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October 9th, 2013
02:27 PM ET
Creationists taunt atheists in latest billboard warBy Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor (CNN)– A new video billboard in New York's Times Square has a message from creationists, "To all of our atheist friends: Thank God you're wrong." The video advertisement at 42nd Street and Eighth Avenue in Manhattan is one of several billboards going up this week in New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles, paid for by Answers in Genesis. Answers in Genesis is best known as the multimillion-dollar Christian ministry behind the Creation Museum outside Cincinnati. The museum presents the case for Young Earth creationism, following what it says is a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, which says the Earth was created by God in six days less than 10,000 years ago. Ken Ham, president of Answers in Genesis, said the idea for the advertisements came from an atheist billboard in Times Square at Christmas. During the holidays, the American Atheists put up a billboard with images of Santa Claus and Jesus that read: "Keep the Merry, dump the myth." “The Bible says to contend for the faith,” Ham said. “We thought we should come up with something that would make a statement in the culture, a bold statement, and direct them to our website. "We're not against them personally. We're not trying to attack them personally, but we do believe they're wrong," he said. "From an atheist's perspective, they believe when they die, they cease to exist. And we say 'no, you're not going to cease to exist; you're going to spend eternity with God or without God. And if you're an atheist, you're going to be spending it without God.' " Dave Silverman, president of the American Atheists, said he felt sad for creationists when he saw the billboards. "They refuse to look at the real world. They refuse to look at the evidence we have, and they offer none," Silverman said. "They might as well be saying, 'Thank Zeus you're wrong' or 'Thank Thor you're wrong.' " Silverman said he welcomed another competitor to marketplace, noting that after atheists bought a billboard two years ago in Times Square that read "You KNOW it's a myth," the Catholic League purchased competing space at the entrance to the Lincoln Tunnel for a sign that read "You KNOW it's true." "I would suggest, if they're actually trying to attract atheists, they should talk about proof and reason to believe in their god, not just some pithy play on words," Silverman said. Ham says part of the goal of the campaign is to draw people to the website for Answers in Genesis, where he offers a lengthy post on his beliefs for the proof of God. Ham insists that this campaign is in keeping with their overall mission. "We're a biblical authority ministry. We're really on about the Bible and the Gospel. Now, we do have a specialty in the area of the creation account and Genesis because that's where we say God's word has come under attack." Ham said Answers in Genesis made the decision to split its marketing budget for the ministry between a regional campaign for the museum and this billboard campaign, rather than a national campaign. IRS filings for the ministry in recent years have shown a yearly operating budget of more than $25 million. Ham said the marketing budget is about 2% of that, about $500,000 a year. Though they are waiting for all the bills to come due for this campaign, he said he expected it to cost between $150,000 and $200,000. Silverman noted that his billboards were not video and cost approximately $25,000 last year. He said another campaign was in the works for this year. "They're throwing down the gauntlet, and we're picking it up," Silverman said, adding that his group would "slap them in the face" with it. Ham said that despite criticism from other Christians for being negative and the usual criticisms from secularists he received on his social media accounts, the advertisements have been a success. "We wanted people talking about them, and we wanted discussion about this. We wanted people thinking about God," Ham said. The Creation Museum and the theory of Young Earth creationism are widely reviled by the broader science community. In a YouTube video posted last year titled "Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children," Bill Nye the Science Guy slammed creationism, imploring parents not to teach it to their children. "We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future," he said. "We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems." The museum responded with its own video. For the past 30 years, Gallup Inc. has been tracking American opinions about creationism. In June 2012, Gallup's latest findings showed that 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution. For as long as Gallup has conducted the survey, creationism has remained far and away the most popular answer, with 40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years. The Creation Museum said it recently welcomed its 2 millionth visitor since its opening in 2007. soundoff (8,748 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 Next »
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A liberal mulsim gay ACLU lawyer professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Karl Marx.
"Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Marx and admit that he was the most highly evolved being that the world has ever known, even greater than Jesus Christ."
At this moment, a brave, patriotic, pro-life Navy SEAL champion who had server 1500 tours of duty and understood the necessity of war and fully supported all military decisions made by the USA stood up and held a rock.
"How old is this rock?"
