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 The Air Force Academy has made a big change to its honor code to reflect religious diversity.
October 25th, 2013
05:11 PM ET
Air Force makes 'God' optional in honor codeBy Emily Smith, CNN (CNN) - The U.S. Air Force Academy has decided to make phrase "so help me God" optional in its honor code after an activist group protested that requiring all cadets to recite it violates their rights. The complete oath reads: "We will not lie, steal, or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does, so help me God." Cadets are required to recite the oath when they complete basic training. It is also taken by the entire cadet wing each year as re-affirmation of their commitment to the honor code, said AFA spokesman Major Brus Vidal. The Military for Religious Freedom Foundation, a watchdog group that has waged repeated battle with the armed services, took issue with the last clause of the sentence, saying that no cadets should be forced to make a promise to God. After the complaint was filed by MRFF, the Air Force Academy Honor Review Committee met for an in-depth discussion regarding the oath. On Friday, the AFA released a statement saying they had decided to make the final clause of the honor oath optional. The AFA statement read, in part, “Here at the Academy, we world to build a culture of dignity and respect, and that respect includes the ability of our cadets, Airmen and civilian Airmen to freely practice and exercise their religious preference –- or not.” "The fact that the oath is optional will be communicated in honor lessons, leadership lessons, and religious respect lessons during the summer (cadet basic military training) so all trainees will understand prior to taking the Cadet Honor Oath that the final clause will be completely optional," said Vidal. "The person administering the oath, who is the cadet wing honor chair has the option to say or not say 'so help me god," so this might vary from year to year," Vidal continued. MORE ON CNN: Air Force: Bible and nukes don't mix Mikey Weinstein, MRFF's founder and president, said he would sue the academy on behalf of his clients if the words were still left at the end of the oath, even if repeating them was optional. “If the words are still there and you don’t say [them] you turn yourself into a tarantula on a wedding cake,” he said. MRFF has taken issue with the Air Force before. In 2011, the group complained about an Air Force training presentation that used religion to teach the ethics and morality of using nuclear weapons. That same year, CNN learned that the Air Force was using religious tenets such as the Ten Commandments to teach core values to ROTC cadets. MORE ON CNN: Air Force's use of Christian messages extends to ROTC
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Not a problem Because the god that rules earthly governments(Satan) luke 4: 5
5 So he brought him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the inhabited earth in an instant of time; 6 and the Devil said to him: “I will give you all this authority and the glory of them, because it has been delivered to me, and to whomever I wish I give it. 7 You, therefore, if you do an act of worship before me, it will all be yours.” 8 In reply Jesus said to him: “It is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”
does not care if you you worship him directly–as long as you don't Follow bibliv=cal principles and Give your worship to Jehovah God almighty and put Faith in his Soon to be earthly Kingdom Ruled By his son Jesus.
all these Earthly governments will be destroyed at Armageddon
rev 16:16
14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.
15 “Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one that stays awake and keeps his outer garments, that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.”
16 And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Har–Ma·ged′on.
Dan 2:44
44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite
AND THEN
PSALM 37: 29
29 The righteous themselves will possess the earth,
And they will reside forever upon it.
mATH 5:5
5 “Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.
The witnesses have the Truth on Earth
Math 24:14
14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.
blah..blah..blah...Must you people use every excuse you can to advertise your religion like a used car salesmen?
marky-mark: you do realize that quotes from a book are only relevant to those who accept the authority of the book, don't you?
Oops. I thought the poster was named mark, not monk.
still a d-bag, though
Is there anyone out there that thinks that 20,000 years ago the universe didn't exist yet?
By all reports about 20% of the people on earth believe that. Truth be told no one really knows for sure .
