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September 30th, 2013
08:55 AM ET
Popes John XXIII and John Paul II to be declared saints in AprilFrom Ben Wedeman, CNN (CNN) - Popes John XXIII and John Paul II will be declared saints in April, the Vatican said Monday. The announcement came after Pope Francis met with cardinals to discuss the planned canonizations of two of his predecessors. The ceremony will take place on April 27. It will be the first time two popes will be canonized at the same time. To be named a saint involves a series of steps, but the qualifications are straightforward, according to the veteran Vatican analyst John Allen. "You put a holy life and two miracles together, according to the Catholic system, you've got a saint," he said. FULL STORY
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Thanks for the heads up, great post.
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So God doesn't make men saints; men make men saints. Sound like a big pontifzi scheme
Beavers are fish, according to the RCC.
As a form of penance in honor of the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross on Good Friday, Catholics are supposed to abstain from eating meat on Fridays.
When Catholic explorers came to the new world, their diets obviously changed to what could be found in the local environment. In order to make sure they were pleasing the Pope, these early settlers wrote to the Vatican for clarification of what was meat and what was considered fish (which is OK to eat on friday).
So it turns out that pretty much any animal that spends a lot of time in the water is considered a fish. This includes beavers, alligators, manatees, otters, penguins, capybaras, turtles etc.
If you head down to Venezuela, they still eat capybaras during lent!
Mmmm... enormous ichthyan rodent.....
The Declaration of Saints an Abomination
For a better understanding of the declaration of Saints by the Pope we invite you to read the article 'Sainthood by the Pope', listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca
All the other pages and articles listed on our website explain how and by whom this whole world has been deceived as confirmed in Revelation 12:9.
And I'd skip the next house – they are Jewish. Watch that broken step on your way back out.
You're a towel!
Why would I want to read that crap?
Spreading propaganda again. Tell me, why is it you must spread the word of your imaginary friend? Is it not powerful enough to do it itself?
Shut up, you spamming troll.
Do saints get any special protections in H.ell? Because there's no way he was unaware of the molestation scandal and he declined to help. No God deserving of worship would ever let someone with that much to answer for in to Heaven. Maybe Lucifer will let him have a small fan?
Satan: [having been told his guests don't care about the Acura cake] It's not about them, it's about meeeeeeeeee!
Satan's minion: Wow, what a jerk.
Can't wait til the Saints play the Lions.
Looking forward to the rematch?
On the football field or the gladiator arena?
Grand old tradition that, christians as cat food, should be started again, yummy.
Obviously, today's followers of Paul et al's "magic-man" are a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man atonement, and infallible, old, European/Utah/Argentine white men and heavenly saints/popes and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices. Yummy!!!!
Well here's an interesting CNN story from 2012 regarding a saint.
[ "Mexico City (CNN) - Authorities in the northern Mexican state of Sonora have arrested eight people accused of killing two boys and one woman as human sacrifices for Santa Muerte - the saint of death - officials said Friday.
The victims, two of whom were age 10, were killed and their blood was offered at an altar to the saint, according to Jose Larrinaga, spokesman for state prosecutors. The accused were asking the saint, who is generally portrayed as a skeleton dressed in a long robe and carrying a scythe, for protection, he said.
Santa Muerte is a favorite among criminals and the country's drug traffickers. The saint, though not recognized by the Catholic Church, has taken off in popularity in recent years.
Many of the accused belong to the same family and one is just 15 years old, the PEI said. " ]
Supposedly their cult (the Holy Death), claims to have 5 million members worldwide, and is a blend of Christianity, Indian traditions and folk beliefs that arose in the 1940s in poor Mexico City neighborhoods and subsequently spread throughout the country. It has it's principle church in Mexico City. They are, of course shunned by the Catholic Church – I would imagine much in the same way that some Lutherans shun the Pope.
I'm sure they think they are doing the Lord's work.
Its, not it's.
But Dippy, "Its, not it's.", is not a complete sentence.
Let's go with: It's not it's, it's its."
Its is not it's, it's is it's. Isn't it?
What Bill said...
