October 9th, 2013
02:27 PM ET
Creationists taunt atheists in latest billboard war
By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
(CNN)– A new video billboard in New York's Times Square has a message from creationists, "To all of our atheist friends: Thank God you're wrong."
The video advertisement at 42nd Street and Eighth Avenue in Manhattan is one of several billboards going up this week in New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles, paid for by Answers in Genesis.
Answers in Genesis is best known as the multimillion-dollar Christian ministry behind the Creation Museum outside Cincinnati.
The museum presents the case for Young Earth creationism, following what it says is a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, which says the Earth was created by God in six days less than 10,000 years ago.
Ken Ham, president of Answers in Genesis, said the idea for the advertisements came from an atheist billboard in Times Square at Christmas.
During the holidays, the American Atheists put up a billboard with images of Santa Claus and Jesus that read: "Keep the Merry, dump the myth."
“The Bible says to contend for the faith,” Ham said. “We thought we should come up with something that would make a statement in the culture, a bold statement, and direct them to our website.
"We're not against them personally. We're not trying to attack them personally, but we do believe they're wrong," he said.
"From an atheist's perspective, they believe when they die, they cease to exist. And we say 'no, you're not going to cease to exist; you're going to spend eternity with God or without God. And if you're an atheist, you're going to be spending it without God.' "
Dave Silverman, president of the American Atheists, said he felt sad for creationists when he saw the billboards.
"They refuse to look at the real world. They refuse to look at the evidence we have, and they offer none," Silverman said. "They might as well be saying, 'Thank Zeus you're wrong' or 'Thank Thor you're wrong.' "
Silverman said he welcomed another competitor to marketplace, noting that after atheists bought a billboard two years ago in Times Square that read "You KNOW it's a myth," the Catholic League purchased competing space at the entrance to the Lincoln Tunnel for a sign that read "You KNOW it's true."
"I would suggest, if they're actually trying to attract atheists, they should talk about proof and reason to believe in their god, not just some pithy play on words," Silverman said.
Ham says part of the goal of the campaign is to draw people to the website for Answers in Genesis, where he offers a lengthy post on his beliefs for the proof of God.
Ham insists that this campaign is in keeping with their overall mission. "We're a biblical authority ministry. We're really on about the Bible and the Gospel. Now, we do have a specialty in the area of the creation account and Genesis because that's where we say God's word has come under attack."
Ham said Answers in Genesis made the decision to split its marketing budget for the ministry between a regional campaign for the museum and this billboard campaign, rather than a national campaign.
IRS filings for the ministry in recent years have shown a yearly operating budget of more than $25 million. Ham said the marketing budget is about 2% of that, about $500,000 a year. Though they are waiting for all the bills to come due for this campaign, he said he expected it to cost between $150,000 and $200,000.
Silverman noted that his billboards were not video and cost approximately $25,000 last year. He said another campaign was in the works for this year.
"They're throwing down the gauntlet, and we're picking it up," Silverman said, adding that his group would "slap them in the face" with it.
Ham said that despite criticism from other Christians for being negative and the usual criticisms from secularists he received on his social media accounts, the advertisements have been a success.
"We wanted people talking about them, and we wanted discussion about this. We wanted people thinking about God," Ham said.
The Creation Museum and the theory of Young Earth creationism are widely reviled by the broader science community.
In a YouTube video posted last year titled "Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children," Bill Nye the Science Guy slammed creationism, imploring parents not to teach it to their children. "We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future," he said. "We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems."
The museum responded with its own video.
For the past 30 years, Gallup Inc. has been tracking American opinions about creationism.
In June 2012, Gallup's latest findings showed that 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution.
For as long as Gallup has conducted the survey, creationism has remained far and away the most popular answer, with 40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years.
The Creation Museum said it recently welcomed its 2 millionth visitor since its opening in 2007.
