October 9th, 2013
02:27 PM ET

Creationists taunt atheists in latest billboard war

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN)– A new video billboard in New York's Times Square has a message from creationists, "To all of our atheist friends: Thank God you're wrong."

The video advertisement at 42nd Street and Eighth Avenue in Manhattan is one of several billboards going up this week in New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles, paid for by Answers in Genesis.

Answers in Genesis is best known as the multimillion-dollar Christian ministry behind the Creation Museum outside Cincinnati.

The museum presents the case for Young Earth creationism, following what it says is a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, which says the Earth was created by God in six days less than 10,000 years ago.

Ken Ham, president of Answers in Genesis, said the idea for the advertisements came from an atheist billboard in Times Square at Christmas.

During the holidays, the American Atheists put up a billboard with images of Santa Claus and Jesus that read: "Keep the Merry, dump the myth."

“The Bible says to contend for the faith,” Ham said. “We thought we should come up with something that would make a statement in the culture, a bold statement, and direct them to our website.

"We're not against them personally. We're not trying to attack them personally, but we do believe they're wrong," he said.

"From an atheist's perspective, they believe when they die, they cease to exist. And we say 'no, you're not going to cease to exist; you're going to spend eternity with God or without God. And if you're an atheist, you're going to be spending it without God.' "

Dave Silverman, president of the American Atheists, said he felt sad for creationists when he saw the billboards.

"They refuse to look at the real world. They refuse to look at the evidence we have, and they offer none," Silverman said. "They might as well be saying, 'Thank Zeus you're wrong' or 'Thank Thor you're wrong.' "

Silverman said he welcomed another competitor to marketplace, noting that after atheists bought a billboard two years ago in Times Square that read "You KNOW it's a myth," the Catholic League purchased competing space at the entrance to the Lincoln Tunnel for a sign that read "You KNOW it's true."

"I would suggest, if they're actually trying to attract atheists, they should talk about proof and reason to believe in their god, not just some pithy play on words," Silverman said.

Ham says part of the goal of the campaign is to draw people to the website for Answers in Genesis, where he offers a lengthy post on his beliefs for the proof of God.

Ham insists that this campaign is in keeping with their overall mission. "We're a biblical authority ministry. We're really on about the Bible and the Gospel. Now, we do have a specialty in the area of the creation account and Genesis because that's where we say God's word has come under attack."

Ham said Answers in Genesis made the decision to split its marketing budget for the ministry between a regional campaign for the museum and this billboard campaign, rather than a national campaign.

IRS filings for the ministry in recent years have shown a yearly operating budget of more than $25 million. Ham said the marketing budget is about 2% of that, about $500,000 a year. Though they are waiting for all the bills to come due for this campaign, he said he expected it to cost between $150,000 and $200,000.

Silverman noted that his billboards were not video and cost approximately $25,000 last year.  He said another campaign was in the works for this year.

"They're throwing down the gauntlet, and we're picking it up," Silverman said, adding that his group would "slap them in the face" with it.

Ham said that despite criticism from other Christians for being negative and the usual criticisms from secularists he received on his social media accounts, the advertisements have been a success.

"We wanted people talking about them, and we wanted discussion about this. We wanted people thinking about God," Ham said.

The Creation Museum and the theory of Young Earth creationism are widely reviled by the broader science community.

In a YouTube video posted last year titled "Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children," Bill Nye the Science Guy slammed creationism, imploring parents not to teach it to their children. "We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future," he said. "We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems."

The museum responded with its own video. 

For the past 30 years, Gallup Inc. has been tracking American opinions about creationism.

In June 2012, Gallup's latest findings showed that 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution.

For as long as Gallup has conducted the survey, creationism has remained far and away the most popular answer, with 40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years.

The Creation Museum said it recently welcomed its 2 millionth visitor since its opening in 2007.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Atheism • Belief • Christianity • Creationism • New York • Science

soundoff (8,748 Responses)
  1. Are you even responding to the same argument I posed

    c that tree-house?
    no one built it
    no one

    November 11, 2013 at 12:26 am |
  2. Are you even responding to the same argument I posed

    Palin's butthole is ripe for the pounding. I would donkey punch her until she passed out in front of her ret@rd son. trig
    boycott every cnn advertiser
    tell everyone about your unwillingness to buy anything from them
    Papa John’s, Vanguard, and Huggies, thanks for taking a stand!

