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September 17th, 2013
08:40 AM ET

Rick Warren opens up about son's suicide in exclusive interview


By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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Lake Forest, California (CNN) - Rick and Kay Warren stood outside their son's home, sobbing in each other's arms.

They knew.

They had talked Matthew, 27, off the ledge many times. But not this time.

A nod from a police officer who inspected Matthew's house confirmed their worst fears.

“I just hit the ground,” Kay Warren said.

On April 5, Matthew Warren killed himself with a gun after a lifelong battle with mental illness.

“The day that I had feared might happen one day, since he had been born, and the day that I had prayed would never happen … happened,” Rick Warren told CNN's Piers Morgan in an exclusive interview.

For the first time since Matthew Warren's death on April 5, Rick and Kay Warren are speaking out about his troubled life, how the tragedy changed their faith and their new mission to draw attention to mental illness.

The full interview aired Tuesday night on CNN’s "Piers Morgan Live" at 9 pm ET.

In 1980, Rick and Kay Warren founded Saddleback Church,  now one of the largest in America, in Orange County, California. Twelve years later, Warren published "The Purpose Driven Life," a runaway best-seller that catapulted the pastor into stardom.

At the same time, though, their son Matthew Warren struggled with borderline personality disorder and deep depression for much of his life, the Warrens told CNN.

He had a loving family and access to mental health care, but not even that could spare him, they said.

Matthew was a young man with a "tender heart and tortured mind," Rick Warren said.

“If love could have kept my child alive, he'd be alive today, because he was incredibly loved,” he added.

The Warrens also spoke during the interview about how their son's death has affected their Christian faith.

GALLERY: Rick Warren over the years

“I never questioned my faith in God; I questioned God’s plan,” Rick Warren said. “God isn’t to blame for my son’s death. My son took his life. It was his choice.”

Slightly more than half of Americans - 53% - think that churches should do more to prevent suicide in America, according to a new poll by LifeWay Research, a Christian company based in Nashville.

Evangelicals and other Americans appear to disagree, however, about using religion to overcome mental illness, according to the LifeWay poll, which surveyed some 1,000 Americans and was released on Monday.

Nearly half of evangelicals, 48%, say that people with serious mental illnesses like depression, bipolar disorder and schizophrenia can be cured by Bible study and prayer alone. Sixty percent of Americans overall disagree.

The Warrens want to spread the word that even though their story had a tragic ending, “there’s hope,” Kay Warren said during the interview with CNN.

“It’s so important that people know, no matter how desperate their despair, there is hope, and not to give up.”

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Death

soundoff (1,210 Responses)
  1. ME3

    Yeah...ummm you don't get borderline personality disorder growing up in a STABLE, LOVING home environment. Look it up if you doubt me.

    September 18, 2013 at 7:29 am |
    • Meredith S.

      It is biologically based. Don't look it up, u lying hog

      September 18, 2013 at 8:07 am |
  2. Reality # 2

    Why Rick Warren and others like him are not worth listening to:

    Putting the kibosh on all religion in less than ten seconds: Priceless !!!

    • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated/reborn Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

    • A constant cycle of reincarnation until enlightenment is reached and belief that various beings (angels?, tinkerbells? etc) exist that we, as mortals, cannot comprehend makes for a no on Sikhism.

    Added details available upon written request.

    A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

    e.g. Taoism

    "The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

    Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother's womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. "

    September 18, 2013 at 7:25 am |
  3. Tony d

    Creepy goatee man lost In delusion, that boy must have been so confused... Or is Ricky boy another pied piper of Jewish fairytales Purposely keeping the sheep from waking up , hmmm

    September 18, 2013 at 6:31 am |
    • Paul Rainwater

      the man looks evil, there is no hmmm about it

      September 18, 2013 at 9:29 am |
  4. Gerard Haughey

    I'm a Born Again Christian. I noticed this right away, did you?

    "They had talked Matthew, 27, off the ledge many times. But not this time"

    That in the bible // Matthew 27 // "Judas hangs himself"
    -----

    Matthew 27
    Judas Hangs Himself

    27 Early in the morning, all the chief priests and the elders of the people made their plans how to have Jesus executed. 2 So they bound him, led him away and handed him over to Pilate the governor.

