September 9th, 2013
03:29 PM ET

Fox News host: Atheists 'don't have to live here'

By Daniel BurkeCNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN) - Fox News pundit Dana Perino said she's "tired" of atheists attempting to remove the phrase "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance, adding, "if these people really don't like it, they don't have to live here."

The co-host of Fox's "The Five" was referring to a suit brought by the American Humanist Association in Massachusetts, where the state's Supreme Judicial Court heard a challenge to the pledge on Wednesday.

The group's executive director, Roy Speckhardt, called the suit "the first challenge of its kind," but Perino begged to differ.

Perino, who was White House press secretary for George W. Bush from 2007-2009, said she recalled working at the Justice Department in 2001 "and a lawsuit like this came through."

The former Bush spokeswoman added that "before the day had finished the United States Senate and the House of Representatives had both passed resolutions saying that they were for keeping ‘under God’ in the pledge."

"If these people don't like it, they don't have to live here," Perino added.

David Silverman, president of the American Atheists, called Perino's comments "bigotry."

"I, for one, am tired of those Christians, like Ms. Perino, who think that equality is somehow un-American," Silverman said. "If Ms. Perino doesn't like being only equal, it is she who will have to leave America to some other country that doesn't value religious liberty."

READ MORE: Famous Atheists and Their Beliefs 

In 2002, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals sided with atheist Michael Newdow who argued that the words "under God" in the pledge amounted to an unconstitutional government endorsement of religion. The Supreme Court overturned that ruling.

Congress added the words "under God" in 1954 amid the red scare over the Soviet Union. In November 2002, after the Newdow ruling, Congress passed a law reaffirming "under God" in the pledge.

Greg Gutfeld, another co-host on "The Five," continued the discussion after Perino, saying the Pledge of Allegiance "is not a prayer, it's a patriotic exercise. In a sense, it's basically saying: Thanks for giving us the freedom to be an atheist."

The Massachusetts case, which was brought by an unidentified family of a student at a school in suburban Boston, will be argued on the premise that the pledge violates the Equal Rights Amendment of the Massachusetts Constitution.

READ MORE: Behold, the Six Types of Atheists

It is the first such case to be tried on the state level: All previous attempts have been argued in federal court on the grounds that "under God" was an unconstitutional violation of the separation of church and state.

CNN's Kevin Conlon contributed to this report.

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Atheism • Belief • Church and state • Courts • Culture wars • News media • Schools • TV

soundoff (7,255 Responses)
  1. Charles

    Why don't you go look at the emblems on the front of the supreme court building.

    September 9, 2013 at 5:38 pm |
    • ME II

      You mean " Menes, Hammurabi, Moses, Solomon, Lycurgus, Solon, Draco, Confucius, and Augustus."

      or " Justinian, Muhammad, Charlemagne, John of England, Louis IX of France, Hugo Grotius, Sir William Blackstone, John Marshall, and Napoleon."

      ...because they're all there.

      September 9, 2013 at 5:43 pm |
    • Sane Person

      Why don't you go look at the gates to Epcott!

      September 9, 2013 at 5:48 pm |
  2. Mr Hanson

    Who cares about atheists anyway? They are low life forms, but that is what THEY think and believe. Just random cosmic refuge put together by time and chance.

    September 9, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
    • pauleky

      Lots of people "care about atheists." The world does not revolve around you or your fantasies.

      September 9, 2013 at 5:38 pm |
    • Troll spotter

      Yo! over here

      September 9, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
    • Steve

      You think the story that a magical man in the sky said "POOF" and now we have the universe is more feasible? You think it is better to blindly follow a story that very obviously has tons of holes in it instead of using reasoning, science, fact, and experiments to come to a reasonable answer? If everyone felt like you throughout history, we would still be dancing to rain gods hoping it would rain.

      September 9, 2013 at 5:43 pm |
      • BIlly W

        On the first day, God created himself, right? THE PARADOX!

        September 9, 2013 at 5:58 pm |
        • andreybar

          No, man. That was a day before first day.