    November 11, 2013 at 12:22 am |
    • Logical default

      There are a lot of dumb people in the world. 90% of the people that support Palin are like, "Yeehaw! Look at her in a bikini with a hunting rifle! That must meyan she's gots a lot skill for president!!"

      November 13, 2013 at 1:16 pm |
  3. Are you even responding to the same argument I posed

    plus damages

    November 11, 2013 at 12:21 am |
  4. Salero21

    Always remember and never forget that atheism is stupidity in Full bloom in any and all Seasons.

    November 10, 2013 at 10:45 pm |
    • YouTube Bart Ehrman... YouTube Neil deGrasse Tyson... YouTube Dan Dennett...

      Salero21, nothing more than a drive-by troll. It must be tough to not have an argument and have to resort to such antics.

      November 10, 2013 at 10:53 pm |
      • tallulah13

        Heck, it must be tough having a life so pointless that you feel the need to drive-by troll at all. Salero really needs to get a life.

        November 11, 2013 at 2:23 am |
        • sam stone

          Same goes for GOOD NEWS and faith/hhari/etc

          November 11, 2013 at 7:12 am |
    • Salero21

      No doubt about it!!

      Atheist make all the effort and waste all the time they have to demonstrate that atheism is in FACT stupidity in Full bloom in any and all Seasons.

      November 11, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
  5. Seek the Giver of life before facing the reality of death

    Knowledge is power which is why the higher ups hides it and keeps it secret. If you seek knowledge and would like to know who we are, our origin, and destiny. Visit www . theeternalwisdom . com. Just passing a website that helped me,

    November 10, 2013 at 9:55 pm |
  6. orangecountyresident

    I want to have pre-marital fornication with an atheist. I hope my post was just as offensive to Christians as their "thank god you're wrong" message to atheists.

    November 10, 2013 at 9:53 pm |
  7. orangecountyresident

    To the Christian Nazis taunting atheists, all I can say is Goddammit!

    November 10, 2013 at 9:48 pm |
  8. the AnViL™

    those who believe in the literal existence of gods should be prohibited from voting, serving on juries, running for or holding any public office, purchasing or owning firearms, or teaching public school.

    tolerance of religious idiocy is coming to an end – and not soon enough.

    November 10, 2013 at 7:37 pm |
  9. Opposing View

    For Atheists Who Judge God Foolishly...

    If around your home, you came upon a bed of rattlesnakes, rattlesnakes which you knew could harm your family and harm your children. Question: Would you allow any of those snakes to live? Yes or No. And it matters not if the mother rattlesnake was pregnant. Nor would it matter, if there were baby rattlesnakes running around. You'd kill them all, just so there'd be no further threat. For even one snake to live would be unacceptable. So what makes you think God is any different…

    In the bible, when God told Israel to wipe out certain tribes and to not allow any to live, God very well knew what he was doing, and knew that the tribe of people he was referring to was nothing more than snakes and devils. God doesn't look at things outwardly like people do, but he always has a spiritual reason behind it. So God was looking at those people spiritually and not naturally, and knew they were only snakes and devils, a threat to the people of God. So God said to kill them all, and to not allow any to live…

    That scripture also has a secondary meaning, and is a mirror of what happens in the church today. When you become saved in the church today, you're supposed to begin crucifying or killing out certain bad behaviors in your flesh, behaviors like fornication and adultery and lying and cheating, etc. Those are the biggies. But there are also minor things you must also kill out – things like envy, strife, and jealously, etc. God says to kill them out too, and to allow nothing to live, to allow nothing in your flesh to survive. If even a single small thing survives, that single small thing can take your soul to hell…

    There is also a third meaning to that scripture, in that, it was meant to trap atheists and devils and people who have an evil mind. People who would come along and read those scriptures and presume self-righteously that God was evil. By doing so, they would only reveal their own evil nature (that they were of the devil) and would condemn their own soul to hell (where they belong). Whereas any saint who read that scripture would NOT get an evil thought, because we know full well that whatever God does, it's "right", whether we understand it or not. Therefore, we wouldn't get a bad thought, would be saved, and would continue on to heaven. And that is precisely how the scriptures work and is what God intended. The scriptures are working perfectly…

    Matthew 12:26 – But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

    November 10, 2013 at 7:14 pm |
    • Observer

      "And it matters not if the mother rattlesnake was pregnant. Nor would it matter, if there were baby rattlesnakes running around"

      Yep. No such thing as free will. God gave up that "free will" could work and so wiped them all out – pregnant women, children, babies, and fetuses.