    3 When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders. 4 “I have sinned,” he said, “for I have betrayed innocent blood.”

    “What is that to us?” they replied. “That’s your responsibility.”

    5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.

    September 18, 2013 at 4:07 am |
    • Sea Otter (Leader of Allied Atheist Alliance)

      "When someone starts off identifying themselves as a 'Christian', they are about to be an asshole." ~ LET

      September 18, 2013 at 10:14 am |
    • Realist

      ...............................................

      {{{{{{ ahem, clears throat }}}}}

      Your http://www.GODisIMAGINARY.com ...

      ... and thank goodness because he emanates from ...

      ... The http://www.EVILbible.com

      ..............................................

      September 18, 2013 at 11:43 am |
  5. yoseph Debebe

    Dear Pastor i am so sad when i read this,but the grace of God will give you strength
    be strong in JESUS!!!
    i will pray for you....
    from ETHIOPIA

    September 18, 2013 at 1:44 am |
    • I think therefore I am an Athiest

      Wake up yoseph Debebe and expand you mind. You are your own God and you alone choose your life's path, not some mythical being. Wake up to science, logic and reality or you are doomed with religious belief system. You are your own man. There is no invisible puppet master in the sky pulling your strings. Take control of you life and be happy knowing that you lived a great life with your brain and not thinking that when you die you go to heaven and have eternal and better life, that is ridiculous.

      September 18, 2013 at 3:44 am |
  6. E.J. Harris

    This is the time to stop pointing fingers.....Whether your a strong believer in faith,medicine,individuals,etc....Everyone should show compassion & respect...allow all things to work together

    September 18, 2013 at 1:11 am |
    • Dippy

      You're, not your.

      September 18, 2013 at 1:13 am |
      • .

        your

        September 18, 2013 at 10:18 am |
    • Dippy

      And put a space after commas. C- for you.

      September 18, 2013 at 1:15 am |
      • Burningguitar

        Please, we get what he means. No need for the language police... 🙂

        September 18, 2013 at 1:33 am |
        • Mr Dalloway

          Punctuation police you mean

          September 18, 2013 at 3:27 am |
      • .

        your,your

        September 18, 2013 at 10:24 am |
    • Sea Otter (Leader of Allied Atheist Alliance)

      "Everyone should show compassion & respect" ... Why would humanity start now?

      September 18, 2013 at 10:50 am |
  7. Paul Rainwater

    Rick Warren just looks evil to me. He should take some responsibility for how the boy turned out and why he wanted to kill himself. Myself being raised in a family with such CHRISTIAN Emotional ABUSIVE and psycho babble, it's not a surprise Rick Warren has no clue.

    September 18, 2013 at 12:37 am |
  8. Marlene

    God is great and god is good, but prayer is NOT the cure to mental illness. I have bipolar and ONLY my meds help. Science and religion MUST link and join hands. Brain chemistry has nothing to do with "God." It just is what it is and if you believe in God, you know that we have been given many medical gifts and it is our obligation to recognize them!

    September 18, 2013 at 12:21 am |
    • Brother Maynard

      Marlene
      Question for you
      Let's assume that there is a duplicate of you - Marlene2. Marlene2 has the exact bipolar affliction as you do, however she does not accept "God is great and god is good". As a matter of fact she does not believe in god at all. Would her medication work as well for her as yours does for you?
      If 'YES' then why would '... Science and religion MUST link'? Would that not prove that religion is unnecessary ?

      September 18, 2013 at 9:05 am |
      • WhatintheWorld

        The flaw being that one is vital and the other superfluous. I'll let you decide which is which.

        September 18, 2013 at 9:14 am |
      • WhatintheWorld

        No different than the old saw: "That and $5.50 will get you coffee at Starbucks." One is vital and the other superfluous.

        September 18, 2013 at 9:15 am |
    • KPerk

      I am confused as to how many people actually watched the interview?? The Warren's revealed right after their son's death that they had provided him with every treatment Humanly available. Including some that are quite controversial and extreme, such as shock therapy. No matter your feelings about their faith, this is every parent's nightmare and biggest fear. I speak from experience, as well as having many friends who have also been through similar losses.....Parents are not automatically prepared for the difficulties their children will face. There is no way to know what you will encounter with your children, and how extremely limited and helpless you will actually be when they are in distress.

