Air Force makes 'God' optional in honor code
The Air Force Academy has made a big change to its honor code to reflect religious diversity.
October 25th, 2013
05:11 PM ET

Air Force makes 'God' optional in honor code

By Emily Smith, CNN

(CNN) - The U.S. Air Force Academy has decided to make phrase "so help me God" optional in its honor code after an activist group protested that requiring all cadets to recite it violates their rights.

The complete oath reads: "We will not lie, steal, or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does, so help me God."

Cadets are required to recite the oath when they complete basic training. It is also taken by the entire cadet wing each year as re-affirmation of their commitment to the honor code, said AFA spokesman Major Brus Vidal.

The Military for Religious Freedom Foundation, a watchdog group that has waged repeated battle with the armed services, took issue with the last clause of the sentence, saying that no cadets should be forced to make a promise to God.

After the complaint was filed by MRFF, the Air Force Academy Honor Review Committee met for an in-depth discussion regarding the oath.

On Friday, the AFA released a statement saying they had decided to make the final clause of the honor oath optional.

The AFA statement read, in part, “Here at the Academy, we world to build a culture of dignity and respect, and that respect includes the ability of our cadets, Airmen and civilian Airmen to freely practice and exercise their religious preference –- or not.”

"The fact that the oath is optional will be communicated in honor lessons, leadership lessons, and religious respect lessons during the summer (cadet basic military training) so all trainees will understand prior to taking the Cadet Honor Oath that the final clause will be completely optional," said Vidal.

"The person administering the oath, who is the cadet wing honor chair has the option to say or not say 'so help me god," so this might vary from year to year," Vidal continued.

MORE ON CNN: Air Force: Bible and nukes don't mix

Mikey Weinstein, MRFF's founder and president, said he would sue the academy on behalf of his clients if the words were still left at the end of the oath, even if repeating them was optional.

“If the words are still there and you don’t say [them] you turn yourself into a tarantula on a wedding cake,” he said.

MRFF has taken issue with the Air Force before. In 2011, the group complained about an Air Force training presentation that used religion to teach the ethics and morality of using nuclear weapons.

That same year, CNN learned that the Air Force was using religious tenets such as the Ten Commandments to teach core values to ROTC cadets.

MORE ON CNN: Air Force's use of Christian messages extends to ROTC

- CNN Belief Blog

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soundoff (2,610 Responses)
  1. Neo Agnostic

    Had a great time outside the "Holy House" Dressed as the Devil. I have never seen so many people cross themselves in my life. Some yelled at me to go away, one guy tried to "Banish Me" by quoting the bible, I was laughing and dancing around. Fun times man, fun times.

    October 26, 2013 at 11:11 pm |
    • St. Ain

      I bet you looked pretty as a blond.

      October 26, 2013 at 11:16 pm |
      • Neo Agnostic

        I don't know, ever see a fat man in red tights? Not pretty. Which made it all the more fun.

        October 26, 2013 at 11:20 pm |
        • St. Ain

          Satan Claus? It's just a typo away.

          October 26, 2013 at 11:25 pm |
    • Crom

      Ha! Sounds like fun. You should have brought an amp and guitar and given them some deathmetal, too. I'm verdigris.

      October 26, 2013 at 11:17 pm |
    • St. Ain

      Nice timing with the post too 11:11 sharp.

      October 26, 2013 at 11:17 pm |
      • Neo Agnostic


        October 26, 2013 at 11:20 pm |
        • St. Ain


          October 26, 2013 at 11:24 pm |
  2. Neo Agnostic

    Prayer changes...wait for it....wait for it...NOTHING.

    October 26, 2013 at 11:07 pm |
  3. Sara

    I have a family member who went to the AFA but no longer tells people that because of the embarrassing religious nuthouse the place became in the last decade. It's a real shame for what should be, and once was, a top notch school.

    October 26, 2013 at 11:04 pm |
  4. Lionly Lamb


    October 26, 2013 at 10:38 pm |
  5. Connie Mendoza

    The shortest distance between a problem and a solutions – is the distance between your knees and the floor –
    Praise God

    October 26, 2013 at 10:14 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      excellent advice when applied to oral s.e.x.

      October 26, 2013 at 10:19 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Actually, Connie, most people can solve their own problems. All you have to do is make an effort. Even most christians aren't afraid to solve their own problems. Stop treating god like he's your private servant.

      October 27, 2013 at 1:02 am |
    • sam stone.

      did you ever consider what kind of vindictive pr1ck needs to be praised 24/7, lest he has a tempert tantrum?

      would you want to spend ETERNITY with such a punk?

      October 27, 2013 at 6:27 am |
  6. Connie Mendoza

    No, it should be kept, this has been a long standing tradition, we need to have a belief in God – when we have joy, sadness
    in our life we turn to God for direction – it is this belief that helps us to get through tough times as well as joyous moments
    in our life.

    May God continue to be with us now and always

    October 26, 2013 at 10:08 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      sounds like an abusive co-dependent relationship. you don't need god to be a good person. really.