      November 10, 2013 at 7:18 pm |
    • sam stone

      atheists cannot judge beings in which they do not believe

      sorry logic is so tough on you

      now, get back on your knees

      November 10, 2013 at 9:25 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Is this a thinly veiled suggestion that christians should kill atheists and that the christian god would approve?

      November 11, 2013 at 12:22 am |
  10. nclaw441

    Our job, as Christians, is not to insult or name call those who don't believe. Our job is to reach them with the Good News of Christ. It may feel good to win the argument, but we are supposed to be winning them for Christ...

    November 10, 2013 at 4:34 pm |
    • Richard Cranium

      So they sent their missionaries far and wide, killing many many native tribes with the disease they brought, not just the diseased word that is the bible, but diseases such as small pox.

      You figure that god would have protected the natives against these foriegn death bringers, since they were trying to do his work, no?

      November 10, 2013 at 5:04 pm |
    • Opposing View

      nclaw441… Newsflash: Our job is to tell the truth, whether that truth insults people or not. Case in point:

      John 8:43 – (Jesus speaking) Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word...

      He then answers that question by saying...

      John 8::44 – Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do…

      In the 47th verse, he goes on to say…

      John 8:47 – He that is of God heareth God's words. Ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God...

      We're not trying to save devils (people who are goats). Goats are going to hell and won't be saved. We're only trying to save the sheep. And sheep have no problem with believing….

      By doing nothing more than speaking the truth, Jesus made those people so stark raving mad they wanted to kill him…

      John 8:40 – But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth…

      There is nothing God hates more than a weak-kneed Christian, someone too afraid to stand up for the truth. Just because you're weak in faith and don't have strong truth or teaching, that doesn't mean everybody does…

      November 10, 2013 at 5:54 pm |
      • Science Works

        Opposing View

        What about the Origin of Life paper below OV ?

        November 10, 2013 at 6:50 pm |
      • sam stone

        of course, OV is yet another pompous d-bag to claim to know "the truth".

        November 10, 2013 at 9:33 pm |
        • YouTube Bart Ehrman...YouTube Neil deGrasse Tyson... YouTube Dan Dennett

          OV's job is obviously to be butt ignorant.

          November 10, 2013 at 9:52 pm |
      • Gus McCrae

        You are just a Pharisee in the public square, loudly proclaiming how pious you are while your heart is filled with bile. If the likes of you are what I have to look forward to in "heaven", I'll take burning in hell, thanks. 🙂

        November 11, 2013 at 12:12 am |
        • Opposing View

          Then burning in hell you shall have. I hope you enjoy yourself...

          November 11, 2013 at 9:01 pm |
    • sam stone

      that is not working, nclaw441.....your faithful bretheren are continuously getting their behinds handed to them, so they blather on empty proxy threats, or some such silliness

      November 10, 2013 at 9:30 pm |
  11. Opposing View

    The Foolishness of Atheists…

    Imagine a valley. Now imagine a tiny church building in the midst of that valley. And imagine that around the church building is a wide wide mote which covers the whole valley, a body of water separating the tiny church from the land. Also imagine that far away upon a mountainside and staring down into the valley is an atheist. The atheist has a pair of binoculars and is peering down at the church intently. Although through the binoculars, the atheist can see people in the church through the windows, and can see them worshipping God. But the atheist cannot hear what is being said because he is too far away. Nor can the atheist get closer to the church because of the giant mote. Having nothing else to go on, the atheists replies to himself, "Those people are fools. There is no such thing as God." Meanwhile, inside the church, the spirit of God is operating, the Holy Ghost is being received, the presence of God is being felt and experienced, and miracles are happening everywhere. On top of that, a preacher is preaching the word of God and is explaining everything. Yet, standing far away upon the mountainside, the atheist who can't see anything, who can't hear anything, who has no clue or knowledge of what is going on, remarks to himself and says: "Bah. There is no God"…

    This illustrates the foolishness of atheists. And how the opinion of atheists don't mean a thing. Despite their proclamations that there is no God, they don't know the first thing about God, nor do they have any evidence to back them up. But we who are saved, and we who are inside the church, we know with absolute certainty that God exists. We know because we experience God every singe day….

    November 10, 2013 at 3:51 pm |
    • OTOH

      Opposing View,

      The same scenario could be envisioned regarding athetans (non-Scientologists) or acrystalists (non-NewAgers) - watching all those folks from afar in their particular assemblies who just KNOW that special "auditing" makes a person complete and that "body thetans" cause mental illnesses (Scientology), and that certain crystals and pyramid-shapes serve to "center" and fulfill and protect people (NewAge) - or the aMuslims who can't possibly know how lying with one's nose on the floor and butt in the air 5 times a day is the only way to go.

