October 9th, 2013
02:27 PM ET

Creationists taunt atheists in latest billboard war

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN)– A new video billboard in New York's Times Square has a message from creationists, "To all of our atheist friends: Thank God you're wrong."

The video advertisement at 42nd Street and Eighth Avenue in Manhattan is one of several billboards going up this week in New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles, paid for by Answers in Genesis.

Answers in Genesis is best known as the multimillion-dollar Christian ministry behind the Creation Museum outside Cincinnati.

The museum presents the case for Young Earth creationism, following what it says is a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, which says the Earth was created by God in six days less than 10,000 years ago.

Ken Ham, president of Answers in Genesis, said the idea for the advertisements came from an atheist billboard in Times Square at Christmas.

During the holidays, the American Atheists put up a billboard with images of Santa Claus and Jesus that read: "Keep the Merry, dump the myth."

“The Bible says to contend for the faith,” Ham said. “We thought we should come up with something that would make a statement in the culture, a bold statement, and direct them to our website.

"We're not against them personally. We're not trying to attack them personally, but we do believe they're wrong," he said.

"From an atheist's perspective, they believe when they die, they cease to exist. And we say 'no, you're not going to cease to exist; you're going to spend eternity with God or without God. And if you're an atheist, you're going to be spending it without God.' "

Dave Silverman, president of the American Atheists, said he felt sad for creationists when he saw the billboards.

"They refuse to look at the real world. They refuse to look at the evidence we have, and they offer none," Silverman said. "They might as well be saying, 'Thank Zeus you're wrong' or 'Thank Thor you're wrong.' "

Silverman said he welcomed another competitor to marketplace, noting that after atheists bought a billboard two years ago in Times Square that read "You KNOW it's a myth," the Catholic League purchased competing space at the entrance to the Lincoln Tunnel for a sign that read "You KNOW it's true."

"I would suggest, if they're actually trying to attract atheists, they should talk about proof and reason to believe in their god, not just some pithy play on words," Silverman said.

Ham says part of the goal of the campaign is to draw people to the website for Answers in Genesis, where he offers a lengthy post on his beliefs for the proof of God.

Ham insists that this campaign is in keeping with their overall mission. "We're a biblical authority ministry. We're really on about the Bible and the Gospel. Now, we do have a specialty in the area of the creation account and Genesis because that's where we say God's word has come under attack."

Ham said Answers in Genesis made the decision to split its marketing budget for the ministry between a regional campaign for the museum and this billboard campaign, rather than a national campaign.

IRS filings for the ministry in recent years have shown a yearly operating budget of more than $25 million. Ham said the marketing budget is about 2% of that, about $500,000 a year. Though they are waiting for all the bills to come due for this campaign, he said he expected it to cost between $150,000 and $200,000.

Silverman noted that his billboards were not video and cost approximately $25,000 last year.  He said another campaign was in the works for this year.

"They're throwing down the gauntlet, and we're picking it up," Silverman said, adding that his group would "slap them in the face" with it.

Ham said that despite criticism from other Christians for being negative and the usual criticisms from secularists he received on his social media accounts, the advertisements have been a success.

"We wanted people talking about them, and we wanted discussion about this. We wanted people thinking about God," Ham said.

The Creation Museum and the theory of Young Earth creationism are widely reviled by the broader science community.

In a YouTube video posted last year titled "Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children," Bill Nye the Science Guy slammed creationism, imploring parents not to teach it to their children. "We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future," he said. "We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems."

The museum responded with its own video. 

For the past 30 years, Gallup Inc. has been tracking American opinions about creationism.

In June 2012, Gallup's latest findings showed that 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution.

For as long as Gallup has conducted the survey, creationism has remained far and away the most popular answer, with 40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years.

The Creation Museum said it recently welcomed its 2 millionth visitor since its opening in 2007.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Atheism • Belief • Christianity • Creationism • New York • Science

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  1. eprobono

    "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." – Stephen Roberts

    December 14, 2013 at 6:40 pm |
    • Bones McCoy

      Great quote!

      December 16, 2013 at 2:14 pm |
  2. eprobono

    I am atheist and this billboard doesn't bother me at all. If anything, I'm glad Bible-thumper creationists are spending their advertising dollars in NYC.