      September 18, 2013 at 11:32 am |
  9. Mr Dalloway

    You reap what you sow, christians

    September 17, 2013 at 11:09 pm |
  10. Mr Dalloway

    Let's consider all the pain, alienation and death religion has caused

    September 17, 2013 at 11:06 pm |
    • Burningguitar

      Lets. On the 20th century alone we had Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and on this century we have Kim Jong-Un, and Assad. But oh wait! They're all SECULAR DICTATORS! They alone are responsible for millions upon millions killed. Yes, there are the Islamists, but they have nothing to do with Christianity and the church. Please oh please try to look at the facts before blaming the likes of Rick Warren and the like for the mayhem in our world.

      September 17, 2013 at 11:47 pm |
      • Doris

        "SECULAR DICTATORS" This is one of the lamest arguments theists have against atheism. Generalize much? In the U.S., do we have a society of theists and non-theists in a dictatorship? Get you head out of the past, stop dragging your spouse around by the hair in a cave, stop comparing apples and oranges and try to join the modern world.

        September 18, 2013 at 12:32 am |
        • Burningguitar

          Sorry, I stopped taking personal attacks seriously a long time ago. My wife is my treasure, and we love our two kids tremendously. All I am saying is that those who blame religion for all the worlds evils are ignoring a pretty deadly bunch of people. You gotta look at all sides of the coin, not just blame others without taking all things into account. Just personally, I would never blame you from acting like a caveman. Maybe you could learn some civil discussion skills, this site could sure use them. All the best...

          September 18, 2013 at 12:44 am |
      • I think therefore I am an Athiest

        Lame response. Another religion protector. Need we bring up priests raping young boys again! Man created God using fear of death. “How do you choose between believing in Jesus, Bigfoot, leprechauns, witchcraft, Island, alien abductions, the Tooth Fairy, gold at the end of the rainbow or the myriad other assertions that people have made over the course of human history? [Faith is] like rolling the dice and hoping you have placed your faith in a true proposition…However, if you are still inclined to place faith in an un-provable assertion, I am God, send me money.”

        September 18, 2013 at 2:02 am |
        • Mr Dalloway

          Christianity is the religion of denial

          September 18, 2013 at 3:37 am |
      • Doc Vestibule

        Secularism is not the prime cause for these tragic regimes – the misdirection of faith is.
        While they sought to eliminate traditional religions from their kingdoms, they did so in order to divert the common man’s fervour to their own cults of personality.
        Communist leaders like Pol Pot and Stalin would not have been charismatic enough to gain converts had they not learned the discourse of dogmatic persuasion from religious inst/itutions.
        Pol Pot spent 8 years at a Catholic school in Phnom Penh and Stalin 5 years at a Russian orthodox seminary. Historians have noted their speaking and writing styles ape those of the Church in being 'declamatory and repet.itive, with liturgical overtones”.
        While Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot put themselves into the Godhead position, Hitler publically professed his Christianity until his dying day and used Christian arguments to whip his people into a frenzy. This is why Nazi uniform belt buckles were emblazoned with the slogan “Gott mit uns” (God is with us).
        The Third Reich was no friend to atheists.
        Having been exposed to religious methods of persuasion in school at a Benedictine cloister, Hitler recognized religion’s power to keep the people compliant.
        Instead of purging faith like the Communist regimes, he purged atheism:
        "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out".
        The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, Oxford University Press, 1942

        All of those despots demanded blind obedience and obsequious submission from their followers.
        They tolerated no free-thinkers and enforced dogmatism. Those are they lessons they learned during their religious educations.

        September 18, 2013 at 8:09 am |
        • Lucifer's Evil Twin

          Doc – This same information is provided to the atheist haters all of the time... They never grok it...

          September 18, 2013 at 10:32 am |
    • Paul Rainwater

      What these ignorant self righteous religious fanatics fail to understand is the intense psychological and emotional damage they do to their own children in the name of GOD... as this pious buffoon sits there wringing his hands TAKING NO RESPONSIBILITY in his SON'S DEATH saying moronic things to his son in pain that GOD has a PURPOSE for his life, like this idiocy is suppose to be some kind of comfort... FATHER FORGIVE THEM FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO, blah blah blah ...