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I'm an atheist, my wife is Christian. I don't think less of her because of her faith, nor does she of me for my lack thereof. Also, I have absolutely no problem with her taking our daughter to church. At the end of the day, religion, faith, and spirituality are personal and individual, and should never be forced upon another (through billboards, wars, or other means). If you find happiness with your world through your religious beliefs, who am I to tell you you're wrong? If I find the same happiness through secular pursuits, who are you to tell me I'm wrong? As long as we can get along, work together on "earth-bound" problems, and not hurt each other, what's the problem?
Can you think for yourself? Is your car covered in bumper stickers?
I suspect you don't have a problem because your wife's views, despite being Christian, are not too far from your own. How would you feel if she were teaching your daughter she should marry at 13...to a first cousin? That she should shun birth control and treat her husband as master of the home? That she shouldn't work or that she should handle snakes as a test of faith?
Have you scientifically verified through DNA testing that she is indeed your daughter? Have you submitted your wife to scientific testing to verify that she really loves you? If you haven't, the rational thing is to verify these assertions.
It's never pretty when religions clash. I dislike them all equally. Christians, Muslims, Atheists, Jews. Just say no to all of em and live in peace.
Atheists? I take it you enjoy the hobby of NOT collecting stamps?
I don't like stamp collecting. And I like to talk about that dislike all day long. That is why I can be found 12 hours a day 7 days a week posting on the CNN Stamp Collecting Blog.
If atheism is a religion, then my hobbies include NOT skydiving, NOT playing an instrument, and NOT going for long-distance runs.
Why does CNN have a Belief Blog and not a blog for those who do not believe?
We have a science blog – and most of its posters are believers! The belief blog atheists don't seem interested in real science. 🙁
So we let them have the religion board.
That's why it has a comment section.
There are lots of beliefs. I, as an atheist, believe in things that have the evidence to support them. Others do not.
It may look like they are having a conversation with atheists, but that is advertising; plain and simple. Somewhere at the other end of that billboard is a guy making a buck!
The target is other Christians, not atheists. Which says something for the commitment to honesty of the organization.
46% of Americans believe in creationism. Wow. I had no idea it was that high. I've always been under the impression that people in general were smarter than that. Then again, the average IQ IS only 100, so I guess that explains that.
46% of people who have nothing better to do than sit at home answering Gallup surveys and are not quite bright enough to understand that the callers could be scammers, yes.
1. Intelligent design
2 Accidental magic
I see you believe in magic. What does that say of your ?IQ?
There is no magic in evolution, but some god "poofing" a whole universe out of nothing sure sounds like a neat trick.
Don't believe that poll.
Many Christians object strenuously to being lumped in with Creationists. Most Christians are not literal interpreters of the bible but instead believe, much like Christ himself, that moral lessons were given in parables and that those parables were key to understanding many things.
Most of us, and yes I am Christian, don't just believe but know through education that evolution and planetary biology are legitimate and reasoned approaches to our world and we do not in anyway feel that it is incompatible with our religion.
The folks who hang out on Answers in Genesis would likely not consider those folks real "Christians", however.
You obviosly haven't read the Answers In Genesis website. They say that creation is not a salvation issue but that it is a Biblical authority issue. You CAN be a Christian and believe in common descent, but then are you following God or are you believing man's opinion?
The average IQ is 100...
However I have to point out....
That is supposed to be the average, if you knew anything about IQ testing and how it is done, how the results are tallied, tests are given, and the overall structure then you would easily have grasped how silly you just sounded.
Educate yourself on your own statements, please.
It's about the same percentage of Americans who believe that astrology works, and that ghosts are real. Is it any wonder that the US education system ranks near the bottom of developed countries?
You don't think people in other countries have ghosts and horoscopes?
Not as many in pretty much any other developed nation. In third-world countries, maybe.
In the Netherlands and France 40-50% of the population believes in homeopathic medicine. In China over half the populace believed in qi. People are pretty nutty and irrational everywhere. I suspect a bunch of homeopathic medicine using qi believers will start spouting their defenses.