          September 10, 2013 at 1:05 pm |
      • Justaman

        Its funny, I have seen lots of posts saying Christians don't like logic or science but that is not true, at least not for me, logic and science have always been a way of discovering God and digging deeper into how things were created. Just for kicks here is a link to a list put together of Christian thinkers in science: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science
        I have had no part in putting the list together or its validation.

        September 10, 2013 at 9:15 am |
        • Anymoose

          Alchemists contributed to science as well. While the generalization that cultists aren't logical or scientific is clearly an exaggeration, believing in some kind of god necessarily precludes the ability to search for the ultimate truth. You proved it in your statement. You already have your answer. You are just trying to find ways to prove it. Whereas the true scientist has no presumption and seeks to discover the answer.

          September 10, 2013 at 9:19 am |
      • tammo

        The Big Bang theory makes much more sense? I am not religious but if someone presented me with the two theories: Creativity or Big Bang and I had to accept one, I would pick the guy in the sky.

        September 10, 2013 at 4:26 pm |
        • Bob Lablaw

          That is probably because you are too lazy to spend even 10 minutes learning about the big bang theory. It actually is based on observation and facts. You don't have to agree with it, but you are basically coming on here and admitting that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I would bet every dollar I have that you have absolutely no idea how a microwave works, or how a thunderstorm develops, but that doesn't mean that the theories behind them are incorrect simply because they don't fit into a simple explanation that you can accept without thinking too hard.

          September 10, 2013 at 4:40 pm |
        • Chris

          yeah, I'm waiting for someone to tell me how an infinitely dense mass came to be inside of an infinitely large space – ya know, all those things that have to happen for the big bang THEORY to even have a STARTING POINT?

          September 10, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
    • sly

      Us scientists laugh at ignorant folks like youself, Mr. Hanson. Fat white man in the clouds? Ho ho ho – yep, we believe in magic!

      September 9, 2013 at 5:48 pm |
      • ml

        couldnt agree more. Still amazed at how brainwashed these poor religious idiots are. it defies all explanation in this day and age.

        September 9, 2013 at 5:52 pm |
      • Lycidas

        "Us scientists.."


        September 9, 2013 at 6:07 pm |
      • joe

        WE scientists. You should have taken an English course along with all your scientific training.

        September 10, 2013 at 3:34 pm |
      • Dippy

        We, not us.

        September 11, 2013 at 1:05 am |
    • AtheistsLLosers

      I don't care about atheists, and a lot of people don't either.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:01 pm |
      • Chris m

        I don't give a f uck about you!

        September 10, 2013 at 8:05 am |
      • Tired of Silly1

        See, there's the difference between the imaginary friend proponents and people who are thinkers. We don't automatically decide that we don't care about you just because you believe in a fairy tale and live by a story book.

        September 10, 2013 at 9:57 am |
      • asutliff

        Oh! Thank you for the laugh! That makes my day!!!

        September 10, 2013 at 10:07 am |
    • brian

      I care about the founding father who wrote two books, first was "common sense" which galvanized support for the revolution, and "the age of reason" which basically described how bad organized religion. The man without whom none of us would be free and whose first book was read by almost all americans at the time, had 7 people attend his funeral since he was a "godless atheist" reviled by popular opinion.

      Our citizenship has nothing to do with God or our beliefs, rather it is the desire to marginalize and divide us, to attempt to exclude those we disagree with from Citizenship. Adding "under God" was done in 1954 when they were in the middle of a witch hunt, to get rid of those who disagreed with popular norms, socialist and atheist beliefs somehow suddenly made you no longer an american. But then saying we should not go to war agains Iraq, even though Saddam was also enemies with Al Qaeda and the Taliban responsible for 9/11, well those folks who disagreed were classified as unamerican.

      ( according to the wikipedia the pledge was written by a socialist too )

      September 9, 2013 at 6:22 pm |
      • GodIsBogus

        Brian, well said. The religious are so unaccepting of others it's disgusting.

        September 10, 2013 at 12:34 pm |
      • Sylvia

        Brian, thank you for that post.

