Christian, with about one-third being Catholic. All those Christians, all that time in churches, praying, reading their Bibles and despite all that Hitler managed to rise to power and fool the vast majority of them. So much for the power of your God and the spirit.

          The better speaker won, plain and simple. Or, I should say the better speakers, since the Nazis had Hitler and Goebbels, two men famous for their ability to work a crowd into a frenzy of emotion.

          August 19, 2013 at 12:32 am |
        • HotAirAce

          More like lots of intellectual heroes searching for evidence of the handiwork of some/any god.

          August 19, 2013 at 1:28 am |
        • Robert Brown

          Skytag,
          “Standard propaganda teaching. Any good system of propaganda conditions the people subjected to it to reject anything that might cause them to question what they've been brainwashed to believe. I've been accused of lying hundreds of times in political discussions for telling a verifiable truth because it didn't support what my accuser had been brainwashed to believe.”
          This relates precisely to my original post. The enemy is winning the battle of influence. You say I’ve been brainwashed, I say it is the nonbelievers who are. One of us is wrong. Who has the most influence, believers or nonbelievers? What do people spend their time doing?
          “You've been taught that facts, evidence, reason and logic are less reliable that feelings and emotions when it comes to discerning truth from falsehood precisely because the authors of your beliefs understood how easy it is to manipulate people's feelings and emotions. Once they can get you to reject facts, evidence, and critical thinking they've got you where they want you: ready and willing to be manipulated by a good religious speaker, an inspirational sound bite, a good hymn, and so on.”
          I believe I have a healthy level of skepticism. For example, if you say something is a fact, that is a very strong statement. What I have found is that many things that are proclaimed to be fact are actually opinion. There is a huge difference between fact and opinion. So, whenever you are reading and the author writes something like this, “because of this (insert evidence) we know,” you should take it with a grain of salt. They don’t know, they think. It is opinion disguised as fact, well intentioned or not. They seem to believe it, you have to decide whether or not you do. Some people are more emotional than others, and yes, people can be swayed by emotion and powerful speakers temporarily, but away from the excitement, if that is all it was, it goes away. Take for example our current president, I watched some of his speeches during his first primary, he is an awesome speaker, very inspirational, reminded me of King. Everything he said sounded great and during the speech I would have voted for him, away from the hype, I decided not to. Reason and logic do prevail. We all have reasons for what we believe.

          August 19, 2013 at 11:05 am |
        • Richard Cranium

          Robert
          Let me destroy one of your beliefs. I have not been brainwashed to non-belief. I resisted the brainwashing that the believers tried to subject me to. My beliefs are my own, and unique to me. I have studied religions and the need for religions for many years, and though I studied these philosophies, I was not subjected to brainwashing like they do in churches. Imagine the peer pressure when a preacher proclaims the "truth" of "the word" and I have to stand up and correct him in the proper use of the word truth. I'd get thrown out on you face. Between the false teaching, or the teaching they believe to be correct and the peer pressure to conform, to a child it absolutley is brainwashing.

          On the other hand, all are born atheists and have to be taught religion. If you are never taught about gods, you will be by default an atheist...no brainwashing required.

          August 19, 2013 at 11:19 am |
    • Bennett

      Wrong, Robert. Leisure time has dramatically risen over the past 3 centuries, and also over the past 5 decades. One reference of many on this, which you could have found before your lazy post if you had bothered with those pesky facts instead of posting your conjectures:

      http://www.ieg-ego.eu/en/threads/crossroads/technified-environments/stefan-poser-leisure-time-and-technology

      August 18, 2013 at 10:36 pm |
      • Robert Brown

        What are we doing with this additional time? What are we seeing, hearing, & experiencing?

        August 18, 2013 at 10:54 pm |
        • skytag

          Mostly people are wasting that time, entertaining themselves and feeding their narcissistic natures tweeting, talking on the phone and updating their Facebook pages, anything to ensure they don't have to spend any time thinking about anything of substance or contemplate anything. I think it's a travesty, but as long was we place such a high value on individual freedom people are free to not better themselves.

