August 21st, 2013
08:46 AM ET

Vatican to say next month when John Paul II, John XXIII will become saints

By Jason Hanna and Hada Messia, CNN

(CNN) - The Roman Catholic Church will announce next month the date when the late popes John Paul II and John XXIII will be canonized, Vatican Radio reported Wednesday.

The canonization dates for the two former pontiffs will be announced on September 30, the radio service reported, citing Cardinal Angelo Amato.

Pope Francis announced last month that his two 20th century predecessors would be declared saints.

John Paul was pope from 1978 until his death in 2005, drawing vast crowds as he crisscrossed the globe. The third-longest-serving pope in history, died at the age of 84 after suffering from Parkinson's disease, arthritis and other ailments for several years.

Pope John XXIII was famed for calling the Second Vatican Council in 1962, which ushered in great changes in the Roman Catholic Church's relationship with the modern world. He was pope from 1958 to 1963.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Catholic Church • Pope • Pope John Paul II • Vatican

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  1. Profit

    True followers of the one True God... donate to me.

    August 21, 2013 at 1:40 pm |
  2. prophet

    the true followers of God are those that believe in being Kind to others, the real saints are the nurses and many doctors, these are the people who should be saints not popes.

    August 21, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      They should be sincerely thanked and esteemed in real time - not somewhere over the rainbow in airy-fairy Neverland.

      August 21, 2013 at 1:41 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      I am kind to people everyday, yet I do not follow any gods. Gods are not necessary for one to show kindness.

      August 21, 2013 at 2:01 pm |
  3. prophet

    scotland is under a Jewish Flag because St Andrew was Jewish

    August 21, 2013 at 1:35 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      Oooooh, don't tell Mel Gibson that ("Braveheart")!

      August 21, 2013 at 1:38 pm |
  4. prophet

    the scttish people are amongst them as they have the flag of St Andrew as their flag and St Andrew was a follower of Our God and He was Jewish.

    August 21, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
    • Scotsman

      Please define "Our God".

      August 21, 2013 at 3:54 pm |
  5. prophet

    there were no saints at antioch they were followers of our Saviour and they knew each other as brothers such was their humility and it was the pagans and gentiles that changed this because they knew they could deceive innocent people.

    August 21, 2013 at 1:31 pm |
  6. prophet

    chsritianity was mentioned at antoch byt not by the True followers of Our God. It was invented at antioch to deceive people and ithe deception continues to this day by the catholics. There are no christians there never was, it was all invented by pagans and gentiles who wanted power over innocent people.

    August 21, 2013 at 1:28 pm |
    • Scotsman

      And who are the true followers of the true God?

      August 21, 2013 at 1:30 pm |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that


        August 21, 2013 at 1:32 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      The same goes for the entire Hebrew "God" story, ostensibly by ethnocentric Middle Eastern men, trying to establish control of the area and the people.

      August 21, 2013 at 1:34 pm |
  7. prophet

    most of the clergy child abusers are now hidden in monastries ect around the world and the pope knows this.

    August 21, 2013 at 1:25 pm |
  8. prophet

    the bizarre thing is that there is no catholic in the bible or chritianity, its never been mentioned.

    August 21, 2013 at 1:21 pm |
    • Lawrence

      Wrong... The word "Catholic" just means "Universal," and the saints were first called Christians at Antioch. That's Acts 11:25-26

      August 21, 2013 at 1:24 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

      America was also never mentioned in The Bible. What's your point?

      August 21, 2013 at 1:24 pm |
    • Lawrence

      "Christian" is also mentioned in Acts 26:28 and in 1 Peter 4:16

      August 21, 2013 at 1:24 pm |
  9. Frank

    Christianity is filth. I honestly don't know why anyone would follow it when there are many other false religions to follow that don't include such outrageous lies. Those popes are not saints. They are dead and gone. No magic spells that you cast change who they were or what they are.

    August 21, 2013 at 1:21 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

      Filth is a bit of an overstatement.

      August 21, 2013 at 1:22 pm |
  10. prophet

    chritianity is blasphemy towarsd Our God, it was developed by the greeks and all names etc were converted to greek and latin to not allow people to know the Truth about God.

    August 21, 2013 at 1:19 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

      Actually, it was developed by Hellenized Romans.