    December 14, 2013 at 6:12 pm |
    • Bones McCoy

      To Christians, spending money on advertising is more important than using it to help the needy. The Catholic church could feed the entire world a hundred times over, but they care more about having a big powerful organization than following Jesus' example.

      December 16, 2013 at 2:15 pm |
  3. Jim

    There would be no atheists, without God. Similarly, there would be no discussion, without the formation of man from the earth.

    December 14, 2013 at 6:09 pm |
    • eprobono


      Your statement does not hold up under logical analysis.

      In the case there is, in fact, no god, lacking explicit proof of that fact there would still be atheists and believers.

      In the case there is, in fact, a god, lacking explicit proof of that fact there would still be atheists and believers.

      The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.

      December 14, 2013 at 6:36 pm |
  4. god the father

    What is it that you don't understand about this? We can OBSERVE with our own eyes the Universe CREATING itself with the formation of new Starts and planets and the dying off of old stars and planets. The Universe creates itself through this process. For those who have trouble with the "billions of years idea" please study 'LIGHT" and how long it takes to get to the earth from the stars. Light is reaching us after travelling for 13 billion years....around the time of the big bang. In the future there will be a collision of the Andromeda GALAXY and the MILKY WAY Galaxie.....this will lead to the creation of a huge black hole or if they are right the amaglamation of two black holes that sit at the centre of each of these Galaxies....because not even light can escape from these we dont know what is on the inside or OTHER side of a black hole...maybe another Universe or another BIG BANG...maybe..we don't know. When the big ban same time...not like a big stick of dynamite going off with debris scaterring everywhere as most people think...it happened EVERYWHER E and all at once...Does anyone really study science here? We are the producy of the UNIVERSE whicj creates and recreates itself in an observable way...we don't have all the answers are are on the edge of so many discoveries. It is a wonderful time to be alive and to be able to observe all of this. There is no evidence for Craetion other than speculation and faith. This doesn't mean it is isn;t true but it does appear that it is unlikely as all the evidence is pointing in the other direction. No offence to anyone.

    December 14, 2013 at 4:19 pm |
    • igaftr

      Yes, Nogomain created everything...including himself out of nothing.

      There are over 100 creator gods in mythology, including yours.

      December 15, 2013 at 8:53 am |
  5. Beau

    Answersinafictionalbook.org ... that's cute

    December 14, 2013 at 11:24 am |
  6. Rickmess

    Primates rule!

    December 14, 2013 at 7:20 am |
    • Salero21

      They're better than atheists! 😀 😀

      December 14, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
      • In Santa we trust

        Humans are primates so that even includes you.

        December 14, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
      • doobzz

        They're better than trolls.

        December 14, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          I'm a troll and proud of it; do you have a problem with that??

          December 14, 2013 at 3:12 pm |

    "I would suggest, if they're actually trying to attract atheists, they should talk about proof and reason to believe in their god, not just some pithy play on words," Silverman said.

    Here is what you are asking for, Mr. Silverman!


    December 14, 2013 at 4:16 am |
    • David

      so, the use of names in the Quran is a miracle?! God, if you do exist, please enlighten these people and instill some reason in them.

      December 14, 2013 at 10:33 am |
    • Chikkipop

      What an unbelievable fool you must be!

      My goodness.

      December 14, 2013 at 6:23 pm |
  8. woody

    We humans are but mammals on a planet and the reality is many people would rather think not but there is nothing we can do about it no matter what we think . It was not long ago we humans did not even drive cars or use a telephone . Are we smarter than all of the other mammals ? Do we destroy the very environment we depend on ?

    December 14, 2013 at 2:20 am |
  9. Salero21

    Is in the Bible, THANKS GOD!!

    December 13, 2013 at 10:21 pm |
  10. BR

    Something I've never quite understood when it comes to believer's vs. non-believer's. For believer's I get it when they want to tell people about their faith and religion...good for them. For non-believer's (atheists) I don't get it why they promote their non-belief's and the fact the're atheist. It would seem if they truly don't believe in something then why even bother with promoting which is typically characterized as sense of belief in something. For me it would seem more logical to just don't do anything...let it be, and it would at-least take less time, energy and money.

