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September 9th, 2013
03:29 PM ET

Fox News host: Atheists 'don't have to live here'

By Daniel BurkeCNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN) - Fox News pundit Dana Perino said she's "tired" of atheists attempting to remove the phrase "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance, adding, "if these people really don't like it, they don't have to live here."

The co-host of Fox's "The Five" was referring to a suit brought by the American Humanist Association in Massachusetts, where the state's Supreme Judicial Court heard a challenge to the pledge on Wednesday.

The group's executive director, Roy Speckhardt, called the suit "the first challenge of its kind," but Perino begged to differ.

Perino, who was White House press secretary for George W. Bush from 2007-2009, said she recalled working at the Justice Department in 2001 "and a lawsuit like this came through."

The former Bush spokeswoman added that "before the day had finished the United States Senate and the House of Representatives had both passed resolutions saying that they were for keeping ‘under God’ in the pledge."

"If these people don't like it, they don't have to live here," Perino added.

David Silverman, president of the American Atheists, called Perino's comments "bigotry."

"I, for one, am tired of those Christians, like Ms. Perino, who think that equality is somehow un-American," Silverman said. "If Ms. Perino doesn't like being only equal, it is she who will have to leave America to some other country that doesn't value religious liberty."

READ MORE: Famous Atheists and Their Beliefs 

In 2002, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals sided with atheist Michael Newdow who argued that the words "under God" in the pledge amounted to an unconstitutional government endorsement of religion. The Supreme Court overturned that ruling.

Congress added the words "under God" in 1954 amid the red scare over the Soviet Union. In November 2002, after the Newdow ruling, Congress passed a law reaffirming "under God" in the pledge.

Greg Gutfeld, another co-host on "The Five," continued the discussion after Perino, saying the Pledge of Allegiance "is not a prayer, it's a patriotic exercise. In a sense, it's basically saying: Thanks for giving us the freedom to be an atheist."

The Massachusetts case, which was brought by an unidentified family of a student at a school in suburban Boston, will be argued on the premise that the pledge violates the Equal Rights Amendment of the Massachusetts Constitution.

READ MORE: Behold, the Six Types of Atheists

It is the first such case to be tried on the state level: All previous attempts have been argued in federal court on the grounds that "under God" was an unconstitutional violation of the separation of church and state.

CNN's Kevin Conlon contributed to this report.

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Atheism • Belief • Church and state • Courts • Culture wars • News media • Schools • TV

soundoff (7,255 Responses)
  1. Doc Vestibule

    Don't you miss the good ol' days when you could destroy your neighbour's life simply by calling them a godless commie?
    Come back Joe McCarthy!
    America's middle-class, hetero, white, Christian men miss you...

    September 10, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
    • lol?? Pithiest, YES!!

      The socie mob is bigger. They destroyed the entire hood, err nation.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:26 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Roy Cohn was one of the worst of them – neither hetero nor Christian. Let's remember to she a tear for him as well.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:30 pm |
  2. SteveB

    I wonder what God-loving Americans did before 1954 (when the phrase was added). I say (with all Christian love) remove the phrase from everything and everywhere. We're spending a lot of money defending a phrase that wasn't there originally and nothing changes our beliefs without it. Take the money saved in litigation and feed the poor.

    Religious freedom is about being free from the government imposing religion upon you and about you being able to practice religion. Not about forcing the government to have religious phrases on coins, in a pledge, on the side of government building, etc.

    At least he's getting his 15 minutes of fame...

    September 10, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
    • Mopery

      Plus, wouldn't it be tantamount to blasphemy speaking the name of god in our pledge, or printed on our money?

      September 10, 2013 at 3:27 pm |
      • Bible Clown©

        Render unto Caesar, etc. Coining money is not a church's business, and didn't Jesus whip these people out of His temple?

        September 10, 2013 at 3:34 pm |
        • doobzz

          He sure did. He was pretty quick at macrame.

