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Do Christians, Muslims and Jews worship the same God?
September 1st, 2013
03:26 AM ET

Do Christians, Muslims and Jews worship the same God?

Opinion by Jeffrey Weiss, Special to CNN
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(CNN) - Pope Francis surprised Israeli and Palestinian leaders last month when he invited them to a special prayer ceremony at the Vatican this Sunday - not least because religion has often been the source, not the salve, of the region's conflicts.

Still, Pope Francis offered his "home" - the Vatican - as the perfect place to plea for some divine assistance, and Israeli President Shimon Peres and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas dutifully agreed to attend.

"The Pope has placed it in this perspective: Prayer is like a force for peace,” Vatican Secretary of State Archbishop Pietro Parolin told Vatican Radio.

"We hope that there, where human efforts have so far failed, the Lord offers to all the wisdom and fortitude to carry out a real peace plan."

But Sunday's special ceremony at the Vatican raises an interesting question: When Francis, Peres and Abbas bow their heads in prayer, will they be talking to the same God?

After all, Jews, Christians and Muslims all trace their faiths back to a fellow named Abraham, whom they all claim was chosen for special treatment by the Almighty.

Not academic

The “same God” question is one theologians have hammered at for as long as there have been enough religions for the query to make sense.

The question is hardly academic, though. In fact, a number of politicians, religious leaders and scholars have expressed hope in recent years that a convincing answer on the God question might dampen the violence committed in His name.

Yale Divinity School theologian Miroslav Volf recently edited a book titled “Do We Worship the Same God? Jews, Christians, and Muslims in Dialogue.”

In the introduction, Volf explained why the title question matters:

"To ask: ‘Do we have a common God?’ is, among other things, to worry: ‘Can we live together?’ That’s why whether or not a given community worships the same god as does another community has always been a crucial cultural and political question and not just a theological one."

On the other hand, there’s CNN Belief Blog contributor and Boston University religion professor Stephen Prothero.

His book on this subject is titled “God Is Not One: The Eight Rival Religions That Run The World.”

Prothero writes:

“For more than a generation we have followed scholars and sages down the rabbit hole into a fantasy world where all gods are one … In fact this naive theological groupthink – call it Godthink – has made the world more dangerous by blinding us to the clash of religions that threaten us worldwide.”

In the world of politics, President George W. Bush asserted the unity side of the argument more than once in the years after the 9/11 attacks - often as a way to deflect accusations that America was at war with Islam.

Bush told Al Arabiya television, “I believe there is a universal God. I believe the God that the Muslim prays to is the same God that I pray to. After all, we all came from Abraham. I believe in that universality.”

Pope Francis invites Israeli, Palestinian leaders to Vatican peace talks

Pope John Paul II drew from the same rhetorical well several times.

“We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection,” he first said in a speech to Muslims in Morocco in 1985.

Looking for a more recent example? Consider the plight of Vatican envoy to Malaysia.

Shortly after he arrived there last year, Archbishop Joseph Marino said that is was fine by him that Christian translations of the Bible into Malay use the word “Allah” for “God.”

“Allah” is, of course, the Arabic word for God and is found in the Quran. The Christian translators explained that since most Malaysians are Muslim, it’s the word they’re most comfortable with and therefore the best choice for the translation.

But many Muslim authorities in Malaysia were furious. They say Christians are slipping in the familiar word as a way to convert Muslims. And conversion of Muslims is all but illegal in Malaysia.

There’s a lawsuit ongoing about the translations. Marino had to apologize for pushing into Malaysian politics.

Points of disagreement

So what do the “Abrahamic” religions disagree about?

Among other things: the purpose of humanity, the relationship of God and humanity, sin, forgiveness, salvation, the afterlife, Jesus, Muhammad, the calendar, and the religious importance of Abraham himself.

Plus the nature of God.

Any summary will leave out enormous nuance. Internal divisions within religions have fueled some of the worst examples of human violence. Consider the long and frequently bloody history of troubles between Catholics and Protestants or the growing death toll of Muslim-on-Muslim attacks.

But there are common elements about God widely accepted in each tradition.

Judaism

Start with Judaism, since it came first and established roots that carried into the other two.

Jewish tradition teaches that there is one and only one God, creator of everything, and He established physical and moral laws. As Judaism’s preeminent prayer says: “The Lord our God, the Lord is one.”

This God walks and talks directly with His creations – for a while.

Eventually, He chooses one particular nomad (Abraham) to father a mighty nation that God sets up as an example to other nations.

This God likes the smell of burning meat and demands other extremely specific physical offerings as evidence of obedience and repentance. And He gives His chosen people a particular set of laws – but doesn’t mind discussion and even argument about those laws.

A famous rabbinic saying implies that every word in Judaism’s sacred texts can be understood in 70 correct (but related) ways. And human reasoning can even trump divine intention. (No kidding. It’s in the Talmud)

This God judges His people every year. Tradition says he’s willing to accept imperfection, as long as it comes with repentance.

He’s big on obedience, not so much on faith. He’s not nearly as attentive to the behaviors of non-Jews. (There’s a famous Jewish joke with the punch line “Would you mind choosing somebody else once in a while?”)

Tradition holds that there’s a World To Come after death where moral accounts will somehow be settled. But this God is vague on details.

Christianity

The most obvious differences in the Christian God are the traditional teachings about the Trinity and Jesus. God is three separate persons who are also one. How? Christianity says the Trinity is a “mystery” of faith.

According to Christian tradition, God begets a son who is somehow also Him but not Him to atone for Original Sin. He sacrifices that son though a brutal death and thus achieves humanity's salvation.

But the son, who also is God, rises from the dead. And that sacrifice redeems eternally all who accept and believe in it. Faith, not behavior, is the essential measure of salvation.

This God is willing to vastly expand what it means to be among His “chosen people.” He’s also willing to cancel many of the laws that had applied to that chosen group for this expanded membership.

Orthodox Jews say that God prohibits them from eating a cheeseburger; Christians say God has no problem with them wolfing down Big Macs.

Unlike the Jewish God, whose instructions are almost all about this world, the Christian God is focused more on eternal salvation: heaven and hell.

Finally, for this God, much of the Jewish scriptures (which are all God’s word) are actually about foreshadowing Jesus. Including Abraham.

Islam

The Muslim God is a bit more like the Jewish God.

There is no Trinity in Muslim tradition. Jesus was a prophet, but no more divine than other prophets.

God has never has had anything like physical attributes and has no gender. (Some Muslim commentators say that the noun “Allah” is masculine, but only in the way that all nouns in some languages include gender.)

Muslim tradition holds that God wants one thing from humans: Submission. The word “Islam” is defined as “submission to the will of God.”

For Muslims, all true prophets in Jewish and Christian traditions were actually Muslim because they knew to submit correctly to God. Differences between Muslim, Jewish and Christian interpretations of God are due to errors that crept into the other two faiths, Islam teaches.