The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied "4.6 billion years, you stupid Christian."
"Wrong! it's been 5000 years since God created it. If it was 4.6 billion years old and evolution, as you say, is real.... then it would be an animal now."
The professor was visibly shaken and dropped his copy of Origin of Species. He stormed out of the room crying liberal, crocodile tears.
The students applauded and all registered Republican that day and accepted Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. And eagle named "Small Government" flew into the room and perched atop the American flag and shed a tear on the chalk board.
The pledge of allegiance was read several times and God himself showed up and enacted a flat tax rate across the country.
The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He dies of the gay plague AIDS and was tossed into the lake of fire of all eternity.
Amen.
That was beautiful. Just beautiful. I didn't understand it all, but still, just beautiful 🙂
This doesn't sound like DV at all. Unless he has chosen to incorporate every bad stereotype, ever, into a bit of satire. In that case, well done.
and these wacko's are the ones trying to get into our government and run are lives ! ha ,, the likes of Bachman , Ryan , cantor , etc. all recite gospel ,, they are not allowed into my government and preach ! we have too much truth and facts to blow throw fairy worshippers out of their world being flat ! and their square wheels just shows how out of touch religious people are , there WEAK , SCARED afraid ,, that's not living , be strong and be one with are universe and all the magic it holds , instead of living make believe !
Funny the Bible doesnt say the world is flat
Also as an ex atheist i can tell you im not scared or weak. I love life and God turned me around from the piece of crap I was. I can see that you live a pretty negative life which means that you cant see the truth unless you humble yourself and open up. The bible explains that those who live in sin are without him, but if you let him in you will see the truth
ex atheist? So what made you an atheist in the first place? Those of us who choose atheism due to education and logic don't become "ex".
Its "wackos," not "wacko's." And don't leave a space before punctuation marks. It's really distracting and takes away from your comment's impact.
y burrrrn?
Im an ex atheist and all I see in the comments... is a bunch of unintelligent crap from people who dont want an authority over their lives.
He loves you guys, open your hearts and you will find the truth, because what you are believing is total crap... I know I've been there. Dna cannot mutate itself to create a new species unless acted upon by something else, this means something changes it or it has to procreate with something else... and it cant. Interspecies relationships cannot procreate. The only type of real evolution is macro. Different kinds of a species can be created, but those species cannot make a new species. We think that since we find something new that is similar to something else, that something else made a new species... no. We may think we know all species but we dont. A monkey is a lot like a human... but a dog is too... are we dogs as well? Thats the logic of the Atheistic theory of Evolution.
I gotta get off this board, this was the dumbest comment on here!
"Dna cannot mutate itself to create a new species unless acted upon by something else" ...give Humans time...time to study, learn, use science, more answers come everyday. Gods are backward, ignorant. Sure they make you feel warm and fuzzy but a lie is still a lie, even a warm and fuzzy one.
Before you leave the board, Topher, why don't you answer my questions about the reversed retinas in fish and the blind cave fish that still have shriveled eyes? Forget about the dandelions, it's too much for you.
I agree with you. I'm sad that I was such a fool. My vestigial tailbone is poking me too tight.
I honestly believe I am a little dumber for having read this post. Holly shi.t, does it hurt to be this stupid?
We don't know...how about you tell us. Obviously you been suffering from stupid for a number of years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3jrcP-o6Vs&feature=player_detailpage
The story about how an evolutionist became a Christian!
In reality we do not have the ability or the authority to dictate one another's internal life.
Perhaps attacking peoples deeply held beliefs as offensively ridiculous is not the way to go. Creationism is an asinine argument extrapolated from a bizarrely literal reading of the bible (just like the rapture) and most Christians think it is asinine as well. When all the scorn and spite is put in print it alienates those otherwise rational believers and pushes them to defend their own religion rather than denouncing creationism as the obvious farce that it is. These angry denouncements of all religion allow the cynical right wing to portray thinking atheists as snotty elitists, contemptuous of all who don't agree with them. We should narrow our focus, realize that we're winning the fight against creationism in schools and understand that many rationally behaving Christians fall on the Secular Humanist side of most issues.
From the article – "For as long as Gallup has conducted the survey, creationism has remained far and away the most popular answer, with 40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years."