      September 18, 2013 at 9:14 am |
      • WhatintheWorld

        His god's plan was for the son to kill himself; another to be born with Spina Bifida; yet another to die of starvation at an early age; while someone else is a professional athlete.

        Some fair-handed plan. Only a lunatic or a charlatan would peddle that nonsense. Only the weak and gullible would want to believe it.

        September 18, 2013 at 9:17 am |
  11. John

    She let go
    She let go. Without a thought or a word, she let go.
    She let go of the fear. She let go of the judgments. She let go of the confluence of opinions swarming around her head. She let go of the committee of indecision within her. She let go of all the ‘right’ reasons. Wholly and completely, without hesitation or worry, she just let go.
    She didn’t ask anyone for advice. She didn’t read a book on how to let go. She didn’t search the scriptures. She just let go. She let go of all of the memories that held her back. She let go of all of the anxiety that kept her from moving forward. She let go of the planning and all of the calculations about how to do it just right.
    She didn’t promise to let go. She didn’t journal about it. She didn’t write the projected date in her Day-Timer. She made no public announcement and put no ad in the paper. She didn’t check the weather report or read her daily horoscope. She just let go.
    She didn’t analyze whether she should let go. She didn’t call her friends to discuss the matter. She didn’t do a five-step Spiritual Mind Treatment. She didn’t call the prayer line. She didn’t utter one word. She just let go.
    No one was around when it happened. There was no applause or congratulations. No one thanked her or praised her. No one noticed a thing. Like a leaf falling from a tree, she just let go.
    There was no effort. There was no struggle. It wasn’t good and it wasn’t bad. It was what it was, and it is just that.
    In the space of letting go, she let it all be. A small smile came over her face. A light breeze blew through her. And the sun and the moon shone forevermore.
    Ernest Holmes

    September 17, 2013 at 10:53 pm |
    • Wow

      Thank you for that poem.

      September 18, 2013 at 1:58 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      Very nice

      September 18, 2013 at 10:27 am |
    • Sea Otter (Leader of Allied Atheist Alliance)

      Natural selection at work...

      September 18, 2013 at 10:42 am |
      • Michael Davis

        It's not a shortcut to paradise. There are no shortcuts. She'll be thrown back into the physical plane again and again till she gets it right.

        September 18, 2013 at 10:46 am |
        • Sea Otter (Leader of Allied Atheist Alliance)

          What a ridiculous statement... you sound like you only have 5 out of 6 cylinders firing... you should get that checked out...

          September 18, 2013 at 10:52 am |
        • Michael Davis

          I was enjoying your somewhat intelligent banter, now you're just taking the easy path and being rude. Anyone can do that. I thought you were suppose to be superior because of your intellect. Keep on stretching that mind...it will open. Always take the high road if possible. You've lost all credibility with one statement. Grow up.

          September 18, 2013 at 10:56 am |
        • Lucifer's Evil Twin

          LMAO – "It's not a shortcut to paradise. There are no shortcuts. She'll be thrown back into the physical plane again and again till she gets it right." I have lost credibility? I'm not the one who wrote that silliness...

          September 18, 2013 at 11:04 am |
        • Bill Deacon

          No LET. You lose credibility because you can't keep your names straight. Not the way of Bushido my friend.

          September 18, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
  12. children of Israel

    Reading Isaiah 3:9

    September 17, 2013 at 10:17 pm |
    • Doris

      Good. Keep reading and give us a report in the afterlife.

      September 17, 2013 at 10:26 pm |
      • frankiedel

        You'd probably be wiser to do some of that reading for yourself before your afterlife comes. Jesus encourages people to be seekers of truth ... as he is the way, the truth, and the life and no one comes to God apart from him.

        September 17, 2013 at 10:36 pm |
        • I think therefore I am an Athiest

          Yes the great invisible puppet master in the sky! I think that I like Santa Claus better. Santa actually gives gifts and is much less scary looking.

          September 17, 2013 at 10:46 pm |
        • Doris

          Been there, done that, and I don;t believe that. How about those eyewitnesses – what were their names again? And where are their writings?

          September 17, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
      • Mr Dalloway

        Fantastic come back!

        September 17, 2013 at 10:53 pm |
        • doobzz

          Only if you believe that mud + fairy spit = human male.