      October 26, 2013 at 10:16 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Why do we need a belief in an unproven, imaginary being?

      October 26, 2013 at 11:53 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Actually, our right to not believe in god(s) is protected by the Constitution of this great secular nation. The Air Force is a government institution, therefore it should not evoke a god in it's oaths. And frankly, any cadet (or person) who needs supernatural threats in order to not cheat or misbehave is not really the sort of person you can trust.

      October 27, 2013 at 1:05 am |
    • truthprevails1

      "we need to have a belief in God"

      You may require that but not everyone does. Given that not everyone believes in the same god, if they believe in a god at all, they should not be subjected to your version. These are publicly paid men and women in a Secular country, it is time that is respected.

      October 27, 2013 at 6:12 am |
      • captain america

        The word god refers to an idol. An idol is of no use to anyone sort of like you. Try minding your own business in your own country no one here needs ya. Theres your sign

        October 27, 2013 at 6:17 am |
        • truthprevails1

          Ah how cute, you're awake! Go ask the nurse for the meds, they'll put you back in slumber-land again and the world and all GOOD people will know peace.
          You accomplish nothing by spouting hate to people, outside of the fact that you prove you're an ass!

          October 27, 2013 at 6:24 am |
        • truthprevails1

          Ah how cute, you're awake! Go ask the nurse for the meds, they'll put you back in slumber-land again and the world and all GOOD people will know peace.
          You accomplish nothing by spouting hate to people, outside of the fact that you prove you're an ass!

          October 27, 2013 at 6:24 am |
      • truthprevails1

        Oh wow, are you capable of being polite?

        October 27, 2013 at 6:35 am |
      • HotAirAce

        Poor old xenophobic captain loser. Can't possibly answer a simple question so must bluster and deflect. A great example of why the USA may not be the greatest country in the world in the not too distant future.

        October 28, 2013 at 12:42 am |
    • sam stone.

      too bad that you need this crutch, connie

      October 27, 2013 at 6:29 am |
  7. Douglas

    In God we Trust...is an eternal truth that will never fade away.

    He is worthy to be praised.

    Let every knee bow...let every tongue confess.

    Redemption from sin waits at the foot of the cross!

    October 26, 2013 at 9:59 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      if you try, you will find you don't need a god to be a good person. have faith in your brothers and sisters and help them when you can. don't bother contemplating fairy tales.

      October 26, 2013 at 10:01 pm |
      • Kimberlee

        somewhere I ran across a quote attributed to Buddha which basically said, don't worry about theology. Focus on becoming the most compassionate, loving, and detached person you can be (or something along those lines.)

        My husband is Christian and has a similar discussion with some of this friends who are of different denominations. They want to argue about what the future holds and how Christ will return, and his position is, who knows how all that will exactly happen? What I need to do now is what Christ tells me: to love God and love my fellow man as best I can; to try to be with the sheep and not the goats.

        October 26, 2013 at 10:08 pm |
        • Bootyfunk

          aloha kimberly.

          unfortunately, according to jesus, buddha is burning in hell for not accepting Him as his lord and savior. not sure if he's the best example to bring up.. ghandi and john lennon are are also in hell, according to christian dogma.

          "My husband is Christian and has a similar discussion with some of this friends who are of different denominations. They want to argue about what the future holds and how Christ will return, and his position is, who knows how all that will exactly happen?"
          +++ have you considering jesus isn't coming back? that his story is just a story? a myth? a fable? have you considered that even if someone named jesus lived, he was not really the son of an all-powerful sky god, but just a man? which means he wouldn't be coming back. because when you die, you die. have you considered that you are wasting your time contemplating the return of jesus just as someone contemplating the return of Hercules is wasting his time?

          What I need to do now is what Christ tells me: to love God and love my fellow man as best I can; to try to be with the sheep and not the goats.
          +++ sheep don't think for themselves. sheep do what they are told. sheep follow the herd mindlessly. i don't think i want to hang out with sheep.

          kimberly, you seem like a nice person. you don't need god to be a good person. place your faith in humanity, not a book of fables.

          October 26, 2013 at 10:15 pm |
    • Kimberlee

      Douglas, I hope it never comes off!
      By the way, I was very happy to see when I moved to Florida last year one of the license plate options they offer is "In God We Trust."

      October 26, 2013 at 10:04 pm |
      • Tom, Tom, the Other One

        Fine if "No God" is an option as well.

        October 26, 2013 at 10:06 pm |
        • Kimberlee

          Tom, Tom, the Other One, hello!
          Florida has about 120 plate designs available. I looked down the list and didn't see a "In No God We Trust." The "In God We Trust" plate is only about at #50 out of 120 for sales for the last 4 years. As I understand the process, anyone who wants to propose a specialty plate has to get a pre-order for 1,000 plates in, and then the state will make it. Right now the top ten sellers are (in order): University of Florida, Florida State University, Helping Sea Turtles Survive, Protect Wild Dolphins, Protect the Panther, Save the Manatee, US Marine Corps, Protect Our Reefs, Miami Heat, and Save Our Reefs; so collegiate/sports, environmental, and military interests far outweigh religion in plate sales.