    December 13, 2013 at 9:51 pm |
    • cjeddie8

      because we are judged by Christians, credit is given to God so much for "miracles", no discredit for tsunamis and Sandy Hooks. Christians use science, rational thought, and technology in all aspects of their life but just blindly believe a fairy tale. Then they want kids saying it in school and spreading it around the world when they all have their own gods. Frustrating!

      December 14, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
    • Chikkipop

      Something I’ve never quite understood is why so many believers say this, no matter how many times we debunk the idea!

      First, if everyone on your block was promoting peach pits as a cancer cure, & rushing off to some 3rd world country for the cure, and your science/medical/reason and evidence background told you the claim was highly unlikely, why in the world would you NOT speak up about it!?

      Beliefs matter; they have consequences. Why wouldn't atheists want to undermine bad ideas and promote reason and rationality!?

      "For me it would seem more logical to just don’t do anything…let it be, and it would at-least take less time, energy and money."

      Yeah. Sure. And just let everyone else walk off with the culture.

      (King Kong sized forehead slap.}

      December 14, 2013 at 6:21 pm |
    • Dandintac


      That's a good question and there are many reasons. I'll speak for myself, although I'm sure a lot of other atheists share my reasons.

      Imagine that all around you, people believe something that you don't. Okay fine. But then, when they find out you don't believe the same thing, they treat you like dirt. You get kicked off the team in high school. Evicted by your landlord. Your family disowns you. All too many Christians in this country have a persecution complex, yet they will not hesitate to discriminate and punish the atheists if they can get away with it. We are subject to so much hatred–for something we don't believe. I believe that if atheists are more OUT, like Gays learned, we will be subject to less bad treatment, not more. History shows this to be true. Especially given that there are so many ugly stereotypes about atheists.

      Second, I want to contribute to creating an atmosphere where it is okay and socially acceptable to question religion. I don't think it should be granted any respect that any other set of ideas or belief system doesn't get. All too many people will jump on the bandwagon if they see a position as dominant if not supreme. I want it to be socially acceptable for people to be openly atheist, and it is no longer taboo to disrespect religion.

      Third, in the last 30 years, I believe Christianity in the US has become all too political, and more brash and arrogant in its certainty. We have politicians openly taking public policy positions based on Biblical fundamentalism. And it's not just fringe. I believe we are teetering on the precipice of another Dark Age. We have Creationists trying to change how SCIENCE is taught in the schools. We have large percentages of our population who don't believe evolution is true. Stem cell research, family planning, women's rights, Gay rights–issue after issue, I see faith-based reasoning threatening to take us backwards.

      It's not just Christianity. While Christianity has far more political power in the US, and is the greatest direct danger to us for that reason, Islam has gone crazy. They are chopping up people in Britain, flying planes into buildings in New York, beheading supposed witches in Saudi Arabia. But Christians should not be too smug. Christianity would be just as bad if not for the restraining influences of western humanist values and traditions such as separation of church and state, freedom of speech and religion, and secular governments.

      Religion has become DANGEROUS. It is dangerous to stay silent. Religion posits untrue beliefs, some of which are patently false, demands its followers to propagate, brainwash their children, and spread their "faith". It demands belief in spite of the evidence, and refuses to change to match the evidence. It leads to divisiveness, conflict, and war, and retards the progress of society. It is the tool of tyrants, and it can make good men do what would otherwise be unthinkable acts of violence.

      December 15, 2013 at 2:31 am |
    • truebrill

      I think the biggest motivation that atheists have for promoting secularism is how public policy is highjacked by religion despite defined church-state separation. they represent a sizable portion of the population but are very underrepresented in the public sphere. what started as a way to stop protestants and catholics from discriminating against each other has become such a double standard in its application for a country that supposedly espouses freedom of religion. for example, having the 10 commandments in a court of law creates at least a perceived religious bias against non judeo-christians (even though only two commandments are actual laws). they dont oppose (for the most part) the moral arguments of the tenets, its just that they see laws can be based on morality without having to explicitly involve religion. and before you get to that founding fathers argument, think of how you'd react to Obama writing a variation of the bible as Thomas Jefferson did. keep faith between yourself and your god and you can keep govt out of it. and when it comes to religion's influence on lawmaking, make your argument for/against said law based on something more robust than just religious grounds. atheists and people of faith can understand logic, morality, ethics, philosophy and science in arguments, that's what counts. what is one person's religious argument can be understood by another as equally compelling logic or philosophy.