        September 10, 2013 at 2:51 pm |
    • Mark in Atlanta

      Christian Americans like me. Lot's of theocratic nations for you and Dana to move to if you don't like freedom of (or from) religion.

      September 9, 2013 at 10:21 pm |
    • uos_spo6

      Keep imaging what sounds comfy for your fragile little sense of mortality. Belief is laughably juvenile. If the afterlife is what you are living for, you should just hurry up and go there. Write us and let us know how correct you were.

      September 10, 2013 at 10:11 am |
    • me_2

      Let's see your god allowed (just in recent times) THOUSANDS killed in Syria and New Orleans, The slaughter in Colorado and Conn.

      If that is any indication of his work...I'll pass

      September 10, 2013 at 10:12 am |
    • Brad

      Thats very Christian of you.

      September 10, 2013 at 12:53 pm |
    • Gingeet

      Yeah, those damn atheists always using their logic, reason and facts! It's better to be delusional than admit you're wrong....

      September 10, 2013 at 12:58 pm |
    • Gerald S.

      Generally, the most intelligent people are agnostics and atheists. Those intelligent people are the ones that usually become engineers and scientists and consequently end up invented every awesome little thing you have.

      So ironically, everyone cares about atheists and agnostics. Just do some research into IQ levels and religious beliefs. Funny how a God would make the smartest people believe in him the least, hmm?

      September 10, 2013 at 3:48 pm |
  3. Matt Cooper

    You know, during the 1950s and 1960s, "they" said the same thing, that if people who wanted equality didn't like the situation they're in, they could move to another country. "Their" answer? - This is my country too. My feeling is, if you don't like equality for all - even those you disagree with - then you are un-American and should move to a country that is founded on religion, like Iran.

    September 9, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
  4. ed

    We should replace One nation under God..with the phrase....One nation ..with religious liberty for all.

    September 9, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
    • ME II

      The original had simply, "one nation indivisible, with liberty, ...." that would be fine.

      September 9, 2013 at 5:38 pm |
    • Sylvia

      I like that!!! I haven't seen it mention, although I'm sure everyone knows, the pledge of allegiance was introduced after the civil war. It was an era when a mans word was his honor and before they send the confederate prisoners of war home they were required to make the pledge. It wasn't about god or even being a citizen.

      September 10, 2013 at 2:33 pm |
  5. Dave - Phx

    If she doesn't like it, she can move to Texas and seceed with the rest of the retardlicans.

    September 9, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
  6. Lenny Pincus

    This type of inane argument befits someone who worked for Dubya.

    September 9, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
  7. Chris

    We're not a country based on religion, so if you don't like it... how about you move to Israel instead. I'm not even an atheist... I'm just tired of every religion thinking they're deity is better than the next.

    September 9, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
    • AtheistsLLosers

      Liar, it's obvious that you are indeed an atheist.

      September 9, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
      • Momof4

        Who cares what religion anyone follows? I am also sick of the "my god is better than your god" thing. Equality does not mean preferential treatment for anyone else. Not all religions believe in gods and some have lots of them. Everyone get over yourselves and let people live their lives.

        September 9, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
      • niknak

        Why are we losers?
        Because we won't play along with your make believe friend.

        September 9, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
        • SouthernCelt

          Because you are outnumbered.

          September 10, 2013 at 6:18 pm |
      • Akira

        Well, it's abundantly clear you are Christian; accusing all whom you disagree with of being a liar.

        September 9, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
    • niknak

      So there is a deity that is better than your deity, Chris?

      September 9, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
      • niknak

        Meant to write as good as your deity......

        September 9, 2013 at 5:35 pm |
    • gggeflat

      Israel is a secular country for the most part with a secular government.

      September 9, 2013 at 5:35 pm |
      • VaSkeptic

        There have been some pretty absurd statements in this discussion. This is amongst the most absurd.

        September 10, 2013 at 11:26 am |
    • crowdecker


      September 9, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
    • carmen

      Israel is a secular state,not a theocracy

      September 10, 2013 at 1:53 am |
  8. ed

    The Supreme ruled decades ago that no student has to say the pledge...it is voluntary...that ruling was because of the words in question here...under God...Jehovah Witnesses objected...hardly atheists.....The ruling still stands.