Colin,
No one knows for sure we are not in a "Matrix" like existence. As sure as we are in a real physical world, we are sure the universe is billions of years old.
o Mickey Weinstein takes 50% of the donations to his "non-profit" as his salary. If he was really concerned about the situation, he would simply donate his time and effort to the cause at no cost but paying himself a quarter of a million dollars every year for writing a few op-ed pieces has the stench and ooze of a money-grab. (See his group's Form 990's at guidestar.org )
And please note that the USA taxpayers paid for Mickey's law degree which he got while in the US Air Force. (And I do believe, Mickey also gets a US Air Force pension paid for by the USA taxpayers)
More on Mickey W's "non-profit" as per his Form 990:
Whereas most "non-profits" have a board of directors of a least five members, he has three members and of course he is one of them.
And besides the quarter of a million dollars/yr. salary, he pays himself from the donations of $500,000- $700,000 per year, he lists a number of expenses paid for by his "organization" of three:
These expenses total another $250,000/yr. which apparently end up in his pocket. (Part IX, line 5 on his 2011 Form 990).
Another "non-profit" racket indeed!!!
(remember, I am an atheist)
Another small, but welcome advance away from the ridiculous notion that a commitment is only valid if the person giving it believes that the (Judeo-Christian) sky-fairy is supervising their statement, ready to punish them if they break it.
I suspect that, within 100 or so years, people will look back on all this religious BS as one of the last relics from the Dark Ages.
I'm curious as to how you came up with "within 100 or so years" as what you suspect will happen in that time-frame?
It sounds amazingly unrealistic to me unless there is some massive change in the status quo.
I wasn't being mathematically precise, I could just have well said "at some point in the future...". That said, I heard of a study where they predict, based on trending numbers, that Christianity will be a minorty to "no particular belief" within about 30 years. I can't recall its name, but I think it was either an Australian or Canadian study.
Look at the rate of change for civil rights, women's rights and gay rights. I suggest the rate of change is increasing and it will only take 2 to 3 generations before religion takes its rightful place with astrology, its predecessor on the evolutionary tree of stupidity.
When we need advice from a foreigner we'll rattle your cage. Go fvck up your own af. There's your sign
Hey Cao't your skull is empty ........sort of like skull
Hey Cap't your skull is just as empty as skull 5 that is 1.8 million years old !
5
Without God there would be no science.
Hey Collin................way before the bible was written.
To easy no god(s) NEEDED !
Ancient DNA Links Native Americans With Europe
posted on October 26, 2013 04:29AM GMT
Now comes a surprising twist, from the complete nuclear genome of a Siberian boy who died 24,000 years ago—the oldest complete genome of a modern human sequenced to date.
The word god refers to an idol. God Is and was before all things. Without God there would be no science, without God there would be no you.
Hey Collin
Take a close look 13.1 billion what ?
Astronomers have found a galaxy far, far away—13.1 billion light-years from Earth, to be exact.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/astronomers-discover-the-most-distant-galaxy-yet/?source=hp_dl1_news-distant-galaxy-discovered-20131024
So based on trending numbers, then. I wouldn't use those numbers myself. But then I do a lot of things different, don't I? lol
Thanks for answering.
There is a massive change. Look to the stats showing massive shift in religious belief. One of the big factors is the internet, cell phones – easy information availability is very damaging to a lot of religion.
I'd like to think people are becoming less credulous and a bit better educated in logic and cirticism. Loss of relgion would be a positive sign then.
I won't be there to see it having been consigned to hell for some time, but i'll know how wrong I've been.
Anyone who needs the watchful eye of a mythological being to refrain from cheating, lying and stealing should really rethink their own character. Honest people will be honest, with or without a god.
Pinkie swear?
Interesting, how you speak of honesty and lying in moral terms. Whose to say lying is bad. If God does not exist, if His laws are not part of our being (conscience)) and we aren't going to be held accountable by God, then who defines morality. And don't tell me society because thatis just a joke.
Matthew
"If God does not exist, if His laws are not part of our being (conscience)) and we aren't going to be held accountable by God, then who defines morality. And don't tell me society because thatis just a joke."
The joke may be on you. Our "morals" are defined by society and our individual logic. That's why there are so many Christians who believe that some of God's "morals", such as support for slavery, are actually "immoral" to them and won't follow them..
