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Rand Paul: Obama won't stop war on Christianity
Kentucky Senator Rand Paul says the Obama administration has not countered Muslim extremists.
October 11th, 2013
02:33 PM ET

Rand Paul: Obama won't stop war on Christianity

Washington (CNN) – Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky devoted his speech to the socially conservative Values Voter Summit to “a war on Christianity” that is being waged by “fanatics of Islam.”

Much of Paul’s speech was a list of violence against Christians across the Muslim world, highlighting what he said was “not a little problem” and something that is “not going away quickly.”

“Across the globe, Christians are under attack almost as if we lived in the Middle Ages or we lived under early pagan Roman rule,” Paul said. “This administration does nothing to stop it and it can be argued that it is giving aid and comfort to those who tolerate these crimes.”

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- Dan Merica

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  1. Observer

    Some Christians claim that God only killed the guilty, but NO ONE has explained what sins the babies and fetuses committed.

    It's all hypocrisy and faulty logic for those making pitiful excuses for the Bible.

    October 12, 2013 at 5:59 pm |
    • Observer

      It is clearly stated all thoughts even the though process of all life was continually evil.

      October 12, 2013 at 6:30 pm |
  2. Observer

    My bad, I always try to advance my argument by mixing apples and oranges. It is OK to punish the guilty. If you are really interested about the murder of innocents consider this ... atheists have murdered more innocent people in the last 100 years than were killed in all previous centuries.

    October 12, 2013 at 5:46 pm |
  3. Observer

    (Gen. 7:21) “And all flesh died that moved on the earth, birds, domestic animals, wild animals, all swarming creatures that swarm on the earth, and ALL HUMAN BEINGS”

    Tough luck, kids.

    Tough luck to other living things, too.

    October 12, 2013 at 5:38 pm |
  4. Observer

    Matt,

    Atheism is benign. Check the definition. Just like with Christians, you have some good people and some bad people.

    The second is a good question. How do gays have a meaningful dialogue with Christian hypocrites who are trying to deny them equal rights?

    October 12, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
    • Observer

      The same way any other criminal types would.

      October 12, 2013 at 5:44 pm |
      • Observer

        Violation reported.

        October 12, 2013 at 5:46 pm |
      • Observer

        I'm telling
        I'm telling
        I'm telling !

        October 12, 2013 at 5:47 pm |
    • Matt

      After going through some past comments under different new articles, I see you are on all the time. What kind of work do you do? Do you have any hobbies? And why are you so passionate about your work? Shouldn't "indifference" rather than passion be the logical disposition of an atheist?

      October 12, 2013 at 5:45 pm |
      • Observer

        Matt,

        I am passionate when I see Christian hypocrites trashing gays or pro-choice people. Although I am an agnostic and not an atheist, I disagree with Christians hypocritically trashing atheists, too.

        October 12, 2013 at 5:49 pm |
      • Matt

        I'm not in favor of any hypocrites, Christian or non-believer

        October 12, 2013 at 5:51 pm |
      • Observer

        Matt,

        Good. We have something in common.

        October 12, 2013 at 5:53 pm |
      • Observer

        Sorry about the bull sh it if it wasn't for hypocrisy I would be speechless.

        October 12, 2013 at 6:31 pm |
  5. History

    ...oh, right...the Middle Ages was when fanatics of Christianity waged war on Muslims. Got a little confusing there for a second, Senator Paul, but you caught yourself. Thanks for the history lesson, and for clarifying how this is completely different. Where would we be without your clearheaded insights?

    October 12, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
  6. Reality # 2

    And now for some added history and theology for the new members of this blog:

    Luther (RB's hero), Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

    Current problems:
    Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

    October 12, 2013 at 4:40 pm |
  7. tallulah13

    Stop being such a cheapskate. If you want people to go to your website, do some advertising.

    October 12, 2013 at 3:20 pm |
  8. tallulah13

    For a better understanding of reality, I recommend a few science and history classes.

    October 12, 2013 at 3:20 pm |
  9. Kelly

    No. Quit spamming your web site and stop stealing free advertising.