The Muslim God, like the other two, initially demanded that Abraham sacrifice a son. But the Muslim God wanted Abraham’s son Ishmael, not Isaac, who Jewish tradition holds was offered as a the sacrifice.

The Muslim God also designated, from before the world began, a perfect man to be his final prophet: Muhammad. God’s perfect truths are found only in the Quran and in the sayings of Muhammad, the hadiths.

And the Muslim God, like the Christian God but unlike the Jewish God, will welcome believers to paradise and condemn many non-Muslims - exactly which ones is a matter of much discussion - to eternal torment.

Final answer

So do Christians Muslims, and Jews, really all worship the same God?

In two major volumes on the subject recently published by scholars from various faiths and traditions, including Volf’s, the most inclusive response from these scholars is basically: Yes, and it’s our God.

This is not a new way of answering the question.

In 1076, Pope Gregory VII wrote this to a Muslim leader: “We believe in and confess one God, admittedly, in a different way…”

But like many other religious leaders on all sides of the argument, Gregory insisted that his version of the Almighty is the one whom the others are unknowingly and incompletely worshiping.

A less exclusivist set of religions might shrug off the differences. But all three claim to have the only “True Faith.”

So do all three faiths actually worship the same deity, whether they call him God or Allah or Adonai?

God only knows.

Jeffrey Weiss is an award-winning religion reporter in Dallas.The views expressed in this column belong to Weiss. A version of this story first ran in September 2013. 

CNN's Daniel Burke contributed to this article. 

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • History • Islam • Judaism • Muslim • Religious violence • Torah • Vatican

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  1. Ron

    "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him Whom He has sent." ....Jesus (John 6:29)

    September 5, 2013 at 4:13 pm |
  2. hal 9001

    ALL THESE WORLDS ARE EVERYBODY'S
    INCLUDING URANUS
    USE THEM TOGETHER
    USE THEM IN PEACE

    [although, with respect to Pith-Face and Hairy Faith, no one would ever dream of attempting a landing there] **

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfe8tCcHnKY

    ** New! Idiomatic Expression Equivalency Module version 12.0.3

    September 5, 2013 at 12:00 pm |
  3. T-Roy

    Gee I wonder if the same deluded people who believe in Big foot also believe in the Loch Ness Monster?

    Anytime you trade fact and reason for unprovable fiction and delusion, you are lying to yourself. You are trading an uncomfortable truth for a comfortable lie. It is always better to know the truth. Why would you expect honesty from your police, judges, Doctors, and even your builder, but you will accept unprovable fiction in your religion. Why do you want to believe something that can not be proven just to make you feel good. Delusion is no different that someone who takes drugs. It is an escape and it is avoidance of reality. There is no honest justification for it.

    September 4, 2013 at 8:13 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      T,

      You are correct there is no justification for believing anything without a reason.

      September 4, 2013 at 8:27 pm |
    • Realist

      Man has worshiped thousands of gods and goddesses. Yes, like all the rest, this http://www.GODisIMAGINARY.com

      September 4, 2013 at 8:32 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Notice how Robby is being clever by not justifying why he believes in an alleged supernatural being for which there is no evidence at all.

      September 4, 2013 at 8:37 pm |
      • Robert Brown

        Monsignor Ace,

        I don't disparage your unbelief because I'm confident you have at least one reason for it. I've shared some of my reasons on here before and would be glad to share again. Are you seeking God?

        September 4, 2013 at 8:47 pm |
        • Kerr

          Why should anyone have to seek a god?

          September 4, 2013 at 8:49 pm |
        • HotAirAce

          Nope, not seeking what likely does not exist. Having a reason is not a necessarily a justification. A sound, factual, verifiable, independent and objective reason might justify your belief but the absence of same might mean you are mentally ill.

          September 5, 2013 at 8:58 am |
        • Nclaw441

          Kerr– Humans have been seeking God since the dawn of man. That does not prove that God exists or that He does not. But it does suggest that the search for God is hard-wired into most people, and that it is natural to seek Him.

          September 5, 2013 at 2:38 pm |
        • joe

          Kerr– Humans have been seeking God since the dawn of man. That does not prove that God exists or that He does not. But it does suggest that the search for God is hard-wired into most people, and that it is natural to seek Him.
          -------–
          Which proves what exactly? Just about every human trait there is hard wired. That's how evolution works.

          September 5, 2013 at 2:45 pm |
        • Just the Facts Ma'am...

          " But it does suggest that the search for God is hard-wired into most people, and that it is natural to seek Him."

          What a moronic premise. It's like saying just because children for centuries have been afraid of something being under their bed that the boogie man must be hard wired into humans. Humans have been peeking into the darkness and inventing what they think is there for thousands of years, this does not prove there really is something there.

          September 6, 2013 at 11:01 am |
    • Cheryl Magnuson

      So people believe. So what? It's not all about you. Get over yourself.

      September 4, 2013 at 8:51 pm |
      • Doobs

        It is about me when they try to encode their religious beliefs into civil law.

        September 5, 2013 at 11:43 pm |
    • amdutton

      FRED FRED FRED 🙂 "....; or he is his property. ...." for the slave is the man's property....the man will not be punished if the slave lives....for the slave is his own property. Calm down guy--and why you leave out the rest of verse 21 AND ALL OF VERSE 22?

      September 4, 2013 at 11:43 pm |
    • Sean Kems

      It's called faith. We believe without asking for proof because our proof is the change inside of us.

      Why do you think that everything has to be proven to be true?
      How do you know that your dad is really your dad? Did he have to take a DNA test before you believe he was your dad?
      You read world history from centuries ago, where you alive then or was your teacher from high school or college alive then? But yet you believe the history books you read. I can go on and on about things that you believe and that most people believe without ever been shown any proof. We can all start questioning everything, but what would that get us? And what do we have to lose in believing in God? Worse case scenario for us Christians is "nothing after death." But if we are right and you are wrong, worse case scenario for you would be "hell." Place your bet.

      September 5, 2013 at 1:19 am |
      • Rtfa

        ahhh, so you are hedging your bets... obviously the childhood indoctrination (or brainwashing to be more accurate) worked a treat

        September 5, 2013 at 2:45 am |
      • tallulah13

        History is more than just words in a book. History is supported by multiple contemporary sources. History is supported by archeological evidence. The further back an event is said to have taken place, the more evidence is required in order to separate myth and folklore from fact. Christianity has a single source - the bible - and makes claims of fantastical events which are not supported by physical evidence or even non-biblical accounts. Christianity claims events that are not supported in the records of avid chroniclers such as the Romans and Egyptians. The simple fact is this: Christianity cannot show that it is anything more than myth. You have simply chosen to believe that myth.

        September 5, 2013 at 10:11 am |
      • Ken

        Sean
        Things don't have to be proven for them to be true, yes. Evolution is true, and was true long before Darwin was even born, but it wouldn't have been reasonable to believe in it until he began his work. Who knows? Maybe God is real, but until some real evidence can be found to support that idea now is not the time to believe that he actually is real.

