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September 9th, 2013
03:29 PM ET

Fox News host: Atheists 'don't have to live here'

By Daniel BurkeCNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN) - Fox News pundit Dana Perino said she's "tired" of atheists attempting to remove the phrase "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance, adding, "if these people really don't like it, they don't have to live here."

The co-host of Fox's "The Five" was referring to a suit brought by the American Humanist Association in Massachusetts, where the state's Supreme Judicial Court heard a challenge to the pledge on Wednesday.

The group's executive director, Roy Speckhardt, called the suit "the first challenge of its kind," but Perino begged to differ.

Perino, who was White House press secretary for George W. Bush from 2007-2009, said she recalled working at the Justice Department in 2001 "and a lawsuit like this came through."

The former Bush spokeswoman added that "before the day had finished the United States Senate and the House of Representatives had both passed resolutions saying that they were for keeping ‘under God’ in the pledge."

"If these people don't like it, they don't have to live here," Perino added.

David Silverman, president of the American Atheists, called Perino's comments "bigotry."

"I, for one, am tired of those Christians, like Ms. Perino, who think that equality is somehow un-American," Silverman said. "If Ms. Perino doesn't like being only equal, it is she who will have to leave America to some other country that doesn't value religious liberty."

READ MORE: Famous Atheists and Their Beliefs 

In 2002, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals sided with atheist Michael Newdow who argued that the words "under God" in the pledge amounted to an unconstitutional government endorsement of religion. The Supreme Court overturned that ruling.

Congress added the words "under God" in 1954 amid the red scare over the Soviet Union. In November 2002, after the Newdow ruling, Congress passed a law reaffirming "under God" in the pledge.

Greg Gutfeld, another co-host on "The Five," continued the discussion after Perino, saying the Pledge of Allegiance "is not a prayer, it's a patriotic exercise. In a sense, it's basically saying: Thanks for giving us the freedom to be an atheist."

The Massachusetts case, which was brought by an unidentified family of a student at a school in suburban Boston, will be argued on the premise that the pledge violates the Equal Rights Amendment of the Massachusetts Constitution.

READ MORE: Behold, the Six Types of Atheists

It is the first such case to be tried on the state level: All previous attempts have been argued in federal court on the grounds that "under God" was an unconstitutional violation of the separation of church and state.

CNN's Kevin Conlon contributed to this report.

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Atheism • Belief • Church and state • Courts • Culture wars • News media • Schools • TV

soundoff (7,255 Responses)
  1. garg

    I am all for removing all traces of McCarthyism from our system.

    September 9, 2013 at 6:47 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Yes, let's remove "In God we Trust" from the currency while we're at it.

      It causes no end of confusion. People seem to think it, like 'under God' in the pledge was there from the beginning.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:56 pm |
      • G to the T

        Agreed – I prefer the original slogan "Mind Your Business" much more anyways. 🙂

        September 10, 2013 at 10:23 am |
  2. Soylent Green Is People!!

    Sky fairies and imaginary friends are for children.

    Isn't it time that humanity grew up?

    September 9, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
  3. Reality

    And what else has taken place "under god"?

    Number of god's creations who died horrible deaths from the following diseases:

    1. 300,000,000 approx.
    Smallpox

    2. 200,000,000 ?
    Measles

    3. 100,000,000 approx.
    Black Death

    4. 80,000,000–250,000,000
    Malaria

    5. 50,000,000–100,000,000
    Spanish Flu

    6. 40,000,000–100,000,000
    Plague of Justinian

    7. 40,000,000–100,000,000
    Tuberculosis

    8. 30,000,000[13]
    AIDS pandemic

    9. 12,000,000 ?
    Third Pandemic of Bubonic Plague

    10. 5,000,000
    Antonine Plague

    11. 4,000,000
    Asian Flu

    12. 250,000 or more annually Seasonal influenza

    And of course the following have also taken place "under god":

    M. White, http://necrometrics.com/warstatz.htm#u (required reading)

    The Muslim Conquest of India

    "The likely death toll is somewhere between 2 million and 80 million. The geometric mean of those two limits is 12.7 million. "

    Rank …..Death Toll ..Cause …..Centuries……..(Religions/Groups involved)*

    1. 63 million Second World War 20C (Christians et al and Communists/atheists vs. Christians et al, Nazi-Pagan and "Shintoists")