      December 15, 2013 at 3:39 am |
  11. Dan

    fundamentalists of Christendom teach that the universe, including our earth and all life on it, is only a few thousand years old. Those who teach this doctrine—known as creationism—may have high regard for the Bible, but they contend that God created all things in six 24-hour days just a few thousand years ago. They reject credible scientific evidence that contradicts their view. As a result, the teaching of creationism actually discredits the Bible, making it appear unreasonable and inaccurate.

    December 13, 2013 at 8:47 pm |
    • Hollywood

      Alarming that there is zero fossil evidence of the evolution of man. The intellectual dishonesty of "scientists" picking a horse tooth, then a pig tooth and creating from these a full image of imaginary men and then passing this off as being real is reprehensible. Look up and research the validity of the Brontosaurus. "Scientists" need to publish and some will say anything. Look at genetics for a quick moment--you must realize that cancer is rampant–caused by genetic alterations-for the worse and not the better. Every bit of genetically coded chromosomal material had to be present all at the same time or the "human" would not be viable-so the reality is that the concept of a lack of a liver is not problematic is just ridiculous. The big brained thinkers of our day ignore the reality of the lack of current transitional forms of animals and humans-they look at the flexibility of the existing genomes as proof of whatever it is they want-which is intellectual dishonesty! Dr Hollywood cell biology and genetics

      December 14, 2013 at 12:18 am |
      • redzoa

        "Alarming that there is zero fossil evidence of the evolution of man."

        Right . . . "zero fossil evidence" . . . Well, except for all that fossil evidence for the evolution of man . . .


        December 14, 2013 at 2:42 am |
        • Bones McCoy

          I swear, people just repeat these nonsensical claims because they sound cool. Scientists are sooooo dishonest following their sillly experiments! What do they know!!!! LOL

          December 16, 2013 at 2:19 pm |
      • Jay Sullivan

        Admit it. You have no knowledge of fossils, geology or any understanding of genetics – otherwise you wouldn't make such absurd statements.

        December 14, 2013 at 8:32 am |
      • Jesus Claus

        There are two types of evolution micro and macro-evolution. Microevolution happens on a small scale (within a single population), while macroevolution happens on a scale that transcends the boundaries of a single species. Despite their differences, evolution at both of these levels relies on the same, established mechanisms of evolutionary change:
        current scientific realm supports macroevolution that humans "evolved" from a single bacteria. To everyday persons eyes that's what they believe as well because that is what is vastly taught in schools. What we know of a "fact" can easily be a "rumor" because we accept both as facts in our mind, even a rumor because it is a piece of information that we receive and it automatically builds a perspective in that criteria. We view primates as our cousins that they somewhat we share an ancestry. Despite our similarities in our genes, that 2% difference between primal and human genome, may seem insignificant but very critical. But that 2% creates a huge difference between the two. I want to explain everything but just trying to create an input in discussion maybe your research can start here...

        December 14, 2013 at 9:58 am |
  12. Fufu

    After reading these conversations I feel better about myself as a Muslim. I believe that if we were to live in HARMONY then we should accept each other whether they have a faith or not. And there is so much factual information in the Bible, Quran, and Torah if you were to go look. But what matters most is to do what it ETHICALLY and MORALLY right. If you're a good person then you'll go to heaven. So arguing over something so trivial is a terrible idea.

    December 13, 2013 at 6:17 pm |
    • Street Epistemologist In Training

      Why do you believe that what you believe is correct? Is there a probability that you are wrong? What would it take for you to change your beliefs? Are you pretending to know things you do not?

      December 13, 2013 at 6:21 pm |
      • Fufu

        I believe that I'm correct because I learned to trust. I know theres also room for error and it's better safe then sorry. And I follow because it makes me feel better about myself.

        December 13, 2013 at 7:16 pm |
        • cjeddie8

          the problem is so many Christians think YOU are going to hell for not accepting Jesus as your savior. I think you deserve better than that. Why is God so hung up on human conduct anyway? Is it really that important that we behave well? He's obsessed with it and right and wrong is different all over the world anyway. So confusing.

