August 21st, 2013
08:46 AM ET

Vatican to say next month when John Paul II, John XXIII will become saints

By Jason Hanna and Hada Messia, CNN

(CNN) - The Roman Catholic Church will announce next month the date when the late popes John Paul II and John XXIII will be canonized, Vatican Radio reported Wednesday.

The canonization dates for the two former pontiffs will be announced on September 30, the radio service reported, citing Cardinal Angelo Amato.

Pope Francis announced last month that his two 20th century predecessors would be declared saints.

John Paul was pope from 1978 until his death in 2005, drawing vast crowds as he crisscrossed the globe. The third-longest-serving pope in history, died at the age of 84 after suffering from Parkinson's disease, arthritis and other ailments for several years.

Pope John XXIII was famed for calling the Second Vatican Council in 1962, which ushered in great changes in the Roman Catholic Church's relationship with the modern world. He was pope from 1958 to 1963.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Catholic Church • Pope • Pope John Paul II • Vatican

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  1. Common Sensed

    Editors don't have the authority, ability or understanding of how to ban. It would require banning the entire user's ISP or contacting the ISP and requesting a block on the user from being able to access the site.

    August 22, 2013 at 4:09 pm |
  2. The Real Tom

    Thanks for at least giving me something concrete to work with, Really-O; it certainly is more useful than Common's ranting.

    I did the test; we are not IPv6.

    August 22, 2013 at 4:08 pm |
    • Common Sensed

      How did you determine that to be "concrete?" You don't understand network topology, and certainly not the layers of the network. IP addresses have no relevance to MAC addresses.

      You're asking for help. I have you very specific information. Yet you choose to listen to someone that's telling you to check whether you've got an IPv6 IP address?

      Your router almost undeniably gives you an IPv4 address through DHCP. Consumer routers haven't been forced to make the jump. Odds are, your IP address starts with 10 or 192. These are private IP networks. Windows will assign you an IPv6 address by default, but it doesn't help you in ANY way. Also, non-routable. Your router, if wireless, is mostly set to channel 6, and I doubt you've changed it. Maybe it doesn't have a default name. And I trust you've changed the password on it (and I'm not referring to the password you set to access the network). Ever update the firmware on it? Most likely no.

      I'd hardly call the other guy's advice concrete.

      Want some place "concrete" to start in figuring out what your MAC and IP(s) are?

      Press your start button. In the "run" box type "cmd" and press enter. Type the following:

      Ipconfig /all

      Good luck figuring out the rest of whatever mess this other individual gets you into.

      August 22, 2013 at 4:26 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Mac addresses identify specific devices – like your network interface. Change over to a different machine, or swap out the interface on the same machine, and you'll have a new mac address. More likely, blocking is accomplished using your handle and email address together with the ip address. You can try taking the device that picks up the ip address from your service provider offline for a time. When you bring it back up it may acquire a new ip address. You can see what ip address you are using by going to http://www.whatsmyip.org.

      August 23, 2013 at 8:30 pm |
  3. The Real Tom

    You have yet to explain why it is I cannot post from my own computer, except when I use a proxy server, as I am doing right now. Austin was here some time ago and stated exactly the same thing.


    August 22, 2013 at 3:44 pm |
    • Common Sensed

      The only time I have an issue is if I get flagged or make the mistake of using IE. When flagged, I change my email. Sometimes I have to alter my name as well. When using IE problems just arise out of the blue, frankly because of how awful IE is. CNN does not verify email addresses. This should tell you something about how little they care. Due to its lack of importance, it shows that they only go so far as using a script to temp ban names and email addresses. Those last two to three days, tops. Any other measures are to prevent real problems. This blog is off of that list.

      The reason you can't use the reply function is due to the proxy spinner itself. It won't allow certain things to work. The majority of them do exactly the same thing. You are still traceable through a proxy spinner. I know this because I've managed networks with tens of thousands of users.

      Try resetting everything. More often than not, it's a problem with your own system. I can say without a doubt though, CNN isn't blocking your IP (everyone on your ISP would be blocked) or your MAC. The only MAC they could possibly see is on your ISP's external router NIC. If they could see your MAC, the proxy spinner wouldn't do you any good because it doesn't spoof your MAC address.

      August 22, 2013 at 4:05 pm |
  4. The Real Tom

    Further, Common Nonsensed, if being abusive gets people banned, then why are YOU still here?

    August 22, 2013 at 3:28 pm |
    • Common Sensed

      Maybe because CNN doesn't IP or MAC ban? Jesus Christ, maybe I'm right after all!