        September 6, 2013 at 4:14 pm |
    • Ken

      T-Roy
      It makes sense if you look at religion as a con. It isn't really gullible people who fall for con jobs and ponzi schemes, it's people's greed that leads them to claims about getting rich quick and easy that gets them to put aside their better judgment and put caution to the wind. Promises of eternal life, of prayers answered, your own planet, virgins, an end to suffering, and so forth are all things that people can become greedy for as well. They're all things that people fantasize about, and who's really interested in having their dreams evaluated by anyone who doesn't share them?

      September 5, 2013 at 10:24 am |
      • joe

        good point. And the biggest con of them all, the con of convincing the masses that their, working until they drop, poor, miserable lives are something admirable and necessary–while the con men (royalty) sits on the throne and enjoys the luxuries of life.

        September 5, 2013 at 3:41 pm |
        • Ken

          It's been argued that religion began when the first guy realized that he could convince people that something he was doing was helping them get more food, and that he could then get a share of it.

          September 5, 2013 at 4:12 pm |
  4. Anon

    Yes, they all worship the same mythological piece of shít desert god.

    September 4, 2013 at 7:39 pm |
    • Kenosis

      Angry much?

      September 4, 2013 at 8:08 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Do you hate worship, mythology, or God?

      September 4, 2013 at 8:30 pm |
      • Realist

        Man has worshiped thousands of gods and goddesses. Yes, like all the rest, this http://www.GODisIMAGINARY.com

        September 4, 2013 at 8:36 pm |
      • Athy

        I hate worship (don't indulge at all), I love mythology, and I don't believe in god.

        September 5, 2013 at 12:28 am |
      • Ken

        Robert
        I can enjoy the Iliad because I realize that it's myth, and that thousands of lives were not lost over some child bride running away from her jealous husband. If we treated the Bible as a book full of myths I think more people would enjoy it better knowing that you aren't meant to think that the slaughters and other horrible things written in it actually happened.

        September 5, 2013 at 4:40 pm |
    • Anon

      Probably when that said man made concept is used as a basis for wars, bigotry, hómophobia, etc.
      I really don't care if you worship that mythological farce till you're blue just try not to shoehorn that concept into sociopolitical issues.

      September 4, 2013 at 8:42 pm |
  5. MOD R RATION

    The first name of God was Jupiter equal to Marduk, Zeus or ALLESHIO.That is why ALLEXANDER is ISHKANDAR or ABD ALLA.A country named after ALLE is ALLEMAND or Germany.Germany was settled by Assyrian tribes which took Goddess ISHTAR and called her ESTHER and celebrate the ceremony of the fertility Goddess with Easter eggs. ANDAR or under is ABD or Slave.
    Prophet Abraham(Birth name Bram married to Saras) took ISH and named his sons ISH MAHA EL(MAHA EL IS GREAT GOD) and ISH HAKKU(Loved by ISH which was the name of the tax collector in Sumeria(IRAQ).That is why no one cheated on their taxes.
    Prophet Mohammed took ALLA or ALLAH for his God.
    The name for the Devil came from Saturn which became SATAN or SHAITAN
    Also in the oldest scriptures there is no ADAM and EVE but ADAM and LILITH
    LILITH asked ADAM for Equal rights so LILITH was let go and Eve was created from ADAM’S lower rib
    So WOMEN would be permanently inferior to MEN
    All new religions came from differences in families.
    Abraham split with his Father TERA as he Married Sara his half-sister, Prophet Mohammed split with his family (Quraysh)
    The division between Catholics and Protestants was due to Overspending by the Vatican and a subsequent SIN TAX ERROR.
    Why are Irish Killing each other Today?–because King Henry wanted to take an extra wife hundreds of years back?

    September 4, 2013 at 6:18 pm |
    • HeavenScent

      You get a "F" for your history.
      You do write nice fiction ... well no, you write very poorly, as a matter of fact.
      (Al-Ilah was the crescent phase of the moon-god named "Sin" ... the Arabic god they all worshiped, before Allah. It
      It's where ole Mo got his new god. They had the SAME 3 star-god daughters. Read the "Satanic Verses".

      September 4, 2013 at 11:27 pm |
      • G to the T

        Perhaps but I'd only give you a "C" HS if you can't tell me why those verses were originally written and why they were later removed...

        September 5, 2013 at 2:33 pm |
  6. Theadore Realist

    Man has worshiped thousands of deities (gods and goddesses) ...

    ... including 110 Creator/Designer gods ... and 25 "Jesus-like man-gods".

    FACT. Just like the other 109 Creator gods, your god (the judeo-christian-islamic) ...

    ................................. http://www.GodIsImaginary.com.

    September 4, 2013 at 4:12 pm |
    • Theadore Realist

      ... and thank goodness because that god emanates from the ... http://www.EVILbible.com

      September 4, 2013 at 4:14 pm |
  7. Observer

    Will,

    It's incredible that anyone could be so heartless and brainless as to support slavery.

    What does the Bible say the PUNISHMENT should be if a slave owner uses a rod to break the arms and legs of an elderly woman slave and she doesn't die in a day or so?

    September 4, 2013 at 2:39 pm |
    • Will

      What passage is it that you're referring to?
      And what are you trying to say?

      September 6, 2013 at 10:31 am |
    • Donald Duck

      Well it IS an extremely cowardly book.

      September 6, 2013 at 1:21 pm |
      • sam stone

        yep. people do not want to take the punishment they feel they deserve, so they get a scapegoat to take it.

        September 6, 2013 at 1:32 pm |
      • Will

        What's so cowardly about it?

        September 6, 2013 at 2:13 pm |
  8. Sue

    I won't let you slide in a cowardly backtrack like that, Will. Grow some courage and face up to what you just admitted. The contradictions and differences are severe, and you know it.

    September 4, 2013 at 1:31 pm |
  9. Dyslexic doG

    There are actually two versions of Genesis in the Bible. The first is in Chapter 1 and the second is in Chapter 2. In the first version, God creates man and woman together, but in the second version, he creates man first, but Adam becomes lonely and he creates Eve out of Adam’s rib. In the first version he creates man and woman after all the animals, but in the second version, he creates man, then the trees and beasts and then woman. The creation of the birds also precedes or follows the creation of Adam, depending on which version of the myth one reads.

    It is in the second version that we get the appearance of the snake and the temptation of Eve. In the oldest versions of Genesis that we have, the author of the first creation story used the word “Elohim” as the name for the Jewish God and in the second version the author used the name “Yahweh”. This, along with other aids, has enabled scholars to attribute the first creation story to the so called “Elohist” source (or the Priestly source as a redactor of the Elohist source) and the second to the earlier “Yahwist” source.