          December 14, 2013 at 1:50 pm |
        • Chikkipop

          "I believe that I’m correct because I learned to trust."

          Learned to trust who? What reason do you have to believe you made a good choice, given that so many people believe so many different things? Do you trust facts and evidence?

          "I know theres also room for error and it’s better safe then sorry."

          Safe from what? Sorry about what? You mean to say you decided what you believe on the basis of whether or not it makes you feel "safe" rather than whether or not the available facts supported such a belief!?

          "And I follow because it makes me feel better about myself."

          Anyone who chooses a belief because it makes them feel better instead of because it is most likely objectively true is cowardly. The best way to truly feel good about yourself is by being intellectually honest & facing the world as it is rather than adopting ancient beliefs for their comfort value.

          December 14, 2013 at 6:14 pm |
    • Chikkipop

      "After reading these conversations I feel better about myself as a Muslim."

      There is no reason you should.

      "I believe that if we were to live in HARMONY then we should accept each other whether they have a faith or not."

      We can and DO have friendly relations with people of differing views, but that doesn't mean we must respect the views themselves.

      " And there is so much factual information in the Bible, Quran, and Torah if you were to go look."

      Please provide some of this "factual information". If any of it points to the supernatural I eagerly await the news. If it does not, it is of little interest, since we have many reliable sources of factual information that weren't written by people thousands of years ago.

      "If you’re a good person then you’ll go to heaven."

      What is "heaven", and how would you know about it?

      "So arguing over something so trivial is a terrible idea."

      What billions of people believe is not trivial; beliefs have consequences, and we should care when people promote false ones.

      December 14, 2013 at 6:04 pm |
  13. Mike

    That 2nd billboard made me LOL.Name one place, where God promotes hate in the Bible? He doesn't, it's people who say they're Christians, who really aren't, who promote hate. Why don't Atheists bash other religions in the US instead of just Christianity? It's the largest religion in the world, that's probably why

    December 13, 2013 at 3:43 pm |
    • Bob

      Duh.....My guess is because Christians are the biggest religious group in America who are trying to make their religious beliefs into Secular laws.......if the others did the same, they would be equally targeted.

      December 13, 2013 at 4:12 pm |
    • One place?


      December 13, 2013 at 4:16 pm |
    • Piccolo

      Sodom and Gamorrah? The great flood? His bet with Satan where he slowly murdered a man's entire family and livelihood just to test his faith? Turning somebody into a salt statue for looking back at a burning city? Condoning slavery? Condoning the beating of your wife? Male Chauvinism? That's just off the top of my head. If I actually looked it up again, there's probably hundreds of other examples.

      December 13, 2013 at 4:31 pm |
    • Logical default

      What about the stoning of women for committing adultery or having premartial se-x? Even as a primitive human society we have evolved beyond that stuff, yet this perfect all knowing being that's supposed to be better than all of us still holds those type of primitive values like slavery and stoning people? Who was this guy again? The bible itself debunks the idea of perfect, omniscient, omnipotent being. That I can say with confidence.

      December 13, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
      • virgillionaire

        God works with us as we are. Slavery existed, etc. Look at the Ten Commandments. Is slavery ok? Love thy neighbor as thyself; Is stoning? Thou shalt not kill. Try using some reading comprehension, you are as bad as these creationists with distorting the Bible.

        December 13, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
        • redzoa

          The 10 commandments are silent on the practice of slavery, yet when given the opportunity to prohibit the practice of owning foreign-born slaves as personal property, the alleged divine law giver expressly allows it (Lev 25:44-46). Even mere mortals came to find this practice morally repugnant. Furthermore, to my knowledge, the capital punishment laws of Leviticus and Deuteronomy appear after delivery of the 10 commandments in Exodus, thus the order suggests the condoning of capital punishment for what mere mortals recognize as non-capital offenses (e.g. adultery, disrespectful children). Notable are the commands to indiscriminately kill children and infants for the alleged crimes of their parents (1 Sam 15:3; Deut 13-15). The golden rule doesn't appear until the NT, and while fine and dandy it finally shows up, this doesn't comport with the commands of the, one in the same, OT deity. At best, the biblical deity is slow to remedy its improper/incomplete prior edicts, at worst, it's simply inconstant and schizophrenic.