I like it! That's what I'll use from now on. The grammatically challenged won't get it, but it's still funny. Thanks.
agreed. so, they are a wonderful group of devout christians. they follow perfectly in the steps of their lord. great, great story.
i'm reminded of one of the greatest saints of modernity, the beloved st. charles (manson). even those reluctant to credit christianity with many transformed lives, even they marvel at st charlie
2 Corinthians 5:17 – Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
There's no evidence for that.
You mean there is no evidence those who are not in Christ can see.
right, bill, like only those in the know can see the little green men
@ Boof Deacon
Oooh, only the special, special people will be able to see the emperor's new clothes! LMAO!
@Bill Deacon,
So someone "in Christ" can tell whether others are "in Christ" objectively?
I'm sure a test could be arranged. 3 "in" Christians identify other "in" Christians in a double blind study; see how they do against random chance....
Perhaps, 2 studies, one with interviews and one without...?
me II how did you get that from what I posted?
@Bill Deacon,
I thought your statement implied that there was something see-able by people who are "in Christ" and figured that such an ability should be testable, if true.
Is that not what you were saying?
If I see a person I used to know and we begin to talk, sometimes I may notice that he has changed. His outlook is different, his approach to life and his view of himself has changed. Perhaps he has given up old vices or ways of thinking that used to trouble him or hinder his enjoyment of life. If I ask him what happened to me and he says "I have been made new in Christ", who am I to doubt his testimony? I can see the new creation. It is visible in his eyes and his manner. Where once stood a my old acquaintance, I now converse with a radically different person who confesses to me that it is not by his doing but the Holy Spirit that his life is changed. I don't have to know whether he is in Christ or not, but I can accept that his experience is genuine.
Why do you persist in testing Christ when your desire should be to meet Him?
@Bill Deacon,
Ah, so what you were saying was, "... there is no evidence those who are not in Christ [will accept as evidence.]" Is that fair?
"Why do you persist in testing Christ when your desire should be to meet Him?"
I would love to meet Jesus, but for some reason it has not happened. Testing is one way of determining the truth of a matter. Either Jesus is real and has not revealed himself to me, for whatever reason, or He simply doesn't exist. Many will claim that I have not made a proper attempt, but without objective measures that is a tautology, as it assumes that any attempt that fails is not "proper", or sufficient.
In other words, how else does one determine truth, but to test ones assumptions, environment, etc..
bill: if your desire is to meet christ, what are you doing down here?
bill: did you find christ at the bottom of a bottle?
No sam, I found him at the foot of a cross.
MEII, I can accept your "testing" in a broad manner of speaking. I think you may be testing the wrong parameters though. You seem to be looking for a photographic image or a strand of DNA, like a police officer. The saints (who I will rely on after the fashion of this article) consistently tell us that what we should be testing, so to speak, is the measure of our commitment to the betterment of others, the depths to which our selfishness runs, and the truth about the temporary nature of our lives when held up next to eternity. My observation is that most Americans, self included, are so far skewed towards secular, material hedonism that they can't even really comprehend the idiom the saints speak in.
@MEII, to complete my thought. I believe that no person who follows that path of self mortification and earnest seeking of Jesus will be disappointed. I just don't think it's possible to contemplate one's own life in relation to that of Christ's and come away without enough evidence to convince, perhaps not a committee, but certainly one's self.
I can tell you that deliberately choosing a Christina life has not been the path of least resistance for me and there have been many times I would have preferred to abandon my conviction that He was calling me to Him in preference for a bottle, or a woman, or more horsepower or more money or whatever. But the truth is the truth and that is that all those things erode and fade but one thing remains and that is Christ crucified and resurrected. Once you realize that, there's no putting the genie back in the bottle and the former world passes away. One literally becomes a new creation, with new eyes and a new mind.
Given that there is not a shred of evidence for any god, what BD found at the foot of some pagan symbol was a delusion that gives him a warm and fuzzy feeling. Like all who claim to be believers, he is mentally ill and/or a liar, possibly both. Unless he is being forced to claim he is a believer.