    October 12, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
  10. Kelly

    I find Ranier's complete disregard of world history to be as simplistic as his apologist natterings defending his religion, even as he bashes Catholicism. Completely dismissing the harm the British Empire wrought on the world is disingenuous, at best.
    Please stick with your native Germany and its foibles instead of trying to re-write history to fulfill your narrow world-view and spamming your web site.
    And please, stop trying to re-write American history, because you seem to be clueless. Thanks.

    October 12, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
    • tallulah13

      As if Germany didn't have enough historic baggage of it's own...

      October 12, 2013 at 3:22 pm |
  11. sam stone

    well, rainy, i thank god that he sent you to be his personal spokesman, and the prophet who can determine who are the REAL christians. i am a better man for having heard your nuggets of godliness

    October 12, 2013 at 1:07 pm |
  12. Where is Rand Paul's Dad

    Rand,exactly how should the president or and president stop the attack on Christians out side of the West? Are you proposing military actionwhich your father Ron Paul opposed?

    October 12, 2013 at 1:00 pm |
    • sam stone

      pushing his his "war on christianity" would play well with his base const-i-t-uency.

      christians like to feel persecuted

      it gives them wood to think they are sufferring for their savior

      October 12, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
      • lol at you

        really? they like to feel prosecuted?

        I like how this article has a full 3 paragraphs if that, and the article about the jews would be roughly 4 pages printed out.

        keep being ignorant and stuffing the things that matter under the blanket, as long as those things aren't dealing with Israel or jews.

        October 12, 2013 at 1:47 pm |
        • sam stone

          lol@you

          go fvck yourself

          October 12, 2013 at 5:10 pm |
        • Oh, please - you equate what Jews went thru with being told "Happy Holidays"?

          You poor, poor, poor, victimized Christurds.

          October 12, 2013 at 7:31 pm |
        • Haywood Jablowmi

          Mr Lol, I think Sam was suggesting Christians like to be the underdog.

          October 13, 2013 at 9:41 am |
        • Conjuring Cat

          "Martyrdom...is what these people like; it is the only way in which a man can become famous without ability"–G. B. Shaw

          October 13, 2013 at 2:50 pm |
  13. Dyslexic doG

    the real question is: "why won't the christian god stop the war on christianity?"

    Q. is the islamic god stronger than the christian god?
    Q. are the other pagan gods stronger than the christian god?
    Q doesn't prayer to the christian god work? (he sure doesn't seem to be answering them)

    as always, religion leaves SO many unanswered questions ...

    October 12, 2013 at 12:39 pm |
  14. tallulah13

    It's actually fairly simple. Historically, the dominant religion of a culture will drive out or marginalize other religions in order to remove competition. The jews were often the scapegoats of christian cultures throughout Europe. Many wars were fought over dogmatic differences between catholic and protestant. The European settlers of the Americas and Australia did their best to wipe out the indigenous gods when they took the land from the natives. It's a recurring pattern in history, and one of the main reasons christianity is so successful. It rode the coattails of Western Civilization, wiping out competing religions, and often wiping out the people who would not abandon their own gods.

    Christianity was built on blood and destruction. It's funny that christians are whining, now that they are reaping what they have sown.

    October 12, 2013 at 11:31 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      As far as I know the Brits did not suck their colonies but promoted order, security and progress there. The old Brits were quite influenced by Protestantism.

      In contrast Catholic Belgium sucked Kongo, and caused the death of 10 million black people.

      German Protestants obeyed Hitler but that was a distorted Protestantism hardly criticised by Bonhoeffer.

      The wars in Europe between Catholics and Protestants were not about the dogma but the Catholic Church really sucked Europe, and the princes wanted get rid of her.

      Regretably the modern Protestantism is far away from genuine Christianity, and we need a new Reformation.

      October 12, 2013 at 11:44 am |
      • ME II

        @Rainer Braendlein,
        It sounds like you are saying that none of the earlier versions of Christianity have worked very well, so lets try a new version?

        What makes you think a new one will work any better? Faith?

        October 12, 2013 at 12:03 pm |
        • Rainer Braendlein

          We in the West always make the mistake that we put in too little effort to figure out what real faith means – we are too materialistic, and that is the reason why always false priests, bishops and pastors (also on the Protestant side) mislead us, and can tell us idiotic strories of cheap grace or workrighteousness.