      August 21, 2013 at 1:23 pm |
  11. bostontola

    I find the following (from Wikipedia) more credible than the Genesis creation myth. It can easily be interpreted to allude to evolution and a dynamic creation.

    Mbombo, also called Bumba, is the creator god in the religion and mythology of the Kuba of Central Africa. In the Mbombo creation myth, Mbombo was a giant in form and white in color.[1]
    The story of Mbombo's creation tells that in the beginning, Mbombo was alone, and darkness and water covered the all earth. It would happen that Mbombo came to feel an intense pain in his stomach, and then Mbombo vomited the sun, the moon, and stars. The heat and light from the sun evaporated the water covering the earth, creating clouds, and after time, the dry hills emerged from the water. Then Mbombo vomited once more, bringing forth nine animals: the leopard, called Koy Bumba; the eagle, Ponga Bumba; the crocodile, Ganda Bumba; the fish, Yo Bumba; the tortoise, Kono Bumba; a black leopard-like animal, Tsetse Bumba; a white heron, Nyanyi Bumba; a scarab; and a goat named Budi. Mbombo also vomited many men, one of them was called Loko Yima.[1][2]
    These nine animals went on to create all the world's creatures. The heron created all flying birds but one, the kite, and the crocodile created snakes and the iguana. The goat, Budi, brought forth all the horned animals, the scarab all insects, and Yo Bumba, all fish.[2]
    Three of Mbombo's sons then said they would finish creating the world. The first to try, Nyonye Ngana, vomited white ants, but died after.[1] To honor him, the ants went deep in the earth for dark soil to bury him and transformed the barren sands at the earth's surface. The second, Chonganda, created the first plant, which in turn gave rise to all trees, grasses and flowers. And Chedi Bumba, the third son, made the last bird, the kite.[2]

    August 21, 2013 at 1:07 pm |
    • Lawrence

      And some people believe they can breathe under water...

      August 21, 2013 at 1:15 pm |
      • bostontola

        You're right, with man made scuba gear. Some people can fly also, with training on another man made invention. Man makes many things including your religion.

        August 21, 2013 at 1:22 pm |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

        And some people believe that a temple rabble-rouser who lived 2,000 years ago in Judea is the son of the Canaanite war god, Yahweh.

        August 21, 2013 at 1:31 pm |
      • G to the T

        I'm sorry Lawrence – my irony meter exploded. Can you repeat that?

        August 22, 2013 at 2:39 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      In the beginning , the heavens and earth were still one and all was chaos. The universe was like a big black egg, carrying Pan Gu inside itself. After 18 thousand years Pan Gu woke from a long sleep. He felt suffocated, so he took up a broadax and wielded it with all his might to crack open the egg. The light, clear part of it floated up and formed the heavens, the cold, turbid matter stayed below to form earth. Pan Gu stood in the middle, his head touching the sky, his feet planted on the earth. The heavens and the earth began to grow at a rate of ten feet per day, and Pan Gu grew along with them. After another 18 thousand years, the sky was higher, the earth thicker, and Pan Gu stood between them like a pillar 9 million li in height so that they would never join again.
      When Pan Gu died, his breath became the wind and clouds, his voice the rolling thunder. One eye became the sun and on the moon. His body and limbs turned to five big mountains and his blood formed the roaring water. His veins became far-stretching roads and his muscles fertile land. The innumerable stars in the sky came from his hair and beard, and flowers and trees from his skin and the fine hairs on his body. His marrow turned to jade and pearls. His sweat flowed like the good rain and sweet dew that nurtured all things on earth. According to some versions of the Pan Gu legend, his tears flowed to make rivers and radiance of his eyes turned into thunder and lighting. When he was happy the sun shone, but when he was angry black clouds gathered in the sky. One version of the legend has it that the fleas and lice on his body became the ancestors of mankind.

      August 21, 2013 at 1:28 pm |
  12. Lionly Lamb

    The way home is wrought with misgivings of forlorn renderings for and against giving rises upon ever tumbling downward... The miseries are most notable while righteousness is least remembered... You are while I am not... They will while we won't... Who says what others speak..? Where may justice be found if not for the unjust to be so known..?

    Let us love
    Lettuce love
    Love let us
    Love lettuce

    Lionly Lamb

    August 21, 2013 at 12:50 pm |
    • Phelps

      Keep the lettuce love going, Lionly!