          December 15, 2013 at 12:33 am |
        • Logical default

          Slavery existed? That's really your answer? If slavery was wrong, why didn't god tell the people? Did murder not exist? Why not condone that as well? He makes specific commandments about everything else, but still believes in slavery. It makes no sense. Is god more primitive than modern humans today? More than likely the bible is not talking about any type of god, they are talking bout a ruler of some kind. That much is obvious. He interacted with the people, made laws, etc etc, but then vanishes off the face of the earth. Again, who was this guy?

          December 16, 2013 at 2:24 pm |
    • Dandintac

      "...where God promotes hate in the Bible..."

      How about Samual 1:15: "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

      Plenty of other passages in Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronamy and other books. You are supposed to kill gays, nonbelievers, followers of other religions, witches, kids who mouth off, women who are not virgins on their wedding night, adulteresses, fornicators, blasphemers, and people who work on the Sabbath. I'd say that's some pretty strong hate.

      December 15, 2013 at 12:40 am |
  14. Stephen Garramone

    Biblical literalists use the English translation of the Bible as their source:
    "The Bible says thus-and-so is true." [chapter:verse]
    "Thus-and-so" must be true because it is in the Bible." A perfect tautology. But I bet Creationists don't know what "tautology" means, because they are that stupid.

    Also, the Bible NEVER said that Creation was 6000+ years! never. That's a theological fantasy.

    December 13, 2013 at 3:42 pm |
    • Richard Koffarnus

      You are correct about the 6,000 years. The Bible does not teach that; it was the conclusion of Archbishop James Ussher in the 17th century based on calculations of the day of creation, which Ussher placed at 4004 B.C. Ussher's methodology was seriously flawed.

      You are wrong about tautology. I do know what it means, and your example is of question begging or circular reasoning, not tautology.

      December 13, 2013 at 7:07 pm |
  15. Sly

    In my opinion such activities are ridiculous and unnecessary. I doubt that anyone would actually become either an atheist or a believer after noticing those billboards. They should have given that money for charity or something instead.

    December 13, 2013 at 3:07 pm |
  16. Bob Penn

    Information, organization, laws of science, laws of logic, and life can only come from an intelligent living being (God). Energy and matter have no of these things unless first put there by God. Evolutionists have no means to get these immaterial things and; therefore, have no basis to use them to argue anything.

    December 13, 2013 at 2:20 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Interesting claims. Do you have any supporting evidence – you know, verifiable, objective, factual, repeatable and independent evidence?

      December 13, 2013 at 2:26 pm |
      • Later

        We have a book that says so, thats all you should need. Its called faith it doesn't have to be any more than that, and when I die I want to see Gram Gram again so it’s true. I just hope Gram Grams not watching me in the shower I’ll never hear the end of it.

        December 13, 2013 at 2:37 pm |
        • fred

          ...........and this is why you must find every bias to support your fear of the truth coming to light.

          December 13, 2013 at 2:40 pm |
        • HotAirAce


          December 13, 2013 at 2:44 pm |
        • Science Works

          fred how can you keep refuting your own DNA ?

          Will you answer before the crickets set in ?

          Scientists Discover Double Meaning in Genetic Code

          Dec. 12, 2013 — Scientists have discovered a second code hiding within DNA. This second code contains information that changes how scientists read the instructions contained in DNA and interpret mutations to make sense of health and disease.


          December 13, 2013 at 3:06 pm |
        • fred

          Science Works
          " DNA is an incredibly powerful information storage device" is nothing new. There just may be a soul in there somewhere.

          December 13, 2013 at 3:23 pm |
        • Science Works

          The code fred is what for a sole ?

          December 13, 2013 at 3:38 pm |
        • Logical default

          If it's just faith then why are you guys promoting it as fact and denouncing science? That's the issue here. People have zero evidence for god, but state things arbitrarily as fact. You say you believe the bible and have faith in god, that's fine. I just don't see why you can't promote the positives of the faith instead of telling scientists they are wrong, and attacking people that do not believe in your faith. You want unity of all faiths and peoples? Start with tolerance of those with different beliefs. The fact that so many of you attack science discourages all rational people from even considering your belief system.