          September 10, 2013 at 4:01 pm |
  3. Vic of New York

    It's a testament to the imbeciles that ran the Bush Administration (begining with George Jr. himself, extending to that moron of morons Donald Rumsfeld, to his chief soulless draft doger fiend DICK Cheeney, and the rest of the cast of clowns that would give Banum and Bailey a run for its money) would hve put such a dim witted "Blonde" in charge of thier communications.

    If you're stupid to start with, no one has to worry about you questioning the talking points DICK is giving you. Would someone finally hang Perino out to dry?

    September 10, 2013 at 3:21 pm |
  4. Lazlo

    I'm am sure it has already been said on here, but if you feel that saying "under god" goes against your beliefs, just say "under no-god" instead. I am sure you will get some looks from those around you who feel differently, but hey, this is 'merica.

    September 10, 2013 at 3:18 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      Why must anyone say anything like the pledge at all?

      September 10, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
    • Eric

      The point is no one should have to say no god, Allah, or insert any god, goddess, deity into the pledge. The pledge should not be a proclamation of ones beliefs, but rather a statement of ones allegiance to ones country and for what it stands for. How much of a religious zealot one is should not be reflection of how patriotic one is seen. If you want to pray, then there is a time and a place for that. Many religious sects are affected daily by the introduction of the bible into many of our public classrooms as the bible is taught more than any other religious text in our American public school systems. There are more christian church services being held in our public school systems in recent years than any other religion. We can no longer say we have separation of church and state and when the old argument is raised that we are fighting a religious war we can no longer recite the treaty of tripoli with pride. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:28 pm |
    • Thinker...

      Because it is unconsti tutional. If there is one thing in this country that we the citizens must demand it is that the consti tution be adhered to without exception. The consti tution is the docu ment that sets forth how this country is governed and what rights the people have. If we start ignoring it to suit the majority then our country will belong to the highest bidder. If you don't like what it says, it can be ammended and changed, but there is a process for that laid out in the consti tution and that process must be adhered to. This goes for the NSA surveilance and the Patriot Act as well. UNCONSTI TUTIONAL.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:54 pm |
    • ROO

      Why should you have to say god at all? It shouldn't be in there in the first place.

      September 11, 2013 at 12:25 am |
  5. Seth Hill

    Greg Gutfeld: Having to say "under God" is not a prayer, it's a patriotic exercise, it's basically saying: Thanks for giving us the freedom to be an atheist.
    Huh? Say what ? ! ?

    September 10, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
    • El Flaco

      Let's change it to "Under Allah" or "Under Jupiter" then

      September 10, 2013 at 3:39 pm |
  6. Anthony

    i can't believe these morons didn't know that 'under god' was added in the 1950s, during the height of McCarthyism. This was a ploy by the US Govt. to weed out enemies of the state.

    this is fact. not opinion.

    September 10, 2013 at 3:15 pm |
    • Hey! You!

      Facts are irrelevant.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
    • lol?? Pithiest, YES!!

      Yup, he didn't even make a dent in the desires of kommie killer mommies and their goal of giivin' da wurld gang bangers, the special ones that lived.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:19 pm |
    • Mopery

      It is well known that facts tend to have a liberal bias.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
  7. Eric

    Atheists don't have to live here? Why does that sound so much like what I have heard racists say in years past concerning other minorities? We would lose many patriotic service members, scientists, and the like if all atheists, agnostics, secular humanists and the like simply moved. Freedom of religion is not the same as endorsing religion. I'm all for freedom of religion. I'm a little horrified that in America the Freedom of Religion act for Native American's was not signed until 1978 under President Jimmy Carter. However, no one should be made to feel like the refusal to recite a pledge espousing a belief in any god is unpatriotic. I'm a veteran and I'm also an atheist. My grandfather was an atheist in the Navy during WWII. We are marginalizing our very patriotic service members and citizens alike when we put the words under god in our pledge when those people do not believe in a god, are secular, and truly believe that what makes this country so great is not only separation of church and state, but also the freedom to believe or not believe in whatever one wishes. We are effectively undermining that separation of church and state when we allow things like this to occur. How many are aware that the bible is currently taught in many public schools? How many are aware that their religious text is not being taught in public schools? We need to bring back true separation of church and state before our country is further divided. Seems like only yesterday there were no christian church services in our public schools. Now, I look around and many churches are indeed in our public schools. Separation of church and state.... we haven't had true separation of church and state for some time here in America and it is only getting worse. Why is it that those who believe in goddesses are not included in the pledge? Why is it only one god when some believe in more than one god or even plural goddesses?