          October 26, 2013 at 10:27 pm |
        • Sara

          LOL, this is the state that revoked a guys ATHEIST plate as obscene and offensive,

          October 26, 2013 at 11:22 pm |
      • Bootyfunk

        don't you think it's wrong to promote the christian god through the gov't?
        do you think it's wrong to put god on money, the 'root of all evil'?

        October 26, 2013 at 10:08 pm |
        • Kimberlee

          Bootyfunk, hello again!
          Just curious why you call it the "Christian God"? I understand Christians are in the majority in the US, but even if you limit Him to the "descendents" of Abraham, that alone includes Jews, Christians, Muslims, and Baha'is. The Hindus have a few more, the Buddhists sort of avoids the issue, and traditional religions vary from one to many, but for about 80% of the US population and about 60% of the people in the world, God is the same for all...:)))

          October 26, 2013 at 10:39 pm |
        • Tom, Tom, the Other One

          It is an interesting thought that the God promoted in various ways by the Federal, State, and local governments of the United States might be a generic God that most believers won't believe in. Jews may not claim the God of the Trinity as theirs. Jews and Christians may not allow that Allah of Islam is the same as either of their respective Gods – etc.

          October 26, 2013 at 10:48 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers


          It is nice that you feel "In God we trust" refers to a generic, deistic all inclusive "god". But many christians in this country, some with an awful lot of power, feel it specifically refers to the CHristian god and only the Christian god and they use it to justify arguing this country is only really for Christians, they just "tolerate" the rest of us. Just today on this blog I had a person claim that the term "Creator" in the Declaration of Independence was actually specifically refering to Jesus. Just the fact that some people would like to use "In God we Trust" as validating their argument for a Christian theocracy should concern you enough to want to get rid of it as a national motto.

          October 26, 2013 at 11:11 pm |
    • sam stone.

      Spend a lot of time on your knees, Doogie?

      I hope that the other guys in your "youth group" enjoy your special oral talents

      Blessed to come in the name of the lord, eh?

      October 27, 2013 at 6:33 am |
      • Sean Lynch

        Good girl snake. U love oral stuff. Lots of time on your knees.

        How's that job? I c u r quite busy these days.

        Prepare for hll, my love. And prison. Your research into oral stimulation will come in handy

        October 27, 2013 at 7:23 am |
  8. Kimberlee

    bostontola, thanks! By the way, I replied earlier to your witty posting about imagination and not dealing with the real world, but it seems to have gone to "posting hades." Let me repost it here, albeit more concisely, if that is ok.

    In the Baha'i writings, we are told that God's greatest gift to mankind is the intellect, and that through our intellectual and scientific progress, we alone among the "animal" creation are able to use the laws of nature to overcome our physical limits... for example, we aren't born with wings but we can fly around the world; we aren't born with the greatest vision, but we can see into space.

    "... by this gift (intellect), he (mankind) can frequently, through his scientific knowledge, reach out with prophetic vision. Intellect is, in truth, the most precious gift bestowed upon man by the Divine Bounty. Man alone, among created beings, has
    this wonderful power." – Abdul-Baha, from talks given in Paris in 1912

    Unfortunately, mankind can imagine both good and bad uses of intellectual and scientific progress, but the intention is that we use it for the betterment of mankind, to promote peace and to uplift civilization. So, while imagination may take us into unreal places, sometimes our imagination leads to intellectual and scientific investigation, and to the ability to deal with many real-world problems. After all, where would we be without Tang, non-stick cooking pans, and cell phones?..:))))))

    Have a great day!

    October 26, 2013 at 9:45 pm |
    • bostontola

      I agree that our imagination is extraordinary in the animal world. My model has it being a key evolutionary advancement that allows humans to imagine the future. Once you can do that, you can execute plans to make your future happen. Unfortunately, there is no clear border to follow between reality and the imagined world. That is where conspiracy theories come from, and I believe, where god(s) come from. But to each her/his own. Have a great night.

      October 26, 2013 at 9:57 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      yes, look how imaginative humans are... they've imagined 1000s of gods, including the chrstian god. all kinds of stories of magic and make-believe. yes, the human imagination is astounding.

      October 26, 2013 at 10:03 pm |
    • Sara

      Let me know when the Baha'i start applying scientific methods to studying ho.mos.exuality and we can talk. Until then, sorry, just a bunch of hypocrites.

      October 26, 2013 at 11:11 pm |
  9. Kimberlee

    Sorry! the word "optional" is missing on line 3 of my post. Making the phrase optional is a good thing, is what I meant to say.

    October 26, 2013 at 8:58 pm |
  10. Kimberlee

    I worked for the Air Force for almost 30 years and appreciate the service of the military and civilian members in it. Honor codes are important in all areas of public service, but all the more so in the military where lives can be at stake. I think making the "so help me God" portion of the oath is a good thing, so that those who do not believe in God are not saying something that is not meaningful for them.