      When you understand why you dismiss all other beliefs, perhaps you will understand why others dismiss yours.

      November 10, 2013 at 4:13 pm |
      • OTOH

        * oh yeah, btw, it's "moat" not "mote"

        November 10, 2013 at 4:14 pm |
    • Science Works

      Opposing View

      And believe it or not this comes out of Texas.

      “This is bigger than finding any dinosaur,” Chatterjee said. “This is what we’ve all searched for – the Holy Grail of science.”

      Thanks to regular and heavy comet and meteorite bombardment of Earth’s surface during its formative years 4 billion years ago

      Paper No. 300-5: Impact, RNA-Protein World and the Endoprebiotic Origin of Life https://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2013AM/webprogram/Paper222699.html


      November 10, 2013 at 4:58 pm |
    • ME II

      Fortunately, Atheists have access to the same resources that Theists have, i.e. there is no moat.

      November 10, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
    • Observer

      Good analogy.

      The believers are on a tiny isolated island seeing little of the real world while everyone else is outside in the big real world.

      November 10, 2013 at 7:23 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      So OV, what's your actual evidence for any god? I don't think you have any, nothing at all, but am willing to look at anything that is factual, independent, objective, verifiable and repeatable. No evidence would mean that you are mentally ill, a a liar or both. I think both.

      November 11, 2013 at 12:28 am |
    • Logical default

      That's one of the worst analogies I've ever heard. You can't be serious with that nonsense. That's like the majority of creationists when looking at science and saying things like "evolution is false". You don't study it, you don't understand it, yet you automatically know it's wrong. And what's funnier is that most atheists know way more about the bible than most theists. Obviously an atheist doesn't understand the blind belief. Miracles do not happen, there is no proof of god. OMG I see people in a church! Wow! That totally proves its.

      Here is Christianity in a nutshell.

      My mommy says the bible is true!

      Therefor, the bible is true!

      I wish people would stop indoctrinating children into such preposterous beliefs. They stop believing in Santa once they hit 7, why not the same for god? Parents lie to their children all the time to make the world seem like candy canes and rainbows. Reality matters. You don't believe something just cuz somebody said so.

      November 13, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
  12. bootyfunk

    No one, ever, not once, has proven the bible inaccurate.

    November 10, 2013 at 2:31 pm |
    • Igaftr

      Name theif troll back with all the same lies.

      November 10, 2013 at 2:36 pm |
    • Logical default

      Really? So men can survive in whales for several days? Flooding the entire planet at once wouldn't destroy pretty much all plant life and ruin the earth? Slavery is cool and women are inferior to men? The earth was created in 6 days, 10,000 years ago? God speaks to people? How about this. Until somebody can verify the accuracy of the bible, it doesn't hold weight, just like all ancient myths. I mean, why would you go against Horus' wishes? Can you prove that Horus doesn't exist or that his teachings are wrong?

      November 13, 2013 at 1:30 pm |
  13. Maddy

    Of course there is no evidence! Duh! Atheists examine a Saturn five rocket engine for years and scratch there heads utterly dumbfounded. There is no proof someone made it. I didn't see anyone build it! How absurd! Where do those deluded idiots get the idea someone had to have built the thing?

    November 10, 2013 at 8:51 am |
    • Steak n ale

      I eat bumble bees.

      November 10, 2013 at 10:05 am |
    • Chikkipop

      One of the more embarrassing things believers do is to make what they think are obvious, unassailable points, which are absolutely devastatingly logical, not realizing that all they do is cause King Kong sized forehead slaps.

      But it is not they who are embarrassed, since they just don't know any better.

      We're embarrassed for them.

      November 10, 2013 at 2:06 pm |
      • CNN troll

        It's hard to know with Maddy, she floats back and forth between Christianity and atheism depending on the thread. Of course who knows on here if any of them were the original Maddy

        November 10, 2013 at 8:23 pm |
  14. Opposing View

    Wrong analogy. You're not "married" to God. You're not even on his level. You are a child and even less than a child. And a child is supposed to obey his parents. You're not supposed to understand everything, just obey. If you do not obey, then what child is not punished for it. God, hell, and the lake, are merely the ultimate expression of that. If you are unruly and do not obey God who created you, then you will end up in hell and the lake (the ultimate place of penalty)...