          September 18, 2013 at 5:18 pm |
  13. nuclear mike

    "Crocodile tears"...the pastor is the center of the problems that killed his son...

    September 17, 2013 at 10:14 pm |
    • Mr Dalloway

      Fantastic return!

      September 17, 2013 at 10:49 pm |
  14. I think therefore I am an Athiest

    When one person suffers from delusion it's called insanity.
    When a group of people suffer from delusion it's called Religion!

    September 17, 2013 at 10:13 pm |
    • You're Almost There

      Or it could be called communism, Astros fans, Rams fans, being Dawkins and Hitchens fanboys...

      September 17, 2013 at 10:24 pm |
      • tallulah13

        The Astros exist. Communism exists. Dawkins exist. Hitchens used to exist.

        Now show us your proof that your god exists.

        September 17, 2013 at 10:28 pm |
        • You're Almost There

          That was a stupid argument and you totally missed the satire of my comment. And what part of what I said insinuated that I have a god? You people are ridiculous.

          September 17, 2013 at 10:33 pm |
        • tallulah13

          Whatever, princess.

          September 17, 2013 at 11:26 pm |
        • Michael

          Show me me proof that God doesn't exist. I bet I can provide more historical and scientific evidence God does exist!

          September 18, 2013 at 12:48 am |
        • WhatintheWorld

          The burden of proof is always on the one proffering the proposition. As you cannot prove a negative, your offer is a red-herring, a trick believers have been using for years. It is an argument stopper which is exactly what you want, isn't it?

          As for historical and scientific proof, please share. The world waits with baited breath.

          September 18, 2013 at 9:00 am |
        • I think therefore I am an Athiest

          Show it...there is no God. Live your life now. There is no afterlife. Do you not have a brain? You are living in fear of life when you are religious. Do you really believe that when you die you sprout wings and go to heaven and re-united with everybody that's ever died before you! Please...no wonder this planet is so messed up. Get a frickin clue people!

          September 18, 2013 at 2:59 am |
        • doobzz

          @ Michael

          I'll take that bet. Show me your verified historical and scientific evidence.

          September 18, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
  15. frankiedel

    I think some would be wise and consider what happened to those who mocked another one of God's servants, Elisha. God will only tolerate being mocked or having his elect mocked for so long. Repent and give your lives to God while there is time.

    September 17, 2013 at 10:11 pm |
    • Billy

      "or having his elect mocked "

      ????

      "erection" maybe???

      September 17, 2013 at 10:14 pm |
    • Athy

      Could be an autocorrect whack, but who knows?

      September 17, 2013 at 10:31 pm |
      • Dippy's Aide

        Athy,

        I'm surprised that you don't know that term. The elect are the chosen or selected ones - an exclusive group of people - the elite.

        (not that I think any god selected people, btw)

        September 17, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
        • Athy

          Thank you, DA. I have indeed learned something new. I'll have to google it.

          September 17, 2013 at 10:53 pm |
        • frankiedel

          Nice try but not the 'elite' ... just those who recognize that God is their creator and choose to live a life depending on and in trying to honor Him. Many are called ... acceptance is the only cost.

          September 17, 2013 at 10:56 pm |
        • Dippy's Aide

          frankiedel,

          noun, the elect:
          9. a person or the persons chosen or worthy to be chosen.
          10.Theology . a person or persons chosen by God, especially for favor or salvation.

          http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/elect

          September 17, 2013 at 11:20 pm |
        • Doris

          I'll go with constituency. 🙂

          September 18, 2013 at 12:14 am |
    • I think therefore I am an Athiest

      Oooooowww scary...... what...he will take away my wings and harp and give me horns and a pitchfork. I kinda dig that look, so do the ladies.

      September 17, 2013 at 10:39 pm |
      • frankiedel

        He won't give you anything ... He will remove His presence from you life because you choose to mock and reject Him ... remember, that He is all things good, so that kind of leaves you choosing 'death'. The Good News is that you still have time to ask Him for forgiveness and He will.