      August 22, 2013 at 3:38 pm |
  5. The Real Tom

    No, Common Nonsensed, changing my name or e-mail address does NOT work. Don't you think I tried using another name/e-mail address? If you "do this for a living" then you should know that I was perfectly able to post from a Mac tablet when away from home, but cannot do so when I'm here.

    Now if Really-O can tell me how to change a Mac address, I'd appreciate it.

    August 22, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
    • Common Sensed

      You obviously know nothing about ARP or its purpose. Spoofing a MAC. Is a waste of time unless you're war driving or trying to steal your neighbor's bandwidth. CNN cannot see your MAC address. It simply isn't possible unless they're doing something highly illegal. It would be a complete waste of time and resources.

      Also worth noting is that changing your MAC address does not alter your router's MAC address, nor your cable modem's MAC address or your DSL modem's MAC address. Your computer/phone/tablet MAC address is NOT visible to the outside world. It is limited to your internal network only.

      Do you really think that CNN would spend money port scanning through multiple network layers in order to single you out? They'd barely waste the effort on a DDoS, and you really think they'd search for your information? Haha!

      No wonder you can't figure this out. Do some research on the subject. It's not rocket science.

      August 22, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @The Real Tom –

      First check if you're IPv6 by going to http://ipv6-test.com; if not (and it's unlikely), there's no point in changing your MAC address. If you are IPv6, a quick google search should do the trick. It's quite easy, at least for Windows boxes – and probably just as easy for Mac OS.

      August 22, 2013 at 3:59 pm |
      • Common Sensed

        This is not helpful. The majority of home users are all using IPv4. Your IP has zero relevance to your MAC.

        August 22, 2013 at 4:12 pm |
        • Really-O?

          @Common Sensed –

          Now you've exposed yourself. IPv6 address may very well contain your MAC address, unless you take preventative measures. Don't you have a keyboard to clean or a sticky mouse button to fix?

          August 22, 2013 at 4:20 pm |
        • Really-O?

          "IPv6 addresses may very well contain", not "IPv6 address may very well contain".

          August 22, 2013 at 4:21 pm |
  6. The Real Tom

    Oh, Dill, you would be so much better named if it were "Dull." No, honey, the "reply" function does not work if you're using this particular proxy. It also doesn't allow me to click on your name in the list of comments and get right to whatever inane pap you posted.

    August 22, 2013 at 3:19 pm |
  7. lamelionheart


    August 22, 2013 at 3:13 pm |


    August 22, 2013 at 3:02 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

      That's something we can agree on.

      August 22, 2013 at 3:04 pm |


        August 22, 2013 at 3:06 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          Wow, you're either retarded or a troll. Either way, I feel sorry for you.

          August 22, 2013 at 3:09 pm |


          August 22, 2013 at 3:14 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          Duly noted.

          August 22, 2013 at 3:15 pm |
  9. Madtown

    Vatican to say next month when John Paul II, John XXIII will become saints
    They're signing with New Orleans?! For the veteran's minimum I bet. The NFC South could be intriguing this year.

    August 22, 2013 at 3:01 pm |
    • saggyroy

      Just wait til they play the Lions....

      August 23, 2013 at 6:04 am |
  10. truthprevails1

    Much earlier in this hharri claimed that all who believe are saints. When confronted with the likes of Andrea Yates, the pedophile priests being saints, he avoided answering...so the other christians I pose the question...if as hharri has claimed is true, then are the believers such as the ones previously mentioned also saints?
    Not that I agree with any of it but I would think making the claim hharri does would really take away the meaning of sainthood.

    August 22, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
    • Russ

      @ TP1:
      the word "saints" is translating the Greek word 'agios' (literally, "holy ones"). the Bible knows NOTHING of the idea that some believers are saints & some are not. certainly some are not really believers who feign belief (as Jesus said, many will say "Lord, didn't we do miracles in your name?" and he'll say, "Depart from me, I never knew you"). but that's ultimately just a dodge from your point. so let me go headlong at it...

      why are Christians "holy?" not because of what WE do. no, we're told we deserve death (i.e., the cross). so what makes us "holy"? what Jesus did. that means – as offensive as it is – that ANYONE (i.e., Hitler, Dahmer, me, etc.) who rests in Christ for his holiness rather than in his own efforts is literally a SAINT – (made holy by what Christ did). but that's the point of our faith. "Christ died for sinners, of which I am the chief" (1 Tim.1:15).

      how could that be just? remember, the picture of the cross is a TRADE: he takes the treatment/justice I deserve, so that I get the just treatment only He deserves (which for me is mercy, since I certainly didn't earn it).

      there are more questions that follow (like sanctification – the process of becoming holy like Christ – which is different than the trade in treatments [justification is the technical term]), but there's an introductory answer for you.