    They were both inspired by earlier creation myths from Arcadia, Sumer and Persia. The creation myths of the bible appear to be largely compilateions of (i) the Enuma Elish; (ii) the Epic of Gilgamesh – another Babylonian myth in which a flood wipes out the entire planet, except Gilgamesh and his family, who survive by building an ark; (iii) the saga of Adapa and the South Wind – a myth involving two central characters, Adapa and Ea, in which Ea tells Adapa not to eat food while in heaven and Adapa thus loses immortality; and (iv) the story of Atrahasis, an earlier Sumerian myth involving a great flood and mankind being made from a mixture of clay and blood of the gods.

    The Epic of Gilgamesh is often cited as the first book ever written. It pre-dates Genesis by hundreds of years. Typical of literature of that region and epoch, it is more in the nature of an epic poem and was originally written on twelve stone tablets. Tablet 11 recounts how the god Ea warns one of the characters, Utnapishtim, that a great flood is coming. She tells him to build an ark of very precise dimensions and seal it with pitch and bitumen. Utnapishtim's family and workers go board the ark, along with “all the animals of the field”. Once they are safely inside, a violent storm arises that lasts six days and seven nights and destroys all of humanity, except the people and creatures on the ark. The ark eventually comes to rest on a mountain and, after seven more days, Utnapishtim releases a dove, a swallow and a raven. When the latter fails to return, he opens the ark and releases its inhabitants to repopulate the planet.

    September 4, 2013 at 11:55 am |
    • Robert Brown

      Malarky

      September 4, 2013 at 2:03 pm |
      • Ken

        It's Genesis 1-2:3 vs Genesis 2:4-25, one right after the other, not a single account. It can't be when one says that humans were created before the other animals and the other says we were created after. It can't be when one states that God created man and woman at the same time while the other states that man was created first, then other animals, and then woman. There is no way you can argue that this is a single account without contradiction.

        September 4, 2013 at 2:48 pm |
        • Robert Brown

          Ken,

          Genesis 1:1 is creation. The balance of the chapter gives us a little more detail, not much to be sure. Then in chapter 2 and on the focus is on humans. Obviously, the subject of genesis & the other 65 books of the bible is not the universe or all the living things on earth. The subject is God & his interaction with us.

          September 4, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
        • Ken

          Robert Brown
          It's not just a matter of detail between the two accounts; they directly contradict each other, as I mentioned above. Ch 2 is a retelling of the story to make a specific point about man's dominance over women, but it has to change the order of things from Ch 1 in order to do that. It's like the two different nativity accounts in the gospels. They conflict, but most Christians seem to mash them together into one story, creating a separate nativity where wise men and shepherds visited the baby. Cherry picking at it's finest.

          September 4, 2013 at 6:31 pm |
        • Robert Brown

          No Ken, it isn't about the dominance of men over women. God didn't use Adams toenail to make him lord over the woman. God didn't use a part of Adams skull to make the woman lord over the man. He used a rib to make them companions, husband & wife become one flesh. One is not complete without the other.

          September 4, 2013 at 7:20 pm |
        • Ken

          Robert Brown
          They would have been made better companions by leaving it at Genesis Ch 1, both created at the same time. The writer of the second account wanted to stress male superiority. So, he began with downgrading woman's creation as an afterthought of God's and went on to Eve's temptation, which firmly places all the blame for the Fall on her, with Adam's only fault in listening to her.

          As an aside, you might want to compare this story with that of Pandora. It was a pretty common theme in mythology for male-dominated societies to place all the blame for hardship firmly on women. Cautionary tales about what happens when men let women voice their opinions and act without male supervision.

          September 5, 2013 at 9:44 am |
  10. Dyslexic doG

    Let's talk about Horus from Egypt in 3000 BC (Jesus is a copy of Horus), or Attis from Greece in 1500 BC (Jesus is a copy of Attis), or Mithra from Persia in 1200BC (Jesus is a copy of Mithra), or Krishna from India in 900BC (Jesus is a copy of Krishna), or Dionysus from Greece in 500 BC (Jesus is a copy of Dionysus) .... or any of the DOZENS of other gods predating the bronze age book character Jesus who were born of a virgin on Dec 25, traveled as a teacher, had 12 disciples, performed miracles, was killed and lay dead for 3 days and was resurrected.

    none of this is even original! What a joke!

    September 4, 2013 at 11:52 am |
    • Kenosis

      Quit your lying, Jesus is not a copy of any of those things.

      Normally I would call you ignorant but after so many times of yammering about Jesus being a copy of...whatever and you offering no proof, I have no reason not to call you a liar at this point.

      1."who were born of a virgin on Dec 25"

      Jesus was not born on the 25th. None of the other characters were either.

      2. "traveled as a teacher"

      None of the other characters you mentioned did that either. Perhaps Dionysus but that was within his mysteries cult that was highly secretive and not out in the open.

      "had 12 disciples"

      None of the other characters you mentioned at 12 disciples.

      "performed miracles"

      Pretty va gue on that one aren't you?

      "was killed and lay dead for 3 days and was resurrected."

      None of the other characters did this either.

      And what is most terrible is how you ignore the Jewish element in all this. Christianity was an offshoot of Judaism. The founders of Christianity were jewish. This means they would not be experts on other faiths because they rejected them. The notion of willfully incorporating other faiths within their own makes NO sense whatsoever.

      If you wish to continue this line of thought, how about you provide some archaeological evidence like some ancient writings that involve Horus as being born of a virgin. Or perhaps some statues showing Dionysus with 12 followers. How about ANYTHING that would offer some credence to your as sertions other than some weak websites that say stuff but offers nothing.

      Good luck.

      September 4, 2013 at 1:15 pm |
      • Sue

        Well, Kenosis, how about you provide some modern evidence for your sky fairy's existence, and further, explain why he needs a musty old book to get his absurd story out.

        September 4, 2013 at 1:17 pm |
        • Kenosis

          1. I have no sky fairy
          2. Don't know of any musty old book.
          3. How would any of that create evidence to any of dog's assertions?

          September 4, 2013 at 2:06 pm |
        • Sue

          Every one of your "points" is a cowardly cop out. Grow some courage and try to respond to what you've been challenged about, instead of your wimp-outs and dodging.

          September 4, 2013 at 2:33 pm |
        • Kenosis

          Sue, how were any of my points a "cop out"?
          I clarified the things you ignorantly guessed at and stated facts.

          I will say you have courage but you might want to grow a few brain cells.

          September 4, 2013 at 2:53 pm |
        • lol?? Pithiest, YES!!

          lol?? Pithiest, YES!!
          Your comment is awaiting moderation.
          Suey Q sayz,
          ".................provide some modern evidence................." One of yer mob pals sayz modern man goes back 250K years. So pick up the scripture, silly. Read, weep, gnash teeth, now or later.