    Luke 18:17 – (Jesus speaking) ​Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

    November 10, 2013 at 7:38 am |
    • Opposing View

      Sorry. I was responding to JPO and it got posted in the wrong place...

      November 10, 2013 at 7:42 am |
    • Richard Cranium

      Since there is no evidence that there are any gods, or heaven or hell, all you have are the proxy threats that YOU believe.Some of us read the bible and see it is so full of contradictions, flaws, and flat out lies, that it is impossible to believe it.

      Besides, everyone knows that all you have to do to get into Valhalla is to die in glorious battle. ( which has just as much backing it up as your claim.)

      November 10, 2013 at 7:58 am |
      • Opposing View

        You can tell the same lie a thousand times, but it is still a lie. If you get a thousand liars to agree with you, it is still only a lie. No amount of lies can defeat the truth. You may disagree with it, but you can never defeat it…

        Why do atheists always tell lies? Answer: Because if they told the truth, they'd have no argument…

        November 10, 2013 at 8:07 am |
        • coachwkr


          November 10, 2013 at 10:27 am |
        • Richard Cranium

          Still waiting for you to point out any lies in my statement.

          November 10, 2013 at 10:29 am |
        • Mirror Mirror

          Opposing View
          "You can tell the same lie a thousand times, but it is still a lie. If you get a thousand liars to agree with you, it is still only a lie"

          You should print that out and stick a copy on your mirror and to your computer monitor and on your old Hebrew book to remind you about what YOU are saying every time you refer to those myths, legends and superst.itions.

          November 10, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
        • Opposing View

          Richard… And I'm still waiting for you to say something that's true. Your whole statement is a lie…

          Only the most dumbest person in all the universe would make the statement there is no evidence, in the face of Jesus Christ, when Jesus Christ himself is all the evidence you need. His existence alone calls you a liar, and you're well aware of that fact. But you make the statement anyway, which makes your statement a lie.

          Secondly, you yourself is a liar and a pathological one at that. Because you've long been well aware that there is evidence but not evidence you're willing to accept. But rather than to admit that, to admit there is no evidence you're willing to accept, you'd much rather just lie about it and say there is no evidence. Which makes you pathological. And every atheist I've ever met has all been pathological. And you're no exception…

          John 8:24 – (Jesus speaking) If you don't believe that I am He, then you shall die in your sins...

          November 10, 2013 at 12:25 pm |
        • Richard Cranium

          Still waiting for you to show any lies.
          There is no evidence. The evidence you have ( your bible) is the same evidence that Harry Potter is real. It was written in a book.
          There are flaws and lies in the bible...already mentioned above but you abviously ignored it since you didn't directly address it....so your bible says you can make striped goats by having goats stare at striped objects. (Genesis),
          and the was a great worldwide flood, which we know never happened ( also Genesis) and that you can test your wive's fidelity and have her drink holy water mixed with dust as the test (numbers).

          Try addressing my specific posts.... I will freely admit if I made any error, but since I have not, the ball is in your court.
          You can either address what you claim is a lie, or stick your fingers in your ear and yell really loud "liar liar liar" and see how much that progresses the debate.

          November 10, 2013 at 12:35 pm |
        • Opposing View

          Richard… Posting the same lie all over the place does not make it true. And that is all you're doing, posting the same nonsense over and over again. And I don't have time for it. When you haven't even comprehended the first truth I told you…

          For example, I told you Jesus Christ is all the evidence you need. You then come back and say "there is no evidence". That makes you a liar. You want to know what a liar is? You are a liar, plain and simple. And each word out your mouth is a lie. There is no truth in it….

          You go on to talk about there are flaws in the bible, yet you have no proof they are flaws. You say you can make striped goats by having goats stare at striped objects. What nonsense. My bible doesn't say that. You say the worldwide flood never happened, yet you have no proof it never happened. Where is your proof of that fact? Without proof, what you say don't mean a thing…

          Your comments are precisely why the entire bible was written in a mystery, it's so those scriptures would trap fools like you who had a problem with it, and would send your soul to hell (where you belong)…

          November 10, 2013 at 1:07 pm |
        • Richard Cranium

          I see...your opposing view is "liar liar liar" but you don't have the courage to say what is a lie, and in doing that you are the one doing the lying.

          Your book wasn't written as a mystery. It was written by superst!tious men who did not knwo any better, and it was based on previous cultures myths.
          Nothing I said was a lie, saying jesus christ is all the proof you need is a cop out and a false statement, since I know all about this jesus character and I do not believe, so clearly Jesus is NOT all the evidence needed, again showing YOU are the liar.