      August 22, 2013 at 3:08 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Home » Resources » Saints » Saints
      Saints – Catechism of the Catholic Church

      956. The intercession of the saints. “Being more closely united to Christ, those who dwell in heaven fix the whole Church more firmly in holiness.... They do not cease to intercede with the Father for us, as they proffer the merits which they acquired on earth through the one mediator between God and men, Christ Jesus.... So by their fraternal concern is our weakness greatly helped.” [LG 49; cf. 1 Tim 2:5.]

      So, it would seem as if the merits one acquires on earth have something to do with it.

      August 22, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
  11. The Real Tom

    Probably because pantywaists like you complained, Dill.

    August 22, 2013 at 2:54 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      The reply button works just like it always has. Looks to me like you don't understand the user agreement any better this time. You'll end up being banned again. It's kind of a neat little analogy considering it's playing out on the belief blog, don't you think?

      August 22, 2013 at 2:58 pm |
    • Theo

      Tom r u crazy is that your problem ?

      August 22, 2013 at 5:40 pm |
  12. The Real Tom

    Hey CS and Honey Badger, I deny being anywhere NEAR Cognito, much less in it! The mods banned my IP, so I'm using a proxy but it sucks-can't reply to specific posts.

    August 22, 2013 at 2:45 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Why did they do that?

      August 22, 2013 at 2:50 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @The Real Tom –

      Is your IP static?

      August 22, 2013 at 2:52 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Did they ban the IP or the Mac address?

      August 22, 2013 at 2:54 pm |
      • Really-O?

        @Richard Cranium –

        In the early day of Daniel, I was banned...changing my MAC address did the trick.

        August 22, 2013 at 2:56 pm |
      • Common Sensed

        They don't block or ban IP or MAC addresses.

        August 22, 2013 at 2:57 pm |
        • Really-O?

          @Common Sensed –

          I believe you're mistaken. Several month's ago, immediately after a foofarah with Daniel, I was suddenly unable to post. Once I changed my MAC address, the problem was resolved. It may have been coincidence, but I doubt it.

          August 22, 2013 at 3:01 pm |
        • Common Sensed

          Change your name or email. That's the trigger. But hey, what do I know. I only do this for a living.

          August 22, 2013 at 3:07 pm |
        • Really-O?

          Sorry, Common Sensed, but changing my screen name and/or email address didn't work. If you do this for a living, then you understand there are a number of ways to filter traffic – MAC address is one of those ways.

          August 22, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
        • Common Sensed

          Really? Then you understand that ARP is non-routable and stays within your network. You also understand that it can't be seen beyond your router, nor can your internal IP address. You also understand that your external IP address is only visible to the internal network of your IP address. Via NAT, CNN would only be able to view your ISP's external IP address. You already know this, so I shouldn't need to explain any of it.

          Please, tell me exactly how CNN has access to your home network and can somehow through jesus magic see what your MAC address is. Please. I'm waiting.

          August 22, 2013 at 3:19 pm |
        • Really-O?

          @Common Sensed –

          I'm not an administrator, so perhaps, as I said above, it was merely coincidence; but, lord man, you do seem quite testy. Is a Napoleon Complex part and parcel of having to admit one spends his days as a "wordpress site admin"?

          August 22, 2013 at 3:49 pm |
    • Common Sensed

      They don't IP ban. If your posts get flagged enough, it triggers a block, but not an IP ban. If you're using a home computer, your IP changes every three days. CNN wouldn't block an ISP. That's just bad business.

      I know this because I'm a wordpress site admin. Trust me when I say this, you aren't worth the time it would take for a human to bother themselves with updating a firewall every three days just to search out your posts. If that were the case, your proxy spinner wouldn't do you any good. They'd be contacting your ISP to let them know about your trolling.

      Try being less abusive to fellow commenters. There's a thought.

      August 22, 2013 at 2:56 pm |


    August 22, 2013 at 2:36 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

      Proof that Hitler was a Christian?

      August 22, 2013 at 2:40 pm |


        August 22, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          That's not proof. That book was more of a manifesto which he intended to use to unite Germany. He recognized the power of Christianity in Germany and reckoned that it would be better to appear pro-Christian.