    As for the comments previously made about prayers for God's mercy for atheists, I'd like to humbly add my own. I am Baha'i, and we believe there is a God; but we also believe each person has their own spiritual search to go through, their own path to follow; and it is not our place to judge anyone's spiritual or religious beliefs.On the contrary, we must respect each person's "free will" to seek and investigate and believe as their conscience moves them, and to be able to dialog and discuss spiritual issues with mutual respect. God alone judges, and each soul has their own relationship with their "Maker", whatever they conceive that to be. I also believe that people who don't believe in God have the same opportunity as those of us who do have, that is, to lead lives of service, of seeking justice, of being gentle peacemakers, of trying to raise happy and healthy children who will be responsible citizens, of seeking to protect the natural world around us as good stewards, of being truthful and upright and honest; and of respecting and loving of our fellow man. I wish I could say that belief in God would guarantee this, but I have known atheists who were more compliant with God's will and commandments, than believers were. We are all human and have our own spiritual battles to fight. In my own personal beliefs, we will see the "truth" when we die. Those who have not believed in God after sincere seeking and thought but who have led exemplary lives in service and justice and mercy to their fellow man, will surely be able to sincerely ask for His mercy and should know only God's loving hand. Whereas those of us who claim to believe in Him, but who stubbornly choose not to obey His laws and teachings in the privacy of our innermost lives and our behavior to others, will face a very stern judgment.

    "Not every one who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." Matthew 7:21

    "For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother, and sister, and mother." (Mark 3:35)

    For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. (James 2:26)

    "Our Father will not hold us responsible for the rejection of dogmas which we are unable either to believe or comprehend,
    for He is ever infinitely just to His children." – Abdul-Baha, from talks given in Paris in 1912

    *for more info, see http://www.bahai.org

    October 26, 2013 at 8:56 pm |
    • bostontola

      Thank you for your service Kimberlee.

      October 26, 2013 at 9:06 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      i also thank you for your service.

      but you don't need a god to be a good person. the way we look at it, there is no such thing as god. if you are a good person, it is not because of a god that doesn't exist. humans, imo, are generally good - no deity necessary. help your brothers and sisters when you can.

      October 26, 2013 at 10:05 pm |
      • Sean Lynch

        Lol. True. Snake!

        October 27, 2013 at 7:20 am |
    • Crom

      Thanks for whatever help you give, but no thanks for the preaching. Looks to me like "B'hai" is just a christian sect. bah

      October 26, 2013 at 10:56 pm |
  11. Whale&Tuna

    God exists...and so do atheists.

    October 26, 2013 at 8:34 pm |
    • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

      Half right is better than completely wrong.

      October 26, 2013 at 8:36 pm |
    • bostontola

      Hallucinations exist in the person's mind.

      October 26, 2013 at 8:45 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      "so help me God" should be removed. no promotion of the christian god, or any deity, in gov't service. swear to the country, swear to the president, swear to freedom. if you want to promote god, do it on your own time. christians that are upset about the possible removal are upset that their religion isn't promoted above all others. it's not an attack on christianity - it's removing it's special status so no religious view is promoted.

      October 26, 2013 at 10:00 pm |
      • Hollybutt

        I guess it's time for you to move on from the previous topic, Booty.

        October 27, 2013 at 1:59 am |
    • Whale&Tuna

      Without God, atheists and theists alike don't make any sense.

      October 27, 2013 at 1:53 am |
      • Real Deal


        Without the ***idea*** of god... would be more like it.

        Without the idea of leprechauns, there would be no aleprechaunists (not a term that you hear often, but I'll bet you are one!)

        October 27, 2013 at 2:07 am |
  12. bostontola

    Religious people just have better imaginations than atheists. Their imagination is so good, it trumps the real world.

    October 26, 2013 at 8:02 pm |
    • Crom

      BS from a 10 year old. Who would have guessed?

      October 26, 2013 at 8:11 pm |
      • bostontola

        Ignore Crom, its just a fundie in atheist clothing. Nothing but ad hominem.

        October 26, 2013 at 8:20 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          Duly noted.

          October 26, 2013 at 8:21 pm |
        • Crom

          lol, the butthurt is strong with these two.

          October 26, 2013 at 10:58 pm |
    • I dream of genies

      Don't we though...well some of us.

      October 26, 2013 at 8:27 pm |
      • bostontola

        I dream of Jeanies.

        October 26, 2013 at 8:32 pm |
        • I dream of genies

          Each to his own 😀

          October 26, 2013 at 8:34 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          I dream of Barbara Eden.

          October 26, 2013 at 8:34 pm |
        • bostontola

          I'd have moved to Cocoa for her.

          October 26, 2013 at 8:39 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          Absotively. I dunno if I should even call myself an atheist anymore because I believe in a Goddess by the name of Jeannie.