          December 13, 2013 at 4:54 pm |
      • Glenn

        HotAir – the obvious corollary is that "Information, organization, laws of science, laws of logic, and life " came from nothing... Do you have any supporting evidence that that is the case?

        December 13, 2013 at 2:58 pm |
        • HotAirAce

          Why does the answer have to be god or nothing? What's wrong with "we don't know."?

          December 15, 2013 at 11:18 am |
        • Piccolo

          Where does any science anywhere suggest that everything came from nothing? This is the creationist standpoint but it often peddled as an issue for considering the big bang. So where did god come from? Since we don't know the origin, he must have came from nothing! The energy and matter where already there when the big bang happened, they were just condensed. Science DOES NOT EVER suggest that something came from nothing. It is a typical creationist lie based on a misunderstanding of big bang science.

          December 16, 2013 at 1:54 pm |
    • Huff Huff

      Christians do some CRAZY things !

      'Kidnapped For Christ,' Planned Doc-umentary, Aims To Expose 'Ex-Gay' Experiences In Christian Reform Schools

      Posted: 12/12/2013 10:52 am EST


      December 13, 2013 at 2:41 pm |
    • Frank

      Actually I do believe in God but I am not a creationist. Care to address that?

      Some of us actually believe in the morality and ethical concepts taught in the Bible without having to belive that every word of it is factually correct in an objective, repeatable, independent, and verifiable way.

      The Bible not being scientifically provable does not make the moral values in the Bible any less valid for me. I guess some poeple just can't seem to perceive that huh? Thank God there are scientists who can keep that in mind when they use concepts like evolution in medicine that lead to cures for disease so that they can eliminate suffering and unecessary pain in the world.

      December 13, 2013 at 4:25 pm |
      • Logical default

        And that's the big difference. You are a rational theist. You understand that the bible teaches morality and doesn't always have to be 100% literal. I wish more folks would promote the morality aspect of it rather than attacking others. The big issue is mostly with the folks that are bible literalists and think that every single thing is exactly as it says and use it as a means to attack science while being completely ignorant to the way science works.

        December 13, 2013 at 5:03 pm |
      • JC

        Any "morality" displayed in the bible is overshadowed by the pure evil and cruelty that exists alongside it.

        December 13, 2013 at 5:06 pm |
      • cjeddie8

        It's a fantastic fairy tale that teaches really sound ethics for the most part as most religions do. (If you focus on the good parts).

        December 14, 2013 at 12:33 pm |
        • Chikkipop

          "Some of us actually believe in the morality and ethical concepts "

          This is mind-numbingly naive.

          There is nothing in that old book that hadn't already been thought of, and there is nothing in morality & ethical concepts which requires such a book for us to learn them! One of the primary reasons you claim to have been taught by such a book is because you are unaware of both history and the actual nature of human beings.

          There is no sacred text, no singular source of wisdom; there is only the combined efforts of humans throughout history to understand, through experience and thoughtful consideration.

          The single biggest reason I dislike religion is the naive view of the faithful that it is indispensable for such wisdom, when in fact there is nothing it provides that is not already available.

          December 14, 2013 at 6:35 pm |
    • JC

      There is as much likelihood that a self-perpetuating universe has always existed as there is for the fallacy that a creator of the universe has always existed. Religious belief is for losers.

      December 13, 2013 at 5:03 pm |
      • Matt

        And because there is as much likelihood that either could be correct, why do all of the atheists find Christians so "stupid". We are apparently no more "stupid" than you...

        December 13, 2013 at 5:38 pm |
        • Chikkipop

          Actually, there is NOT an equal likelihood that either is correct.

          One is highly unlikely based upon everything we currently understand, since it would require violations of the laws of physics, shows overwhelming evidence of being the product of human storytelling, and there is not the slightest evidence favoring it, even though one should reasonably expect it.

          The origin of the universe isn't completely understood, but to the extent we have learned, it appears exactly as one would expect an unguided natural phenomenon to appear.

          One view would overturn our state of knowledge; the other would be a continuation of it; therefor, the naturalistic view is the more reasonable position.