Yawn. Don't you guys ever get tired of this?
No, not really. The same people posting the same complaints were here a year and a half ago. And I came back after all that time to see more of it.
It's like solving a Rubik's cube. After a while, the answers to creationist nonsense becomes so easy it turns into a speed challenge of debunking as many of their arguments as you can on an average coffee break.
Christianity hey? Let’s ask a few questions about religion and everyday life.
Q.1 The completely absurd theory that all 7,000,000,000 human beings on the planet are simultaneously being supervised 24 hours a day, every day of their lives by an immortal, invisible being for the purposes of reward or punishment in an “afterlife” comes from the field of:
(c) Psychology; or
Q. 2 What is the only thing capable of making 40% of the country utterly stupid enough to think the entire Universe began less than 10,000 years ago with one man, one woman and a talking snake:
(a) a horrid disease
(b) a failed education system
(c) a successful Al Queda plot; or
Q. 3 Please complete the following sentence. It is not uncommon in many parts of the World for a young man to strap a suicide vest to himself and blow himself up and members of a rival __________
(iii) research insti.tute; or
Q. 4 It is only acceptable as an adult to believe Bronze Age mythology like talking snakes, the Red Sea splitting, mana falling from the sky, a man living in a whale's belly, a talking donkey, superhuman strength, a man rising from the dead and angels, ghosts, gods and demons in the field of:
Q.5 I have convinced myself that gay $ex is a choice and not genetic, but then have no explanation as to why only gay people have ho.mo$exual urges. I am being obstinate and closed minded due to my:
(c) nationality; or
Q6. I honestly believe that, when I think silent thoughts like, “please god, help me pass my exam tomorrow,” some invisible being is reading my mind and will intervene and alter what would otherwise be the course of history in small ways to help me. I am
(a) a delusional schizophrenic;
(b) a naïve child, too young to know that that is silly
(c) an ignorant farmer from Sudan who never had the benefit of even a fifth grade education; or
(d) your average Christian, Muslim or Jew who believes that prayers are answered
Q7. Millions and millions of Catholics believe that bread and wine turns into the actual flesh and blood of a dead Jew from 2,000 years ago because:
(a) there are obvious visible changes in the condiments after the Catholic priest does his hocus pocus;
(b) tests have confirmed a divine presence in the bread and wine;
(c) now and then their god shows up and confirms this story; or
(d) their religious convictions tell them to blindly accept this completely fvcking absurd nonsense.
Q.8 The only discipline known to often cause people to kill others they have never met and/or to commit suicide in its furtherance is:
(c) Archeology; or
Q.9 What is it that most differentiates science and all other intellectual disciplines from religion:
(a) Religion tells people not only what they should believe, but what they MUST believe under threat of “burning in hell” or other of divine retribution, whereas science, economics, medicine etc. has no “sacred cows” in terms of doctrine and go where the evidence leads them;
(b) Religion can make a statement, such as “God is comprised of God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit”, and be totally immune from experimentation and challenge, whereas science can only make factual assertions when supported by considerable evidence;
(c) Science and the scientific method is universal and consistent all over the World whereas all religion is regional and a person’s religion, no matter how deeply held, is clearly nothing more than a matter of upbringing; or
(d) All of the above.
Q.10 If I am found wandering the streets flagellating myself, wading into a filth river, mutilating my child’s genitals or kneeling down in a church believing that a being is somehow reading my inner thoughts and prayers, I am likely driven by:
(a) a deep psychiatric issue;
(b) an irrational fear or phobia;
(c) a severe mental degeneration caused by years of drug abuse; or
(d) my religious belief.