          August 22, 2013 at 2:47 pm |

          ARE YOU HITLER?

          August 22, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          No. Are you an idiot?

          August 22, 2013 at 3:01 pm |


          August 22, 2013 at 3:05 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          Intelligence has nothing to do with it. There's conflicting evidence regarding Hitler's personal beliefs.

          August 22, 2013 at 3:07 pm |
    • Zombie God

      This has been proven again and again. |Look it up yourself

      August 22, 2013 at 2:41 pm |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

        Hitler's personal beliefs are far from proven.

        August 22, 2013 at 2:42 pm |
  14. Reality

    Only for the new members of this blog:

    These guys should not have had the job in the first place:

    The NT to be correct is the story of a simple preacher man aka Jesus told by five different story tellers/embellishers named Paul, Mark, Matthew, Luke and John. They made this simple preacher man into a god to win converts to their cause, the new Judaism. Some years later a few of the many embellished passages were erroneously used to establish the male papacy. Tis time to bring Christianity back to Earth where it originated. Time for equal representation in the leadership. Time for democracy in the Catholic Church. Amen.

    August 22, 2013 at 2:30 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      The guy at the head retains the right to choose.

      August 22, 2013 at 2:48 pm |
      • Reality

        Francis knows he is pope only because of false scripture. We will see if he is up to task of admitting it and abdicating his position returning to the RCC members all the money they have spent keeping him and all the hierarchy in splendor for almost two thousand years.

        August 22, 2013 at 4:49 pm |
  15. ??

    If you claim to be a believer, please remember these verses.
    Proverbs 26: 4-12.
    When asked for proof remember Isaiah 55: 8-9 and John 20: 29
    When mocked and ridiculed by the atheist on this site remember Matt 5: 11-12
    Evidence of God is personal and anecdotal and some what empirical in that personal experience helps us glean more knowledge of God.
    None of us on this blog knows each other, nor do we have a clue as to what each persons life experience is, so as I read so many of these post I saddened by the insults and jabs at each other, I pray I am not guilty of that. If I am I ask for forgiveness against any I have made insulting statements too. I research and I read these posts and I have determined that I do not want to look at life through the eyes of an atheist. Like anything else, it is a choice we all have to make. I have many friends who are atheist and I love them. I do not push my faith on them and they do not ridicule me or mock me for my faith. There are only about 10 or 15 atheist who posts on these blogs. They do it so frequently that I wonder if this is their job. What a sad way to spend your life, telling people they are gullible or stupid or mindless or any of the other things believers and non believers has said to each other here,
    I just hope all will treat the people they encounter in real life, face to face, better than you seem to treat each other here.
    God Bless or Good Luck depending in your world view.
    Doobs, my apologies. I should not have insulted you yesterday. Though you did twist what I was trying to say, what should I expect when making such a strange point?

    August 22, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

      Empirical how?

      August 22, 2013 at 1:02 pm |
    • Reality

      From Professor Bruce Chilton in his book, Rabbi Jesus,

      "Conventionally, scholarship has accorded priority to the first three gospels in historical work on Jesus, putting progressively less credence in works of late date. John's Gospel for example is routinely dismissed as a source......

      From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_John#Authorship

      "Since "the higher criticism" of the 19th century, some historians have largely rejected the gospel of John as a reliable source of information about the historical Jesus.[3][4] "[M]ost commentators regard the work as anonymous,"[5] and date it to 90-100."

      "The authorship has been disputed since at least the second century, with mainstream Christianity believing that the author is John the Apostle, son of Zebedee. Modern experts usually consider the author to be an unknown non-eyewitness, though many apologetic Christian scholars still hold to the conservative Johannine view that ascribes authorship to John the Apostle."

      And from Professor Gerd Ludemann, in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 416,

      "Anyone looking for the historical Jesus will not find him in the Gospel of John. "
      See also http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/john.html

      August 22, 2013 at 2:16 pm |
      • Reality

        Matt 5: 11-12 fails rigorous historic analyses. For example, see Professor Gerd Ludemann's review in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, pp. 295-297.

        August 22, 2013 at 2:24 pm |
  16. Alias

    Of course god exists. If he didn't:
    how would we have ever had a perfect book that explains everything so clearly?
    look at all the people who have seen him. Outside of dreaming even.
    how could birds fly without angels under their wings?
    how could we know right from wrong?
    were all those miracles made up?
    why would the whole world believe in the same thing if it wasn't true?