    2. 40 million Mao Zedong (mostly famine) 20C (Communism)

    3. 40 million Genghis Khan 13C (Shamanism or Tengriism)

    4. 27 million British India (mostly famine) 19C (Anglican)

    5. 25 million Fall of the Ming Dynasty 17C (Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, Chinese folk religion)

    6. 20 million Taiping Rebellion 19C ( Confucianism, Buddhism and Chinese folk religion vs. a form of Christianity)

    7. 20 million Joseph Stalin 20C (Communism)

    8. 19 million Mideast Slave Trade 7C-19C (Islam)

    9. 17 million Timur Lenk 14C-15C

    10. 16 million Atlantic Slave Trade 15C-19C (Christianity)

    11. 15 million First World War 20C (Christians vs. Christians)

    12. 15 million Conquest of the Americas 15C-19C (Christians vs. Pagans)

    13. 13 million Muslim Conquest of India 11C-18C

    14. 10 million An Lushan Revolt 8C

    15. 10 million Xin Dynasty 1C

    16. 9 million Russian Civil War 20C (Christians vs Communists)

    17. 8 million Fall of Rome 5C (Pagans vs. Christians)

    18. 8 million Congo Free State 19C-20C (Christians)

    19. 7½ million Thirty Years War 17C (Christians vs Christians)

    20. 7½ million Fall of the Yuan Dynasty 14C

    September 9, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
  4. Redrum

    God doesn't exist.

    September 9, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
    • Rett

      That was convincing.

      September 10, 2013 at 6:49 pm |
  5. Landru

    That last chick says "why should atheists force this down everyone elses throat. Is that not the pot calling the kettle black. Doesn't that prt of the pledge (added part) force "under god" down everyones throat???

    September 9, 2013 at 6:42 pm |
    • snowman

      Uh, no....you simply do not recite that part if that's what you wish. It's a free country, remember?

      September 9, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
      • rh

        I live in a liberal town in a liberal state, and my kids are bullied only a little due to atheism, and it is all from teachers and coaches. No kids bully them about it.

        September 9, 2013 at 6:47 pm |
      • doobzz

        Why don't we take it out and you can mutter "under god" if you wish?

        September 9, 2013 at 7:04 pm |
      • Robert

        So why does anyone have to recite it? Why then do teachers more or less make everyone go through the motions?

        September 9, 2013 at 8:41 pm |
    • sam

      I love the deeply ironic part about how atheists are brainwashing their children for their own ends. Christians are so witty sometimes.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
  6. Huh - so that's what its like

    Huh – so that's what it's like when you put a camera in an insane asylum.

    September 9, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
    • Jim

      It was better with Jack Nicholson.

      September 9, 2013 at 7:25 pm |
  7. IReason

    Personally imthink the particular blue they chose for the flag is offensive to my people! You may call me prejudiced an petty, but this is a serious issue that should be discussed in an open public forum. You people ramble on about tis god and trust thing..... Come on folks wake up to what is important here. This bad blue can destroy the world's trust in Amerrorica

    September 9, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
    • Pearly

      Wow....incredibly poor analogy!

      September 9, 2013 at 6:51 pm |
  8. Jim

    What would happen if kids just chose to remain silent when that phrase came up and said the rest of the pledge without it?

    My guess is that, in some areas of the country, those kids would be bullied.

    September 9, 2013 at 6:38 pm |
    • Mack

      How would they know remaining silent was an option and what that meant unless they were told. Let's educate them to make up their own mind on the issue and the leave it in there. More silence will occur...

      September 9, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
  9. LI_Bri

    The "Pledge of Allegiance" all by itself is a joke. It's all part of the indoctrination into a "I live for my country" mentality. A bunch of 5-year-olds reciting some silly phrases that uses words that they don't even know the meaning of. Yeah, that pledge is real sincere. My loyalty is to myself, my family and my fellow man, not some patch of dirt with imaginary lines drawn around it.

    September 9, 2013 at 6:37 pm |
    • dubyuh

      If we can't brainwash 'em when thar young, we kain't git thar vote when they git older.
      Instillin' fear and hatred of outsiders is biblical. Hatin' communists or islamists is all the same to us.
      -Dubya

      September 9, 2013 at 6:44 pm |
  10. darknesscrown

    As an atheist, the thing I PERSONALLY have a problem with, and what makes me somewhat militant towards, is the contempt the conservative Christian zealots in THIS country have for me. I am WELL AWARE that the majority of Christians actually have no problem with atheism, but those people aren't the ones taking to the blogosphere or airwaves denouncing atheism as a "threat" to America.