          I invite you to refute any specific thing I have said, without reverting back to you liar liar mantra.

          November 10, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
        • Check

          Opposing View:
          "you can make striped goats by having goats stare at striped objects. What nonsense. My bible doesn't say that."

          Oh yes it does, OV - in Genesis 30

          And there is a lot more nonsense in that book too:

          – You cure leprosy by having a dove killed, dipping a live one in its blood and having it fly around. Also, you have to anoint the toes of the suffer with the blood.–Leviticus 14

          – You discover unfaithful wives when their bellies swell and their thighs rot after they are made to drink some magical water. – Numbers 5

          – You may buy, own, sell, and will slaves to your descendants (only foreigners for slaves, though, no Israelis) –Leviticus 25

          - “If two men are fighting, and the wife of one man tries to rescue her husband by grabbing the other man’s private parts, you must cut off her hand. Don’t have any mercy." Deuteronomy 25

          There are several other similar instances of absolute rubbish that this "Lord God" "spoke", along with a bunch of other rules and laws that are obviously only from the minds of primitive men. How anyone can believe that this stuff came from a real smart divine being is ludicrous.

          November 10, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
        • Richard Cranium

          And read genesis 30:37-39.
          Jacob, however, took fresh-cut branches from poplar, almond and plane trees and made white stripes on them by peeling the bark and exposing the white inner wood of the branches
          Then he placed the peeled branches in all the watering troughs, so that they would be directly in front of the flocks when they came to drink. When the flocks were in heat and came to drink,
          they mated in front of the branches. And they bore young that were streaked or speckled or spotted

          Does it not say that by putting breeding goats in an area where they had striped objects to look at , that the offspring were striped goats?
          It clearly DOES say that, again showing I was telling the truth, and YOU are trying (badly ) to lie>

          November 10, 2013 at 1:19 pm |
        • Opposing View

          Richard… I see now I am dealing with a fool. I had thought otherwise. So I guess I was wrong about you. You have my apologies...

          Proverbs 23:9 – Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.

          This is my last post to you. I've got better things to do...

          November 10, 2013 at 1:20 pm |
        • Check

          Opposing View,

          Stellar retort. When someone disagrees with you and proves you to be wrong, call them a fool and trot out one of your old quotes! Your Emperor has no clothes, OV.

          You did not address my examples, although I'll bet I'd simply get a "fool" quote too.

          November 10, 2013 at 1:37 pm |
        • Opposing View

          Check… For your statement to be true, it would be like saying…

          The bible says that all you have to do is stretch out your hand and the Red Sea will depart for you. The bible does not say that. Just because Moses did it, that don't mean you can do it...

          The bible says that if you pour water into a vase, it'll be turned to wine. The bible does not say that. Just because Jesus did it, that don't mean you can do it…

          The bible says, that if you have some goats stare at rods, their offspring will be made stripped. The bible does not say that. Just because Jacob did it, that don't mean you can do it…

          In all the above, it was speaking of "miracles", and miracles are caused by God. Without God, such things would never happen. Unfortunately, miracles are something that is beyond the comprehension and understanding of atheists. And are particularly beyond the comprehension of fools…

          And this is my last reply to such nonsense...

          November 10, 2013 at 1:48 pm |
        • Richard Cranium

          yes opposing view ( ironic name since you don't actually offer a viewpoint, you just call people liars when they are clearly telling the truth and prove it)

          You religion that allegedly teaches love thy neighbor has that one caveat....all are either fools or swine if they DON'T believe in a book that tells you how to make striped goats, and finds infidelity with dust and holy water...

          Funny you think I'm the fool when you believe something you know ( since I have given one example) that it is in fact NOT true.

          By the way, when you so strongly cling to your beliefs, even though the evidence against is so strong, it is the very definition of delusion, which is a strong symptom of a mental illness.

          November 10, 2013 at 1:50 pm |
        • Check

          Opposing View,

          Listen, Moses said the the "LORD" spoke to him and TOLD him to pass along those rules and remedies to the Israelites. This was nothing to do with miracles. Will you read your book, please!

          Now, did the "Lord" really say such dumb, incorrect things, or did Moses just *say* that he did (ahem, lie), and list a bunch of rules and rituals that Moses (or the other elders) thought were good ideas?

          November 10, 2013 at 2:00 pm |
        • Check

          p.s. There may have been a few useful rules in Moses's lists, like do not kill, do not steal, etc., but these were certainly not new ideas, and the incorrect and superst'itious info slipped in there is quite evident.