          Our basic problem is the materialism. We spend too much time for increasing our material wealth, and neglect our spiritual health.

          October 12, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
      • ME II

        p.s.
        If the "old Brits" didn't suck their colonies, then I suppose the American Revolution was just a minor misunderstanding, eh?

        October 12, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
        • Rainer Braendlein

          It is one of the greatest calamities of all history that close related people killed each other on the battle fields of the British colonies in America only for the sake of some ridiculous taxes or for the sake of independence. The taxes were not legally but was that reason enough for a terrible war?

          October 12, 2013 at 12:11 pm |
      • tallulah13

        All the excuse making in the world doesn't alter history, Rainer. You are simply lying to defend your religion, and it's just not working.

        October 12, 2013 at 12:11 pm |
        • Rainer Braendlein

          Jesus never prescribed "Holy War" or Jihad according to the New Testament – that is true.

          Jesus wants us to love our fellow human beings independent from race, colour, nationality, belief, social status, etc. The love of Christ is unbiased.

          October 12, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
      • ME II

        @Rainer,
        Jesus wasn't a fan of freedom in general, what's your point?

        October 12, 2013 at 12:35 pm |
        • Rainer Braendlein

          Our freedom is bounded when our acting would harm our neighbour. Concerning this all reasonable experts in const-itutional law of all times would agree with Jesus.

          October 12, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
      • Dyslexic doG

        ask the Tasmanian aborigines about the Brits.

        oh wait, you cant, because they were completely wiped out!

        October 12, 2013 at 12:41 pm |
      • ME II

        @Rainer,
        According to what Bible?
        Freedom is non-existent, only obedience to God is important even if that means slaughtering your neighbor, according to the Bible, anyway.
        Jesus may have emphasized peace, but obedience was still more important, was it not?

        October 12, 2013 at 12:46 pm |
        • Rainer Braendlein

          Jesus did not judge the people of Israel though knowing their sinfulness. On the contrary, Jesus was seeking the community of the ordinary Jews which were condemned by the Jewish leaders (Scribes, Pharisees, High Priests, Elders, etc.).

          To a large extent sin is simply another word for egoism. God simply doesn't want us to harm our neighbour for the sake of our profit but to love him or her even if we will face some loss. Do you want to blame God for that?

          Yet, despite their egoism Jesus loved his fellow Jews, and befriended them. Jesus was no man of selfrighteousness.

          Every Christian shall imitate the unbiased love of Jesus towards everybody. Of course, this can also mean to exhort and stop people which commit extreme crimes. Also stubborn heretics need a harsher treatment because they harm innocent people and mislead them.

          October 12, 2013 at 1:00 pm |
      • tallulah13

        Rainer's belief in a nutshell: Jesus doesn't judge. Rainer does all the judging (and translating) for him.

        October 12, 2013 at 1:09 pm |
      • ME II

        @Rainer,
        "Also stubborn heretics need a harsher treatment because they harm innocent people and mislead them."

        Thus begins every religious war in history.

        October 12, 2013 at 1:15 pm |
        • Rainer Braendlein

          Harsher treatment means the withdrawal of community but no war. The only "weapon" of the church is the withdrawal of community.

          It would be good if the current "Christian" leaders would daresay that Islam is no legitimate religion or that Islam cannot give salvation or soul's health. But they are so decadent that they designate Muslim leaders as brothers. Oh, how dark is their mind.

          October 12, 2013 at 1:25 pm |
  15. tallulah13

    Christianity warred on other religions for thousands of years. They shouldn't whine now, when other religions are fighting back.

    October 12, 2013 at 11:19 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      You mean the distorted form of Christianity called Catholicism. The genuine faith of Jesus doesn't support aggressive war. The genuine Christian Church doesn't aspire after earthly rule but takes care of the soul's of the believers (pastoral care), and pronounces the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

      Never in history people worldwide were so deprived of pastoral care like today. A creeping death takes hold of us.

      October 12, 2013 at 11:25 am |
      • WhenCowsAttack

        There are many religions that do not support war.

        Yours is no more or less special or important than any of them.

        How do you feel about the slaughter of the Tibetans and their land?