          October 26, 2013 at 8:46 pm |
        • bostontola

          I'd worship at her alter.

          October 26, 2013 at 8:50 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          I'd rub her lamp.

          October 26, 2013 at 8:56 pm |
  13. truthprevails1

    In time. All things will be known and clear, soon. Prepare for his soon return. Don't go to meet him without the holy spirit. Dear god, have mercy on all unbelievers throughout the world

    October 26, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
    • Lamb of Dog

      Soon! You are so funny.

      October 26, 2013 at 7:07 pm |
    • Lamb of Dog

      "Dear go have mercy on all the non believers"
      If by mercy you mean eternal burning in hell. Then yeah he is full of mercy. You are so ridiculous.

      October 26, 2013 at 7:14 pm |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

        Don't feed the trolls.

        October 26, 2013 at 7:15 pm |
        • Crom

          ...said the troll feeding trolls. Hypocrite much?

          October 26, 2013 at 8:01 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that


          October 26, 2013 at 8:19 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          Or ;-), rather.

          October 26, 2013 at 8:20 pm |
        • Crom


          October 26, 2013 at 11:30 pm |
    • Akira


      October 26, 2013 at 7:16 pm |
    • 404 Error

      "Dear god, have mercy on all unbelievers throughout the world"

      Message undeliverable. Addressee, "Dear god" is not locatable. Please verify the existence of this addressee.

      October 26, 2013 at 7:17 pm |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

        Care of Imaginationland.

        October 26, 2013 at 7:19 pm |
    • Crom

      the name-stealer has no shame. TruthPrevails is a nice lady who lives in Canada. Stealing her name is just disgusting.

      October 26, 2013 at 7:26 pm |
      • Observer

        The name-stealer claims they are a "Christian". That's probably another lie.

        October 26, 2013 at 7:28 pm |
        • Observer

          You cannot steal an alias its a disguise to begin with.

          October 26, 2013 at 8:07 pm |
        • Shut up, Jeffy; you've overstayed your welcome

          Is that how you rationalize you continues name stealing and bearing false witness? You're a liar and a thief. You aren't displaying decent Christian qualities. Hypocritical little dumkoff.

          October 26, 2013 at 8:49 pm |
      • Observer

        Defining a commie muck raking busy body as a "nice" lady is a bit of a stretch.

        October 26, 2013 at 8:06 pm |
        • Shut up, Jeffy; you've overstayed your welcome

          Says the name stealing lying piece of shit troll. Go off yourself.

          October 26, 2013 at 8:38 pm |
        • truthprevails1

          Fake Observer using the same hate tactics as captain america. Isn't having multiple personalities the sign of schizophrenia? Get help you delusional little troll!

          October 27, 2013 at 4:07 am |
        • truthprevails1

          Only 56% believe in that god and we don't all use those words....I never say them and I don't know many who do. We support LGBT marriage across the board and we allow abortions up to 12 weeks, unless there are extenuating circumstances...do you think your imaginary friend (aka god) would approve of those things?

          October 27, 2013 at 7:31 am |
      • Crom

        Well, she does have a few nasty words that appear in her posts, so I'm not saying she's the epitome of nice, I'm saying she appears to be nicer than me – enough so that I think she deserves the label. This is all subjective, you see.

        October 26, 2013 at 11:03 pm |
        • AtheistSteve

          Yes that's true Crom. I try to get my wife to temper her abusive language in favor of more diplomatic discourse. After all you get more traction with reasoned arguments while making opposing attacks look even more foolish.
          That said some trolls just beg to be smacked down and deserve whatever is thrown at 'em.

          October 27, 2013 at 4:45 am |
        • truthprevails1

          Crom: I agree I could be more diplomatic. When it comes to personal attacks (such as those based on the country where I reside) it becomes increasingly difficult to bite the tongue.

          October 27, 2013 at 5:16 am |
        • Crom

          Well, you've seen how I roll, so no need to go into all that. I always wondered why the Air Force needed such a huge cathedral, but it looked cool enough I just shrugged as a believer. Now I would tear that place down in a second.

          October 27, 2013 at 6:29 am |
      • truthprevails1

        Thank you Crom. The name stealer is an ass and makes for some cheap humor. I do wonder what cheap thrill the basement dwelling troll gets out of acting like this though.

        October 27, 2013 at 4:25 am |
        • midwest rail

          Admittedly, faith/hharri is the worst offender and deserves whatever ridicule is aimed in her/his direction. Interesting, though, that another admitted name stealer gets a pass for essentially the same behavior.

          October 27, 2013 at 5:36 am |
        • truthprevails1

          No, you are wrong...you do not speak for all American's, you only speak for yourself and the amount of hatred you show does not do you any benefit and it is very much Un-American.

          October 27, 2013 at 6:34 am |
        • truthprevails1

          I'm not instructing the US on anything. I don't pretend to be American (too bad you can't say the same).
          I really suggest that instead of whining about your neighbors to the North on here where it only makes you look like the ass we know you to be, you take your temper tantrum up with Ted Turner. Otherwise, either stop the hissy fit or find a blog that blocks Canadian's from posting.