    Religious conservatives' religious freedom is not being threatened by atheists. At all. Absolute NO atheist in this country is demanding that Christians stop practicing their religion...we just don't want you doing it in front of us just because. Respect goes both ways. If you don't want lawsuits, don't ask for them. If you show no respect, you will receive none in return. You are perfectly free to practice absolutely any religion you want in a church of your choosing or in your home. I certainly won't try to stop you. You rub it in my face, we're gonna have a problem. And THAT'S what people like Perino, and Carlson, and the rest of those Christian zealots (and the people who think like them) are actually mad about. They think they have a right to rub it in everyone's face because 82% of this country is affiliated with Christianity as their religion. Having a majority gives you no right to set the rules of what others must put up with in a country founded on equal treatment.

    September 9, 2013 at 6:33 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      Precisely. Thank you.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:42 pm |
    • david saint

      just remind them that the founding fathers were Deists, NOT Christians..and why did they leave England? To escape the king AND the church! it was one of the biggest reasons for freedom of religion!!!!

      September 9, 2013 at 6:47 pm |
    • Dubhly

      well said!

      September 9, 2013 at 6:53 pm |
  11. SixDegrees

    Stunning hatred and intolerance right out in the open.

    September 9, 2013 at 6:33 pm |
    • Jim

      Well, it is fox, after all.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:40 pm |
  12. Ricky

    If Dana does not like the separation of church and state, she can move to another country. It would be better for all of us.

    September 9, 2013 at 6:32 pm |
  13. Fr33th1nk3r

    I wonder what Perino and the other members of the FAUX NEWS think tank would be saying if we instead introduced the line "Namaste" at the end of the pledge, or better yet– "Praise Allah"?

    September 9, 2013 at 6:31 pm |
    • Michael

      Or watch Fox news?

      September 9, 2013 at 6:33 pm |
  14. Michael

    Never heard of her. Didn't read.

    September 9, 2013 at 6:31 pm |
    • Michael

      Sounds wacky with a quick glance through.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:32 pm |
  15. snowman

    Here's one for the morons...If you don't like the "under God" part of the Pledge, then just don't say it while reciting the Pledge. Problem solved for you morons....easy wasn't it?

    September 9, 2013 at 6:29 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      Why not change it to "under Allah," and let you not say that phrase. Doesn't sound so intelligent, now, does it?

      September 9, 2013 at 6:30 pm |
      • Redoran

        Excellent! The truth really rattles religion, doesn't it?

        September 9, 2013 at 6:35 pm |
      • snowman

        You sound pretty dumb, since Allah is God (to Muslims)

        September 9, 2013 at 6:35 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          Name calling? You must be a Christian. I see that you didn't care to answer the question. Typical.

          September 9, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
        • snowman

          I thought it answered your question quite well.

          September 9, 2013 at 6:47 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          Exactly, how would you feel about saying "... under Allah..." or seeing "In Allah we trust" on the currency.

          September 9, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
        • Robert

          So? Still means God in English.

          September 9, 2013 at 8:45 pm |
        • chelle

          No Allah is God in Arabic. If you are going to mock people, at least mock them correctly.

          September 10, 2013 at 3:43 pm |
    • Fr33th1nk3r

      I see what you did there, SNOWMAN. That was witty.....almost.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:32 pm |
      • Jim

        Ummm...maybe half-witty.

        September 9, 2013 at 6:41 pm |
    • Ken

      Nobody should have to opt out of saying anything in a pledge meant for all Americans, including those who don't believe in the Abrahamic god. Nobody tells Hindus, for example, that their gods aren't going to be taken seriously here in America because we only recognize one god here, and it's not one of theirs. This part of the pledge is a clear government endorsement of one set of religion over another, which makes it unConst itutional.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Why not remove it but believers can think it if they want.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:46 pm |
    • sam

      Having a bad day, moron?

      September 9, 2013 at 6:46 pm |
      • me_2

        well we are waiting for your answer

        September 10, 2013 at 10:46 am |
    • rh

      There is a basic right to teach your children your religion of choice. Having "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance infringes unacceptably on that right.