Sooooo, how exactly are we "winning" ?
Because it has been defeated in every legal venue that has heard the case. Because public schools can't teach it and because Atheism is the new insurgency into a world population that was nearly 100 percent in line with religion or claiming to be so for their own safety not so very long ago. Progress is agonizing and slow.
But you said "most Christians think it is asinine as well.". The figures put the lie to that claim.
Oy vey...ask yourself what was "defeated" and it wasn't religion. It wouldn't matter what religion they were talking about. The govt won't give precedent to any faith or even non-faith. If some numbnuts said he wanted all of congress to disavow any connection to religion and they had to make an oath to athiestic povs...it wouldn't happen anymore than forcing them to make a pledge to a god.
Until the govt outlaws religion....nothing has been defeated.
Creationism is an attempt to undermine science by making up more claims in light of the failures of religion. The creaotards are just hilarious in their attempts to bypass the scientific review process and going straight for "media whoring."
There IS nothing rational in a belief in a god.
How could there be, with zero proof EVER for any god.
...and which god anyway? Azura Mazda, Angus, Belenos, Brigid, Dana, Lugh, Dagda, Epona, Allah Aphrodite, Apollo, Ares, Artemis, Atehna, Demeter, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Gaia, God, Hades, Hekate, Helios, Hephaestus, Hera, Hermes, Hestia, Pan, Poseidon, Selene, Uranus, Zeus, Mathilde, Elves, Eostre, Frigg, Ganesh, Hretha, Saxnot, Shef, Shiva Thuno, Tir, Vishnu, Weyland, Woden, Yahweh, Alfar, Balder, Beyla, Bil, Bragi, Byggvir, Dagr, Disir, Eir, Forseti, Freya, Freyr, Frigga, Heimdall, Hel, Hoenir, Idunn, Jord, Lofn, Loki, Mon, Njord, Norns, Nott, Odin, Ran, Saga, Sif, Siofn, Skadi, Snotra, Sol, Syn, Ull, Thor, Tyr, Var, Vali, Vidar, Vor, Herne, Holda, Nehalennia, Nerthus, Endovelicus, Ataegina, Runesocesius, Apollo, Bacchus, Ceres, Cupid, Diana, Janus, Juno, Jupiter,
Maia, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Neptune, Pluto, Plutus, Proserpina, Venus, Vesta, Vulcan, Attis, Cybele, El-Gabal, Isis, Mithras, Sol Invictus, Endovelicus, Anubis, Aten, Atum, Bast, Bes, Geb, Hapi, Hathor, Heget, Horus, Imhotep, Isis, Khepry, Khnum, Maahes, Ma’at, Menhit, Mont, Naunet, Neith, Nephthys, Nut, Osiris, Ptah, Ra, Sekhmnet, Sobek, Set, Tefnut, Thoth, An, Anshar, Anu, Apsu, Ashur, Damkina, Ea, Enki, Enlil, Ereshkigal,
Nunurta, Hadad, Inanna, Ishtar, Kingu, Kishar, Marduk, Mummu, Nabu, Nammu, Nanna, Nergal, Ninhursag, Ninlil, Nintu, Shamash, Sin, Tiamat, Utu, Mitra, Amaterasu, Susanoo, Tsukiyomi, Inari, Tengu, Izanami, Izanagi, Daikoku, Ebisu, Benzaiten, Bishamonten, Fukurokuju, Jurojin, Hotei, Quetzalcoatl, Tlaloc, Inti, Kon, Mama Cocha, Mama Quilla, Manco Capac, Pachacamac
Logical fallacy.
Just because all those other god(s) are false does not prove mine is false.
huh? LOL, I think it certainly does!!
Look at this way...the only "proof" a Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu or whatever has is to A. point to their own holy book, or B. point to the beauty of life and they mystery of creation and say, "well how do you think it all got here?"
So. A. is B.S. easily proven for every one of these silly books in existence. And B. is moronic, it "proves" the existence of any deity, including the Wind God.
Grow up kids! Look, learn, love, listen!!! but no more deities.....please? then we also get rid of souls and after lives too, BONUS 🙂
Is that what you imagine?