          August 19, 2013 at 12:36 am |
    • Lloyd

      You offer such a great answer to the natural selection of only the fittest and most intelligent will survive by asking all religious people to stop worrying about gathering food or working towards a better and healthier life by spending all your time praying.

      August 18, 2013 at 10:52 pm |
    • tallulah13

      It's sad when an adult calls rational thinking "the enemy."

      August 19, 2013 at 10:04 am |
    • fintastic

      @robert............... "Compare that to spending 40 plus hours a week working in the enemies playground."

      Let me get this straight.... your employer is your enemy???......

      August 19, 2013 at 10:15 am |
  12. a_black_crow

    "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." – Voltaire

    August 18, 2013 at 9:59 pm |
  13. Colin

    A quick 10 question quiz might help explain why millennials are deserting religion in droves.

    Q.1 The completely absurd theory that all 7,000,000,000 human beings on the planet are simultaneously being observed 24 hours a day, every day of their lives by an immortal, invisible being for the purposes of reward or punishment in an “afterlife” comes from the field of:

    (a) Astronomy;

    (b) Cosmology;

    (c) Psychology; or

    (d) Religion

    Q. 2 You are only capable of believing something as patently absurd as the entire Universe beginning less than 10,000 years ago with one man, one woman and a magic talking snake if you are influenced by:

    (a) your education;

    (b) your diet;

    (c) your family history; or

    (d) your religion

    Q. 3 I believe that an all-knowing being, powerful enough to create the entire cosmos and its billions of galaxies, watches me have $ex to make sure I don't do anything "naughty" (like protect myself from disease with a condom, for example). I am

    (a) A victim of child molestation

    (b) A r.ape victim trying to recover

    (c) A mental patient with paranoid delusions; or

    (d) A regular Christian, Jew or Muslim following my religious belief

    Q.4 I have convinced myself that gay $ex is a choice and not genetic, but then have no explanation as to why only gay people have ho.mo$exual urges. I am being obstinate and closed minded due to my:

    (a) hetero$exuality

    (b) genetics

    (c) nationality; or

    (d) religion.

    Q5. I honestly believe that, when I think silent thoughts like, “please god, help me pass my exam tomorrow,” some invisible being is reading my mind and will intervene and alter what would otherwise be the course of history in small ways to help me. I am

    (a) a delusional schizophrenic;

    (b) a naïve child, too young to know that that is silly

    (c) an ignorant farmer from Sudan who never had the benefit of even a fifth grade education; or

    (d) your average Christian, Muslim or Jew who believes that prayers are answered

    Q6. Millions and millions of Catholics believe that bread and wine turns into the actual flesh and blood of a dead Jew from 2,000 years ago because:

    (a) there are obvious visible changes in the condiments after the Catholic priest does his hocus pocus;

    (b) tests have confirmed a divine presence in the bread and wine;

    (c) now and then their god shows up and confirms this story; or

    (d) their religious convictions tell them to blindly accept this completely fvcking absurd nonsense.

    Q.7 The only discipline known to often cause people to kill others they have never met and/or to commit suicide in its furtherance is:

    (a) Architecture;

    (b) Philosophy;

    (c) Archeology; or

    (d) Religion

    Q.8 What is it that most differentiates science and all other intellectual disciplines from religion:

    (a) Religion tells people not only what they should believe, but what they MUST believe under threat of “burning in hell” or other of divine retribution, whereas science, economics, medicine etc. has no “sacred cows” in terms of doctrine and go where the evidence leads them;

    (b) Religion can make a statement, such as “God is comprised of God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit”, and be totally immune from experimentation and challenge, whereas science can only make factual assertions when supported by considerable evidence;

    (c) Science and the scientific method is universal and consistent all over the World whereas all religion is regional and a person’s religion, no matter how deeply held, is clearly nothing more than a matter of upbringing; or

    (d) All of the above.