    September 9, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
    • doobzz

      Owning slaves was once voluntary as well.

      September 9, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
      • ME II

        to be fair, being owned wasn't.

        September 9, 2013 at 5:35 pm |
      • SouthernCelt

        More Financially possible than voluntary. Only rich people had slaves.

        September 10, 2013 at 6:19 pm |
    • Topple

      Yeah, but you neglect to mention that those who don't believe in god, may still want to say the pledge. And so saying that they should just not say the pledge is unfair. It's like saying, if the words 'under god' were removed, and those that believe in god should not say the pledge because those words are not in there is also ridiculous.

      September 10, 2013 at 10:16 am |
    • JES

      Actually, it wasn't. The phrase "under God" hadn't been added the Pledge at the time of West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, when the Supreme Court ruled students couldn't be compelled to recite the Pledge. This was in 1943 and the phrase wasn't added for another decade.

      September 10, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
  9. Blessed are the Cheesemakers

    The "If you don't like it you can leave" argument.

    What an intelligent rejoinder....

    September 9, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
    • AtheistsLLosers

      Bless that woman for telling you atheists to go away.

      September 9, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
      • Christina

        You, ma'am or sir, are an embarrassment to religion.

        September 9, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        Since your god is so powerfull why can't he take care of us himself...he always needs his zealots to do his dirty work.

        September 9, 2013 at 5:41 pm |
        • niknak

          That is exactly right Cheesyguy.
          This all powerful god that these fools worship does not seem to be all the powerful since it needs to have actual humans do to it's dirty work of smiting us non believers.

          Hey believers, I am giving god the finger right now, and it is not doing anything.
          Why not?
          Maybe it really doesn't exist.......

          September 9, 2013 at 5:57 pm |
        • Grow Up

          Hey Niknak,

          Did you ever think that maybe you're silly to ever think any god would care what you're doing?
          Hey Niknak, I'm giving you the finger too....whoa, wait, nothing is happening to me...?
          Guess you don't exist....

          September 10, 2013 at 9:21 am |
  10. Spuds Mackenzie

    The pledge was written in 1892. By a Christian minister no less. The phrase "Under God" was added to the pledge in 1954. So the pledge existed for 62 years without the phrase and 59 with. So what's the problem. I though conservative wanted things to be the way they were. Well, they should be for this then.

    And these idiots can just as easily get the hell out of the country. Trust me, the country would be better without them than without us.

    September 9, 2013 at 5:28 pm |
    • ed

      yes....and he was a Socialist too

      September 9, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
      • fyi

        yeah, and he was a Baptist minister too... and even he didn't put "God" in there.

        September 9, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
    • Anne112

      How dare you be so sensible!!

      September 10, 2013 at 12:37 pm |
    • Sylvia

      Well, that was a history lesson for me. I thought the pledge was written so that the confederate soldiers could pledge their allegiance before they were released....instead it was written in response (in part) to the civil war. Thanks.

      September 10, 2013 at 2:40 pm |
  11. Inciteful

    If any group for any reason objects to certain words or phrases, all they have to do is not to say them. How is it "religious liberty" to tell others what they can and cannot say?

    September 9, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
    • doobzz

      If congress decided to put "one nation, under Allah" in the pledge, would you be okay with "just not saying it"?

      September 9, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
      • Guest

        Allah means "God" so technically they did.

        September 9, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
        • doobzz

          Then they shouldn't have any problem changing it to Allah.

          September 9, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
        • nrdryli

          Doobzz had a good point, and he could technically have a valid one. As with all christian religions there were pagan beginnings. Allah was origionally used by pagan Meccans to mean "creator deity." Not the "God" that is referred to by todays Christians, etc.

          September 9, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
        • nrdryli

          It's just time to face the facts. Die hard "Christians" think they rule the world and that they are the majority. That just isn't the case anymore. They need to grow up, get over it, and move on. Not everyone believes in "god" and the witch burning times are over. Equality is the new "christian" and the people who want equality are just as demanding and willing to do anything to get it. Just as the early "christians" burned and killed everyone who didn't follow their beliefs. Christians should be thankful athiests are just trying to change a few words and not have them burned at the stake!

