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Where was God in the Philippines?
A flood survivor is surrounded by debris on the Philippine island of Leyte.
November 11th, 2013
11:16 AM ET

Where was God in the Philippines?

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-editor

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(CNN) - The disasters are always different and often devastating. But the questions they raise are hauntingly familiar.

In the days since Super Typhoon Haiyan swept through the Philippines on Thursday, survivors are frantically searching for lost family members and international aid groups are springing into action.

Officials say the death toll may rise to 10,000 in the heavily Catholic country. Meanwhile, many people are asking: How should we make sense of such senseless death and destruction? Was God in the whirlwind itself, as the Bible hints, or present only in the aftermath, as people mobilize to provide food, water and shelter?

These questions may not be new, but we keep asking them, perhaps because the answers remain so elusive.

For many Americans, a paradox sits at the heart of their thinking about natural disasters. According to a survey taken after 2011's earthquake and tsunami in Japan, most Americans (56%) believe that God is control of everything.

But more Americans blame hurricanes, earthquakes and other storms on global warming (58%) than on an angry and punishing deity (38%), according to a 2011 poll by the Public Religion Research Institute.

“These kind of questions about God being in control and there simultaneously being suffering are the kind of things that keep seminarians up at night," institute CEO Robert P. Jones said in 2011.

"They’re thorny theological issues."

READ: Typhoon Haiyan: Survivors in Philippines face grim struggle as death toll rises

The Bible's Psalm 107 says that “For (God) commands, and raises the stormy wind, which lifts up the waves thereof. ... He turns rivers into a wilderness, and the water springs into dry ground."

But, as the poll shows, most Americans have moved past the idea that God causes natural disasters, wrote Stephen Prothero, a frequent CNN contributor, in a 2011 column.

"When it comes to earthquakes and hurricanes, our authorities are geologists and meteorologists," Prothero said as he rode out Hurricane Irene on Cape Cod in Massachusetts. "Most of us interpret these events not through the rumblings of the biblical prophet Jeremiah or the poetry of the Book of Revelation but through the scientific truths of air pressure and tectonic plates."

For atheists, storms like Haiyan are proof that God doesn't exist, author and activist Sam Harris said.

"Either God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like this, or he doesn’t care to, or he doesn’t exist. God is either impotent, evil or imaginary," Harris said after Japan's tsunami. "Take your pick, and choose wisely."

God may or may not be in withering storms, but many religious leaders say they sense a divine presence in the aftermath, as people across the world mobilize to lend a hand.

Rabbi Harold Kushner is one of the most famous names in the realm of theodicy, a branch of theology that tries to explain the unexplainable: why a good God would allow bad things to happen.

After Japan's tsunami, Kushner called nature "an equal-opportunity destroyer," making no distinctions between sinners and saints.

But Kushner, author of the bestselling book "When Bad Things Happen to Good People," said he sees God's hand in the resilience of people whose lives have been destroyed and in the "goodness and generosity" of strangers who donate and pray for the survivors.

READ: How to help victims of Typhoon Haiyan 

That still leaves a tricky question, though: Why do humans suffer, sometimes terribly, in the first place?

There's no good answer, says the Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit priest and best-selling author.

"Each person has to come to grips with that," Martin said. "It’s not as if some magic answer can be found. But the idea of God suffering along with us can be very helpful."

Muslims, on the other hand, see stormy trials as tests from God, said Sayyid Syeed, national director of the Islamic Society of North America’s Office of Interfaith and Community Alliances.

"Muslims believe that God tests those he loves, and these tragedies also serve as a reminder to the rest of us to remain grateful to God for all our blessings and cognizant that we must support those in need," Syeed said.

Vietnamese Buddhist master Thich Nhat Hanh, whose native country remains in Haiyan's path, said such storms remind us that our lives are impermanent and the importance of treasuring each moment.

"This is the best that we can do for those who have died: We can live in such a way that they can feel they are continuing to live in us, more mindfully, more profoundly, more beautifully, tasting every minute of life available to us, for them," Hanh said.

Stephen Prothero, Jessica Ravitz and Eric Marrapodi contributed to this report.