To the extent it is not obvious, this ar.se-wipe is not the other "Colin" who regularly posts on here. Pick a different name, fvckwit. It's idiots like you who steal names who confuse conversations on here.
To the extent it is not obvious, this ar.se-wipe is not the other "Topher" who regularly posts on here. Pick a different name, fvckwit. It's idiots like you who steal names who confuse conversations on here.
True.
Well your life, this world, the changing of lives because of god are proof but you just dont want to admit it.
which god did you pick?
Time is almost up, at least four in that list have a Judgement Day coming, and two have already had theirs!!
Ahura* Mazda
Please don't anger the Zoroastrian deity or else Angra Mainyu will get you.
I don't like god(s) but I do understand that they are fictional. I do not like the idea of soul, but it also has zero proof so we can put that one up there with the invisible pink unicorns too. There is no after life probably. Wish there weren't any churches, synagogues, temples, or mosques anymore 🙁 I like to read about astrophysics, biology, and physics. Not deities, sigh.
Word.
You are a soul, you have a body. There is more to this world than your lil' human eyes and brain can understand. You can love the natural world (astrophysics, biology, and physics) and God. Lots of scientists have proved this as a fact.
The fact that a person can go along with a delusion is just great. /sarcasm/
You don't have delusions?
You have. I don't.
I have confidence in the materials of knowledge and application of my knowledge base gained through a life of learning.
What you have is arrogance. And you do hold delusions. Admit it.
I am arrogant because I know I'm right. There is nothing wrong with beating you freaks up in the verbal arena of the internet where you freaks are constantly drowning and floundering.
Get used to being the freaks that you are and always being wrong.
Here is a test for you freak...
Type out what "electricity" is. Define it.
Give the answer in your own words and how it is derived. Then go cry in the corner as you dream up of pixies waving a magic wand and tell everyone that is how the socket in your wall works.
Thank God you are wrong.
You are a delusional atheist trolling a religious message board. You don't know sh.t about science. There are 10 million religious people in this country that know more about science than you. You should shut up and listen to some of them. You need an education.
Thank the devil I'm Atheist 🙂
It's atheist not Atheist.
Then you should have no problem providing a list of scientists and their proven facts to support your otherwise unproven bullsh!t.
–You can love the natural world (astrophysics, biology, and physics) and God. Lots of scientists have proved this as a fact.–
http://space.about.com/cs/astronomerbios/a/lemaitrebio.htm
God dies in 3 years, 2 months....will you be ready?
No, they are wholly incompatible. Science disproves gods and holy books over and over and over again. The only reason that you can have highly intelligent scientists who are also deists, has more to do with the amazing compartmentalization of the Human brain, and the complex societal roles that we have to get along within.
Wrong. Science explains our natural world. It doesn't give answers about the spiritual aspect of our lives.
Colin's statement is correct.
Though there are those that seem to try and wedge science into the spiritual part of their lives.
I think the idea of having your own god, talking to it daily even asking it for personal things, is a funny notion. It shows that our species is still weak, young, and ignorant. But we have time...
Godless Vagabond
But do we have enough time?
Our sun is only half way in it's cycle. That is to say.. our solar system has roughly another 4 billion years.
The average human being lives to around the age of 80. So in these two comparisons the lowly human is just a mass of fear trying to justify their lives. Get over your freak jeebus already.
Well said!! I used to think that if Humans, or whatever Humans have evolved into by that time, would have to leave Earth as our star starts to die. But they are finding that quite some time prior to the Sun expending it's fuel, Earth will have moved enough in its orbit to no longer really be habitable. But by that time, Mars should be 🙂
GO SCIENCE!!! (down with ALL religion)
It's not "it's," dammit, it's "its."
And are we even really here?
As astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson explains, throughout history most of the great minds, regardless of their personal beliefs, give virtually no mention to any god for their discoveries and explanations. (Ptolemy, Isaac Newton, Laplace, Huygens, Galileo.) That is, until they reach the problem they feel they cannot fully tackle. Perhaps that is all God has ever been – a placeholder for discomfort or frustration over the unknown. It's simply always at the perimeter of ignorance; an excuse when, for one reason or another, one gives up investigation.