          September 9, 2013 at 6:03 pm |
      • Sane Person

        They love religious symbolism and icons, as long as its their religion. They wont rest until everyone validates their delusions and declares them "the best christians" and above other people.

        September 9, 2013 at 5:53 pm |
    • ME II

      not other's, school's and government.

      September 9, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
      • ME II

        ouch sorry,
        not others, schools and government

        September 9, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
    • Guest

      As an agnostic, I totally agree with this. I just don't say it. From my experience though, atheists are a bit childish and egocentric.

      September 9, 2013 at 5:35 pm |
      • Christina

        This is quite the generalization, isn't it?

        September 9, 2013 at 5:42 pm |
    • I Don't Care Either Way

      So if you believe that its either just words or you don't care what atheists think then you wouldn't have any problem if we changed it to say Under Allah?

      What it sounds like to me is that if that is the case then you are more than happy to disregard or trample over someone else's beliefs as long as you protect yours. Sounds a lot like selfishness and religious intolerance to me.

      September 9, 2013 at 5:42 pm |
    • Wasnt Mee

      When you are 7,8,9,10 you don't have a choice in class. In fact, the Pledge isn't said in most schools after elementary. Forcing a child to make that kind of decision is cruel. The original Pledge had everything we need to come together united behind a country and Flag. The religions are all right in believing we have a creator although it can't be proven. Scientists may have it right on the Big Bang Theory. They may both be correct.

      September 10, 2013 at 9:57 am |
  12. AtheistsLLosers

    God riddance, get those atheists out of here if they don't like it.. Sorry atheists but you're not going to get it your ways. haha.

    September 9, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
    • Tom

      Just you wait and see m0r0n...

      September 9, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
    • AtheistsLLosers

      Oops, good riddance and not God riddance lol.

      September 9, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
      • AtheistsLLosers

        @Tom Moron

        You ain't going to win anyway. People are getting tired of you whining all the time.

        September 9, 2013 at 5:28 pm |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        You were right the first time...

        September 9, 2013 at 5:30 pm |
      • Wasnt Mee

        Freudian slip there

        September 10, 2013 at 10:00 am |
    • Steve

      Your name says it all.....a bigot who judges everyone and if someone doesn't agree with you, they are stupid and ignorant. Your a typical dumb a $ $ who lets a book convince you that it is morally ok to judge and hate people who are different from you....how Christian of you.

      September 9, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
      • c'mon really?

        debate over god is most often very passionate and sometimes gets personal and judgmental.

        i have seen atheists refer to all believers as stone age troglodytes who need to be extinct. Also others with less figurative words and more call to action. as in, we need to round up all theists in USA and kill them. that is the general tone of many atheists.

        the funniest part of the whole predicament for me is that atheists are passionate, and their position is to affirm the non-existence of a metaphysical being they have no tools to measure. they are ATLEAST as faith based as theists.

        how are you passionate about something that gives you no reward or punishment? the answer is that it frees them to break traditional theist life rules. that is the psychological bunker they defend. they have no scientific backing for their belief. in fact, science is now entering realms that threaten its own roots with dark matter/energy. unobservable things that are breaking known laws. will science hold true to its method, or are we know taking metaphysical and unmeasurable things into the equation? id love to know. to me, the flying spaghetti monster is known. his real name is dark matter. cant observe it, it must be calculating into existence with equations.

        rather than say, if its not observable its not real (like god), scientists fabricate a flying spaghetti monsters out of their fail equations. doesnt science say go back to drawing board if equations imply a paradox? nope, we want a monster, a fantasy boogey man who cant be seen heard felt or touched. btw, we also dont believe in god who cant be seen heard felt or touched.