Q.11 Who am I? I don’t pay any taxes. I never have. Any money my organization earns is tax free at the federal, state and local level. Despite contributing nothing to society, but still enjoying all its benefits, I feel I have the right to tell others what to do. I am
(a) A sleazy Wall Street banker
(b) the mafia
(c) A drug pusher; or
(d) any given religious organization
Q. 12 I believe that an all-knowing being, powerful enough to create the entire cosmos and its billions of galaxies, watches me have $ex to make sure I don't do anything "naughty" (like protect myself from disease with a condom, for example). I am
(a) A victim of child molestation
(b) A r.ape victim trying to recover
(c) A mental patient with paranoid delusions; or
(d) A regular Christian, Jew or Muslim following my religious belief
In short, nothing in history of human endeavor can make otherwise smart, functioning people believe the most implausible of supernatural absurdities the way religion can.
Are you a bot? You post random things over and over and rarely respond to any valid points?
Why don't you take his test, Spamming?
The correct answers are: Colin.
No. No university, school, place of higher learning, respectable inst!tution would ever seriously ask someone to take a test like that.
It is something you would find on the internet in the message board section of a religious article.
I'm sure the hostile atheists can circle jerk to that test all day long.
I hate logical fallacies, so I can't read it. It makes me sick.
Hey, Topher? Is that true?
Is that test more about Colin's opinion than facts?
Yes. Of course.
Whenever I get a vlid point from a Christian, I engage, the problem is I rarely do.
Can you think for yourself? Is your car covered in bumper stickers?
Thinking for oneself, rather than relying on 2,000 year old Jewish mythology for my view of the Universe and fundamental theology, hey?
Hey, I hear a bunch of parrots repeating that all day long on here.
Want a cr@cker? Good bird.
Topher, while I think you are one of the dopiest believers I've come across and a coward, I sincerely advise *you* not to get into a fight with Colin. There's a greater chance that some god exists (and I put that at virtually zero) than of you winning a debate with Colin. And of course, you'd have to actually hang around to the conclusion.
Colin thinks you are an idiot.
"""Can you think for yourself? Is your car covered in bumper stickers?"""
TOPHER! I'm STILL HERE. I posted those very words 12 minutes before you did. And you have the BALLS to repeat it like it's an original thought?
What a frikken hypocrite. And how bleepin' ironic.
Colin is the biggest joke on this board.
1. He calls others out for logical fallacies.
2. He turns around and uses logical fallacies in the exact same way.
Uh, that's not Topher, guys. And I'm not Colin.
Uh oh. Somebody must have made him mad. He only pulls this test out to seek revenge!
Answer my questions, Topher.
F.ck off you pathetic internet bully wannabee. Stop whining like a baby and act like a man for a change. Why do you act like my 12 year old niece?
Why can't you answer the questions, Topher?
Somebody is posting as me now. And Topher.
What kind of brain couldn't notice that?
He can't, just yet. He has to scan other people's posts before he can have an "original thought". Give him a moment.
He's a bumper sticker collector.
Can you think for yourself? Is your car covered in bumper stickers?
Anybody else notice that Colin used the "a-b-c-d" format on all questions except Q2, which is "i-ii-iii-iv"?
He has been copying and pasting that mistake over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
Seriously. Google a phrase from that.
An INSANE amount of times he has posted that.
Is it a cry for help?
He's a trixy one.
There are few things more pathetic than watching atheists and theists squabble, wasting time and energy and resources on an overblown schoolyard fight. How about all of you focus on some real problems, yeah?
If it weren't for the stupid and dangerous affect that religious magical thinking has on our society and within our politics it really would be silly, but sadly it isn't.
Several people were shot today in America and none of it had to do with Atheism and Theism.
Shush and grow up.
You don't think Christian fanatics trying to stop scientific advances is not a real problem?
"Is a real problem". Need an edit button.
About as much effoert and"resources" as you wasted on that butthurt temper tantrum? And if it makes you whine and cry with that much infantile vigor, you realize no one's forcing you to read this blog or comment, yes?
As astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson explains, throughout history most of the great minds gave virtually no mention to any god for their discoveries and explanations. (Ptolemy, Isaac Newton, Laplace, Huygens, Galileo.) That is, until they reached the problem they felt they could not and would never fully tackle. Dr. Tyson demonstrates this with writings including footnotes from the great minds in his talk "The Perimeter of Ignorance". Perhaps that is all God has ever been – a placeholder for discomfort or frustration over the unknown; an excuse when, for one reason or another, one gives up investigation.
President Bush after 9/11: "Our God is the God who named the stars".
How erroneous. Two-thirds of star names have Arabic names. They came from Islam's fertile period (AD 800-1100.) During that time Baghdad was the intellectual center of the world, open to people of all or no faiths. During that time were some of the greatest advances known to mankind: engineering, biology, medicine, mathematics, celestial navigation; along with many "naming rights" – the source of the names of the numerals we use, terms like algebra and algorithm – all traceable to that 300-year intellectually fertile period.
Enter Imam Hamid al-Ghazali in the 12th century. He writes about math being the work of the devil. The fundamentally religious period of Islam begins, the intellectual "naming-rights" period of Islam ceases and it has since never recovered.
Another poster pointed out that Dr. Tyson also stressed that non-believers have to acknowledge intelligent design because it has occurred throughout the history of science, even with some of the greatest minds. But for the latter, apparently it has only been an option when they felt they came to the end of their ability. Perhaps today's leading scientists should be mindful that newer discoveries and explanations have already replaced someone's god of the past.
Young-earth Creationists are like al-Ghazali. They are simply stunting intellectual growth via commercial dissemination of their really, really, really bad "science".
You've posted this enough. You love Neil Patrick Harris. We get it!
That's quite a word salad, Doris. Rest assured no one on a CNN blog comments section really cares. Now, show TlTS or GTF0.
It was modified extensively since the one other post I placed earlier this afternoon. Shows how much people read.
We may not be able to bring everyone along into the future with us. We may need to leave some for the wolves. I know. It's sad.
Is it true that the only Christians in Alabama who banged their teachers were home schooled?
After I finish banging your mom, I'll let ya know.
Well folks, I'm off to go worship some random demon for a few hours. If anybody wants to complain because it offends either your deity or your sensibilities the time to complain about it is now. Keep in mind of course there is little any of you are going to be able to do to stop me. I'm really itching to light those black candles. Have fun arguing.
Oh, and ask yourselves, do you think I care that you don't think my demon exists? Or do you think it's a little like telling a guy you don't think his girlfriend is hot.
Humans still believe in a god?
Time to go and feed the porpoises!
I think it is a GOOD thing that these groups are using billboards to promote their ideas - because it inevitably leads to discussion and thinking. Thinking people are better for society than those who never question.
The fact that the groups disagree - at a fundamental level - about the universe is important, but the MOST important part is that both groups can announce their belief system without fear of arrest or prosecution. For all our problems, there are still things to admire about the United States.
Yup, got enough money and you can pretty much force your views on anyone
You don't even need money. Look on this board!
You can still tease and shame a gay child into committing suicide, however, so don't you think that all of this is some game we're all playing.
I agree – somehow my comment won't post – but I think it's a very good thing too.
This is a civilized statement of their beliefs, not a big deal. Both sides should be able to post such things.
Atheists are the only ones who accept the evidence and facts that make up the theory of evolution?
They are targeting only atheists.
They will accuse any Christians who accept evolution as being as good as atheists anyway for not taking the Bible literally, and any nonChristians who accept some form of creation story they will say is doomed for not believing in Jesus, so it's really a pretty broad net that they're casting.
Why spend so much money on ads in Manhattan when you could have used it to actually help children and adults in need? Makes no sense.
Making sense is not what organized religion is about.
(Making dollars might be.)
Sorta like politics? Aww, the lil ultra left winger thinks politics is a philanthropic pursuit. Good, low info voters like you keep the corporate ho's in power.