          It would be similar to a list of useful tips today saying:

          1. Wash your hands frequently, especially after using the restroom
          2. Eat healthful foods
          3. Get moderate exercise
          4. Knock on wood after bragging so that your statement won't backfire on you
          5. Don't smoke
          6. Carry a four-leafed clover for luck
          7. Brush and floss your teeth daily
          8. Wear seat belts when driving/riding in vehicles
          9. Don't put your shoes on the bed or you will soon die
          10.Pay your bills on time and spend your money wisely

          November 10, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
        • nclaw441

          I believe in God, because God gave me, through His grace, faith to believe. It is not fair to call those who do not believe, who have not yet received faith through grace, liars. No one who actually believed in God would insist that He doesn't exist. There is something wrong there. Those of us who do believe have a Christ-sent duty to try and reach those who do not yet believe and try to convince them. Calling them liars or otherwise ridiculing them is not productive, in my view.

          It is not about winning the argument, it is about winning souls.

          November 10, 2013 at 4:32 pm |
      • Richard Cranium

        That's funny...all I said was that there is no evidence of your claims, yet you claim that is a lie.

        By all means, where is your proof, where is the evidence that any, not just your god, but any gods exists.
        ALl you have is a book that says you can make striped goats by having goats stare at stripes, it says there was a global flood when we know that it never happened, and that you can tell if you wife is unfaithful by having her drink holy water and dust.

        It is YOUR book that is full of lies.
        By all means, show me how I am incorrect.

        By the way, you cannot use the bible to verify the bible, that is circular reasoning and it is one of the poisons of your religion.

        November 10, 2013 at 8:37 am |
        • Opposing View

          Richard… Everything you say is a lie, and I don't have time for your pathological nonsense. See my post above for your answer...

          November 10, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
        • Richard Cranium

          Specifically what is a lie, and why do you claim it is?
          Be specific or don't bother.

          November 10, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
        • I wonder

          I wonder where is the evidence of all of the unfaithful wives whose bellies swelled and thighs rotted? Gee, I'll bet that a lot of women got away with it (wink, wink)!

          November 10, 2013 at 2:10 pm |
  15. Bill's boards

    Bill board: "I want you to think what I want you to think"

    Answer: "I'm sure you do"

    November 10, 2013 at 5:52 am |

    "They refuse to look at the real world.
    They refuse to look at the evidence we have, and they offer none," Silverman said.

    Here is THE EVIDENCE you are looking for, Mr. Silverman!


    November 10, 2013 at 5:31 am |
  17. philcovers

    To me this is so silly, for BOTH sides. These kind of arguments will never convince the others side, so why bother?
    To me it seems natural that no ONE PERSON OR GOD OR SPIRIT created the universe in 7 days 10,000 years ago, But if some people want to believe what a few people wrote a few thousand years ago (as then seemed the only possibility from their logic at that time) then let them it is not the end of the world! Being neither a creationist nor an atheist, I just find these two sides as laughable!. Like those silly joke cards that one sees in Facebook. Let people believe what they want. it doesn't really matter that much, does it?

    November 10, 2013 at 3:43 am |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

      I couldn't care less if somebody wants to believe in religious hokum. It's when the aforementioned hokum believers try to have their hokum taught as fact in science class in public schools when a problem arises.

      November 10, 2013 at 3:47 am |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

        'Is' when.

        November 10, 2013 at 3:48 am |
      • Science Works

        And when the religious try to pass laws , like restricting access to abortion clinics.

        The one that was passed in Texas was declared unconsti-tional last month

        November 10, 2013 at 6:38 am |
    • Science Works

      The real kicker is the facts = truth and Adam and Eve the old story is not the truth !

      November 10, 2013 at 6:46 am |
      • Opposing View

        And how could you possibly even know? What evidence do you have to back up your claims that it is not the truth? We'd love to see it. Just what I thought. You atheists are nothing but smoke and hot air. All talk and no substance...

        November 10, 2013 at 7:52 am |
        • Science Works

          Texas Textbook Publishers Say No To Creationism: Watchdog Report


          November 10, 2013 at 8:03 am |
        • saggyroy

          It is asserted in the bible – the book of Genesis. The burden of proof is on you.

          November 10, 2013 at 8:11 am |
        • Opposing View

          Science Works... The article you quoted is not saying anything. Just because a bunch of atheists and unbelievers say no to creationism doesn't make creationism untrue. So I ask you again, What "evidence" do yo have to back up your claims that the Adam and Eve story is untrue?...

