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September 5th, 2013
08:39 AM ET
Pope pulls ambassador amid abuse allegationsSanto Domingo, Dominican Republic (CNN) - Prosecutors began a criminal investigation Wednesday into the Vatican's former ambassador to the Dominican Republic, a day after a local church representative said the pope had recalled the envoy because of child abuse allegations. "We have formally opened an investigation," Dominican Attorney General Francisco Dominguez Brito told reporters. "Here we have to work with two legal aspects, first national laws and also international laws in his status as a diplomat, which implies other mechanisms of investigation and judgment." The Vatican confirmed Wednesday that Jozef Wesolowski had been removed from his post and that an investigation is under way but did not say what allegations were made. Wesolowski had been an apostolic nuncio, the Vatican's official representative in the Dominican Republic. But the pope pulled him from the post last month after an internal church report connected him with child abuse and pedophilia, according to Monsignor Agripino Nunez Collado, the rector of a Catholic university and spokesman for the church in the country. FULL STORY
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I think this is pretty much self explanatory. I don't stand for any of abuse especially by a priest. By anybody in authority. But this tops it all. When your supposed to be a representative of God that tops it all.
Yep!
I'm an atheist, but for a kid who believes, this is god's representative on earth – and for him to be the one molesting him – it's got a horrible added impact of damaging the child's faith, ability to trust, etc.
I would think abuse by a parent, which is many orders more common, would be a much deeper and fundamental violation.
But that's not what anyone is talking about, Pope Fanboy, is it? Nope.
You like to misdirect any negative thing away from your precious weirdo church.
Boof Deacon,
It's not a game of who's the bigger bad guy, Boof. You sink lower with every post. What do you get out of coming in here and defending the indefensible?
BTW, that's a rhetorical question.
Have an A1 day.
Not defending anything at all. Jon says abuse by a clergy would be "top it all" and Susan agreed with him. I think Susan's description of the trauma is probably pretty accurate but I think the trauma a parent could inflict and in fact do inflict many more times a day than priests, trumps jon's claim. You just don't want to think about how many parents are abusing kids because keeping the focus on priests aids your denial of the overall problem.
Oh, please, Boof, I'm not arguing either side. I'm saying child abuse causes trauma and that is all I'm saying. The fact that Susan and I disagree about a minor side issue isn't even relevant, so quit puffing out your chest like you've proved something. I've seen Susan's other posts, she seems smart and articulate. I seriously doubt that she agrees with your apologetics on the subject. Even Salero told you to shut up about it today.
I could argue that being raped even once by god's representative on earth might cause more than 100 cases of getting my face slapped by my mother, but there are too many variables to come to any conclusion other than child abuse causes trauma, and it must be stopped.
Is the PTA hiding and allowing abusive parents to continue their abuse Bill? Because that conserns me (and I would hope you) more than which abuser is more personally reprehensible.
So let me see if i can follow your logic here Bill,;
Since it would be worse to be abused by a parent, church officials are somehow less horrible for what they do to kids?
Wouldn't that be like saying that because he wasn't tortures to death we should look the other way?
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The Vatican was presented with a golden opportunity to prove things were genuinely different under this papal regime, and they punted. Failure to make this "ambassador" face the music shows that all the so-called change going on is no more than window dressing – there is no real change, only business as usual.
"Punted" is putting it kindly. It's more like they ran off the field and hid in the locker room behind Gerry Sandusky.
Not yet. If they send him back to face charges, then they're good. Right now, removing him was correct, the prior administrations would have stonewalled, denied, and supported the guy, kept him in place, until there was a chance of an arrest warrent – then given him a promotion back to the Vatican.
This pope removed the guy – not promoting him. That's different, and a start.
I disagree that it's any different. The RCC almost always removes an alleged offender from his/her position if complaints are made or when it goes public. The fact that the guy is no longer in the Dominican Republic also follows the typical RCC MO.
Until now they've insisted on handling it internally, and they have failed.A real step would have been for the pope to revoke his passport until the investigation takes place, or at least require him to remain in the Dominican Republic for the duration.
So much for this pope being different.
The horror of pedophilia committed by religious leaders has exposed the rotting underbellies of all religion. Time for everyone who still believes to chuck their beliefs in gods, heaven, hell, resurrections, saints, angels and satans.