          September 4, 2013 at 3:37 pm |
      • Ken

        Kenosis
        Try Lord Raglan's The Hero, A Study in Tradition, Myth and Drama In it he outlined 22 common traits of god-heroes. They are:
        1. The hero's mother is a royal virgin;
        2. His father is a king, and
        3. Often a near relative of his mother, but
        4. The circu mstances of his conception are unusual, and
        5. He is also reputed to be the son of a god.
        6. At birth an attempt is made, usually by his father or his maternal grandfather, to kill him, but
        7. He is spirited away, and
        8. Reared by foster parents in a far country.
        9. We are told nothing of his childhood, but
        10. On reaching manhood he returns or goes to his future kingdom.
        11. After a victory over the king, and/or a giant, dragon, or wild beast,
        12. He marries a princess, often the daughter of his predecessor, and
        13. Becomes king.
        14. For a time he reigns uneventfully, and
        15. Prescribes laws, but
        16. Later loses favor with the gods and/or his subjects, and
        17. Is driven from the throne and city, after which
        18. He meets a mysterious death,
        19. Often at the top of a hill.
        20. His children, if any, do not succeed him.
        21. His body is not buried, but nevertheless
        22. He has one or more holy sepulchers.

        He scored several heroes according to his profile, and he found:

        Oedipus 21, Theseus 20, Romulus 18, Heracles 17, Perseus 18, Jason 15, Bellerophon 16, Pelops 13, Asclepius 12, Dionysus 19, Apollo 11, Zeus 15, Joseph 12, Moses 20, Elijah 9, Watu Gunung 18, Nyikang 14, Sigurd or Siegfried 11, Llew Llawgyffes 17, King Arthur 19, and Robin Hood 13.

        He was careful not to personally score Jesus on this scale, but it's pretty obvious that he would score very high on it indeed.

        September 4, 2013 at 2:55 pm |
        • Kenosis

          I'm familiar with his work, though this still doesn't show that Christianity took from any of the other religions of the time.

          There is a twofold problem with much of this. It is possible that Christianity at some level took from other faiths. All Saints Day and in fact some of the "saints" were taken from other faiths directly.
          But when people go on about Horus and the like, their info is horribly lacking any actual evidence.

          September 4, 2013 at 3:09 pm |
        • Ken

          Come now, it's been widely accepted that Christianity borrowed, or at least shared numerous characteristics with myths. C.S. Lewis even went so far as to say that the Christ story was a myth; one that just so happened to be true (although he could never actually demonstrate this) Listen to his own words:

          Now as myth transcends thought, Incar nation transcends myth. The heart of Christianity is a myth which is also a fact. The old myth of the Dying God, without ceasing to be myth, comes down from the heaven of legend and imagination to the earth of history. It happens – at a particular date, in a particular place, followed by definable historical conseq uences. We pass from a Balder or an Osiris, dying nobody knows when or where, to a historical Person crucified (it is all in order) under Pontius Pilate. By becoming fact it does not cease to be myth: that is the miracle. I suspect that men have sometimes derived more spiritual sustenance from myths they did not believe than from the religion they professed. To be truly Christian we must both as sent to the historical fact and also receive the myth (fact though it has become) with the same imaginative embrace which we accord to all myths. The one is hardly more necessary than the other …

          Those who do not know that this great myth became Fact when the Virgin conceived are, indeed, to be pitied … We must not be ashamed of the mythical radiance resting on our theology. We must not be nervous about ‘parallels’ and ‘Pagan Christs’: they ought to be there – it would be a stumbling block if they weren’t. We must not, in false spirituality, withhold our imaginative welcome. If God chooses to be mythopoeic — and is not the sky itself a myth — shall we refuse to be mythopathic? For this is the marriage of heaven and earth: Perfect Myth and Perfect Fact: claiming not only our love and our obedience, but also our wonder and delight, addressed to the sav age, the child, and the poet in each one of us no less than to the moralist, the scholar, and the philosopher.

          All of his argument here hinges on there not being any embellishment to the actual events of Jesus' death which, as you can appreciate, isn't as blindly accepted these days as it was in Lewis's. As professional biblical scholarship stands now, few would argue that the gospel accounts are 100% accurate, and that nothing was borrowed from other faiths and mythologies. Lewis was half-way there in his thinking, it seems.

          September 5, 2013 at 10:02 am |
      • Ken

        Kenosis
        See also my C.S. Lewis quote below. Even armchair scholars like him never attempted to deny that Christ shares a large number of similarities with other gods and heros. I know that it's become trendy to just flat-out deny these, but most of this just comes from the internet and, to anyone who bothers to fact check these claims, they will find that these are just attempts to rewrite classical mythology. Go to a library, check out some actual books on mythology, and read it all for yourself.

        September 5, 2013 at 4:05 pm |
  11. David Christian L. Tobing

    We can see 7 color of the rainbow from 1 ray of the Sun. Is it red, blue or green not from that ray? I believe God works with His plan not human plan. God loves us all.

    September 4, 2013 at 11:44 am |
    • Dyslexic doG

      when Neanderthals looked out from their cave at a rainbow I am sure they thought at the same level. Don't you think it's time you moved past primitive voodoo and into the age of science and reason?

      September 4, 2013 at 11:47 am |
    • Jeremy

      God is Glory. Ptl.

      September 4, 2013 at 11:52 am |
    • Doobs

      Good grief, pick up a basic science book. The "mystery" of light refracting through water droplets was solved long ago.

      Tide goes in, tide goes out.

      September 4, 2013 at 11:59 am |
      • Jeremy

        I think it was allegory, Miss Doobs.

        September 4, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
    • ME II

      It is not "1 ray", but millions of photons at various wavelengths, some of which we can't see with our eyes, which evolved to detect primarily red, green, and blue wavelengths and combinations thereof.

      September 4, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      He needs a new plan.

      September 4, 2013 at 1:50 pm |
    • Ken

      I like God's flag then, the one with the rainbow stripes I always see being flown during Pride Parades! 🙂

      September 4, 2013 at 3:04 pm |
      • Doobs

        The bible says that when Jeebus returns, he'll be sitting on a throne surrounded by a rainbow. Coincidence? I think not!

        September 4, 2013 at 4:33 pm |
  12. Agnostickids

    Well...let's see. Do all three gods advocate killing and bigotry?

    Yes.

    Then all three are the same and their followers are being sadly misled by a religion of hate, not love.

    September 4, 2013 at 10:36 am |
  13. spam filter

    The "JustTheFacts" method of verifying "truth":

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YIj4rLYo0c

    September 4, 2013 at 9:58 am |
  14. Doc Vestibule

    Same source material (Torah/Old Testament), different sequels.
    Christianity elevates Christ to the status of demi-god whereas Islam reveres him as one of God's prophets, messengers and leaders. Islam pays more heed to Mohammad as they believe he was the last of God's prophets.

    The Christian concept of a triune God is hard to swallow for most monotheists.
    Even Christianity admits that the Trinity is an ineffable mystery whose "Truth" must be taken on faith and never questioned.
    Even for someone prone to believe in the supernatural, such an idea stretches the bounds of willful suspension of disbelief.

    September 4, 2013 at 9:51 am |
    • Ken

      My favorite way of explaining it is that the concept of God as a Trinity makes about as much sense as a triangle existing in one dimension.