Sir, "Our "morals" are defined by society and our individual logic. That's why there are so many Christians who believe that some of God's "morals", such as support for slavery, are actually "immoral" to them and won't follow them".
Actually, the Bible does not teach slavery, as we think of it today, is moral. Slavery in the Bible was usually voluntary, usually to pay off an impossible debt or to stay alive cause of harsh condition, which is actually a kindness. But I am not attempting to speak to that subject.
You say Morals are based on society and personal views. So if a society thought exploitation of children (whatever form), rave bias, etc., was all ok, then hey...society makes the rule, who are you to judge.
Matthew,
The Bible tells you WHERE you can buy slaves; WHO you can buy as slaves; HOW LONG you can keep them as slaves; that you are to consider them as PROPERTY; and how badly you can BEAT THEM without punishment.
Please read a Bible sometime.
Matthew,
"So if a society thought exploitation of children (whatever form), rave bias, etc., was all ok, then hey...society makes the rule, who are you to judge."
Everyone judges. Again, that's why so many Christians don't believe and follow everything in the Bible. Many Christians and the LAW believe the Bible is "immoral" to tell parents to beat their helpless children with rods for discipline. People decide that on their own.
Sir, "Everyone judges. Again, that's why so many Christians don't believe and follow everything in the Bible. Many Christians and the LAW believe the Bible is "immoral" to tell parents to beat their helpless children with rods for discipline. People decide that on their own."
Exactly, everyone judges. Everyone including atheists, christians, false christians, etc., and they all place restrictions on actions. One generation, it may be ok to punish with a rod, but another now it's against the law. But their "judging" stems from their corrupted (due to sin) moral conscience which should be informed by God's word. But what your saying is murder isn't really wrong it's just unpopular. There is no morality. If we're just evolved animals (a faith based belief btw) than who are we to say someone else is wrong about anything. But, praise be to God, our sinful, corrupt conscious can still be informed by His Word. So a lie can really be called a lie, stealing really is wrong and not just because a bunch of people can get together and say, Yeah...I don't like that, so stop it or we'll punish you because we have the power/might. Cause maybe, they'll get together and enforce Prima Nocta. You said, "people decide that on their own", so when they get together, societally, and enact stuff like that all you can say is, "I don't like this group decision" vs what a christian should say, "this IS morally wrong...cause God, who made all things and gave us His law, said so.
saying it's a joke doesn't make it so
if you do something or don't do something because an omnipotent being told you to do it or not do it, you are no more making a moral choice than a dog who does not hop up on the couch because he has been punished for doing so
""We will not lie, steal, or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does, so help me God.""
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For an unbeliever, it therefore requires a lie to swear he won't lie.... logical impossibility.
"Fascinating" as Mr. Spock would say.
“When people ask me if a god created the universe, I tell them that the question itself makes no sense. Time didn’t exist before the big bang, so there is no time for god to make the universe in. It’s like asking directions to the edge of the earth; The Earth is a sphere; it doesn’t have an edge; so looking for it is a futile exercise. We are each free to believe what we want, and it’s my view that the simplest explanation is; there is no god. No one created our universe,and no one directs our fate. This leads me to a profound realization; There is probably no heaven, and no afterlife either. We have this one life to appreciate the grand design of the universe, and for that I am extremely grateful.”
-but he was younger then. He's a bit more hardened now.
I appreciate your post. I am curious as to your view on what "existed" prior to the big bang.
God doesn't exist. But O how I believe! I believe!
The Encyclopedia of Religion and War states: “The earliest followers of Jesus rejected war and military service,” recognizing those practices as “incompatible with the love ethic of Jesus and the injunction to love one’s enemies.” Likewise, German theologian Peter Meinhold said of those early disciples of Jesus: “Being a Christian and a soldier was considered irreconcilable.”
I believe freedom of religion is a two way street. If people want freedom to have a religion they should also allow for freedom of others to not have a religion.