The weak underbellies of the major players:
• As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.
• As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.
• There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.
• There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.
• There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.
• Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.
• Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated/reborn Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.
• A constant cycle of reincarnation until enlightenment is reached and belief that various beings (angels?, tinker-bells? etc) exist that we, as mortals, cannot comprehend makes for a no on Sikhism.
Added details available upon written request.
the Catholic Church helps yet another child molester.... stay classy.
will there ever be a day when the church helps police and prosecutors put child molesters in prison instead of hindering investigations? will the church ever voluntarily give evidence and supply witnesses? "we'll handle this ourselves, it's an internal matter." translation: we'll move the molester-priest t to another church and pretend it never happened.
It seems that the vocal majorities posting here are out for bloodletting to be had for the priests who have made religious transgressions against society's unsuspecting children by religiously dumbfounded pedophiliacs who have made an act of religious immorality and nationalized vulgarisms... Just exactly how many of any nation's societies are guilty of sensual transgressions..?
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If I was the pope I would have pulled his Vatican passport and left him to rot in a Dominican Republic prison.
How long do you think it will be before Bill Deacon pops in to explain why this is all okay?
ROTFL!!!
What is ok with me:
That governments pursue investigations where there is suspiicion of crimes
That the pope continue to work towards eradicating priests, who commit crimes, from the clergy
That I and other everyday Catholics continue to practice our faith without fear of derision
That these everyday Catholics embrace action to eliminate dangerous people from our midst
That accurate information be presented to interested parties relative to these cases
What is not ok with me:
That any person of authority ever harm a child
That evil people disguise themselves as priests, teachers and coaches to betray the innocent
That bigotry is fueled by the actions and comments of perverse minds
That stereotyping become acceptable because it is in vogue
Ah, Boof Deacon shows up to get his fix of apologetics for the day. I wonder how many Hail Marys it takes to stop the shakies.
What is ok with me:
That governments pursue investigations where there is suspiicion of crimes
When will the Vatican begin these investigations? OJ Simpson has done a better job of finding Nicole Brown and Ron Goldberg['s "real killer".
That the pope continue to work towards eradicating priests, who commit crimes, from the clergy
See my response above. Pulling the latest criminal out of his current job isn't doing anything to eradicate anything. Revoking his passport would have been a start, rather than allowing him to flee the country that wants to prosecute him.
That I and other everyday Catholics continue to practice our faith without fear of derision
I'm not deriding all Catholics, Boof. Just you and Catholics who lie and defend the indefensible.
That accurate information be presented to interested parties relative to these cases
If I've said something inaccurate about this issue, please let me know. I don't mind being wrong, but I do mind being misrepresented.
What is not ok with me:
That any person of authority ever harm a child
Agreed.
That evil people disguise themselves as priests, teachers and coaches to betray the innocent
The evil people in question aren't disguising themselves as priests, teachers and coaches. They ARE priests, teachers and coaches. (I'd heard that you presented this despicable argument before. I'm glad to see it with my own eyes. It will be referred to many times in the future, Boof.)
That bigotry is fueled by the actions and comments of perverse minds
Agreed, but I would add "sometimes fueled" and "deluded minds" as well.
That stereotyping become acceptable because it is in vogue
No one has stereotyped anyone. This is a discussion of the latest pope's failure to stop the prosecution of the latest pedophile priest.
Have an A1 day, Boof.
I meant to say:
This is a discussion of the latest pope's failure to allow the prosecution of the latest pedophile priest.
You seem awfully quick to label a man a pedophile who currently is only under investigation. That is what I mean by accurate information.
intelligent until proven Catholic.
You seem awfully quick to label a man a pedophile who currently is only under investigation. That is what I mean by accurate information.
Fair enough, Boof. Do you want me to repost the entire thing with "alleged pedophile priest"? I will if it's that important to you.
How does that change anything? The pope still allowed him to flee the country instead of revoking his passport, letting the investigation to go on, and if enough evidence is found, for him stand trial and face his accusers in a court of law.
Will you be responding to any of my other comments?
If believers with no evidence for a supernatural god or a divine jesus agree to qualify any reference to same with "alleged" (or other phrasing that indicates they do not have absolute knowledge) then I will do the same when referring to accused pedophile priests. .