    September 10, 2013 at 3:14 pm |
    • Bible Clown©

      Hitler said the same thing about Jewish people. He chased away Einstein and almost every physicist in Germany, and they came over here and built the atomic bomb. Now FOX wants to run off all the smart people in America, because what could go wrong with a plan like that?

      September 10, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
  8. Galaxie3 AKA Shake

    I am not an atheist, but I know that the term "Under God" was added during the Cold War, and for the sake of the battling between Communism and Capitalism, to say that "God is on our side". Before that stand point, people were actually more religious than people are today, yet they didn't use the term "Under God". Now for the fact that Under God was put in oath since the 50's, people were more intolerant than people are tolerant today, so out of all the ways people say God right now (Allah, Ashem, Buddha, Jesus, God, etc), they only put up God. Now for the fact that there are Atheist, in my classroom alone (I am in 7th grade), they are still told by the teachers to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. They don't believe in God, so don't get why they say Under God? The Pledge would ultimately be useless towards them and their oath of being a proud US Citizen. I believe that everyone has the option to either say Under God, or just leave it blank. I think it is their choice, under 1st Amendment, that they have the right to say it or not! Other than that, there is no such thing as an "Atheist Private School"

    September 10, 2013 at 3:14 pm |
  9. Dyslexic doG

    Atheists live in the USA where we are oppressed by much of the populous using the Bible and Christianity as justification for the oppression. Is it any wonder we comment on this bronze age, nonsensical voodoo the way we do?

    There are countless ways the christian taliban affects my life and my family's life every day. You suppress science, you oppress women. You bully and badger anyone not believing as you do. The list goes on and on ...

    Areas where legislation is based wholly or partially on the Bible.

    1. the laws still on the books in several states preventing an atheist from holding office.
    2. Laws that try and limit the teaching of evolution in school.
    3. Laws that limit access to contraceptives.
    4. Laws that limit a woman's right to choose.
    5. Laws that limit gay rights.
    6. Laws that limit immunization against HPV.

    September 10, 2013 at 3:14 pm |
  10. ray

    this white piece of trash PERINO should be behind bars for having a hand in killing 5000 americans in iraq

    September 10, 2013 at 3:14 pm |
    • El Flaco

      Every American who died in Iraq died for nothing.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
  11. asdf

    How does taking " one god" out of the pledge, which was added in the 1950's, make anybody less Christian? Were we a less Christian country before the 50's?

    When you add religion to politics people start getting hurt. This is why the founding fathers separated it! Look at the anger that is generated on this fox news program – they are one step away from creating an angry mob. All because religion and politics have been mixed.

    September 10, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
    • Bible Clown©

      "How does taking " one god" out of the pledge, which was added in the 1950's, make anybody less Christian?" Five minutes after it happens, there won't be a Christian left in this country. The Pledge is the last thing between them and atheism. It's almost as if they don't actually believe in Christ and just pay lip service to it to keep their political power . . .

      September 10, 2013 at 3:25 pm |
      • asdf

        LOL

        September 10, 2013 at 3:31 pm |
    • madelefant

      You can't be a Christian and say what she said. The bible, Jesus, and the Ten Commandments couldn't be clearer on this issue. Jesus said, leave those things to Caesar which are Ceasar's and those things to the Lord which are the lords:Separation of church and state. When the state endorses religion then the state inserts itself in the place of god which is what Russia did. It also violates the second commandment in that the state becomes a graven image/false idol.

      So then putting all that together Dana is using God's name in vain. She's lucky this isn't the olden days or she might get stoned to death.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:32 pm |
  12. steelerguin

    Will I get arrested if they take it out of the pledge and I still say it?

    September 10, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
    • Hey! You!

      What law would you be breaking?