          November 10, 2013 at 8:17 am |
        • Opposing View

          saggyroy… The typical atheist response. When cornered with no way out, evade the issue…

          Atheist Rule #2: Changing the topic or evading the issue is your second line of defense. Use this when you're cornered with no way out…

          November 10, 2013 at 8:21 am |
        • Science Works

          Well did you learn something today OV ?

          November 10, 2013 at 11:00 am |
        • Mirror Mirror

          Opposing View

          You Bible believers are nothing but smoke and hot air. All talk and no substance...

          November 10, 2013 at 12:12 pm |
        • Opposing View

          MIrror Mirror… You're looking in the mirror, are we...

          Why do atheists say ignorant things? Answer: Because they have nothing more intelligent to say...

          November 10, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
        • ET Iphone home

          Creationism is wrong because:

          1. There is no objective evidence of any god whatsoever.

          2. Evolution as a process that changes species is a proven fact. If humans started with only 1 male and 1 female, they'd have to practice all kinds of incest and the gene pool wouldn't survive.

          3. The bible cannot be verified.

          4. God stays silent when the world is more divide than ever over which version of him is true.

          5. 90% of people believe it because mommy and daddy said so when they were young.

          November 27, 2013 at 2:43 pm |
      • Science Works

        Do a search for Kenya's fossils 1.8 million year old skulls.

        You might learn there are to many skulls for an Adam and Eve.

        November 10, 2013 at 8:33 am |
      • Science Works

        Say OV where was the dinosaur found in the article below?

        And how old is the United States ?

        No gods required OV, can you answer the question ?

        November 10, 2013 at 1:28 pm |
  18. BrotherCavil

    We need a sign right next to that one that says "Got any proof of that?"

    November 9, 2013 at 10:52 pm |
  19. Salero21

    No doubt about it atheism is stupidity in Full bloom in this or any other Season.

    November 9, 2013 at 9:00 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that


      November 9, 2013 at 9:02 pm |
      • Salero21

        No doubt about it! It is indeed stupidity in Full bloom in any and all Seasons, period.

        November 9, 2013 at 9:17 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          Derpity derp derp.

          November 9, 2013 at 9:18 pm |
        • Salero21

          Oh yeah that too! Atheism is total stupidity.

          November 9, 2013 at 9:29 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          Tweetily doopy derpy dumb

          November 9, 2013 at 9:31 pm |
    • Observer

      faith / hharri / fake Observer,

      Changing names doesn't do a think when the same pitiful trolling nonsense is used. Worst troll ever.

      November 9, 2013 at 9:19 pm |
      • Observer

        typo: "do a thing"

        November 9, 2013 at 9:23 pm |
  20. Third alignment

    Technosophy is ascendant. Technology will turn imagination into reality.

    November 9, 2013 at 5:44 pm |
    • Fan2C

      Ah, me, oh, my... technology is going to make it real that when I put my shoes on the bed I will die! Or that a woman who puts her purse on the floor will lose all of her money? OY!

      November 9, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
      • Third alignment

        Technology will eventually extend life indefinitely. We will all be wizards.

        November 9, 2013 at 6:08 pm |
        • espresso54

          That is probably true.

          November 9, 2013 at 6:15 pm |
        • ME II

          Perhaps, but likely not very soon.

          November 9, 2013 at 6:23 pm |
        • Styx

          Domo arigato Mr. Robato but no thanks. I couldn't think of a colder and more impersonal end to my life. Send me back to the earth and let me become a willow tree.

          November 9, 2013 at 6:33 pm |
        • ME II

          I didn't assume that Third meant as robots, perhaps medical technology could control cell death and cell reproduction.

          November 9, 2013 at 6:37 pm |
        • Fan2C

          " Send me back to the earth and let me become a willow tree."

          As you wish... that's what the wizard Merlin turned himself into - and he's there to this day! Of course, he can come out any time he wants to, though, and go back again.

          November 9, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
        • Fan2C

          Maybe we will evolve (aided by technology) into beings of pure energy. We won't need bodies, so no food requirements, no work. We would go back in time and retrieve all of the former humans' energies and we'd all live happily ever after. There's your "resurrection" and "heaven"! No god necessary.

          November 9, 2013 at 6:52 pm |
        • Opposing View

          It was a great fantasy. Now it's time to wake up...

          November 10, 2013 at 7:57 am |
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