        September 17, 2013 at 10:46 pm |
        • I think therefore I am an Athiest

          Sorry, I have to get back to planet Earth now where there is a thing called reality! There is a thing called science there too. If there was a God, her name would be Mother Nature. A real thing not some metaphorical invisible hocus pocus. Don't get me started

          September 17, 2013 at 10:56 pm |
        • frankiedel

          Why do you believe that God and science are mutually exclusive – all truth is God's ... including 'science'. I am sorry also that you feel uncomfortable about speaking of God's love and what come after this life ... I truly think it would be scary for you if you thought this was it.

          September 17, 2013 at 11:02 pm |
        • I think therefore I am an Athiest

          so which is your God? Catholic, Jewish, Buddhist, Protestant, Christian, Born Again, Muslim, Mormon, Jehovah Witness, Four Square, Orthodox or are those Gods all invented by your God

          September 17, 2013 at 11:11 pm |
    • Mr Dalloway

      Turned into Dick Cheney?

      September 17, 2013 at 10:57 pm |
    • cybermonkeytech

      Is that the guy who god caused animals to maul children for? Because they mocked his baldness? There's a great rational example.

      September 17, 2013 at 11:00 pm |
  16. Sheila

    Based on his comments, I do not believe that Pastor Warren has a thorough understanding of what his son went through with his mental illness: “God isn’t to blame for my son’s death. My son took his life. It was his choice.” The spirits of depression and suicide are wicked spirits that seek to take over a person's mind and envelope them with so much hopelessness and despair that they cannot see the Light of God. We do not know whether an individual made a choice to commit suicide or if they were so overpowered by the demonic spirits, that they did not really know what they were doing. Of course this might sound absurd to someone who doesn't understand mental illness, but we cannot say for sure whether one makes a choice to end their life. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. That is not for us to judge. Satan will use the spirits of depression and suicide to wipe individuals out in order to prevent them from walking into the plans and purposes that God ordained for them, before the foundations of the earth. I pray for those individuals dealing with depression, mental illness and suicidal thoughts. I command the devil to take his wicked hands off these individuals and I pray that they begin to walk out of the darkness and into the marvelous Light of God. With God, all things are possible – even deliverance from depression, spirits of suicide and all the wicked wiles of the devil.

    September 17, 2013 at 10:07 pm |
    • tallulah13

      While I think that you are very familiar with mental illness, I don't think you actually understand the root causes, or the most effective treatments.

      September 17, 2013 at 10:18 pm |
    • Yvonne

      Thank you for your wise comments. May God bless you to be able to share this wisdom with those who have a need to hear what you have to say on this issue. Thank you!

      September 18, 2013 at 6:25 am |
    • Brother Maynard

      "The spirits of depression and suicide are wicked spirits that seek to take over a person's mind and envelope them with so much hopelessness and despair that they cannot see the Light of God."
      So that means that
      1) God is not omnipotent
      or
      2) You do not have free will

      Sheila – I think you are falling down the path of delusion, please seek help.

      September 18, 2013 at 8:43 am |
      • Sheila

        I am not sure how you drew your two conclusions. Perhaps you can expound. I don't believe that you know anything about demons, devils, powers and principalities – rulers of the darkness of this world. You are the one who should be seeking help. May God open your blind eyes so that you can see the Truth.

        September 19, 2013 at 10:22 pm |
    • April

      Agree 100%. I feel so sad like this could have been avoided 🙁 May God comfort Pastor Warren.

      December 7, 2013 at 10:52 pm |
  17. You're Almost There

    It would appear the anti-theists (because atheists aren't this disrespectful) here are the ones who are refusing to use thinking and logic. If you were thinking then you would realize somebody's son is dead, and insults make you and your group look like a bunch of children. If you were logical you would realize spouting off hate and bigotry toward theists on a web forum only serves to widen the disconnect.

    September 17, 2013 at 9:59 pm |
    • tallulah13

      I feel terrible for the young man who was driven to take his own life. But I don't have a single shred of sympathy for Rick Warren. The anti-gay actions of his organiation in Uganda have caused misery and suffering and probably death. Perhaps his own misery will teach him some humanity and kindness, but I'm not holding my breath.

      September 17, 2013 at 10:27 pm |
      • frankiedel

        The very thing you accuse him of lacking you lack.

        September 17, 2013 at 10:31 pm |
        • tallulah13

          Perhaps, frankie, but then I never pretended I was morally superior, as Mr. Warren has. He is simply reaping the sorrow he has sown.