        October 12, 2013 at 11:31 am |
        • Rainer Braendlein

          Any slaughter of any men is awful but I have no closer knowledge of the slaughter of the Tibetans.

          October 12, 2013 at 11:35 am |
      • tallulah13

        No. I'm talking about christianity in general. It wasn't the catholics who did their best to wipe out the indigenous nations and gods of North America. Protestants happily slaughtered catholics in wars over dogma. Christianity was built on blood of non-christians. History proves it.

        October 12, 2013 at 11:35 am |
      • Rainer Braendlein

        You must distinguish between true Christians and nominal Christians. Geniune Christianity doesn't support bloodshed, wiping out of indigenous nations, aggressive war, etc..

        The great German pastor Bonhoeffer was aware of the problem that their is often a great discrepancy between the behaviour of (nominal) Protestants and their confession of faith.

        October 12, 2013 at 11:50 am |
      • ME II

        @Rainer Braendlein,
        "You must distinguish between true Christians and nominal Christians."

        Please give your definition of "true" Christians and be specific.

        October 12, 2013 at 12:08 pm |
      • tallulah13

        They certainly thought they were christians, Rainer.

        You don't get to decide who is a christian and who is not. You are not that important. Your excuses are pathetic and childish and fool only yourself.

        October 12, 2013 at 12:09 pm |
      • Conjuring Cat

        Annnnnd, No True Scotsman rides again! Hi-ho Silver, away!...

        October 12, 2013 at 1:04 pm |
      • Matt

        Christian teaching is about loving God and neighbor. Not killing either one of them.

        October 12, 2013 at 5:58 pm |
      • tallulah13

        That's pretty dependent on the christain doing up the teaching, Matt.

        October 12, 2013 at 6:03 pm |
  16. Tom, Tom, the Other One

    I just don't understand it. The Devil is the greatest threat. The greatest threat by an infinite margin over all threats. Why is Rand Paul focused on Obama over Cub Scouts like the Muslim Brotherhood? It is the Devil, O my brothers and sisters, that these fools should be preparing for. Why is there no Cabinet level position devoted to this? Nothing in Defense? I call on Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, Ted Cruz and the other stalwarts to hold Obama accountable for this unfathomable weakness.

    October 12, 2013 at 10:59 am |
    • Henryo

      Cruz, Rand and Ryan are all sociopathic terrorists.

      October 12, 2013 at 11:05 am |
  17. Jenifer is a family name

    Wow. Not aging well. Seems that Jesus isn't his personal dermatologist after all.

    October 12, 2013 at 10:59 am |
    • WhenCowsAttack

      Plastic surgery- fixing God's mistakes for 50 years!

      October 12, 2013 at 11:32 am |
  18. bostontola

    Christians never cease to amaze me. They are a vast majority in the US and a plurality in the world, yet they act like an oppressed minority. This wuss mentality must be created in churches. Stop being such a wuss!

    October 12, 2013 at 10:57 am |
    • Conjuring Cat

      Don't forget Faux Nooz...

      October 12, 2013 at 1:05 pm |
  19. Agnostickids

    Yeah, see, there's this funny thing called, "The Separation of Church and State," that Rand seems blissfully unaware of.

    Kinda frightening really, because he wants to be President of the USA someday, when he grows up. Fat chance Rand. We're sick of you religious zealots. It's ironic that Rand is going on about a war against christianity, when all along he truly belongs in the theocracy that is Islam.

    October 12, 2013 at 10:53 am |
    • WhenCowsAttack

      Even if it weren't for separation, what in the hey are we supposed to do about it?

      Send in the Navy seals to every Christian household abroad just in case they're attacked? Provide secret service protection 24/7 for them? Selectively bomb the shiite out of these countries? WHAT? What exactly does he expect Obama to do?

      And where's his plan?

      October 12, 2013 at 10:58 am |
      • Agnostickids

        Exactly. I think he just wants to be heard one last time as his ship goes down with the rest of the tea-party...

        October 12, 2013 at 11:04 am |
  20. bostontola

    If Ignorance precedes doom, we would have been destroyed a long time ago. For centuries, small minded people viewed their time in the world as special. Now is no different.

    October 12, 2013 at 10:52 am |
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