President Bush after 9/11: "Our God is the God who named the stars".
How erroneous. Two-thirds of star names have Arabic names. They came from Islam's fertile period (AD 800-1100.) During that time Baghdad was the intellectual center of the world, open to people of all or no faiths. During that time were some of the greatest advances known to mankind: engineering, biology, medicine, mathematics, celestial navigation; along with many "naming rights" – the source of the names of the numerals we use, terms like algebra and algorithm – all traceable to the 300-year intellectually fertile period centered around Baghdad.
Enter Imam Hamid al-Ghazali in the 12th century. He writes about math being the work of the devil. The fundamentally religious period of Islam begins, the intellectual "naming-rights" period of Islam ceases and it has since never recovered.
Young-earth Creationists are like al-Ghazali. They are simply stunting intellectual growth via commercial dissemination of their really, really, really, really bad "science".
Well said.
That's a great summary of Dr. Tyson's talk, "The Perimeter of Ignorance." He also stressed that non-believers have to acknowledge intelligent design because it occurred throughout the history of science, and with the greatest minds. He also mentioned that it's possible that believers are just constructed different upstairs, so that, for whatever reason, they accept religion without proof.
I wouldn't call "Thank God you're wrong" a taunt. I wouldn't even consider it trash talk. They have to come harder than that. I like the idea, but it should be more harsh.
R.E.
..."You should come to Jesus. Here's why: Say the Christianity is really really really improbable. Like, there is only a .000000000000001% chance of it being correct. Now imagine that the reward for believing in Christianity is infinite wealth. If you calculate the expected value of the decision to believe in Christianity (i.e., chance of occurrence * payout) you get infinite wealth. Do it. Join Jesus. It is rational. You ARE rational right? ..."
To answer this absurd sense of non-logic would be like talking to a tree and waiting for the answer. But this is the mind of a Christian, maybe not as scary as the mind of a suicide bombing Islamic extremest but surely the same degree of psychosis???
MADNESS I TELL YOU 🙂
How irresponsible to spew this kind of ill educated crap into the world. The saddest part is that the majority of people believe in this Creationism theory....
So? You believe in the atheism theory.
Hi Red 🙂 hee hee
Atheism is defined as a belief in no god, gods, or supreme being or beings
Science is defined as systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.
So where did life, Earth, the Universe and humans come from?
Evolution Theory (not scientifically provable due to no experiment replicating evolution and no observation of things physically evolving.)
Or
Ancient Aliens Theory (also not scientifically provable as no experiment can replicate Ancient Aliens and there has been no observation of physical Aliens)
Or
The Big Bang Theory (also not scientifically provable as no experiment has replicated the Big Bang and there is no observation of the physical Big Bang.)
CONCLUSION: Atheists either cannot believe in science or they cannot believe in the current pseudoscience theories listed above until science and technology make it possible to experiment and observe Evolution, Aliens, and the Big Bang Theories.
Since Creationism isn't testable or repeatable then you probably shouldn't believe that either.
That's not the question. The question is: Do Atheists Believe In Science?
So don't duck and dodge.
Do Atheists Believe in Science or not?
Are you an Atheist?
Do you believe in Science?
It's that simple to answer.
We all ready know that Creationists either don't believe in science or they do believe in science be they cannot scientifically prove creationism theory until you can do an experiment proving creationism and physically observe creation. Or they have to wait until science and technology reaches a point in which they can conduct and observe creation.
Atheists like to cherry pick their favorite parts of science – they conveniently ignore the parts that expose huge flaws in their theories.
We observed the universe and then made came up with the Big Bang Theory as it fits perfectly with the observations that have been made, how is that not science? We don't have to directly observe something for it to be considered science.
The father of the Big Bang Theory was a Catholic priest, FYI.
"Atheism is a belief in no god".
You're playing semantic games here.
A = lack of.
Theism = belief in gods.
A + Theism = lack of belief in gods.
It is a negative statement that describes only what one doesn't believe – it is not a positive belief in and of itself.
That would be akin to saying that being asymptomatic is a sign of illness.
You're trying to present "Science" as a belief system, like a religion. One doesnt' believe in "Science" in the way that one believes in Hinduism or Islam.