      Imagine every day you had to say "under Obama" – wouldn't like it, would you?

      September 9, 2013 at 6:49 pm |
  16. sly

    Last week I was at the NY Museum of Natural History – and I nearly died laughing when this religious lady told her kids: "None of these dinosauer bones are real – these were are manufactured and placed in the ground by athiests. God made Earth 6,000 years ago".

    Seriously – I looked at her children and just started laughing, and she got all mad and in my face.

    There is nothing more amusing than a god-ster telling us scientists that dinosauers are all fake. Well, except for that ark and the big fat white man in the sky and the little red man with horns and ... oh my life is full of amusement!

    September 9, 2013 at 6:28 pm |
    • sdadf

      haha...it will be a less funny world when the last of them dies 😛

      September 9, 2013 at 6:31 pm |
    • Redoran

      Many hundreds of thousands (maybe millions?) of Americans harbor this exact same belief. And we go watch scarey horror movies when the horror is right in our own neighborhoods. (The horrors actually dwell in that lady's house.)

      September 9, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
    • justa

      Ha ha, I'm so glad you laughed. People can be so ignorant. I have become a true atheist over the years. The more BS I hear coming from religious kooks the stronger my non belief becomes. Poor kids have no choice in the matter of brainwashing, hopefully they will learn to think for themselves.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:53 pm |
  17. dsfdsf

    I'm not saying we should put Christians in FEMA camps at this point, but I think a voluntary registration system and some sort of chipping technology would be a step in the right direction.

    September 9, 2013 at 6:24 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      You sound just as fundamentalist as many of the christards. Why not be better than them?

      September 9, 2013 at 6:26 pm |
    • NeilV

      Chipping they would consider some kind of Revelation prophecy fulfillment of the Mark of the Beast, and would only encourage their conspiracy theories. For most of us, it isn't the matter of keeping track of them that matters, it's how to get them off our radar that would be an improvement.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:30 pm |
  18. Gimble

    For a few morons who state they do not accept God, should we go soft on our belief. I am not Christian but I accept that we should have "In God we Trust" and all other ingrained statements that God holds in this proud Nation.
    An Atheist is only one step away from being a Devil worshiper. I for one refuse to take down a single cross, menora or any other symbol which signifies an acceptance of a religious power.
    If muslims can scream to Allah and we have to accept that then lets get this CRAP stopped. God is in my home. I am proud of it.

    September 9, 2013 at 6:21 pm |
    • Melissa

      Sounds like you're the mor on.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:23 pm |
      • NCT

        Sounds like you are lost. I will pray for you though that you come to know the truth. Whether you believe it or not, truth is still truth.

        September 9, 2013 at 6:29 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          What makes you so certain you have "the truth?" Are you aware that many people who serve a different god than you, believe even MORE strongly than you that their "the truth" is the only "the truth" and it looks nothing at all like your "the truth?"

          To bad there's no mechanism to differentiate between the god beliefs out there. All believers use faith, and faith is just no good at determining accuracy of a claim to truth.

          September 9, 2013 at 6:33 pm |
        • oldpatriot

          Your truth is nothing but a lie used to manipulate and control children. if you want to preach the truth why not do it with people dumb enough to believe your lies, children or other under-educated people!

          September 9, 2013 at 6:34 pm |
        • tat2U

          If the Christian faith was the "truth" there wouldn't be 30+ denominations of how to observe that truth, nor would there been a reformation, or a split with the church.... to claim something as infallible truth, it has to hold muster to the facts. and most religions do not.

          September 9, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
        • me_2

          you believe in some made up fairy tale and you think someone else is lost...priceless

          September 10, 2013 at 11:04 am |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      What does your belief or my belief have to do with the issue? The "under god" phrase was added during the red scare when people were desperate to tie the idea of "communism" to another term they thought was pejorative: "atheist."

      Why not make the pledge what it was designed to be and change it back to its original form? If there is freedom of religion in the US, why not take out a phrase that offends the beliefs of some? Why should an atheist, freely not practicing any religion, have to kowtow to YOUR personal beliefs? You're not really for freedom of religion, are you?