Grandma says dinner is ready and to get off the computer and come upstairs from the basement. Oh, and this time wipe the Cheetos dust off your crotch and wash your hands before coming to the dinner table.
Maybe the religies are running a little scared and decided to do some PR work. If they really had confidence in their beliefs they wouldn't need to advertise.
Uhm, the athiests were doing the same thing. Wouldn't that go both ways? Just seems a waste of time to me.
They'll keep on fleecing their flock for more! You can always count on the retards to fall in line with their church.
You miss the point, totally. Let go of your knee-jerk disgust at those who do not think like you do.
I don't understand why anyone's faith bothers an Atheist? If you don't believe it's true, then it's just a story...just words that don't matter. What does it matter if others believe it?
Because it dumbs you down. Not good for America in a competitive world.
It really doesn't matter, until people try to legislate it.
When little kids are being brainwashed into believing this bs... thats what bothers me..
its child abuse and you know it.
Personally, I don't have any trouble with anyone else believing it. To each their own.
Now, if you plan to write your beliefs into laws that affect me, try to push your religion in schools on my children – THAT is where there is a problem. That is where it matters – because there are some – not all – who think their beliefs should be used to run the world. The results from this range from annoying to downright dangerous (those who want to make foreign policy based on setting up conditions to bring forth the apocalypse – the apocalypse is a myth, but fighting in different countries gets our soldiers killed for that myth).
Otherwise, believe as you will. Atheist billboards are up for atheists – to let them know that if they are one of those who sees, "You know it's a myth", and agrees, that there are groups, there are others. It's not to convert – you can't convert someone! You believe what you believe.
Exactly and I would think most of us would agree with you.
...because stupid is as stupid does?
or because it is a psychotic delusion that could harm more individuals if they too are able to have "faith" in a celestial creator being?
Idiocy matters because idiots have one vote like everyone else.
It is possible that there is a necessary entity that is ordinary.
Hence, there is an entity that is ordinary.
I'd like to apologize for being such a nasty shit to you some months back. I don't have a good excuse other than sheer rage, sorry.
I don't recall, but thanks. Hope things are going well for you.
There are two theories that are totally accepted by people that really irk me. The first is the theory of evolution and the second is the va.ginal birth of human beings.
It is OBVOIUS to me that storks bring babies! I have never seen a woman giving birth, but I have seen a lot of storks. If you ever go to the beach, you will lots of storks carrying babies. They look just like pelicans because they carry the babies in their mouths. If women gave birth to babies, there would be no need for a navel, but that is how the stork picks the babies up from HEAVEN.
There is no REAL evidence that women give birth to babies. It is just a THEORY. If they did, why is it that men never give birth to babies? Why just women? Where do boys come from? It makes no sense. There is also the problem of the missing link, because there are only ever midwives and never “mid-husbands.”
If women gave birth to babies, why are there still women and babies? And why is it you never see a half-woman, half-baby!! Explain that evolutionists and va.ginal birth believers! Bet you CAN’T.
If you look at a stork, it is INTELLIGENTLY designed to carry babies. Why would that be if it didn’t deliver babies? And what about twins and triplets? What, do some women have 2, or even 3 uteruses? That is stupid. A stork can EASILLY carry two or three babies, but a woman couldn’t.
Why is it that for every 50 boys born, there are 50 girls. What, can a va.gina count? Ha, how stupid. But a stork could. And, what about all the GAPS in the birth record. One time I took a peek at my mother’s va.gina, and it was so small and babies are SO BIG.
You evolutionists are so dumb. Your think babies JUST HAPPENED in their mother’s womb. What, do you think they just appeared out of yucky, slimy blood and stuff ? Fred Hoyle once calculated that the chance of a baby spontaneously appearing in a woman’s uterus was the same as a storm blowing through a junkyard and creating a Boing-747. That’s harder to believe than that the stork brought them!