    Q.9 If I am found wandering the streets flagellating myself, wading into a filth river, mutilating my child’s genitals or kneeling down in a church believing that a being is somehow reading my inner thoughts and prayers, I am likely driven by:

    (a) a deep psychiatric issue;

    (b) an irrational fear or phobia;

    (c) a severe mental degeneration caused by years of drug abuse; or

    (d) my religious belief.

    Q.10 Who am I? I don’t pay any taxes. I never have. Any money my organization earns is tax free at the federal, state and local level. Despite contributing nothing to society, but still enjoying all its benefits, I feel I have the right to tell others what to do. I am

    (a) A sleazy Wall Street banker

    (b) the mafia

    (c) A drug pusher; or

    (d) any given religious organization

    In short, nothing in history of human endeavor can make otherwise smart, functioning people believe the most implausible of supernatural absurdities the way religion can.

    August 18, 2013 at 9:48 pm |
  14. Colin

    If you raise children in a pre-internet world, where their view of the world is largely dictated by the veiws of their parents, they will adopt the religious views of their parents. When their eyes are opened to the fundamental flaws of Christianity and the availability of different perspectives, there is no going back.

    Asking a well exposed Millennial to go back to "Father, Son and Holy Ghost" is like asking a college graduate to go back to Huey, Dewey, and Louie.

    August 18, 2013 at 9:43 pm |
  15. Bootyfunk

    the internet and fact-checking are killing religion.

    August 18, 2013 at 9:08 pm |
  16. Rodents for Romney

    Religions continue to loose ground to the scientific world-view. All religions are doomed. Spirituality may or may not survive. There is no religion, which, upon close inspection, can bear the scrutiny. All cooked up by humans, based on Philosophical nonsense, and historical fallacies.

    August 18, 2013 at 8:58 pm |
    • ...

      That's what one foolish rodent says. And rodents are not very intelligent. Just caught one in a trap....LOL!

      August 18, 2013 at 10:18 pm |
      • Doobs

        How, exactly, did you "catch" RfR? All I see is a silly retort.

        August 19, 2013 at 1:36 am |
  17. Lloyd

    For me it is not losing religion it is the continous development of logic. We are so much more educated today, able to learn from so many sources of information, to the point where logic overrides the need to believe in things that lack a foundation in reallity. It is not a matter of losing religion it is a matter gaining the ability to think for one's self.

    August 18, 2013 at 8:45 pm |
    • Athy

      Well said, Lloyd. I totally agree.

      August 19, 2013 at 12:40 am |
  18. Rachel Held Over

    Next up: Debating Our Debating of Why Millenials are Millenials And Why We Are Debating Why Millenials Are Debating Why Millenials are Leaving the Church

    -anything for more page views and ad clicks.

    August 18, 2013 at 8:25 pm |
    • Rachel risen from the dead.

      Rachel was tied up in the closet waiting for the CNN guys to go on vacation.
      They let her loose again.
      Still nothing of any substance to say.

      August 18, 2013 at 9:00 pm |
    • skytag

      So true.

      August 18, 2013 at 10:33 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Who is this person, anyway, and who is she sleeping with in order to get so much exposure on CNN?

      August 19, 2013 at 10:05 am |
  19. I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

    After how many topics on this is there anything new to say?

    Is Ms. Held Evans now on the payroll?

    August 18, 2013 at 8:11 pm |
  20. Answer

    Our society is teaching our kids to not be a pathetic idiot. We're thankful that this will continue to your discontent.

    August 18, 2013 at 8:02 pm |
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
Advertisement
About this blog

The CNN Belief Blog covers the faith angles of the day's biggest stories, from breaking news to politics to entertainment, fostering a global conversation about the role of religion and belief in readers' lives. It's edited by CNN's Daniel Burke with contributions from Eric Marrapodi and CNN's worldwide news gathering team.