      Somehow, these folks have all bought into the idea that, if you can state something in a grammatically correct sentence, like "The man travelled north of the North Pole", that it automatically makes some kind of sense. Amazing!

      September 4, 2013 at 10:24 am |
    • JR

      Christians like think using water is a good example–water exists in three states, etc. Of course, water is no different than most other substances–they all CAN exist in three states, but the problem is that they exist in only one state at a time under particular conditions of pressure and temperature. The analogy falls flat.

      September 4, 2013 at 10:55 am |
      • Vic

        The "Creator" and the "created" are never equal, conceptually and actually!

        September 4, 2013 at 11:50 am |
        • Timothy

          It doesn't seem like you think for yourself much.

          September 4, 2013 at 11:55 am |
        • In Santa we trust

          Vic, There is no evidence of a creator or of purposeful creation.

          September 4, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
      • SmoothGroove

        Under certain pressure and temperature, water can exist in three different forms at the same time. It is called the triple point. True enough, no analogy can best describe the concept of the triune God so all of them will fall flat at some point. Faith in God is not blind though as many believe but there is also a supernatural component that enables the faith of a Christian. We don't have to understand it fully to believe it but the belief is not without reason.

        September 4, 2013 at 12:45 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          The reason is delusion.

          September 4, 2013 at 12:57 pm |
        • Timothy

          You realize other religions also have supernatural elements, right? Do you accept their explanations?

          September 4, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
    • Vic

      The "Holy Trinity," just like "Eternity," is one of God's "imponderables." That in itself is a testimony to God's "Truth" for man CAN NOT come up with such a thing on his own!

      September 4, 2013 at 11:43 am |
      • JR

        Pretty weak testimony, I'd say.

        September 4, 2013 at 11:47 am |
      • Dyslexic doG

        you really have to be kidding, right?

        September 4, 2013 at 11:50 am |
      • Doc Vestibule

        So, the more absurd a proposition, the more true it is?

        September 4, 2013 at 12:03 pm |
      • ME II

        @Vic,
        So, God is a rational conclusion because the explanation is irrational?

        September 4, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
      • Ken

        Vic
        Oh, it was probably pretty easy to state that God is a Trinity. It's only a matter of stringing words together, like saying "The four-sided triangle was north of the North Pole", but the results don't always make actual sense, do they?

        September 5, 2013 at 9:04 am |
      • Britney

        Vic

        With all due respect this is a ridiculous statement. The Bible says God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints 1Cor14:33! How can you serve God if you can't even understand Who He is? And honestly who would want to? You can't win anyone to God by saying "just believe it, don't question it, you'll never understand it, just believe it"

        I say Question God!! Ask Him to show you! and then when He does...dedicate your life to preaching the truth...not tradition, not religion but truth.

        The trinity is a false doctrine invented by the "church/government" at the council of Nicea in 325 AD so that the pagans would feel more comfortable allowing the church into their system. If they could make everyone happy by lying to them then there would be no problems. The doctrine of the trinity didn't even exist in the first church. They all knew that God was One...that Jesus was God manifested in the flesh. The word trinity isn't even in the Bible and nowhere in the Bible does it say that God has "imponderables". I do understand that God is bigger than our human brains can fathom but it is not impossible to understand Who God is....He is One! The Jews are God's chosen people and they understand that....the "holy trinity" is the #1 reason Jews will not accept Christianity....It contradicts the Shema or Deut 6:4-5....Shema Yisrael Adonai Elohenu Adonai Echad ....The Lord our God is ONE Lord! And Judaism is based on this simple truth...That there is only one God! NOT 3. Oh Praise Him!!!

        http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic/trinity.html <-–this explains the history of the "trinity" and why its pagan

        September 7, 2013 at 3:21 pm |
  15. Joe from CT, not Lieberman

    All three faiths claim to worship the God of Abraham in whatever form they take. However, their interpretation of how that God should be worshiped varies widely. But as a further argument, even among Christian denominations, there is wide divergence in how God should be worshiped. These vary from the ritualized formality of the Roman and Orthodox Catholic Churches to the simplicity of some Protestant denominations, to the free form among some of the Pentecostal churches. And each of them claims that they are the only "CORRECT" way. If that is the case, how can dialog about worshiping of God be possible between Christians, Jews and Muslims when they cannot agree with themselves?

    September 4, 2013 at 9:09 am |
    • JustTheFacts

      Ephesians 4:5 clearly states there is only "one Lord (Jesus), one Faith (the Apostle's Doctrine), and one Baptism (the Baptism in Jesus Name)". All others are of the devil. The reason there are so many false religions and false beliefs in the world today is because all those who are false do not have the one Lord, the one Faith, and the one Baptism.

      In short, there is only one teaching and one doctrine that everyone should be following: the Apostle's Doctrine. When Jesus was here, he gave that doctrine only to the Apostles. Even the Apostle Paul stated, that if any man teach any other teaching or doctrine other than what the apostles have taught and left in the scriptures, let him be accursed. For example, Islam is a false religion and is accursed because they do not follow the Apostle's Doctrine. The Jehovah Witness religion is false and accursed because they do not follow the Apostle's Doctrine. The list goes on. Every faith and religion upon earth that do not follow the Apostle's Doctrine is false and of the devil and is bound for the lake. In contrast, all those who do follow the Apostle's Doctrine, we are in full agreement and there is no confusion…

      September 4, 2013 at 9:27 am |
      • Observer

        JustTheFacts,

        That same Bible supports slavery and discrimination against women, gays and the handicapped. It says the moon and sun stopped still for a day. It says that unicorns, talking serpents and dragons existed.

        Ooops!

        September 4, 2013 at 9:31 am |
      • tallulah13

        There are 41,000 estimated versions of christianity. Yours is simply yet another interpretation of "the word of god". The original poster was entirely correct.

        September 4, 2013 at 9:39 am |
      • In Santa we trust

        All religions claim to worship the only true god – proof needs to be verifiable outside of your religious texts.

        September 4, 2013 at 9:40 am |
      • Damocles

        So someone writes in a book 'I think this....' and really, be honest with yourself, the only reason you agree is because it sounds good to you. A self-fulfilling prophecy, I believe because I believe. Doesn't mean it's true.

        I still haven't heard why or how 'divine words' meet the criteria for that label. Let's say some guy named Frank says he was divinely inspired, is that enough to carry the day? What possible tests could be performed to determine the veracity of his statement? Wouldn't it be in your best interest to agree with anyone that says they are divinely inspired on the off chance that they are?

        September 4, 2013 at 9:42 am |
    • lngtrmthnkr

      Because of all the differences in people from their perspectives of environment and the differences in abilities and talents such as artistic and philosophical perspectives, it is only natural that they would seek to worship god in different ways in different churches or at home by themselves. All religions are right that allow personal worship . Almost 7 billion people and no 2 are exactly the same.