Bill,
What is understandable.
-Any group of people will have some bad apples...
What is unconscionable
-The hierarchy of said group systematically and deliberately hiding bad apple (pedophiles) thereby llowing them to continue to offend, knowingly only addressing the problem for PR issues and not being concerned for the children and families of the people they are supposed to be helping and leading.
-You leaving this off your list of what is uncceptable.
What is not understandable
"That evil people disguise themselves as priests, teachers and coaches to betray the innocent"
Classic rationalization to avoid reality.
From where would the accurate information come and to whom should it be presented given that any Catholic who talks to law enforcement about allegations of abuse is subject to excommunication.
The RCC is saying "snitches go to hell" – and that is spiritual blackmail.
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Before he was elected pope, Francis said that he supports a "zero tolerance" approach to clergy sexual abuse.
Supporting is not the same as enforcing.
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Sam stone is a guy, you ignorant bitch. Are you just that stupid, hhairy?
yes, he/she/it is. but, we will all pay when he files that big, big, big lawsuit.....
about the time that jeebus returns
you support ms. stone koo koo
lol
Thank you Pope Francis for your swift and decisive action to remove this uncelibate, fornicating, pedo-predator
from the ranks of the priesthood.
It is refreshing to see that you will not tolerate this kind of behavior from the shepherds of your flock.
Viva Il Papa!
Why didn't Pope-A-Dope leave him in the Dominican Republic so that he could be prosecuted there? Can you say cover up and cult protection?
All he did was remove him from his post.
Why hasn't he turned him and the all the other pedo priests over to the authorities, then, Doogie?
Sired Doobs...
Could it be that this Pope considers his priests to be but his children..? Fathers of their children are protective are they not Doobs..?
Fathers who let their children get away with criminal acts, conspire to hide them, or send them to live in a new city, knowing they will abuse again are not parenting properly, they are also criminals. Frankly, LL, I expect better from you than to be a pedophile apologist.
LL: So that would make the pope an accessory after the fact.
Sire Doobs...
I am not apologizing for the Pope's fathering ways... I was just making a perspective known to those who can see the why's that a priestly "father" would condone one's child to be taken from the potentialities of being jailed... I'm not saying any pedophile should not be criminalized but rather they should be made accountable for such acts thru being taught that their social waywardness is not healthy for those young who they seek to find pleasures with...
The perspective from which the pope is operating is crystal clear to most, LL. Deny, deflect, ignore. Protect the church at any cost.
truthprevails1 wrote stating, "LL: So that would make the pope an accessory after the fact."
If and that's a big if for saying that a religious father shepherding his priestly herds is going to allow any country's nationalistic laws to be fallen upon his religious children would not be healthy for said religiously convicted pedophiliac whose transgressions of immoralities are being religiously accounted for... The societal crowds within all nations are seemingly transgressed by civil laws and religiously moralized circumferences... Exactly how many nation's socialized civilities are worthy of following their laws letter to the hilt..?
Doobs wrote saying, "The perspective from which the pope is operating is crystal clear to most, LL. Deny, deflect, ignore. Protect the church at any cost.'
Does not mothers and fathers of their children also do the very same things whenever their child does lawless deeds..? Is not the ways of the fathers and mothers meant to put an umbrella over their children whenever the rains of social tenures pour down upon their child's life..?
Yes, some parents do hide and protect their criminal children, and I'm sure any parent would like to deny that their child has committed a heinous criminal act. So?
Sired Doobs...
So you ask... Can you not see the similarities of a religious father (the Pope) and his children (the priests) who have done heinous acts of pedophilia against any nations societal children..? We all live within a world whereby we all find pleasures to be had... Be they sensualistic via physical pleasures or of drug induced pleasures, it is to be noted that at tenderly young ages that many a child seeks out their elder peers and many want to be just like them whom a child finds being a pleasing act...
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Give it up, LL. There's no excuse for the pope's active participation in a conspiracy to hide predatory priests, no matter how hard you push the "loving parent" routine. He's a criminal along side them.
And I never watch the videos you post, so don't waste my time or yours.
Until charges are filed, who is he supposed to turn the guy over to?