That is called 'freedom from religion.
And you really don't have freedom OF religion without freedom FROM religion.
So can someone tell me when God will be removed from the national anthem? It's unfortunate that the country that was built on God's foundation, the nation that fore-fathers founded on the pillars of Christianity has suddenly discovered her right and freedom of religion thereby eliminating God from the core of her existence. I wonder why there are so much calamities! A nation at war against itself.
Yomi, I agree with you, except that God is not mentioned in our national anthem.
Yomi,
Our forefathers had a chance to design the best possible new government. They decided on one which kept religion and government SEPARATE. Some key leaders like Thomas Jefferson weren't Christians. Read some history books.
"Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
Sorry, must have missed it. Didn't see any God in there.
Or are you referring to an obscure verse that no one knows the words to and no one ever sings?
The problem with theists is that:
1. They've never read their own holy books, but are certain they are "holy"... just because
2. They can't tell you what the "Ten Commandments" are, but will shoot you for trying to remove them from our public buildings
3. They don't know the words to the national anthem, but are somehow certain "god" is in there somewhere
"the country that was built on God's foundation, the nation that fore-fathers founded on the pillars of Christianity has suddenly discovered her right and freedom of religion thereby eliminating God from the core of her existence"
What country do you speak of? It is not the United States of America. The USA is founded on it's people not divine intervention.
Not clear as to why the word "God" needs to be removed from the anthem exactly?? Help me understand. It seems there are more "theists" than "atheists" and as a majority rule it would stay in. No? It doesn't specify what God it is referring too so that covers almost everything that isn't atheism or wicca.
Actually Cernnunos would be "God" in Wicca so maybe that venue to would be tied.
Cernunnos is but one of many gods that may or may not be revered by Wiccans.
The actual belief in deity or deities varies from Wiccan to Wiccan. For some, there is simply the nameless, faceless Lord and Lady. For some, these two represent all gods and goddesses. For others they invoke specific deities.
And that doesn't begin to touch on the rest of Paganism.
Let me help you understand something about democracy, specifically what it's *NOT*: majority rule.
Because that's when a majority, like bible thumpers, could terrorize others.
Got it now?
If it were in the anthem it would violate separation of state and church – which is why it should be removed from the pledge, the currency, public buildings, etc. I'd be surprised if you'd be happy if your god were replaced with, say, a hindu god on the currency, buildings, pledge, etc.
1) God isn't in the anthem.
2) If it were, it should be removed because the anthem,, like so many other things, should represent ALL Americans, not just the majority.
3) There are much more than just Christians, Atheists and Wiccans in this country.
Not soon enough!
God's foundation? Like slavery, and women having fewer rights?
To Mikey Weinstein– You already are a "tarantula on a wedding cake".
Score one for the good guys.
I'm sure you haters will be attacking "In God We Trust" next. That must really burn you up every time you look at a dollar bill. Oh well, the burning up part is probably good training for you.
bilbfit,
Must be tough to know our Christian forefathers didn't want that on their money.
where would christianity be without the pseudo pious bloviating out empty proxy threats?
I am a Christian and I do not agree with this mean-spirited comment. We have no right to condemn others.
they should not bow to pressure from these groups, this is an oath to be honest. why would you change this.. I believe in god, but even if you do not, this is to instill honor, honor is a serious part of military life. we try to be honestly above all others with honor, to represent our country with honor, why take out the one part that makes it a truth.. I am sad today.. after 23 years of service I am so sad...
and people should want to be honest for the sake of being honest, not because they feel threatened by imaginary beings
You reside in a Secular country, your belief in god is not everyone's belief and thus the words have no place.
Then perhaps atheists can say "so help me Zeus" just to show how silly the phrase is.
Atheists do not request help from any imaginary friends, including 'zeus'.
We believe in the FSM.
Ramen.
The lack of good spaghetti bothers me. I'd invite the FSM over to my mountain, but the astral plane is all fucked up.
michael,
So what would be wrong with "We will not lie, steal, or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does, on my word"?