          September 17, 2013 at 11:29 pm |
      • You're Almost There

        So you feel bad for the kid who isn't living nor has to deal with his pain anymore, but you don't feel bad for the parent who had to bury his kid. Looks like you've got your priorities all figured out.

        September 17, 2013 at 10:39 pm |
      • Mr Dalloway

        Very good post!

        September 17, 2013 at 11:02 pm |
  18. Sheila

    I truly do not believe the Pastor Warren understands the plight of the mentally ill, based on his statement that his son made a choice to kill himself: "God isn’t to blame for my son’s death. My son took his life. It was his choice.” I believe that mental illness has a lot to do with demons, devils, powers and principalities, legions of demons that attack individual with an overwhelming sense of helplessness. You cannot say for sure whether someone actually made a choice to commit suicide when mental illness is in the picture. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. I believe that spirits of depression and suicide are used by satan to get human beings to see nothing but the darkness that is designed to keep us from the Light of God. The devil is a trickster, a wicked liar, and for some reason, c

    September 17, 2013 at 9:56 pm |
    • crazyvermont

      Sheila,
      While I believe your comments are well intended and not intended to be unkind, I don't believe you understand mental illness in the least. Our son was diagnosed with Schizophrenia effective at age 18 and has successfully battle the disease for over twenty years through some very aggressive treatment and new medical procedures including DNA markers to determine medication needed.As a society we would never think of questioning diabetes, heart disease, cancer etc but we question the effects of mental illness or blame it on demons when a brain scan of my son clearly shows resembles the early stages of dementia. I understan it's a lack of education but sad we haven't progressed any further in the year 2013

      September 17, 2013 at 10:30 pm |
  19. rjp3

    Enough of this BS con man $$$$$

    September 17, 2013 at 9:50 pm |
    • frankiedel

      So where is your evidence to support your claims? This man does more in a week to help people then you'll do in a lifetime – perhaps you should get out a little more and start pulling your own weight to help society some.

      September 17, 2013 at 10:00 pm |
    • jd

      BS? You must be a dead man walking to say about a person who lost his son !! Heartless and gutless

      September 17, 2013 at 10:10 pm |
      • I think therefore I am an Athiest

        Don't worry. We have no souls. What we do doesn't matter.

        September 17, 2013 at 10:17 pm |
        • frankiedel

          'what we do doesn't matter' ... that is why you do nothing and someone like warren has committed his life to actually trying to help others and make a tremendous difference in the world. It is truly sad that you feel this way, perhaps you should re-evaluate how you've living your life?

          September 17, 2013 at 10:23 pm |
        • You're Almost There

          You are one depressing individual.

          September 17, 2013 at 10:40 pm |
      • You Stink therefore you're an atheist.

        No wonder why you don't have your soul. Any soul would rather spend the rest of the eternity in hell than a minute standing the smell of an atheist.

        September 21, 2013 at 10:47 pm |
  20. children of Israel

    Border line personality disorder, that is the new mental illness money scheme, life is like a movie called Sybil split personality. *Isaiah 3:9 The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves. *Matthew 9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. *Luke 7:10 And they that were sent, returning to the house, found the servant whole that had been sick. *John 5:15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.

    September 17, 2013 at 9:45 pm |
    • LCSWquilter

      As a mental health professional, I can say that borderline personality disorder is not a money scheme. It is a confusing, but real, disorder in which people live with a mind that is torturous. It rips families and relationships apart. There is no known cure, but for some people treatment may help ease the suffering and for others it doesn't.

      September 17, 2013 at 9:54 pm |
    • Doris

      Good grief, "Dr. Dodo". Gullible's Travels parts One nor Two are a bit of help when it comes to treating ANY kind of illness. Support of like-minded believers through encouragement and understanding are one thing, but the last thing we need are any more of are witch-doctors evaluating people from writings from millenia ago. Or as Thomas Jefferson said:

      "Whenever... preachers, instead of a lesson in religion, put [their congregation] off with a discourse on the Copernican system, on chemical affinities, on the construction of government, or the characters or conduct of those administering it, it is a breach of contract, depriving their audience of the kind of service for which they are salaried, and giving them, instead of it, what they did not want, or, if wanted, would rather seek from better sources in that particular art of science."

      September 17, 2013 at 10:03 pm |
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