I'll wait and see if they cooperate with any investigation.
He could pull the guy's passport and show that he IS cooperating with the investigation.
Too bad the pope doesn't do anything to stop pedophile coitus, hmmm, Douglas?
stil got that crucifix up your backside, doogie?
Not to worry. Nothing will be done beyond this.
And the RCC beat goes on.
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The sensual urges of any religious individual(s) seem to be the firmament's admittance in despotic reprisals... Are not sensual transgressions being made by more than just the religious papacies yet are not brought to bear upon the overall of the human psyche..? How many sensual transgressions are being made outside and away from papal transgressions..? Should we of righteous moralities and soundness of thoughts be the one's throwing our voices against wrong sensualist transgressions in wholesomeness of all ill done deeds of societal immoralities deemed unfit for human kind's natures..?
Maybe if you'd quit asking passive-aggressive questions, and just say what you mean, you'd be taken a bit seriously. Til then....not so much.
All the world's oh so proud people have ensued upon their owned doings of sensual transgressions being unseen while despite the revelries upon the generalized name labelers who do belly up labializing reversals to make sadistic protests upon those caught in their irreproachably nuanced wrongs...
poor, poor, LL....desperately in need of some ganja, but too afraid of the police to get some
There is a looney that is obsessed with the term 'passive aggressive', this troll feeds off this term.
As in passive passive, aggressive aggressive, aggressive passive & passive aggressive, eh?!
😉
Change names all you wish, the term is appropriate.
So then you are of the appropriation's committee..?
For goodness sake, stop labeling people. If you have nothing to respond to, move on. Your armchair psycho-analysis is vain.
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Type Green
Priestly pedophilia, people! It's distractions such as this conversation that allow the RCC and other cults to get away with their evil and lies.
Sired Hot Air...
So... Should those rich folks who venture forth to run down countries be allowed to get away with their sensualistic pleasures with the very young whose parents were tricked into allowing their child to be taken away to become slaves and sensual objects..?
Write something in clear English and I might answer you.
Sired Hot Air...
Learn all the words within the English vocabulary and study really hard then you just might get an understanding toward those who embellish all of the English words instead of vacillating the same old same old thing never truly getting anywhere...
Besides Hot Air...
Well...
LL likes using big words to say absolutely nothing. He is quite impressed with himself.
Learn to communicate effectively, ll. The fault isn't with the readers; the fault lies with your posts. You dig not being understood and being called out on it. You're an attention-seeking troll.
And trivializing pedophilic crimes as "sensualistic pleasures" and blaming the parents, thinking they allow it, is beyond the pale. You are one very sick man and should be locked up for the safety of people everywhere. You are not fit to inhabit anything except a padded room.
It's time to bankrupt the Roman Catholic religion. It is an evil, criminal organization. Stop giving it money, believer fools.
What's the song... Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
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This really gets old doesn't it? The RCC breeds monsters.
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Dominican Republic is a testing ground for priests, to see if they can resist s/exual temptation.
Do they go to Thailand for spring break?
It was a mistake to give the Vatican status as an independent nation as they're exploiting their ability to call on diplomatic immunity in order to circ/umvent local law enforcement,.
They didn't have such status until 1929 when they signed a treaty with the Italian governemtn.
The US didn't even establish diplomatic relations with them until 1984.
agree, religious groups should not have diplomatic immunity, at least from crimes.
It does seem that this latest person held a special position, like a diplomat, perhaps. I don't think most priests can claim any diplomatic immunity.
I understand that this guy was an ambassador and not a missionary – but the point still stands.
I don't believe they should have been granted status as a nation allowed to have ambassadors.
In the case of the Holy See, the line between ambassador and missionary is kind of blurry....
You may be right, it is the only religious organization that has "state" status, I think.
Yup, we can believe the RCC has put an end to priestly pedophilia. And now that the abuser has returned to the Big Cult Clubhouse, the Dominican Republic ahthorities will never see him again.
Why won't Pope-A-Dope release all information about RCC pedophiles and the criminals covering up and protecting them? What does he have to hide? How many children did he abuse? How many priests did he cover up for?
Full disclosure will be any day now....just be patient, annnnnnnny day now....
... and Jesus is returning annnnyyy day now too, right?