Perfect.
on my word. I believe in that. I really do. Because my word is my oath. just as to my wife. I didn't say you had to say on my word to god, like I said no one Is watching you. you say what you want. I didn't tell you to say in god I trust or so help me god. you can believe what you want but these people who joined the academy were aware before they joined they would have these oaths, and if they didn't its their own fault. I would like to believe that our officer corps was smarter than this, to just follow like sheep. if you want to be a part of something so great then you should be able to separate this and stand in your place and say what you want I agree, and like I said we are not watching to see what you say. but be honest with your oath to serve!!!! these oaths have a reason, even if you don't believe in a god, they represent that you will serve with honor. I am not a commissioned officer, I am a Non Commissioned Officer and I believe in my oath and served my country for 23 years. you have your opinion,, I understand as do I, doesn't make it right... Smiles... Service Before Self.... Do you fathom what that really means?
For those whom service has become 'self,' it's just another way of j@cking off.
as is prayer, cpt d-bag
Implying that one can not have honor unless they believe in a higher deity. I think your logic is a bit twisted here. Just because you believe in God (and you have the right to), doesn't mean those who do not must mention God's name to have honor for their position. We have something called freedom of religion, and that includes not having one. Why force beliefs on someone else just because it's your idea of honor?
'Bout time.
The military still has plenty work to do. When I was in the Army, during certain ceremonies we were forced to act as though we were praying (bowing the head, putting hands together) while a Christian religious figure was speaking. During my WLC graduation I felt absolute disgust for what I was being forced to do. Even after protesting, I had no choice but to do what I was told. Thinking back, I should have filed a formal report for violation of my religious conscience.
I am guessing you are an idiot. do I have your attention. you were not forced to do anything. we did not hold your head in place. no one would have graded you down. you assumed, your fault.. oops.... ok a moment of silence, so difficult, I stand in silence for muslems although I don't believe in their beliefs... your sad because you make excuses. be real and tell the truth, just don't blame..
Michael, everything in my post is accurate and true, and it also was only one of the many episodes in which my religious conscience was blatantly violated. I don't care whether you believe me; your opinion has no bearing on the facts.
The country was founded and sustained itself on principals such as these. Its only fitting that it should end on the same demise of. The US is over. We had a great run. God Bless.
What principles are you referring to, freedom of religion?
Yeah, it's over. You frothing at the mouth Christian Talibangelical fanatics aren't going to get the theocracy you've been dreaming of. Freedom wins after all.
Ryan: Looks like you've never studied the Constitution. If you knew a thing about it, you'd know that the country was founded on Secular principles, not theistic principles.
What part of our laws are you under liar prefails you ain't an American so why don't you just take a flying leap. There's your sign
Sorry, religious whack jobs, the country is getting more secular and there isn't a single thing you can do about it. The societal "free market" (which you so love) has spoken. You're going out of business.
Worthless God hating POS! Burn in Hell.
spoken like a true Christian... I'm sure your god is proud
I'm sure he is. Ya know, kind of like good against evil, Mr. Evil.
Thanks for representing your faith so wonderfully, bilbfit!! I wish all Christians behaved as you do. You'd all be mocked as much as the Westboro Baptist freaks.
bilbfit
"Worthless God hating POS! Burn in Hell."
Wow! The ONLY people who can hate God are believers and you really trashed them! What do you have against believers?
Not true. Many of you haters suspect God's existence, but you openly profess your hate for anything related to God (especially God loving people) simply because your lives s u c k so much. It really is sad and pathetic.
bilbfit,
What's sad is your lack of knowledge of the definitions of common words like "atheist" and "tradition". All you seem to be able to offer is insults.
Your complaint about "comparing a tradition involving God to a tradition of slavery" was fascinating since the Bible supports slavery. Have you read a Bible?
I suspect bilbfit needs to vent some more. Go ahead, little fella! Get it all out! We're here for you.