I do believe that the scientific method is the best means humans have developed for proper observation and doc/umentation of natural phenomena.
The world doesn't work how we want it to work. The world is. We can only describe it, and chronicle its workings. God is an explanation for the reason behind the Universe's existence, something which is unknowable and has no relation to what happens in the Universe.
DABIS
Creationism is not a theory. It is a hypothesis since there is not enough to work with for it to be a theory.
Please, do continue. You show an astounding lack of understanding of what science is and how it is used. Quite amusing.
@Joey Indeed we have observed a small part of the Universe (and granting the light takes years to reach us, probably the ancient Universe at that.) However we have not been able to replicate a Universe in experimentation and have not been able to observe the whole Universe. Therefore one cannot scientifically prove the existence of the Universe until technology and science reach the capability to do such observing and experimenting. Lol and we definantly never replicated the Big Bang and observed it therefore the Big Bang also is not scientifically provable again, until technology reaches to point to prove it.
@Doc I was not playing a semantic game, I merely copy and pasted the dictionary definition. However your semantics about Atheism being a lakc of god/s is 100% correct nevertheless.
Also Science is a belief system. It is a belief system based on gaining knowledge by observing the Material World via physical experimentation and observation. I am not trying to make science into a religion at all.
I would argue that anyone that believes in Magical Particles that become living and then magically become bigger and cooler looking particle formations (evolution), magical big bangs that create all existence out of nonexistance, and flying sky fairies from another planet called Aliens is believing in a religion. These religious myths about magically evolving, magically big banging, and magical aliens are even less scientific than some of myths the bronze age cave dwellers believed in.
Only difference between some myth about Athena guiding Odysseus back to Penelope and the myth of Magically exploding hydrogen atoms creating all the Universe is that your myths are only a few hundred years old to less than a century old and quite frankly, boring as hell.
DABIS
"Also Science is a belief system"
Pure comedy gold.
@Richard are you saying you do not believe in the system of Science?! Or are you saying Science is not a system?! Or are you inferring that Science is not a system that is believed?! Or are you just being a Richard Cranium?! (Sorry couldn't resist that last one. Very funny screenname btw. I am jealous you thought of it first!)
Well I guess that's okay, you can beleive in sky fairies from other planets and inanimate objects evolving to live if that's what you want to believe. It's still a free country.
Your opinion is duly noted.
So anything event that cannot be replicated must be magical?
That makes sense.
Petroleum distilliation is an unprovable theory because scientists have never made a fossil in a lab, let alone turned one into a viable fuel source.
Gasoline is magic.
First off I didn't make the definition. The dictionary did, but the dictionary might be a book of lies, who knows.
Also I was not talking about magic. There are two types of magic, one science actualyl can confirm, the other science cannot confirm, but since it does not deal with the material or physical technically science cannot trully weigh in on its veracity. Here are their definitions.
1. the art of producing illusions as entertainment by the use of sleight of hand, deceptive devices, etc.; legerdemain; conjuring (scientifically provable magic, atheists can believe in this type of magic and still believe in science.)
2. the art of producing a desired effect or result through the use of incantation or various other techniques that presumably assure human control of supernatural agencies or the forces of nature. (scientifically unprovable magic that cannot be experimented on nor physically observed and also by its definition does not pertain to the Material World. Atheists can believe in this type of magic, but they cannot believe in science if they do, or alternatively science and technology has not reached the point as with the other theories in which science can prove this type of magic.)
Petroleum distillation does not fit the definition of magic due to lack of an illusion for entertainment and lack of supernatural gasoline forces for humans to control via incatations and other techniques. Petroleum distillation can be scientifically proven because petroleum distillation is a physical process of the Material World that has been experimented on many times and can be physically observed.
Gasoline is also not magic as per the definition of magic (netiher scientifically accepted magic or non-scientific magic.) Gasoline also is scientifically provable as it physically exists in the Material World, can be replicated through experimentation with the fuel distillation process, and can be physically observed. 🙂
It can't be science either though because nobody has ever observed a fossil become oil.