          October 27, 2013 at 6:47 am |
        • truthprevails1

          I have NEVER pretended to be American! I don't speak as if I'm American but it is hard not to pay attention to what is happening to my good neighbors when it is all over the news. Your interpretation is seriously flawed.
          Do you have anything of substance to add or do you get cheap thrills out of acting like this? Once again if you don't like Canadian's (myself, HotAirAce, AtheistSteve, Doc Vestibule) commenting, I suggest you take it up with Ted Turner and convince him to block us, otherwise stop the hate and grow up. A lot of what affects your country affects our country also and you'd know that if you left the barnyard and went in to the real world to get an education!

          October 27, 2013 at 7:00 am |
        • truthprevails1

          No hate? Your definition of hate is very skewed then. Commie??? Do explain this trash??? 3rd World?? Once again, explain???
          I honestly think you're some troll living in the crawl space of his Mommy's trailer, have never known what it is to be loved and so you use the internet as a way to act like an ass and get some satisfaction in this world.
          I honestly don't see your point in repetitively attacking people in another country based on, as you previously whined about-the WAR of 1812 (that's absurdity at its best).
          If you don't like us voicing our opinion on this international website, I once again suggest you contact Ted Turner.

          October 27, 2013 at 7:27 am |
        • Crom

          @midwest rail
          I do hope you aren't one of the previous users of the "Crom" name. I can always give it up if you'd like to use it. It's just a name.

          October 27, 2013 at 7:29 am |
        • Crom

          After reading so many of your stalker's posts over the years, I have noticed that this dipwad is stalking you and the other Canadians that post here...so you are just wasting your time even talking to him / her. This is not a rational or sane person.
          And the intelligence level and reaction patterns suggest someone with some severe problems.
          So don't hate 'em too much, as they are sick and would attack anyone from Canada, not just you.
          Something messed them up and Canada is plastered on their eyeballs. They don't care about America and don't even capitalize the word, a giveaway of sorts. A sign, as it were. lol

          October 27, 2013 at 7:37 am |
        • truthprevails1

          I know. It just boggles me and I have to hope that eventually something stated will click with this person and they'll finally stop...maybe I'm setting my hopes too high.

          October 27, 2013 at 7:42 am |
        • truthprevails1

          I have to be thankful that you are not representative of most American's. You should maybe go through some of Crom's comments and learn a thing or two on how to treat people.

          October 27, 2013 at 7:49 am |
        • Crom

          Gee, ya think? That's what I keep trying to tell you. This is a confirmed insane person. You are wasting your time and just making it worse. This one is hopelessly insane and very angry at Canada, yet can barely argue or do anything but follow you around like a rabid dog. Quit showing that you are from Canada, use new names, and completely ignore any post by them.
          Come back later. Don't be yourselves. This nutbar does this in other places when they are not here. Without food they will go looking for more. Don't give it to them.

          October 27, 2013 at 7:51 am |
        • truthprevails1


          October 27, 2013 at 7:54 am |
        • HotAirAce

          Yup, LBJ was a real tough guy. . . Too bad he had to visit Canada twice after his hissy fit to suck up to Pearson when the USA wanted to buy Canadian resources. And please remind us how Vietnam turned out.

          October 28, 2013 at 12:53 am |
    • sam stone.

      why wait, truthprevails1? meet jeebus halfway. do you have tall buildings where you live?

      October 27, 2013 at 6:36 am |
  14. Apple Bush

    Worship god or worship the devil. There ain't no neutral ground. Either you got faith or you got unbelief

    October 26, 2013 at 6:45 pm |
    • Topher

      Well, it may be the devil or it may be the LORD but you're gonna have to serve somebody.

      October 26, 2013 at 6:57 pm |
      • sam stone.

        old lady judges watch people in pairs

        and, limited in s-e-x they dare

        to push fake morals, insult and stare

        while money doesn't talk, it swears

        obscenity who really cares

        propaganda all is phony


        October 26, 2013 at 7:06 pm |
      • Lamb of Dog

        "You are going to have to serve somebody."
        Another hilarious statement.

        October 26, 2013 at 7:09 pm |
        • Crom

          It's like they think everyone MUST worship something – as if they thought we all have a 'worship mechanism' that cannot ever stop looking for something to worship – and so we get these religitards who assume that all atheists worship themselves.
          They are brainwashed to believe this. Topher obviously is one of them.

          October 26, 2013 at 7:19 pm |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

        Gotta nuke somethin'.


        October 26, 2013 at 7:12 pm |
        • Crom

          Thanks for the reminder! It's time for me to eat some fud.

          October 26, 2013 at 7:20 pm |
      • Topher

        Forget to attribute the quote to Dylan.

        October 26, 2013 at 7:16 pm |
      • Michael James

        And you can say then,"That", is the truth !!!