      September 9, 2013 at 6:25 pm |
    • Lovecrafty

      If an atheist doesn't believe in a God, how can they be convinced that a Devil exists??? Atheism, by it's very nature, prevents the belief in a devil also. Besides, if a Devil dis exist, and he is loose among us deceiving people and bringing people to hell to suffer eternally, what glory does this give your God? It's like your God is sitting there watching this and allows it to happen. Like a policeman sitting at a park bench watching a child molester mingle freely among the children! The concept of a Devil only betrays the weakness of a God.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:25 pm |
      • BeyondCoexist

        Exactly, Lovecrafty.
        What an excellent response. Atheism exists because there are those who question, those who challenge, and those that are not foolish enough to believe in the utterly ridiculous dogma that organized religion forces upon the world.

        September 9, 2013 at 6:33 pm |
      • NCT

        But you my friend misunderstand the point. God gave you a choice. You can either believe in him or not. If you don't, and don't accept what he has done on your behalf, he won't be the one sending you to hell, YOU will be. Because you have chosen that you do not need a God and do not need saving. After your life ends here, it will begin in hell. Hell is the absence of God, where you will regret forever and ever. Luckily God gave you a FREE gift so that your life would go on after you pass away here and then can spend eternity with him. The FREE gift is the sacrifice made on your behalf through Jesus Crhist his son. He came that you might have LIFE, because you are spritually dead without him. I will keep you in my prayers that some day you will see the light, and that you will finally feal his spirit tug at your heart and change your mind.
        I'm not being pushy, just want you to know all the facts. The devil is merely trying to sidetrack you from the truth.

        September 9, 2013 at 6:36 pm |
        • Lovecrafty

          But God DOESN'T give you a choice does he. Follow me or burn. You believe that EVERYONE ever born on this planet is going to hell, forever, if they cannot force their minds to believe in bronze-age mythology! In other words, if I can't make my mind believe that a 3-Toed Sloth got off of Noah's Ark after the flood and walked to South America at 6.5 feet per minute, then I am doomed. That isn't a choice at all!!!

          September 9, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
        • Jim

          No...I am not the one misunderstanding.

          YOU are free to believe what you want. If YOU want to believe what you wrote here, that's fine with me.

          But, I don't believe what you are saying (Preaching, actually), and therefore, unless you can empirically prove to me that what you say is true, then what you have said is just words, with no truth behind them.

          You go on to say: "I'm not being pushy, just want you to know all the facts."

          Please, what are the facts? and where is the evidence that they are indeed facts?

          Facts can be proven.

          September 9, 2013 at 6:55 pm |
        • me_2

          NCT

          Instead of praying for us non believers...since we really don't want them...do something good...pray to your god that he stops allowing innocent people from being killed...you know, 9/11,Katrina,Colorado,Newtown. You know...stuff that your god could actually stop from happening. Who know...you might actually get a couple of people to turn your way

          September 10, 2013 at 11:28 am |
        • mike

          I hate to break the news to you but heaven was created to give the poor and enslaved hope that there is something better. Also it helps weak minded people accept death. There isnt so magical land you go to after you die. This life is the end of the line. Personalities are created by a chemical reaction in your brain along with nuture as you are raised. They dont live on after you die. When you die you die. There is nothing else.

          September 10, 2013 at 12:10 pm |
      • jl

        thank you!

        September 9, 2013 at 6:57 pm |
    • chubby rain

      So the progression is christian (belief in god) to atheist (no belief in god) to devil worshipper (belief in god)? Makes sense to me...

      September 9, 2013 at 6:25 pm |
      • NCT

        Devil worshiper is a belief in God, but CHOOSES to follow the devil. The devil is merely the greatest fallen Angel that God created. The devil was kicked out of heaven because he wanted to be greater than God and wanted to rule as God.

        September 9, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
        • me_2

          wow is that from that book of fairy tales..

          September 10, 2013 at 11:30 am |
    • Kevin

      Actually, it's the religious who are only one step away from devil worship. Atheists don't worship at all.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:27 pm |
    • Fr33th1nk3r

      And your post is a perfect example of why nobody takes religious zealots seriously anymore. You just got done saying you aren't Christian, then in the same breath say atheists are the same as "devil worshippers" and that you won't take your cross down for anything.
      Got hyposcrisy?

      September 9, 2013 at 6:29 pm |
    • Marco

      An atheist is a step away from a devil worshipper? What kind of idiotic crap is that?