      September 10, 2013 at 3:14 pm |
    • doobzz

      No. You'll be beheaded with no trial.

      Moron.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:14 pm |
      • steelerguin

        Just kidding around, Bud. Are you one of those super serious types?

        September 10, 2013 at 3:21 pm |
    • asdf

      No, you will just finish the pledge after everyone else.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:34 pm |
  13. Reality

    A recommended Creed for Fox News:

    (nothing like featuring this story on CNN Headline News to generate traffic on this blog)

    The Apostles' / Agnostics’ Creed 2013 (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven?????

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
    ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen
    (References used are available upon request.)

    September 10, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
  14. Kat

    I think the main thing that people don't get is this: You will always have individuals in every group that are extremists. There will always be a Christian who shoves religion down your throat and an Atheist that always rambles about how God doesn't exist. The main thing to remember is that these are the extremes. MOST Christians will not try to force their beliefs on anyone, just like most Atheists don't always talk about not believing in God. People just need to get over themselves a little and see that you're always going to have someone who speaks their opinion and should probably regret it. BUT most people are genuine and "normal". They won't use generalities for specific groups of people and won't persecute you for believing something different than they do.

    September 10, 2013 at 3:08 pm |
    • Sue

      Saying that atheists are being "extreme" in saying they don't believe in God is like saying that Christians also are for saying that they do.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:13 pm |
      • Kat

        Please read the entire post before replying. I wrote "always". Always is extreme, no matter how you look at it. Atheists don't normally walk around all day telling everyone they don't believe in God. They don't *always* do that. Just like most Christians don't *always* walk around telling everyone that they DO believe in God.

        September 10, 2013 at 3:21 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      Areas where legislation is based wholly or partially on the Bible.

      1. the laws still on the books in several states preventing an atheist from holding office.
      2. Laws that try and limit the teaching of evolution in school.
      3. Laws that limit access to contraceptives.
      4. Laws that limit a woman's right to choose.
      5. Laws that limit gay rights.
      6. Laws that limit immunization against HPV.

      how can you say that most Christians don't push their opinions on others???

      September 10, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
    • Mopery

      If having the phrase "one nation under god" in the Pledge of Allegiance isn't shoving religion down my throat, then I don't know what is. Atheists don't want it changed to "one nation without god", they just want the damned silly phrase removed entirely. The Pledge doesn't need it, it really sounds so much better without it there messing up the metre. Go ahead and try it, try saying the Pledge of Allegiance without "under god" and tell me it doesn't sound a million times better.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
    • Glen

      Atheist who ridicule Christians for their faith are extremist who are intolerant of other people's beliefs.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:21 pm |
      • jens gessner

        I am free to ridicule any nonsensical claims, even – and perhaps especially – religious claims.

        Why should religion be exempt from criticism?

        Actually, religion would indeed be a non-issue if religious people did not constantly try (and succeed) to influence public policy without any rational justification. Restricting access to contraception and abortion, restricting gay marriage and undermining science education at schools are religiously motivated.

        September 10, 2013 at 3:44 pm |
  15. Jacob

    Atheists do not deserve this. in America you should be able to believe in what you want. Also, all things seem normal and nutty at Fox

    September 10, 2013 at 3:05 pm |
    • shaney

      Ohhh really??? apparently believing what you want only applies to all you wicked atheists, liberals and disgusting gays... anyone that believes in common sense, God or traditional values is ridiculed and targeted as intolerant to all your wickedness. Really fair isn't it??? But we are not worried because all you evil pinheads are in for a rude awakening...best wishes to you and yours!

      September 10, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
      • Gerald S.

        We should sterilize you so can't breed. Can't have your ignorance and lack of intelligence spreading.

        You are not special. Life existed before Christianity was even an idea in someones mind.

        September 10, 2013 at 3:26 pm |
      • Kat

        Thanks for making "us" look bad. Christians should not ridicule or degrade anyone for believing differently. You still have to have respect for others.