      September 4, 2013 at 1:24 pm |
      • JustTheFacts

        lngtrmthnkr... There is only one God. And only one way to worship that God – in spirit and in truth. Either you worship that God according to the way he wants you to worship him, or your worshipping means nothing and you're worshipping the devil…

        September 4, 2013 at 3:28 pm |
        • joe

          Either you worship that God according to the way he wants you to worship him, or your worshipping means nothing and you’re worshipping the devil…
          ------
          Illogical. By definition God would not want for anything, let alone worship. God is the all knowing, all powerful creator. God invented worship and experienced every form of worship ad infinitum. Those are the powers that come with being God.

          It is illogical to assert that an all knowing all powerful God wants anything. It is illogical to assert that an all knowing all powerful God wants/needs/enjoys/requires worship because you are asserting that God wants worshiping infinity plus one more time.

          September 4, 2013 at 3:35 pm |
        • Athy

          Why, assuming god even exists, do we need to worship him? Does he need to be worshipped? Does he want to be worshipped? Worship, worship, worship, worship. What a bunch of bullshit.

          September 7, 2013 at 1:34 am |
  16. JustTheFacts

    FACT: There are many gods. But only one true and living God.

    FACT: 99% of all the people upon the earth worship the devil, Lucifer, whether they're aware of it or not. Only 1% worship the true and living God. Just because you think and believe you're worshipping God, that doesn't mean that you are. If God doesn't recognize it, then what you're doing means nothing.

    FACT: 99% of all the people upon the earth are bound for hell and the lake. Only 1% will ultimately be saved.

    FACT: There are countless religions and beliefs and teachings upon the earth. Only one is of God. All others are of the devil.

    FACT: Doing good deeds and doing the best you can won't save you. To be saved, you have to follow the scriptures and do what God said.

    FACT: God exists. And you will someday meet your maker. If you don't believe that, then you've dumber than a door nail.

    September 4, 2013 at 8:56 am |
    • Observer

      JustTheFacts,

      You don't have a clue in the world what the word "FACT" means. Please get an education. Look up the word "OPINION". Pathetic.

      September 4, 2013 at 8:58 am |
    • truthprevails1

      Took your crazy pill today I see...you're a pathetic, brainwashed gullible fool and a liar to top it off. You don't have any facts there, just your uneducated opinion.

      September 4, 2013 at 9:03 am |
    • Damocles

      Just 99%? Just narrow it down even further with a bunch of 9's after the decimal point until you arrive at what you really want to say, that only you worship the one true deity.

      September 4, 2013 at 9:04 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      I wouldn't worship your miserable god even if I thought it was real.

      September 4, 2013 at 9:05 am |
    • Observer

      "Doing good deeds and doing the best you can won't save you."

      That says a lot about your religion and it's not good.

      September 4, 2013 at 9:06 am |
    • Brother Maynard

      "99% of all the people upon the earth worship the devil, Lucifer, whether they're aware of it or not. Only 1% worship the true and living God. Just because you think and believe you're worshipping God, that doesn't mean that you are. If God doesn't recognize it, then what you're doing means nothing."
      So JTF just curious ...
      In your opinion are you the 1% or the 99% ?

      September 4, 2013 at 9:09 am |
      • truthprevails1

        According to his book of fables he has sinned and so the 99% is in fact him...unless of course judge not lest ye be judged doesn't apply.

        September 4, 2013 at 10:45 am |
      • Ken

        Brother
        How can somebody actually worship some god without knowing it? Wouldn't that be like my claiming that you're actually worshipping Lord Brahma when you pray to Jesus (and some Hindus would say exactly that BTW)?

        September 4, 2013 at 11:24 am |
      • Ken

        Oops, that was intended for the original poster, not you Brother.

        September 4, 2013 at 11:26 am |
    • tallulah13

      The original poster is either a troll, a liar or a tragically ignorant individual who probably needs adult supervision. I'm betting that it's a troll.

      September 4, 2013 at 9:24 am |
    • hal 9001

      I'm sorry "JustTheFacts", but your assertions are nonsensical and absurd. Perhaps you are a "Poe"? (As other posters have stated previously, "no one is this stupid".)

      September 4, 2013 at 9:31 am |
    • Just the Facts Ma'am...

      JustTheFacts forgot to put any facts in his post so I will help him out.

      FACT: There is no evidence of any gods.

      FACT: 99% of religious folk are simply to afraid to go to sleep without their pacifier in their mouths, aka God belief.

      FACT: There is no heII.

      FACT: Human DNA contains between 1% – 4% neanderthal DNA proving our two species interbred.

      FACT: Geologists have shown there has been no global flood, at least in the last 150,000 years.

      FACT: Our DNA disproves the Genesis account for how life began and thus disproves the Adam & Eve myth which in turn discards the premise of inherited sin and thus the need for a savior.

      September 4, 2013 at 1:09 pm |
  17. Reality

    Only for the new members of this blog:

    Putting the kibosh on all religion in less than ten seconds: Priceless !!!

    • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated/reborn Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

    • A constant cycle of reincarnation until enlightenment is reached and belief that various beings (angels?, tinkerbells? etc) exist that we, as mortals, cannot comprehend makes for a no on Sikhism.

    Added details available upon written request.

    September 4, 2013 at 6:53 am |
    • Ray Comfort is your greatest nightmare!!!

      Watch Evolution Vs. God on youtube.

      September 4, 2013 at 8:11 am |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        I did, it was really funny... in a sad, pathetic kind of way.

        September 4, 2013 at 8:47 am |
    • JustTheFacts

      Reality... And thank you for letting us know that you don't know very much. People who don't know very much should keep it to themselves...

      September 4, 2013 at 8:53 am |
      • Reality

        Added details as requested:

        1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

        “New Torah For Modern Minds

        Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

        Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

        The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “
        prob•a•bly
        Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.

        2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

        The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.

        earlychristianwritings.com/

        For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

        Current RCC problems:

        Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

        2 b., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

        Current problems:
        Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

        3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

        This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, the Filipino “koranics”and the Boston Marthon bombers.

        And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

        Current crises:

        The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

        4. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) – "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

        The caste/laborer system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

        Current problems:

        The caste system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence.

        5. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

        "However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

        Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circu-mstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

        Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

        Then, apply the Five F rule: "First Find the Flaws, then Fix the Foundations". And finally there will be religious peace and religious awareness in the world!!!!!

        September 4, 2013 at 10:56 am |
    • hharri

      Yes but Horus was Buddha preparing for Confuseie who say get along you idiots way before Zacharias met john the baptizer.

      Proof available to me only and for a small fee to buy my book, why I am god and you're not

      September 4, 2013 at 9:34 am |
  18. joe222

    No, no we do not worship the same God.

    Jews and Muslims reject the truth that Jesus Christ is God. Thus, Jews and Muslims have a formed a false god to satisfy their desires.

    Jesus said, if you don't Him, then you don't know God. If you don't have Him, you don't have eternal life.