'Jesus expires on the cross! He is dead that we may have life. All creation mourns: the sun darkens, the earth trembles, the rocks burst, and the veil of the temple is rent in twain; my heart alone remains harder than a rock!'
St. Paul of the Cross
But slowly, under the piercing point of my own sin, I am at last forced to believe.
bill, do you consider allowing someone else to take the punishment you feel you deserve to be a moral act?
Wow. A quote...thanks for phoning it in, St Paulie's girl
I'd rather drink a St. Pauli's Girl than read St. Paul. But both are crap.
I would rather twist up some purple kush than do either of those
Amen. The testimony of hundreds of millions of people throughout two thousand years
and there are many more who have found faith in other belief systems. how can anyone claim theirs is THE CORRECT one is insande
insane, too
claim whatever, u idiot. so what?
Derek Murphy says:
So... just to clarify, you haven't actually read this book, but are pre-judging it based on another book you read? Don't you think that's a little ridiculous? Incidentally, the only evidence you give of your own credibility is that you are "very familiar" with the lives of Jesus, Krishna and Buddha. That's an unverified claim that I have difficulty believing, based on your obvious penchant for sharing your own ill-formed conclusions and prejudices.
So what you're saying is throughout the past two thousand years, there have been hundreds of millions of stupid people? That seems about right...
"When a Christian reaches for their book to reference a quote... you know they are about to lie their ass off..." ~LET
well, prepare for all the problems of the world to go away in April. Peace, everyone becomes healthy and propering, love between all.
I'm so glad the churches and god got together on this. That's what saints do- Right?
One woman prays for John Paul's help with something and they get a result that they're satisfied with.
What are the odds of something like that happening around a pope popular with about a billion Catholics?
They perceived a result which may have happened regardless.
Good point. A god that only gets results once in every billion needs, as a result of probably some triliion prayers, is a really poor example of an all-powerful god. W
Which for believers means that there must be a far more capable and effective one over "him".
Amazingly, miracles happen about as often as random chance would suggest.
Canonization of the likes of Pio and Juan (and now these two popes) eliminates any consideration of papal infallibility
What does infallibility have to do with beatification?
Disingenuous Boof, fishing for a way to look intelligent.
I don't think I would ever aspire to appear intelligent to you.
It's good to be realistic, Boof. Set your sights on something more achievable.
LOLOL
Until you admitted to making a mistake in the post below I thought you BD were infallible. Well neither am I, but lets leave it at that, could not bear to get into some sort of bonding.
You misunderstand. I'm not inviting you to be my friend. I'm suggesting you and doobz have some things in common.
Catholicism is the ultimate Christian vampire sect. Run away from it fast.
From the Catholic Encyclopedia:
"Theologians generally agree as to the fact of papal infallibility in this matter of canonization, but disagree as to the quality of cert-itude due to a papal decree in such matter. In the opinion of some it is of faith (Arriaga, De fide, disp. 9, p. 5, no 27); others hold that to refuse as-sent to such a judgment of the Holy See would be both impious and rash, as Francisco Suárez (De fide, disp. 5 p. 8, no 8); many more (and this is the general view) hold such a pronouncement to be theologically certain, not being of Divine Faith as its purport has not been immediately revealed, nor of ecclesiastical Faith as having thus far not been defined by the Church.
What is the object of this infallible judgment of the pope? Does he define that the person canonized is in heaven or only that he has practiced Christian virtues in an heroic degree? I have never seen this question discussed; my own opinion is that nothing else is defined than that the person canonized is in heaven. The formula used in the act of canonization has nothing more than this:
"In honour of . . . we decree and define that Blessed N. is a Saint, and we inscribe his name in the catalogue of saints, and order that his memory by devoutly and piously celebrated yearly on the . . . day of . . . his feast."
Read your own sentence:
many more (and this is the general view) hold such a pronouncement to be theologically certain, not being of Divine Faith as its purport has not been immediately revealed, nor of ecclesiastical Faith as having thus far not been defined by the Church.
In other words not a morally dogmatic statement issued ex cathedra.