        October 26, 2013 at 8:09 pm |
    • Roger that

      Worshipping either one is bad, but I will say God makes the devil look like a sleeping toddler dreaming about puppies. Fortunately there is no evidence for the existence of either.

      October 26, 2013 at 7:03 pm |
  15. Doris

    Well looks like YouTube is going thru a rough patch with all involved parties, and this 'how-to' video is not available, but you can get the idea from the opening graphic.

    It's the Manson jack-o-lantern!


    You can easily make it a Jesus jack-o-lantern just by following the same pattern, but instead, making the "X" over the forehead a cross!

    October 26, 2013 at 6:23 pm |
  16. Atheism is the natural state of children and every living thing

    Don't mumble to your invisible friend. Talk to real people. Change things.

    October 26, 2013 at 6:10 pm |
    • Observer

      All children are born with an inner knowledge of God having come from Gods Throne. In life we are given the opportunity to choose God in love and return to God for the amazing eternity God has prepared . Only the very foolish reject God.

      October 26, 2013 at 6:47 pm |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that


        October 26, 2013 at 7:08 pm |
      • Lamb of Dog

        Ok crazy. I think if we didn't indoctrinate our children with the silly belief in a sky fairy then he would cease to exist. Not that he really exists anywhere other than in imaginations.

        October 26, 2013 at 7:11 pm |
      • Crom

        Observer(fake) – that is total and utter rubbish. Enjoy licking the shoes of your pastor, you sicko.

        October 26, 2013 at 7:22 pm |
        • Yikes

          I must be extra bored tonight because that kind of sounds fun.

          October 26, 2013 at 7:25 pm |
        • otoh

          Crom, you think he/she would ever listen to a pastor? Nah, he/she thinks that he/she knows much, much more than those "bozos"...

          October 26, 2013 at 7:26 pm |
        • Crom

          Yikes, you must indeed be very bored. And on a Saturday night, too!
          I recommend finding something better than waiting to reply to trolls, as this can be frustratingly slow here in this blog.
          HuffPost has thousands of people posting all over the place. No waiting and no name-stealing and no massive deletions of comments. CNN is an old swamp. I only come here in between other things, like posting on HuffPost or watching tv.
          Try a videogame. Get some nugs. Go find a Halloween party. Change the litter in your cat's litterbox. Go.

          October 26, 2013 at 7:34 pm |
        • Yikes

          Thanks Crom. My partner left town for the weekend. I'd kill for a Halloween party. But I'll try Huff post. If nothing is on TV.

          October 26, 2013 at 7:43 pm |
      • Akira

        Name stealing hypocrite.

        October 26, 2013 at 7:30 pm |
      • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

        My obeisance Fake Observer, you truly are a master of your trade.

        October 26, 2013 at 7:32 pm |
      • Michael James

        And you can say,"That", is the Truth !!!

        October 26, 2013 at 8:11 pm |
  17. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    October 26, 2013 at 5:45 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      Cigarettes change things.

      October 26, 2013 at 5:48 pm |
      • truthprevails1

        LL will tell you that weed changes things.

        October 26, 2013 at 6:05 pm |
        • Akira

          LL is certainly...passionate about his love for all things maryjane.

          October 26, 2013 at 6:08 pm |
        • truthprevails1

          That he is and maybe on this topic he has a point.

          October 26, 2013 at 6:19 pm |
        • Crom

          Cannabis is non-toxic, has actual medical uses, isn't addictive except psychologically (no physical withdrawal symptoms), no nasty after-effects, and yet remains a Schedule 1 drug right next to heroin.
          Some people don't like the euphoria, or the smell, or how it can make them feel tense or bewildered, and so should avoid it.
          LL has many problems. Cannabis likely helps calm him down and stabilize his mood swings as well as distract him from obsessive thinking patterns.
          Non-toxic. But there have been reports that the vasco-dilation effects may have caused a few strokes. I think this is possible, as anything that messes with blood-flow will have the potential for negative results in people with circulatory problems or with drug interactions. Those who oppose research are the same ones that refuse all discussion in favor of imprisoning as many blacks and latinos as possible. That's why they want it to remain illegal. They don't care how safe or non-toxic it is.
          I've been advocating for decriminalization since the 70s. It is good to finally see progress of a sort.

          October 26, 2013 at 7:09 pm |
        • Akira

          I agree, Crom. They should have done it years ago.

          October 26, 2013 at 8:03 pm |
        • I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that

          They should just legalize all drugs. Who are the government to tell people not to shove coke up their nose or heroin in their veins?

          October 26, 2013 at 8:05 pm |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          I'm Sorry That You're Dave is correct. Also, there'd be no incentive for the criminal element in the drug trade. In some neighborhoods we basically teach young children to shun education in favor a quick cash drug running/selling. Why work a job and go to college nights and rack up huge financial aid debt when you can sell cr@ck or meth or pills and get a few grand a day?

          And of course, all that keeps the law enforcement in business and the poor and uneducated, well, just that.