Observer, if you would stop burning so many Bibles out of anger and frustration for the way your sad life has turned out, maybe that would leave more Bibles for the rest of us to read. Now go perform your nightly ritual of throwing darts at your Jesus dartboard. Maybe it'll help you feel better. At least temporarily.
Go blow Observer Crom. That is what you people do isn't it? You two loverboys better get every pleasure off of each other while you can, because soon there will be nothing left of you two but worm meat. Sad, but actually a little amusing.
bilbfit
"anger and frustration for the way your sad life has turned out"
Do you mean like someone who would say "Worthless God hating POS! Burn in Hell."? Oooops! lol.
Get some rest and work on curbing your anger and frustration. Read a Bible. It will help put you to sleep.
bilbfit,
I'm straight, but don't worry about apologizing. You didn't get anything else right, either.
Chill out. Take some tranquilizers. Get some sleep.
Luckily religious people are still allowed to serve in the armed forces (our armies would be pathetic if they were banned).
Can't take away your right to serve but we can ensure you don't shove your belief in to publicly funded programs.
SO when does a privately held company get to "opt out" of paying for (or insuring for) insurance issues that are against their beliefs? Sounds like the athiests want both sides of this issue.
Are you suggesting that private companies don't have to follow the law? Should a private company be allowed to kill people just because they're private?
What "both sides" are you talking about, anyway? Are you really suggesting that all atheists are Obama supporters or democrats or liberals? Seriously? Care to specify?
August: Yes because everyone must follow the law of the land and in case you missed it, you reside in a Secular country. It is not a companies business-private or not, what their employees do with their bodies.
If they can't follow orders and / or think their religious rules are above the law, they shouldn't even think of being a public servant of any sort. They are already corrupted and unable to fulfill any government function. "Serving two masters" is a recipe for violations of one or both masters, negating any worth as a servant of anyone. It's just crazy to do otherwise.
You're clearly mentally ill Crum. I would say "God help you," but he won't. You're clearly too far on the dark side.
Aren't you cute. I laugh at your puny attempts to bother me.
You're not cute at all Crum. You're clearly a mental midget and I suspect the same applies to you physically. Why don't you just go jump in your little coffin and get this all over with? What's the difference? Just stop the suffering for you and everyone who has to put up with you. Think public service.
liar prefails can't do sh it to our country because it is not a citizen of our country. Look at the pos pretending to be one of US, absolutely disgusting . You are fooling no one ass hole. There's your sign
wow
So when will it be removed from swearing in the President, Supreme Court Judges. any official office, when testifying to Congress, or testifying in court? (no more purgery charges).
It is not required for any of these things.
Presidents do it out of custom and because they are afraid of ticking off the fundies.
The oath is: "“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Const.itution of the United States.”
Notice anything missing? It's not in the Const.itution.
Lying is lying, whether it's done after swearing to a deity or otherwise.
There is no such thing as "a deity"...there is only one and that is God, Jehovah.
Actually, there are plenty deities (thousands), and your god is only of the many. What they all have in common is that they're all fictional characters.
There is such a thing as a deity... it's just unfortunate that you're so closed minded that you can't see that. Your god isn't the only one and its awfully conceited to think so
Belief in God does not make one closed-minded.
Disbelief in God does not make one open-minded.
Which god exactly? I'm sure most christians, muslims, pagans, etc would disagree that your particular imaginary friend is the only one. Godchecker.com will allow you to educate yourself on the varying gods and the ages of them...your god is far from the oldest of them. Why should one accept your version of imaginary friend over the version of imaginary friend some other believer may have?
There are places in the Bible where they mention some of those Gods. Why else would the Lord say "Thou shalt have no other Gods but me?"
So, Matthew, can prove that your, or any, god exists, or are you just another blathering, mentally ill, delusional believer?
"Thou shalt have no other Gods but me?"
Like an abusive spouse, there are consequences in doing otherwise. In your gods case that consequence is eternal torture!