          December 14, 2013 at 4:41 pm |
        • cjeddie8

          so because science can't prove where it all started it gives credence to the Christian God creation theory. There are 4200 other religions on Earth right now that will disagree with you.

          December 14, 2013 at 5:12 pm |
        • usxpatriate

          Ridiculous, Christmas doesn't belong to Christian's. Do you see a jesus or manger scene anywhere but a church or follower's yard, nope. 99% belong's to retailer's and the non-christian world because we love celebration's and presents.

          December 15, 2013 at 7:58 am |
        • Piccolo

          Because of the whole God incarnating himself as a man just to die to free people from sin, when he could have just not created sin in the first place. It makes no sense that a loving god would send so many people to hell, and then decide that he needs to torture himself to free them, when he could just snap his fingers and it would be done. The whole free will thing doesn't make the least bit of sense. Adam has no free will and then uses his free will to eat the apple, causing all humans to have free will? Shhhwaaa? The Christian god (all knowing all powerful) is so unrealistic it makes all other theistic religions look bad.

          December 16, 2013 at 2:01 pm |
        • Dandintac

          The whole Jesus story has never made a lick of sense to me whatsoever. Christians claim that Jesus "paid our debt" by being a blood sacrifice to God to pay for our "sins". What kind of parent needs to have one of their children killed so that they can forgive the other children???? God is all-powerful, but he can't forgive us for the flawed way he made us, therefore he needs to kill his best kid?? I can forgive my kids all sorts of things without the need to kill one of them, and I'm a mere mortal.

          What kind of parent would torture their children for all eternity–for anything? And the worst crime? Not believing. What kind of loving father tortures his child for all eternity for not believing in him? And this "Father" is supposed to be "all-loving?"

          I just don't see how anyone can believe this nonsense. I think you either have to be brainwashed, either through childhood indoctrination and lifelong inculcation, or through coercion, or else you just go along with it all and have not really thought about it seriously.

          December 16, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
  17. The Captain

    Whoa whoa WHOA!!!!! What in the H E L L do you mean Santa is a MYTH????

    December 13, 2013 at 2:02 pm |
    • Little Kid

      But mommy and daddy said he was real!!!!!!

      December 13, 2013 at 2:17 pm |
  18. moonstar

    What the hell is wrong with everyone. Some people believe, some don't. Either there is or there isn't. No one can prove a damn thing either way. But what bothers me most is when believers say things like, "If you don't believe you won't go to heaven." As far as I can tell, Jesus was about how you treat others, how you live your life. Even if you do not believe in a God, and it turns out that there IS a God, don't you think he knows that you are a fallible human and if he is to judge you, he will judge you on your actions, not your imperfect ability to figure out the truth? Don't you think that God knew when (if) he created us that he also knew that we would eternally question his existence? You think he put us on this Earth set up to fail? What about all the people who lived PRIOR to Jesus Christ? What happened to them? They didn't get to be Christians, since he wasn't even born yet, so did they all go to hell? Or were they judged on the merit of their lives? I just cannot believe how stupid people are, and if God does exist, I bet he shakes his head every damn day.

    December 13, 2013 at 1:05 pm |
    • Raygun

      Well said!

      December 13, 2013 at 1:16 pm |
    • jamesrechtet

      Thank Thor and Odin that Ken Ham is an absolute loon-bag, and he's doing far more harm to his religion than good.

      December 13, 2013 at 1:20 pm |
      • log

        I don't believe that for a second.

        December 13, 2013 at 1:57 pm |
      • Logical default

        I don't believe that for a second. Ken Ham is a businessman. He knows EXACTLY what he's doing, which is making money by feeding off those who are either really gullible or have really strong faith. He's a glorified snake oil salesman.

        December 13, 2013 at 1:59 pm |
  19. Doris

    "There are people who believe that humans and dinosaurs co-existed, that they roamed the Earth at the same time. There are museums that children go to, in which they build dioramas to show them this. And what this is, purely and simply, is a clinical psychotic reaction. They are crazy. They are stone-cold-f-ck nuts. I can't be kind about this, because these people are watching The Flintstones as if it were a documentary." –Lewis Black

    December 13, 2013 at 12:32 pm |
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