        September 10, 2013 at 3:26 pm |
      • MiissT

        People like you miss the point entirely. Liberals, athiests, whatever you want to call them, are not telling you what to believe, how to behave, or what to choose. Just like this lawsuit is asking for the removal of the phrase, not changing the phrase to something pro-athiest, most liberals just want the right to choose, and most conservatives want to make the decision for everyone. By not banning something, you are not agreeing with it!!!! I'll say that again, by not banning something, you are NOT agreeing with it! If you don't ban gay marriage, that doesnt mean you agree with it. It just means you are not going to make the decision for people. Same goes with contraception laws and abortion laws. Conservatives are trying to ban all of these things, and that takes away a persons choice. By not banning it, you still have the right to choose who you marry, what, if any, contraception you use, and whether or not to have an abortion. For example, I personally, would never have an abortion, HOWEVER, I'm completely pro-choice. Just because I wouldn't do it, doesn't mean I should make that choice for everyone. You can think gay marriage is wrong and against god, you can choose to not use contraception because it's against your religion. By not banning something, nothing is stopping you from making the same choices. Why do people like you feel like you have to control what everyone else does?? Liberals don't care what you believe in, if you like gay people, if you use birth control. We don't care! Because it's none of our business! Get out of peoples personal lives and let everyone make their own decisions.

        September 10, 2013 at 3:43 pm |
  16. Joe Mama

    As a strong atheist, I don't consider others' need for a god to be a threat to my non-belief. Let 'em have it.

    September 10, 2013 at 3:05 pm |
    • sybaris

      George Bush said that one of the reasons why he authorized the invasion of Iraq is because he belived his God told him it was the right things to do.

      What religionists do may not affect you directly but all that is required for them to persist in ruining the lives of others is for rational people to do nothing.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
    • doobzz

      What is a "strong atheist"?

      What about children in public schools who are being illegally indoctrinated every day by this crap? Children are much more likely to be bullied or belittled for not conforming to what the majority are doing. Why should Christians get to have their beliefs illegally promoted in public schools using tax payer dollars?

      The Constitution protects both the weak and the strong.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:13 pm |
    • TrulySaved

      Love you all. The Lord wishes all to come to repentence and gain salvation. Eat, don't eat, your choice – it's real and it's FOREVER.
      I find those who claim to be 'STRONG' athiests spend a LOT of time trying to convince others of something they don't believe exists. If you don't believe. Just go away. Live without hope, it's ok. I don't mind. Really. It won't change how much I love y'all.
      Very sad. Now, those who can't resist, there'll be a lot of nashing of teeth and claims of knowledge when in actuality there's ignorance and death in the athiests' lives. It's as irrational as believing people are born gay.
      Nobody has an excuse. Rom 1:20 EVERYBODY knows there's a God – some choose to deny it.
      Rom 14:11 Hope you find Him before He comes back – because you WILL bow your knee and confess Him as God.
      That's just the way it is. Not my opinion, His Word.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:23 pm |
      • Jumpin' Jupiter

        Well, the two references that you cited are the words of Paul of Tarsus - no evidence that they are the words of any god.

        September 10, 2013 at 3:26 pm |
      • stevef00

        Truly saved....To claim that you, and you alone know for an absolute fact, something that in no way can be proven or dispelled, is among the most completly arrogant statements I've ever seen. Where is your proof? Please....enlighten us so that we may all know. But...please don't use circular logic telling us that the bible is the word of god and the bible tells you there is a god. Give us something tangible and objective. You are not so brilliant as to be able to solve the mystery of whether god exists or not, as it can neither be proven or disproven. So.....if you have the proof, enlighten us, if not, then STFU!

        September 10, 2013 at 4:41 pm |
  17. Andrew

    Atheism. The next fight for civil rights......

    September 10, 2013 at 3:04 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Atheist marriage? In America?!

      September 10, 2013 at 3:06 pm |
      • ME II

        lol

        September 10, 2013 at 3:10 pm |
      • asdf

        I think that is called a civil union. Or, if you are from Alabama, going to see the JP (justice of the peace).

        September 10, 2013 at 3:25 pm |
    • lol?? Pithiest, YES!!