        September 9, 2013 at 5:53 pm |
        • mike

          I dont understand why someone has to prove something doesnt exist when you have no proof that it did

          September 10, 2013 at 10:49 am |
        • Deanbo

          Science relies on evidence, not faith. Answer this, which should put your silly argument to rest. How many verifiable facts regarding the physical laws of this universe has science hypothesized, designed experiments to test, and finally proven to be true? Many, as we all know, and there will be more as science marches forward. How many of the things your bible calls facts have been proven to be true over the centuries? Whats that you say? None? Your case for a god is dismissed.........

          September 10, 2013 at 10:52 am |
        • BostonBorn

          Actually the best part of your argument is the opening. Militant atheism is completely against the point of being an atheist – my non-belief is a personal, solitary thing – not a group activity. The bigger issue is that regardless of whether students can opt out, not all schools respect and allow that choice without repercussions and there I have an issue. My faith, or lack thereof, has no standing on my patriotism, support of this country or right to live here. Period.

          September 10, 2013 at 12:00 pm |
    • sly

      Ha ha ha – we ALWAYS get our way, fool.

      We won on abortion.
      We won on Gay Marriage
      We won on Health Care
      We will win easily on changing the pledge.

      How does it feel to be such a religious loser?

      Ho ho ho – feels great to kick you ass.

      September 9, 2013 at 5:51 pm |
      • Sokesky

        They are not really losing; they are merely being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the modern world. It will be a good thing in the long run for them to weather these things and realize that it really does not affect them adversely.

        September 10, 2013 at 8:47 am |
      • Highlander

        If all you care about in this life is winning, then congrats.

        September 10, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
  13. AEU

    “We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.”
    - Richard Dawkins [The God Delusion] – and for those Right-Wingers who are just unable to understand this comment – you don't believe in Zeus, Hera, etc. – we just add one more (yours) to the list.

    September 9, 2013 at 5:25 pm |
  14. Stargoat

    I come from the land of e pluribus unum.

    September 9, 2013 at 5:23 pm |
    • Men at work

      ... down under.

      September 9, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
  15. NotYoDaddy

    I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

    I wonder if she is smart enough to know that Under God was an addition by a lawyer in 1948.

    September 9, 2013 at 5:22 pm |
    • Dennis

      Added in 1954 by joint resolution of Congress....during a embarrassing time!!

      September 9, 2013 at 5:38 pm |
  16. ug

    If they don't like it then they can get out of here!

    September 9, 2013 at 5:22 pm |
    • doobzz

      What's wrong, your Nascar cable channel on the fritz?

      September 9, 2013 at 5:43 pm |
  17. Steve

    The atheists can go to hell. Lucky for them it doesn't exist, just like God.

    September 9, 2013 at 5:21 pm |
    • ug

      Sure maggot...sure...

      September 9, 2013 at 5:22 pm |
    • Steve

      So it doesn't matter if an atheist is a good person at all huh? The fact that they don't have the same views as you means they can all "go to hell?" Typical a moral religious person. How very Christian of you bigot.

      September 9, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
    • sly

      Ho ho ho – "hell" ... wow, we're damned scared. Isn't that where some little red man with horns carries a pitchfork, and he lives in the center of the earth?

      Ha ha ha – that has got to be funnier than your idea that some big fat white man lives in the clouds!

      You religious nuts are so funny! Saturday Night Live couldn't come up with all the wierd concepts you do. Ooops – gotta, run, that little Angel chick just floated down from heaven so I could give her a little you know what! God is too fat, so she's comes to me each day. Simply Heavenly! Yummmy

      September 9, 2013 at 5:55 pm |
  18. CommonSensed

    Doncha just love proponents of Sharia Law?

    September 9, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
    • c'mon really?

      this is a decorative homage to theism. it is not sharia law.

      that someone took the time to oppose this shows they are phenomenally petty.

      that pretty much sums up all zealous atheists, they are very very petty. it does them no harm if someone believes in santa or god. beliefs do not have power to pick your pocket or punch your nose.

      show me a law that encourages or authorizes religious harm done to atheists, then you can say sharia law.

      this is decorative homage. i agree its not govt place to be legitimizing any belief. that goes for not only god and global warming, but which cancel treatment a parent must have for their children.

      you know that parents in USA are criminally prosecuted for not believing western medicine is the best way? they end up in jail if they do what they think is right. JAIL. on this page here these ppl are whining about a cultural norm that takes no skin off their back.