Continuing on to the next paragraph from the Catholic Encyclopedia:
(not my sentence)
"What is the object of this infallible judgment of the pope? Does he define that the person canonized is in heaven or only that he has practiced Christian virtues in an heroic degree? I have never seen this question discussed; my own opinion is that nothing else is defined than that the person canonized is in heaven. The formula used in the act of canonization has nothing more than this:
"In honour of . . . we decree and define that Blessed N. is a Saint, and we inscribe his name in the catalogue of saints, and order that his memory by devoutly and piously celebrated yearly on the . . . day of . . . his feast."
Let Your God Love You
Be silent.
Be still.
Alone.
Empty
Before your God.
Say nothing.
Ask nothing.
Be silent.
Be still.
Let your God look upon you.
That is all.
God knows.
God understands.
God loves you
With an enormous love,
And only wants
To look upon you
With that love.
Quiet.
Still.
Be.
Let your God
Love you.
"The Altar Boy's Prayer" by Boof Deacon
My mistake, this is the prayer of the Sojourner Companions. A contemplative mission. I learned this prayer from a woman actually.
What???? You learned something from a woman? Aren't you afraid of the cooties?
The poor frightened girl probably could not make out what the h&ll you were about BD.
You guys seem like minded. Why not make yourselves friends?
'A great help to advancement in spiritual life is to have a friend whom you will permit to inform you of your faults.'
St. Ignatius of Loyola
By coming on this site daily you expose yourself to many pointing out your faults but as you said before "whoosh, right over your head." So many saints to quote, so many sinners.
Bill
He loves you while all the time telling you that you're faulty and not worthy of his love? It's not his fault that you don't obey everything he tells you to do, and you end up getting hurt?
Sounds like the same excuses that abusive husbands tell their battered wives.
Not sure where you get this but I think either your theology is flawed or your understanding of Catholic theology is mistaken.
Bill, which of Ben's points are wrong?
Two points primarily. The first being that "you are not worthy of his love" and the second that "you end up getting hurt."
I'm pretty sure the catechism says God finds us intrinsically worthy of his love and that our end is not to be hurt but to abide in peace.
the way to find peace is to ignore all the "salvation" garbage that christianity throws at you
'Brothers, do not be surprised and do not be afraid. Unwittingly you have pursued falsehood thinking it to be the truth. If you had been taught the truth first you would have been found effortlessly tending toward salvation, just as you now effortlessly lean toward perdition.'
St. Norbert, to the people of Antwerp
Wow, bill, very convincing
thanks for the quote
Of course, the only thing that the promised 'salvation' saves you from is rational thinking and the realization that there is no supernatural father to protect you when you are afraid.
I can't understand the christian desire to be treated like a child. I'm a grown-up. I am ultimately responsible for my own actions. I don't need supernatural threats and rewards to treat others as I would be treated. I certainly don't need a human intercessor between myself and my conscience, especially one that pretends to speak for "god".
'Do not compare yourself with weaker men but rather apply yourself to fulfilling the commandment of love. For by comparing yourself with the weak you will fall into the pit of conceit, but by applying yourself to the commandment of love you will reach the height of humility.
St. Maximos the Confessor
tallulah: they talk about god as if he were a loving father, but the picture they describe is of a petty, vindictive pr1ck. gopher is famous for that. but then, he is a coward
I think Catholic Mythology is more appropriate, Billy Bob Deacan Blues.
Those inane quotes from past religious scammers are meaningless.
Why do you still need a security blanket to get thru life?
Another quote. Wow. Good job, Boof.
niknak,
"Why do you still need a security blanket to get thru life?"
I can understand that some people just do need one. The problem is when they try to smother everyone else with the danged drool-soaked thing.
To be fair sam, can you admit that the picture you sometimes see is not the one that is painted?
bill: i am open to that possibility, are you?
Bill, I find it quite telling that you use the quotes of others rather than speak for yourself.
It should tell you that I'm willing to research the archives of great thinkers who present valid insight into territory you haven't explored
What terrific news! Now as saints theywill immediately be able to transform the World and bring peace happiness, health and prosperity to all.
I can't wait for April!
Saint John Paul, pray for us!
Why? He's dead, you know.