      The "In God We Trust" and "One Nation Under God" crap all came as a result of the cold war, it was NEVER there until the 50's, and was only a result of insane McCarthyism.

      This is and should remain a SECULAR nation. Anyone who says otherwise needs to be shipped off on a barge and set adrift to think about how stupid they are.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:30 pm |
    • oldpatriot

      So many have told you off already it seems like a waste but why not!

      You have to be a christian to believe in the devil, there is no such thing as a satanists who isn't first a christian. Your statement should be updated to read "a christian is only one step away from being a satanist" – Atheists aren't anywhere even close to believing in either of those fantasy figures.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:31 pm |
    • Cole

      You can have God in your home all your little heart desires. But there is no room in our government for any one group's preferred deity/deities.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:33 pm |
    • QS

      The level of ignorance displayed by Gimble here actually hurts me....it physically hurts me!

      September 9, 2013 at 6:37 pm |
    • guy

      obvious troll not so obvious to some people

      September 9, 2013 at 6:38 pm |
    • Leo

      Since atheists believe in no deity, spirit, all-powerful being, demons or devils, how is being atheist "one step away fro Devil worship"? I think belief in god is right there with devil worship. But what do I know? Apparently, I'm a moron.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:40 pm |
    • tat2U

      Devil worshipers. thats funny. Cause The devil is a christian figure. the only people that believe in the devil are christians. as it is through their books and beliefs that the devil exists. no where else. in fact. actual satanic devil worshipers are actually christian, simply because they must believe in christ and god to agree that there is a devil in the first place.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
    • Jim

      "God is in my home"

      Sounds like a very good place for him to be. Your church is another good place.

      But MY home, and MY government are not good places.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
    • Gobsmacked

      That is okay. It is your home and you can do what you like and believe what you wish. What I wonder though, is, even if the phrase "under God" were to be removed from the pledge, how would that affect what you believe? I propose that whether that phrase was there or not, you would still be a proud believer in your religion, right? Personally, I am just as comfortable with "in God We Trust" on my money and "under God" in the pledge as I would be without them. Whether or not those statements are displayed has no bearing on my beliefs one way or the other.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:49 pm |
    • jl

      Gimble needs to look up the meaning of atheist.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:52 pm |
    • doobzz

      "An Atheist is only one step away from being a Devil worshiper."

      What a laughable statement. Get an education, goober.

      September 9, 2013 at 7:11 pm |
    • American Fool

      Sigh... It is so disheartening to share the same country with such willfully ignorant bigots. No, Dana, no Gimble, nobody should leave the country. The whole point of this country is that nobody can tell us what to do or say, with vary rare exceptions such as war time conscription. Gimble, your post suggests that you really aren't quite stable, please get some help.

      September 9, 2013 at 7:36 pm |
    • mike

      Couple of problems in what you said. If someone is an atheist they dont believe in God or the Devil so they are nowhere close to a devil worshiper. They are actually worship nothing. Second doesnt sound like you "love they neighbor" you take offense to people "screaming Praise Allah" but have no problem forcing people to observer your religion. I for one have never witnesses people screaming praise allah in the us.

      September 10, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
  19. ned

    If the pledge were to be changed to "one nation, under Allah" people like Perino would be singing a different tune. Why? Because they really mean 'One nation, under a CHRISTIAN God,(only...thank you very much).They know it and so do we.

    September 9, 2013 at 6:20 pm |
    • QS

      Precisely. I can't agree more with that statement....they know it, so do we.

      I just wish they'd at least admit it for a change so we could finally start having the real debate in this country about what religion actually does and what it actually stands for.

      September 9, 2013 at 6:34 pm |
  20. Badeeba

    The "greatest generation" who fought and won World War II did not have "under God" in the pledge they recited. Did that make them any less patriotic than us? The struggle during the Civil War took place before the pledge even existed. Did that make everyone trying to end slavery less patriotic than us?
    FYI: The Pledge of Allegiance was originally written by a Baptist minister, who was also a socialist.

    September 9, 2013 at 6:19 pm |
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The CNN Belief Blog covers the faith angles of the day's biggest stories, from breaking news to politics to entertainment, fostering a global conversation about the role of religion and belief in readers' lives. It's edited by CNN's Daniel Burke with contributions from Eric Marrapodi and CNN's worldwide news gathering team.