      I said that a long time ago. The A&A's want to be knighted with an Affirmative Action slot. The gubmint is the landholder.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:07 pm |
      • Jackson

        And I've said all along that you post nonsense...and here's the proof.

        September 10, 2013 at 3:23 pm |
  18. Fish

    I'd rather have atheists than GWB's pet poodle Perino. She wasn't worth beans in the White House and even less out of it!!!

    September 10, 2013 at 3:02 pm |
    • K. nux

      She was a spokesperson. She was Christie Brinkley for the Total Gym. One of the great minds of our time she was not. Her job was to recite what she was told to recite. Tough job.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:24 pm |
  19. I AM NOT SURE OF ANYTHING

    I don't know. Religion is so esoteric and at times mindlessly adheres to ancient altered beliefs that there is no truth to any of it, except what some people think they got from an edited set of stories.

    September 10, 2013 at 3:01 pm |
  20. Regina

    America was built on the faith in God. He has always been our rock and protected us. Because of these people that want to take God out of every aspect of our lives, we are having the turmoil that we are in today. I agree with Dana. God and the Bible were here before the Atheist were formed so they can leave or shut up. No one forces them to pledge to God or pray to Him. They are the ones that will stand before Him in judgement one day. If these atheists didn't believe in God, why are they so afraid of Him??? and afraid of others believing in Him?? If they had to live under Islam they would believe in that faith or be killed. At least Christians allow everyone to live their own live.

    September 10, 2013 at 3:01 pm |
    • I AM NOT SURE OF ANYTHING

      If removing a few words challenges your belief, then I would say your faith is weak.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:03 pm |
      • Bill Deacon

        If...words... challenge.. belief... you're weak.

        September 10, 2013 at 3:06 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      "God and the Bible were here before the Atheist were formed" ... ahhh ... NO.

      FAIL

      September 10, 2013 at 3:04 pm |
    • tom

      If you were born in Baghdad you'd be a Muslim. An atheist would still be an atheist. The reason being is that an atheist can think for himself and that is not geographic dependent.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:05 pm |
      • Chad

        If you were found out to be an atheist in Baghdad you'd be dead. There's the difference.

        September 10, 2013 at 3:14 pm |
    • sly

      Dude, at least Muslims are smart enough to know how many gorgeous teenage virgin chicks there are in Heaven.

      And NO laws!

      I will eclipse Wilt the Stilts famous 10,000 record in the first month!

      Trust me – God is Great. Allah Ackbar!

      September 10, 2013 at 3:06 pm |
    • Andrew

      America was built on tobacco and the escape of the religious view of Europe.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:06 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      'Because of these people that want to take God out of every aspect of our lives, we are having the turmoil that we are in today'

      So lets go back to when god was in every aspec tof our lives and things would be better? what time was this godly time exactly? during slavery? trail of tears? jim crow perhaps? tell us again of this marvelous time in American history.

      'No one forces them to pledge to God or pray to Him'

      except under god being in the pledge does just that. It forces a choice where none existed before.

      'If these atheists didn't believe in God, why are they so afraid of Him??? and afraid of others believing in Him?? '

      They arent afraid of something that doesnt exist but the followers of religions most certainly do exist and they insist on trying to push their personal religious belief on others.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:07 pm |
    • Sue

      Protected us from what, exactly? From war? From being attacked? From national disaster, or economic meltdown? What do you think he's been protecting us from?

      September 10, 2013 at 3:09 pm |
    • Jacob

      Why are you so afraid of the Consti.tution?

      September 10, 2013 at 3:09 pm |
    • Maizey87

      Oh my goodness, where to start. Regina, please do a little research about our founding fathers and their beliefs. Many of them were humanists and were very specific about keeping religion out of our government. Atheism isn't a religion that was just founded, there were plenty here when our nation was founded. A lot of people do and have in the past not believed in a deity. Tell me about today's turmoil. Are you aware that violent crime is at the lowest in our country then it has ever been? I believe you watch too much news. Religion has and always will be the cause of more violence and turmoil in our world. It's a fact, look it up.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      "America was built on the faith in God."
      "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..."
      – Treaty of Tripoli, 1796

      "we are having the turmoil that we are in today"
      Please name a period in American history where there was no turmoil.