          October 26, 2013 at 10:42 pm |
        • truthprevails1

          Crom: LL is 58, hasn't smoked weed since he was 16 for fear of being caught. (he stated this awhile ago when he initially started posting the video's; now being the good christian he attempts to be he will not break the law) Maybe if LL crossed that line he'd think clearer, read his bible with a more open-mind and join the rest of us in reality. Outside of his absurd belief in his god and his weird way of writing, I'm thinking he is probably relatively normal.

          October 27, 2013 at 4:20 am |
        • Real Deal

          " Outside of his absurd belief in his god and his weird way of writing, I'm thinking he is probably relatively normal."

          He has said quite a few times that he is pretty severely disabled with mental illnesses. While that is not a rare condition, it is not considered normal. Sometimes he is more lucid than at other times. He does deserve compassion and understanding, though.

          And yes, marijuana should be legalized.

          October 27, 2013 at 4:46 am |
        • truthprevails1

          I've never seen him state that, however I'm sure weed would ease his troubled mind a little, at least more than the big pharma meds do.

          October 27, 2013 at 4:52 am |
        • Real Deal


          Well, here's one instance where he talked about it recently:
          September 18, 2013 at 8:39 pm

          It's interesting that he doesn't go off into his weird word discourses when discussing this subject.

          October 27, 2013 at 5:02 am |
        • sam stone.

          except that LL is too much of a coward to consume any

          October 27, 2013 at 6:37 am |
        • truthprevails1

          Paranoid of getting caught. To a point he can't be faulted for that based on how extreme the consequences tend to be but he needs to lighten up. Maybe by the time he reaches 60, he'll feel safe enough to consume.

          October 27, 2013 at 6:42 am |
        • Crom

          Alrighty then. I thought he had said otherwise but that must have been someone else.
          With that said, I certainly would suggest to him that he try it in tiny doses to see if it makes him feel any better.
          One of the problems with cannabis is dosages.
          It is leafy vegetable matter, not a uniform chemical compound unless processed by experts.
          If you are trying for a particular level of effect, it is entirely hit or miss.
          If medical cannabis is not available where he lives, then he will have to wait for the inevitable.

          October 27, 2013 at 6:39 am |
        • truthprevails1

          I think it definitely needs to be regulated, much like they do alcohol and tobacco. The studies do show that until the age of 25 there is risk of it affecting the under-developed brain, so maybe age restrictions should apply, although as with anything else it won't necessarily stop one from purchasing.
          I will always support the legalization of it, I believe the evidence for the benefits outweigh the negative we hear. Hopefully we will see full legalization in the near future.

          October 27, 2013 at 6:54 am |
        • truthprevails1

          Wow, once again with the hate! You're right that I have no say in your laws but your laws affect people I care about and the equal treatment of said people. I am well entitled to speak my opinion on a topic that is not only pertinent to your country but to all others. Once again I suggest you take your temper tantrum up with Ted Turner or find a website that blocks Canadian's.

          October 27, 2013 at 7:22 am |
    • Observer

      (Gen. 7:21) “And all flesh died that moved on the earth, birds, domestic animals, wild animals, all swarming creatures that swarm on the earth, and ALL HUMAN BEINGS”

      When God was done: EVERY child, baby and fetus on the face of the earth was DEAD.

      Millions of animals and plants: DEAD.

      October 26, 2013 at 6:09 pm |
      • Observer

        Of course I made up numbers and have taken great liberties with the actual events. How many did I fool?

        October 26, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
        • Observer

          Fake Observer,

          Thanks for proving once again that there are Christians who LIE and have no morals, honesty or integrity.

          Keep up embarassing Christians everyone. You notice there aren't any that support your LYING by using other people's names.

          God hates LIARS. Have fun explaining that to him. lol. lol. lol. lol. lol.

          October 26, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
        • Observer

          Ooops my bad there is now therefore no condemnation in Christ Jesus. Sorry for the unfounded accusation.

          October 26, 2013 at 6:49 pm |
  18. Neo Agnostic

    A Church in my neighborhood is having a "Holy House" instead of a "Haunted house" for Halloween. So I plan on spending tonight and tomorrow standing outside in a Devils Outfit holding a pitchfork yelling at people. Fun times ahead.

    October 26, 2013 at 5:35 pm |
    • Akira

      Will it be made of latex? Watch out for chafing. Or, you can dress like Jon Lovitz used to on SNL. Don't forget to post a pic.
      Good times.

      October 26, 2013 at 5:41 pm |
    • Michael James


      October 26, 2013 at 8:15 pm |
  19. Apple Bush

    I hope god lets his kids hear the screams of the damned in hell.

    October 26, 2013 at 5:28 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      Fake Apple Bush, you are not doing it properly.

      October 26, 2013 at 5:44 pm |
  20. Apple Bush

    You will try to take it away from me;
    You will change the way it feels and smells;

    You will change its size to confuse me;
    You will change its color.

    I will keep it.
    I will not be deceived or cheated.
    I will not lose my sense and be a victim.

    October 26, 2013 at 5:24 pm |
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