      September 9, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
      • c'mon really?

        cancer treatment (not cancel treatment)

        September 9, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
  19. I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

    I don't get why this is picking on Dana Perino anyway.

    The comments by the woman at the end of the clip (Kimberly Guilfoyle?) beginning with "I don't understand why they need to be catered to."

    Are nastier in tone.

    Presumably Dana Perino has more 'gravitas' and credibility than the other talking head?

    September 9, 2013 at 5:00 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      A better rendition of what was said at the end is:

      "But why should they be catered to? Why are they so special? I'm not saying you're saying that, I'm telling you that I find it offensive that a few people, that these children are pawns from their parents you know statements and beliefs, to try and enforce it on everyone else and inflict their belief system. It's incredibly selfish, it's small-minded and I don't think the courts should cater to them, there is no reason to do so."

      Oh the irony. Thy name is the five.

      September 9, 2013 at 5:09 pm |
      • ME II

        And she's for the 'Under God' right?
        ...just checking.

        September 9, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
      • sam

        Damn near getting a case of irony poisoning.

        September 9, 2013 at 5:14 pm |
      • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

        Yep – apparently the courts shouldn't listen to anyone who wants to "force" their beliefs on others, unless of course it's her beliefs, then no doubt it's OK.

        September 9, 2013 at 5:14 pm |
  20. Lycidas

    Do what I do and don't say the pledge at all.

    I really dislike the "love it or leave" mentality...no matter who is saying it. This nation allows all sorts of people to live here and none have a higher position than another.

    They need to quit paying attention to Dana and pay more attention to Andrea Tantaros.

    September 9, 2013 at 4:51 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

      Pay attention to parts of her at least.

      September 9, 2013 at 4:54 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Is she the nasty person at the end of the clip?

      September 9, 2013 at 5:10 pm |
      • Lycidas

        No..Andrea wasn't on the show that day. Her brother passed away a week or so ago and she's been taking some time off.

        September 9, 2013 at 5:16 pm |
    • ug

      I choose not to listen to political pundits...but I know that the atheists can get out of this country if they don't like it or shutup about it!

      September 9, 2013 at 5:26 pm |
      • Christina

        Is that how you see this nation? Anyone who disagrees with the status quo needs to keep their mouth shut or move? I hope this means that all Conservatives will stop complaining about Obama – or even better, get the hell out.

        September 9, 2013 at 5:36 pm |
      • Big Kahuna

        No YOU can get out of this country if you don't like it. Whatever it is, you can leave if you don't like it!. Status quo for everyone! Everything is the same always and forever! Everybody is happy and nobody complains ever. That sounds VERY REALISTIC!

        September 9, 2013 at 5:39 pm |
      • Deanbo

        I spent 6 years of my life on active duty in the US Navy defending the rights of ALL of my fellow citizens, not just the christians. They are among the worst this country has to offer up. Judgmental, hypocritical, eager to kill those who don't agree with them because their god is more right than the other religions god. What a joke. Take some time to explore what the universe is, is vastness, power, mystery, then ask yourself honestly if you still believe it was all created for the amusement of a group of ignorant, barely sentient beings on a speck of mud, in the middle of nowhere. Then you will start to understand why I am a Buddhist, and why we embrace science and and a deeper understanding of the true nature of our existence. Or not, that would require deep thought and critical thinking that are anathema to monotheistic religious types......

        September 10, 2013 at 12:16 pm |
      • comanchesixromeo

        Its true. I could leave. I could shut up about it. But I fought for this country. You might have freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Now I would like some freedom FROM religioin to go along with the freedom to kick your ass.

        September 10, 2013 at 12:42 pm |
    • Freeman Lowell

      Exactly, why pledge Allegiance blindly whn the fact is the country does not represent everyones best interest. I pledge Allegiance to myself and my family whom I serve and protect to the best of my ability.

      September 10, 2013 at 9:32 pm |
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