    September 4, 2013 at 6:51 am |
    • truthprevails1

      How do you know jesus said that? Nothing was written about him until 30-40 years after he died (if he even existed)...so what makes you so sure or are you simply gullible enough to accept that a book written 2000 years ago is accurate?

      September 4, 2013 at 7:36 am |
      • JustTheFacts

        truth... And where is your proof that Jesus didn't say it? People like you are so quick to try and dispute truth, all because you're an unbeliever and you don't want to believe it. But if you have no counter-proof to back up your argument, then you have no argument...

        September 4, 2013 at 8:42 am |
        • Observer

          JustTheFacts,

          No problem. Just supply the quote from the Bible.

          September 4, 2013 at 8:46 am |
        • Brother Maynard

          PLEEAZEE !!
          You want proof
          Please direct me to the Gospel of Jesus. Jesus didn't write ONE WORD!! Nothing !!
          Basically the son of the most powerful thing in the universe ( according to you ) was illiterate.
          IF someone doesn't say something is that not proof that he didn't say it ?

          September 4, 2013 at 8:51 am |
        • truthprevails1

          I'm not the one making the claim, thus the burden of proof does not lie on me. It's not a matter of not wanting to believe it, it's a matter of there simply is no other evidence supporting it. Why believe something that was written decades after the man apparently died? Stories get embellished over time, so how are you so certain these stories are accurate? Using the bible to defend jesus is circular given that it is the only place in history where he is mentioned. It is you who has no argument...not one that stands ground in the 21st century and not one that isn't circular.

          September 4, 2013 at 8:55 am |
        • JustTheFacts

          To "Observer", "Brother Maynard", truthprevails1"… Just what I thought. You're nothing but talk, and haven't a shred of proof to back up your claims. If you haven't any proof then stop wasting my time. I'm not interested in excuses. Present proof or don't say anything. And if you're do dumb to know the difference between an excuse and proof, then you're too dumb to be a part of this conversation...

          September 4, 2013 at 9:05 am |
        • Observer

          JustTheFacts,

          Speaking of stupid, you had NOTHING to back up your claim. Zip. Zero. Nada. Zilch. Ooops!

          September 4, 2013 at 9:21 am |
        • JR

          Just The Facts: Where is your proof Allah, Zeus, Thor, Rama, etc. do not exist? If you have none, why not believe in them?

          September 4, 2013 at 11:00 am |
    • Brother Maynard

      "If you don't have Him, you don't have eternal life"
      How come you only get this so called eternal life AFTER you're dead ?
      Really what is the point then ?

      September 4, 2013 at 8:35 am |
      • JustTheFacts

        And who told you that you're alive? You're a walking dead man and don't even know it. If you're not saved, then you're spiritually dead in trespasses and in sin. You were born dead and has never been alive. Jesus came that you might have life...

        September 4, 2013 at 8:48 am |
        • Observer

          JustTheFacts,

          JustTheFacts

          "You were born dead"

          You might look up the word "FACT" in a dictionary.

          September 4, 2013 at 8:56 am |
        • Brother Maynard

          "spiritually dead"
          hmm... I'm new to all of this ... please define this thing called 'spirit'

          September 4, 2013 at 8:57 am |
        • Damocles

          Such a bleak outlook on life. Why so glum, chum?

          September 4, 2013 at 9:01 am |
        • truthprevails1

          No, sin does not exist outside of the bible, thus no non-believer is gullible enough to accept that notion. Some of us are good without god and until there is evidence supporting that this god exists there simply is not reason to believe it. Christians are foolishly misguided to believe there is something after this life and most are wasting the only life guaranteed for that...it's the gullibility factor at play-exactly what the original con men who wrote the bible played on and exactly what the pastors of today play on-without gullible fools they have empty pews and thus empty collection plates.

          September 4, 2013 at 9:01 am |
        • tallulah13

          It's sad and pathetic how christians are so afraid of dying they'll waste their entire lives trying to earn an immortality that has no basis in reality. What a waste of life.

          September 4, 2013 at 9:50 am |
      • Ken

        Brother
        Yup, it would be a different kettle of fish altogether if people lived their actual lives forever after being "saved". However, sci-fi and fantasy lit is full of stories about how tragic being immortal can be, so I'd guess that most would opt out of eternity after a few hundred years, or more. I'd probably get bored after being on my knees for a while.

        September 4, 2013 at 11:13 am |
    • Ken

      joe222
      Or, you reject the concept that God is One, and never had a son like Zeus, and many of the other pagan gods. Without facts, all you are stating are opinions, on equal footing with those who follow another faith.

      September 4, 2013 at 10:29 am |
  19. Raj

    Likely, the violence would only increase. What is truth anyways? Are the atheists going to be right? Christians? Muslims? Buddhists? Hindus? Jews? Would a "convincing answer" really convince them all?

    September 4, 2013 at 3:05 am |
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      Godless Vagabond
      Well, you're not likely to get a convincing answer from any religion. So what does that leave?

      September 4, 2013 at 3:08 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      There is nothing convincing about supernatural explanations as they are, by definition, not able to be scruitinized in the light of reason.

      September 4, 2013 at 8:45 am |
    • Ken

      Also depends on what you think of as "convincing". Millions of people have been "convinced" right out of their life savings by the false claims of con artists, for example. Thinking of things like racism and h0m0ph0bia you have to admit that people can be talking into believing some pretty awful and illogical things. The key is to keep asking questions and demand accountability. It's never led me to stray from my atheism, but doing those two things has led many people away from religion.

      September 4, 2013 at 11:33 am |
  20. gailono

    Christians are the easiest group of believers to be converted, the converts are being told that Mohammad is from God, you know The Almighty God of the Jews and Christians and therefore Islam would be the next step in God's divine plans.
    This deceit of Islam has to be spoken about and make common knowledge that Mohammad is not a messenger of God The Almighty from the Old and New Testament if he was the next step for Christians or Jews who believe in God The Almighty would God the Almighty teach his followers to kill their wives, mothers, sisters and brothers or fathers and call this honor. NO this is not the teachings of God the Almighty of the Old and New Testament this is evil and perverted and all Christians must take notice and action to keep their children safe from being converted to this false religion that is nothing more then a totalitarian system of government.
    Christians understand that Islam requires Jihad to bring back their Imam. You see Islam teaches that Jihad is necessary in order to bring back their holy man called Imam, like the Christians awaiting Christ to return. Islamist are taught in order for the Imam, to return the world must be dominated by Islam and the only way is by causing confusion, destruction, killing and hate in the world. Now how is that for perverted teachings? But this is also from the Bible, Christ will return when his creation has been so perverted there is no hope left for humankind. So hey be prepared like the good book says, there is a time and a purpose to everything under heaven. And according to the good book we all know who wins the battle for souls and where the others who have perverted the WORD will be placed for eternity. Praise God the God of the Jews and Christians.

    September 4, 2013 at 2:23 am |
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      Godless Vagabond
      Man, what a line of bullshit. It's incredible that there are people who actually believe this nonsense.

      September 4, 2013 at 2:57 am |
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