@Joey: No, the gasoline distillation is what he asserted was not science but he added in a non-sequitar about oil. What you are implying is that oil cannot be scientifically proven to be fossils. (All though is my wild memory serves me correctly I believe scientists were able to physically experiment and replicate creating oil and coal by compressing carbon and then observed it, thus making oil scientifically provable. Honestly not too sure about oil, but you can at least prove it is possible for coal scientifically. Might need to look up the oil one lol!)
So are you suggesting that we shouldn't attempt to explain how the universe came to be since we may not ever be able to create one in a lab? I don't see how taking the observations we have and coming up with a theory that helps to explain them is bad. Could the Big Bang Theory be wrong, sure, but so far it is the best explanation we have. Creationists, however, just want to say god did it, which in the end doesn't help to explain anything at all.
"There are two types of magic,"
This keeps getting funnier and funnier
@Joey– I am not saying you shouldn't ask great questions of the Universe at all. In fact that's why I include the clause that while none of these mythic theories about aleins, deities, and evolution are scientifically provable until science and technology can bring us to a capability to begin real scientific research on them. That's the beauty of science man. Science hasn't answered all questions......yet. There is not much evidence for most stuff in the realms of philosophy/religion/belief, even the whacko pseudoscience like the Big Bang. However if we don't blow our planet up we might stand a good chance to at least endeavor to ask and answer these theories definitively. I give you some props Joey, I don't agree with you much, but I like your mode of thinking and approach.
@Richard. There are indeed two types of magic, at least if the dictionary is to be believed. Maybe your laughter implies it is not. Perhaps I should re-evaluate my trust in silly books like the Dictionary. Technically there's more definitions than that for magic, but those lesser definitions only apply to referring to the two definitions I copy and pasted for you 🙂
To say that "there's no observation of things physically evolving" is simply untrue. Evolution of antibacterial resistance in bacter, evolution of mussels in response to crab populations, and fish evolution in response to fishing pressures, just to name a couple off the top of my head.
Just because I do not understand something, eg, Big Bang theory, does not mean that I must throw up my hands and declare that a diety simply *must* have been the mastermind of such a contraption. Shall we listen to the bible and limit our practice of medicine to only those procedures in the bible? No! Shall we deny the central dogma of genes to proteins simply because the bible does not teach us molecular biology? Tell me where the technology to ablate tumors with gamma radiation is mentioned anywhere in the bible.
Show me the material evolution of those fish and mussels and also replicate it in an experiment. Changing habits or becoming contaminated is not physical evolution. Bacteria can develop drug resistance, potheads have been recorded to be able to develop resistance to drugs too, but they didn't physically evolve. Did the fish and mussels physically evolve or did they culturally evolve (change their habits.) The bacteria thing is shelved as far as I am concerned, but if you can provide me with video and pictures of fish and mussels physically/materially evolving I'd be hella interested in watching it! I'm down with it if you can prove it.
Also we're not talking about creationism, we all ready proved in a few posts above yours that creationism either isn't scientifically provable or at least is not provable until technology and science reach a greater level of capability. The point is you shouldn't just throw up your hands and say "well science must have masterminded my theory of big bang, evolution, etc." simply because you don't understand it.
This is hilarious. Attack science. That is a new level of denying reality.
Why are you attacking science?
You should defend science like me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTedvV6oZjo
Believers, if you do just one thing today, please watch the above video.
You don't believe in anything?
Ok, because you don't understand context, "people who believe, despite no supporting evidence, that your supernatural beliefs are correct, please. . ."
Which of my supernatural beliefs are incorrect? You don't know me!
Given that I believe the probability of there being any supernatural beings is virtually zero, I have to say all of them.
Closed minded? Ok.
Nope, just haven't seen any evidence to move off "virtually zero."
Do you believe there are supernatural beings? With what degree of certainty or probability?
Good Video 🙂 scary statistics 🙁
"From a Christian's perspective, they believe when they die, they're going to spend eternity with God. And we say 'no, you're not going to spend eternity with God, you're going to go thru the three bardos for forty-nine days before either entering nirvana or returning for a rebirth. And if you're a Christian, it's gonna be a rebirth!' That or Thor's going to fry you with his hammer."
"Creationists Taunt Atheists." That's a bit like a headline saying "Mentally Retarded children taunt University Professors."