      August 21, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      mix that lettuce in with your usual word salad

      August 21, 2013 at 1:06 pm |
    • Lettuce prey

      Purslane 7:15
      And the caretakers of the fields, with trowels and spades did break apart the earth, bringing the breathe of life to the seeds that were then planted. They kept the other creatures of the land from that good crop, for those creatures did see the lettuce as prey. Lettuce prey.


      August 21, 2013 at 1:10 pm |
      • Lionly Lamb


        August 21, 2013 at 1:16 pm |
        • CommonSensed

          More cowbell.

          August 21, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
  13. Thought Purification

    The Roman Catholic Church will also announce the date when the late popes John Paul II and John XXIII will be mummified.

    August 21, 2013 at 12:45 pm |
  14. CommonSensed

    Funny how idolatry is a sin in their religion, but they keep creating more.

    August 21, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
    • ??

      True dat!!

      August 21, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
    • ME II

      Idolatry is relative.

      August 21, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
    • Segoy

      Has the RCC said to worship the saints? I think not.

      August 21, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
      • A Frayed Knot


        Catholics do what they call "venerate" the Saints:

        1: to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference
        2: to honor (as an icon or a relic) with a ritual act of devotion
        adore, deify, glorify, revere, reverence, worship
        Related Words
        admire, honor, love, regard, respect; apotheosize, canonize, dignify, exalt, lionize, magnify; extol (also extoll), laud, praise; delight, gratify, please, satisfy

        It seems to be a fine line between the Church's party line and what some of the members actually do.

        August 21, 2013 at 12:55 pm |
        • Bill Deacon

          nu·ance (näns, ny-, n-äns, ny-)
          1. A subtle or slight degree of difference, as in meaning, feeling, or tone; a gradation.
          2. Expression or appreciation of subtle shades of meaning, feeling, or tone: a rich artistic performance, full of nuance.

          August 21, 2013 at 12:58 pm |
        • Just the Facts Ma'am...

          Yes Bill, you are right, Christianity, especially Catholicism, is riddled with nuanced idolatry.

          August 21, 2013 at 1:54 pm |
        • Athy

          More like "nuisance" idolatry.

          August 21, 2013 at 3:08 pm |
  15. prophet

    so all the money that went to the popes visit to the poor, shouldn't of they given it to the poor as Our Saviour Said to them, so here again is the deception, they deceive people, but not just people but innocent people.

    August 21, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
    • Reality

      The bigger picture:

      (Only for the new members of this blog)

      Jesus was a bit "touched". After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane.

      Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Many contemporary NT experts after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with J's gospel being mostly fiction.

      Obviously, today's followers of Paul et al's "magic-man" are also a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man atonement, and infallible, old, European/Utah/Argentine white men, and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices. Yummy!!!!

      So why do we really care what a first century CE, illiterate, long-dead, preacher/magic man would do or say?

      August 21, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
  16. prophet

    i think when judgemnet is upon them thye will believe in God.

    August 21, 2013 at 12:14 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      If ever comes the time when I believe there is a god, I will judge him too. He has much to answer for.

      August 21, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
  17. prophet

    what is so bizzare is that most if not all of the clergy don't believe in God, a catholic clergy told me this.

    August 21, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
    • CommonSensed

      You don't have to believe in the business to be part of the business.

      August 21, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
    • Just the Facts Ma'am...

      I'll bet there are quite a few jew's who have worked on pig farms. You don't have to eat the bacon to profit from it...

      August 21, 2013 at 1:57 pm |
  18. prophet

    on the picture on the vatican website the popes hand is covering up the cross and this is to show that the vatican is trying to make the pope more importnat than the Belief system they are showing.

    August 21, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
  19. prophet

    vatican to announce date of cannonisation.

    but only sardines are put in cans.

    ah, vatican.

    August 21, 2013 at 12:04 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot


      Are you a Christian? If so, you abide by Canon Law too (however your particular variety interprets it).


      August 21, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
      • ??

        I am pretty sure Prophet is not a Christian...read their other post...

        August 21, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
        • A Frayed Knot


          Ah, well, whatever he/she is, he/she is not too bright not to know the difference between "cannon" and "canon".

          August 21, 2013 at 1:28 pm |
  20. prophet

    vatican to declare child abuse cover up a saint

    August 21, 2013 at 11:56 am |
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