    Now that i've settled that, what would happen if a jedi hit superman with his light saber?

    August 22, 2013 at 12:49 pm |
    • ME II

      Is it red?

      August 22, 2013 at 2:01 pm |
  17. The Real Tom

    fred, grow up. You wouldn't recognize intellect if it bit you in the ass.

    August 22, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      Hey, Tom...where've you been?

      August 22, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
    • Honey Badger Don't Care

      Yea, you been incognito?

      August 22, 2013 at 12:21 pm |
      • Richard Cranium

        Where's Cognito?

        August 22, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
        • Honey Badger Don't Care

          I think it's near Chicago

          August 22, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
    • Central Scrutinzer

      Oh look who it is!

      August 22, 2013 at 2:38 pm |
  18. Meaty Chud

    The vatican: Serving up buckets of old men's cock juice for morons to drink since the 2nd century.

    August 22, 2013 at 12:03 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

      Everybody needs a hobby.

      August 22, 2013 at 12:06 pm |
      • fred

        Maybe you should get one instead of spending 12 hours a day on this site.

        August 22, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that


          August 22, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
        • fred

          You must be a redditor.

          August 22, 2013 at 12:11 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that


          August 22, 2013 at 12:13 pm |
  19. fred

    I've never met an intelligent atheist. They don't exist.

    August 22, 2013 at 11:59 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that


      August 22, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
      • fred

        Typical atheist response. Using an awful, burned out cartoon written by idiots. Fitting.

        August 22, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that


          August 22, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
        • Richard Cranium

          Far better than using an often dis-proven book written by ignorant superst!tious people.

          August 22, 2013 at 12:15 pm |
        • Johnny

          I find the Simpsons to be more relevant to the real world than the bible is.

          August 22, 2013 at 1:23 pm |
    • truthprevails1

      Oh how you lie fred. I have two degree's, AtheistSteve is university educated. Not believing in your god doesn't mean we're not intelligent.
      Why do you require imaginary friends (ie; god, jesus)? Are you not an adult?

      August 22, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

        For what it's worth, I have a Master's, although I still consider myself an idiot.

        August 22, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
        • truthprevails1

          It's fred's constant claim here. I think I have a great deal of learning to do in this world but for fred to make such a claim only proves his own lack of intellect. We know that education is key in dispelling (sp??) Theistic beliefs. And I doubt you're an idiot...you seem rather rational on here.

          August 22, 2013 at 12:30 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          Nah, I'm an idiot. I'm just a conservative atheist in a boring job with a penchant for Stanley Kubrick and British folk music trying to make it in the world.

          August 22, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
        • Just the Facts Ma'am...


          August 22, 2013 at 1:09 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          I have to admit, I've never really given Pentagle a go. Listening to Pentagle is always on my 'to do' list but I still haven't gotten 'round to it. Personally, I'm a Fairport man with some Steeleye Span on the side.

          August 22, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
      • Dippy's Aide

        * degrees, not degree's

        August 22, 2013 at 12:32 pm |
        • truthprevails1

          Can we just send all future posts to you for editing? 🙂

          August 22, 2013 at 1:45 pm |
      • Fred

        I have one degree and it's 97.5.

        August 22, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
      • fred

        I assume you are addressing the fake fred as it is statistically proven atheists are more intelligent even though those statistics reflect bias demographics.
        As to imaginary friends there is a difference between imaginary and a very real presence. At issue is that you believe man is composed of only the physical whereas it is self evident that we are physical and spiritual in nature. We can argue over the nature and origin of that spirit but you cannot deny it.
        We are more than organic blobs responding to chemical stimuli.
        We are more than an accidental existence out of an impossible combination of random events.

        August 22, 2013 at 3:31 pm |
      • ME II

        "... it is self evident that we are physical and spiritual in nature"

        How exactly is it self evident?

        August 22, 2013 at 3:54 pm |
        • fred

          Mankind generally wants to know why we exist which comes from a reference point outside of the physical. That is a self evident reference point because it is not a location that can be triangulated with known vectors.

          August 22, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
    • Athy

      Don't get out much, do you fred?

      August 22, 2013 at 2:05 pm |
    • fred

      Fake fred you are out of your time zone and soiling a good name.

      August 22, 2013 at 2:56 pm |
  20. Andrew

    Saint John Paul, pray for us!

    August 22, 2013 at 11:46 am |
    • truthprevails1

      You want a protector of pedophiles to pray for you? Does supporting him make you feel closer to god?

      August 22, 2013 at 11:55 am |
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