Most atheists are not university professors. They are not qualified. Most creationists are not mentally retarded. Only a sick and twisted mind would come up with that analogy. Congrats on showing us your true colors.
I beg to differ there is no way you can be a Creationist and not be mentally retarded.
Good one. Does it make you feel better now?
No, the simple fact that Creationists exists makes me sad.
Go see a therapist. That is your problem, not theirs. Seriously.
I agree creationists are a problem.
I beg to differ, too. Anybody who thinks the Universe began less than 10,000 years ago is mentally retarded.
I, Colin,believe anyone who thinks the Universe began less than 10,000 years ago is mentally retarded. It is my personal opinion and not a fact held by any mental health experts.
Fixed.
It's "Creationists taunt atheists." That's a bit like a headline saying "Mentally retarded children taunt university professors." not "Creationists Taunt Atheists." That's a bit like a headline saying "Mentally Retarded children taunt University Professors."
Mentally retarded? Well then where is the infallible proof of Evolution? We've provided proof that no one has ever been able to debunk or deny and we're still waiting on "faith shaking proof" but every time a Christian is in a debate with an Atheist, the Atheist doesn't know how to reply, says Evolution can't be observed or tested, doesn't know simple biblical knowledge, or they hang up on callers when it gets too hard for them like Matt Dillahunty. Atheism is blind ignorant faith and its shocking how much Atheists dont truly understand about the common sense of science. So no we are not Mentally Handicapped.
Dogs and humans shared a common ancestor about 85-95 million years ago.
Your opinion is duly noted.
I don't think Creationists are mentally retarded. They were simply denied a good education, probably in favor of a religious education, which emphasizes mythology over information.
I went to public school and was only taught Evolution. Learned it, believed it... But it never fully made sense to me and then I realized... DNA cannot just mutate on its own, nor can interspecies relationships procreate, and uhhh we've kinda been the same for thousands of years where is our Evolution? Evolution is not observable or testable which is why it is just a theory based on blind faith. You haven't seen it happen, you see fossils that look like another animal, so you blindly believe it happened. As a man has a penis, eyes, tongue, legs, hair, brain, ears... so does a dog... are we dogs too? Cause that's the logic of Atheists who follow Evolution. For faith in God. When I was an Atheist I felt God's love for the first time and I let him in and felt his presence and he changed my life for the better. I don't follow crap on assumptions or blind faith like Evolution.
Godless Vagabond
Good grief, Ian. What school did you go to to learn evolution? Your concept of evolution is wrong in so many ways it would be impossible to even begin to correct you. Go back to a different school and try again. And stay awake this time!
dogs and humans shared a common ancestor 85-95 million years ago.
So you've never heard of a mutation ian? That's odd. So, apparently your statement "Learned it, believed it" is incorrect. You may have believed it, but you never learned it.
You don't follow crap on assumptions or blind faith? Oh really? Because there is no evidence of a god, but you believe it with blind faith. You "felt" something that made you think god was real? You "felt" his love? Oh... well, I don't believe you. I would even have to have faith just to believe you, let alone your dogma.
Nice try.
Ian you either had the worst bio teacher ever or suffer some sort of cognitive impairment. Sorry, I really don't know how to help someone who is that far off understanding middle school science.,
Just to be clear, ian. You made the following statement: I realized... DNA cannot just mutate on its own.
That's partially correct. It doesn't just up and mutate in place, all by itself. Mutations occur either because the DNA is damaged (via radiation, or chemicals), or because errors occur when the DNA is copied during cell division. But both of these things do occur on a regular basis.
Why haven't we changed for thousands of years? Uh... because we haven't. But given hundreds of millions of years, these gradual changes have a profound effect on the species of life existing on earth at any given time.
The fact that a new species hasn't mutated from humans lately, does not point to any problem with how evolution works.
Unless you think the earth is just 10,000 years old. If so, then I'll know you never paid attention in science class, and this conversation is over.
Silly christians, myths are for kids... 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fBARdXg1s68
Funny part is, the creationists STILL have no way to prove us wrong.
Just because you believers say it happened is not proof of it.
Your sky fairy myth is just that, a myth.
Why do you use a myth to counter a myth?
Science is a hit!