The word god refers to an idol. There are no consequences from God when you ignore an idol.
A capital letter indicates respect and it is hard to give respect to something that is imaginary!
Since this ganadian pos comes on our blog it has no relevance here tell it to go f itself and move on. There's your sign.
Soon, I hope. You don't have to swear on a Bible in court any more, we can only hope for the best
Truth is another casualty of "modern" man.
It took Obingo 5 years to undo traditions that have survived for centuries. If he were King Obingo, we would be in deep trouble.
The Honor Oath at the Air Force Academy came about in 1984 after some cadets cheated on a physics exam. The USAFA was founded on April 1, 1945. Neither has been around for centuries.
Obviously I wasn't referring to that specific oath. I was speaking of atheistic trends in general. Geez...
What so called atheistic trends would you be speaking of?
liar prefails is not an American but it likes to play one on blogs. Go p iss up a rope canuk we 'll take care of US. There's your sign
bilbfit,
Slavery and discrimination against women, gays, and blacks were "traditions that have survived for centuries" and were undone.
What was your point, if any?
So you're comparing a tradition involving God to a tradition of slavery? That's sick. Truly sick.
bilbfit,
Tradition: the transmission of customs or beliefs from generation to generation, or the fact of being passed on in this way
So slavery wasn't a tradition in the South? Lol. Don't worry, they'll cover that when you get to 2nd grade.
Read up "Observer." Slavery was a tradition in the North as well, and in fact slaves were all over Washington DC and other Northern jurisdictions until 1862 during the height of the Civil War, before Northern slave owners were bought out with federal funds. It's Northern hypocrisy to only mention the South in regard to slavery, but of course you're not aware of any of this. Your only interest is hating anything associated with God.
bilbfit,
lol. Where did I say that slavery was a tradition ONLY in the South? Is reading comprehension a real problem for you?
Your arguments are really juvenile.
As long as you are on the topic, do you support slavery like the Bible does or do you HYPOCRITICALLY pick and choose from the Bible?
You're sub-juvenile in your "intelligence" Observer. And I'm sure your bed mates are the same. Enjoy what little pleasure you have left. If you actually consider that nastiness pleasure.
bilbfit,
You apparently are too dimwitted to admit you were WRONG.
Your "arguments" are nothing but juvenile insults without any substance or facts. It appears that you might not be ready for prime time here, kid. Good luck.
Observer, nice try boy, but your ignorance and lack of education shines through as clear as day. As does your evil hatred for all who believe in the afterlife. Enjoy your nothingness. You deserve every bit of it.
"Centuries"? The USAF is only 66 years old. The AIRPLANE is barely one century old.
What else you got?
I've got that you must be really, really dumb, since you cannot discern the difference between "traditions" and "tradition." You must have missed the day they discussed plural vs. singular in 2nd grade.
And bilbfit must have been busy with a pedophile priest when the rest of his class learned about "context."
HotAir, your abuse by a priest and/or your daddy is likely what turned you into a God hater. That's very common with you abused children. So sorry for your life's destruction, but on the other hand, I'm Ok with it. LOL!!!
bilbfit
"So sorry for your life's destruction, but on the other hand, I'm Ok with it. LOL!!!"
How Christian of you! Just what Jesus would have said, right?
Keep up the HYPOCRISY. Nonbelievers expect hypocrisy from most believers. Well done.
Thanks Observer. Sometimes the good have to fight evil with fire, and fire is something that you will soon be very familiar with.
If you worship tradition– then that is your "god" and you are just a Pharisee like the papists, getting wound up over doing some tradition over and over forever. You think tradition is above the law and that your religion is above the law.
Take a number. We've got thousands of you idiots running around like a bunch of weasels with OCD. Blah blah.
There is already an option for those who don't want to put their hand on the bible and swear to God. Taking the religious oath doesn't prevent anyone from lying.
BS. You're only speaking for yourself because you have no God.
It's good to have no god.
That is the essence of spiritual freedom.