You might like to think you came from a mere zygote, but I KNOW I came from a glorious stork.
My father insists that I was born because he slept with my mother. I derisively call this the Big Bang theory, because he cannot tell me what happened BEFORE the Big bang. And what caused the Big Bang? It must have been a stork.
You might ask, ok “what caused the stork?” Well the stork was always there.
I like it!
It seems like you've never met a Christian. Lacking in facts!
Christians don't believe that at all. That is what you believe Christians believe.
You stole my ID, I'm flattered!
Why do you only get mad when religies use logical fallacies? Why not when athies like Colin use logical fallacies?
Colin meet Bob. Bob meet Colin.
2 closed-minded minds at work.
As a fellow atheist, I'd just like to commend you on making yourself look like an autistic simpleton. Bravo.
I can't be autistic. I'm atheist, which by definition makes me mentally superior to everyone else. I'm more atheist than you, so I'm smarter than you.
Religion is GARBAGE, The God industry for the God wh0res.
So, Atheists believe that there was nothing, and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything an then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.
Makes perfect sense.
Atheists don't believe that at all. That is what you believe Atheists believe.
Only according to you and perhaps others who believe in the nonsense of The Babble.
Following Bobs logic...............Christians believe their god created everything out of.......................... nothing
While religious types believe that a man with a long beard living in the clouds waved his hands and made it all happen – and then had to rest on the seventh day because it was so exhausting. Right, makes even more sense.
It is an incredibly small mind that thinks, "religious types believe that a man with a long beard living in the clouds waved his hands and made it all happen." If your idea of "God" is that of a man with a long beard living in the clouds, it is no wonder that you don't believe in Him!!! I wouldn't, either! This may have been my idea of God when I was a child, but then my thinking matured; eventually, I went to college (a secular one at that!) and studied math, physics, and engineering. Through my studies and lots of long, deep thinking, my believe in God became stronger than ever, and I can ASSURE you that my notion of God is not some childish "man with a long beard living in the clouds" conception. On the contrary, my reality of an almightly Creator is vast and deep, involving scientifically-based concepts such as electromagnetic theory; space-time, energy, and relativity; dark matter and dark energy; superstring theory; and even the Big Bang theory. To confine the Almighty God to our puny four-dimensional physical experience (i.e., space and time) is a grave injustice, the utmost ignorance, the ultimate in small-mindedness. How utterly arrogant for ardent atheists to declare that God is an impossibilty, to confine Him to their self-invented (or even culturally-invented) "old man in the clouds" or other equally immature and ridiculous mental boxes.
I will grant you that there are LOADS of Christians, Jews, and Muslims who are unthinking followers of their belief systems. But there are many others who have spent much time thinking, studying, analyzing evidence for and against God, and for whom "the heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands."
Who created god?
I gather from the religies that he created himself.
He is eternal. Like energy. Science proves energy has always been around. Even before our universe.
No one created God. God is eternal.
1. Everything that BEGINS TO EXIST has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. The universe has a cause.
Since God did not begin to exist, He does not have a cause.
Which god? There are thousands. Some are eponymous but those aren't worth your time.
Although, when I think about it having a parakeet named Parakeet and a cat named Cat would simplify things greatly.
Nice weasel you have there, what is its name?
"He stretches out the north over empty space;
He hangs the earth on nothing. " 🙂
Bob meet Colin. Colin meet Bob.
2 closed-minded minds at work.
Oh how true. I mean some mystical being created a man and then women with a couple of his ribs then she ate some fruit that a snake told her to eat. SOOOO much more believable.
"""So, Atheists believe that there was nothing, and nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything an then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason what so ever into self replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs. Makes perfect sense."""
Cut and pasted. Consistent with the rest of the creationist argument. No thinking required if someone will do it all for you, eh?
Can you think for yourself? Is your car covered in bumper stickers?