      " God and the Bible were here before the Atheist were formed"
      And Hinduism was around before the Abrahamic religions.

      "No one forces them to pledge to God."
      Children are expected to recite of allegiance in school. A reference to God in a mandatory recitation is forcing them.

      "If these atheists didn't believe in God, why are they so afraid of Him?"
      Not afraid of God – afraid of those amongst His followers who self-righteously condemn this and that from a fiery pulpit and persecute those who deign to disagree with them.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:12 pm |
    • asylum31

      "At least Christians allow everyone to live their own live." Except if you're gay. Or a large number of other things they don't like.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:15 pm |
      • K. nux

        no. no. no. Remember that God doesn't like that stuff. They're just reppin' the G-man.

        September 10, 2013 at 3:28 pm |
    • Bo

      No, American was not built on faith in God, and not particularly on any set of unnecessarily-capitalized words.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:15 pm |
    • JJ

      That is just the thing Regina, Christians are not letting everyone live their own life. One should not have a pledge representing their country that was founded on religious equality that contains the phrase "under god". Even without the Atheist argument, there are Americans that believe in Allah or other central figure. The phrase "under god" is strictly Christian and should not be included in a pledge representing a country made up of millions of people with different beliefs. Also, the bible was not here before Atheists were formed. The bible is simply a book written by people that lived in a time when there were surly people that did not believe in god. And your comment that taking god out of things is why we are in turmoil today is completely outlandish. What has been the root cause of most wars: Religion. What is the root cause of a lot of controversial topics (i.e. gay marriage, abortion, etc.): Religion. The opposite is actually true. If you remove the beliefs in religion, these turmoils would not be an issue. You are an ignorant person.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:19 pm |
    • K. nux

      Christians allow??? Didn't know I needed to check with the Christians and thank them for not killing me for not believing.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:26 pm |
    • QS

      And people ask me all the time what exactly I mean when I say that religion is dangerous.

      Regina, you are part of the problem, not the solution.

      September 10, 2013 at 3:27 pm |
    • doobzz

      "America was built on the faith in God."

      No, it wasn't, as about two hundred previous posts have pointed out.

      "Because of these people that want to take God out of every aspect of our lives, we are having the turmoil that we are in today."

      No one is asking you to take your preferred deity out of your life. We are asking you to stop shoving it into our lives illegally.

      "God and the Bible were here before the Atheist were formed so they can leave or shut up. "

      No, your deity and your book of nonsense does not predate atheism, or countless other deities and belief systems. I'm a tax paying American, just like you. Keep your deity and your bible in your homes and churches, and out of the public schools and the government.

      "If these atheists didn't believe in God, why are they so afraid of Him??? and afraid of others believing in Him??"

      I'm not afraid of your deity any more than I'm afraid of Krishna. I don't care what you believe, just keep it out of civil law.

      " and afraid of others believing in Him?? If they had to live under Islam they would believe in that faith or be killed."

      That is because many Islamic countries are theocracies, which is exactly what you are trying to achieve in the USA, using your own version of god.

      "At least Christians allow everyone to live their own live."

      That is only in very recent history. Christians have murdered millions in the name of their god. In this country, it's against our secular laws, and I suspect that those secular laws, not their supposedly god-given morals, are the only thing that keeps them from killing non Christians.

      September 10, 2013 at 4:57 pm |
    • Bible Clown©

      ".If these atheists didn't believe in God, why are they so afraid of Him??? and afraid of others believing in Him?? If they had to live under Islam they would believe in that faith or be killed. " You must be very young and naive. Atheists must either hide or face persecution in this country. I have a wife and child, so I have to lie or dissemble. You actually believe Christians let people alone to live their own lives? Back in Merrie Olde England, before our ancestors escaped, it was illegal to miss church services. You had to pay a fine; often enough and you went in the stocks for a day or pelting, in Jesus' Name. Ever read The Scarlet Letter? That's how it was in early America; the priest owned you.

      September 11, 2013 at 8:58 am |
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