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Asia • Atheism • Belief • Bible • Buddhism • Christianity • Death • Ethics • Faith • God • Islam • Judaism • natural disasters • Philippines • Prayer

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  1. DRJJ

    Macro evolution is a false religion! Science requires an empirical and measurable approach to evidence or it's not science! Believing one species evolved into another(macro evolution) based on blind faith is a religion and it's taught to our kids as gospel! Please show us ONE example today of any species evolving into another-there are none! Micro evolution sure-macro NOPE! It requires blind faith in missing links based on assumptions not seen or measurable! Biggest hoax in history! Call it the evolution faith movement and it has ruined our morals! When we're taught we're all animals, we act like animals-turn on the news!

    Re: where was God! You can bet he'll show up in the form of many missionaries for the next year! Man is not good, we are all sinners and there is evil and disasters in the world I'm sorry to say-turn on the news! God is good, the devil is not and he is to blame! In God we should trust, see Bible for details! Thanks

    November 11, 2013 at 4:45 pm |
    • Joey

      If we are not animals then we must be what plants? Fungi? I don't think all Christians are stupid, but the ones who deny evolution certainly are?

      November 11, 2013 at 4:50 pm |
    • derp

      Denial of macro evolution is for morons who do not understand molecular biology.

      November 11, 2013 at 4:56 pm |
    • ME II

      @DRJJ,
      There is no difference between what you call microevolution and macroevolution other than time and the number of small changes accu.mulated.

      November 11, 2013 at 5:03 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      'Believing one species evolved into another(macro evolution) based on blind faith is a religion'
      Good job they dont make the claim based on blind faith then isnt it?

      'Please show us ONE example today of any species evolving into another-there are none! '
      er, all species are technically evolving. Your demand only makes sense if you think we can predict future species as a result of evolution.

      'When we're taught we're all animals, we act like animals-turn on the news!'
      Well we are all animals, we are primates. You wont be able to change that fact.

      November 11, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
  2. Dyslexic doG

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxXtiIMLIRI

    November 11, 2013 at 4:43 pm |
    • Hope this helps

      3:42 It is mythic story telling.



      FACT: Mythology is its own literary style the Gospels are not that



      Inasmuch as many have undertaken to compile a narrative of the things that have been accomplished among us, just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word have delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having followed all things closely for some time past, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, that you may have certainty concerning the things you have been taught. (Luke 1:14, ESV)



      You don't mention people by name, who were still alive, if you are going to write about them



      And they compelled a passerby, Simon of Cyrene, who was coming in from the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to carry his cross. And they brought him to the place called Golgotha (which means Place of a Skull). (Mark 15:2122, ESV)



      You don't mention people by name, who were still alive, if you are going to write about them



      You don't beg your readers to verify your stories if they are mythology.



      For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. (1 Corinthians 15:38, ESV)





      3:51 Archeology proves the bible fiction.



      FACT: The discovery of Solomon's pools, once thought to be fiction, is now accepted by all as a factual place.

      Way not to give an example in the video



      4:20 So the proof the bible is not historical is because an accredited person says it is. Bravo *slow clap*



      4:54 Again invalid literary style, it does not say once upon a time, way to make stuff up to validate your invalid point.



      5:15 Invalid comprehension. Gen 1 is the creation order, Gen 2 is the focus on what is considered to be the greater of creation



      Example:

      I went to work

      I came home

      We went to an awesome restaurant



      Next day at work

      'Hey let me tell you about this awesome restaurant I went to'

      No contradiction between the events and the focus of my story.



      6:11 Finally the first fact, yes the bible is comprised of different literary style. If Reader's digest has in it a article from the scientific journal and a poem from Maya Angelo, don't think that birds actually talk because it happens to be in the same book as the scientific journal. That is just plain lazy.



      6:30 Two different accounts doesn't mean both shouldn't be taken literary, see the example above. Both are a literal account. Focus is different.



      6:59 There are people that dont believe there is a God even though we live in a highly designed world.

      As the video states, there were conflicting stories. That means you work through the conflict you dont just give up and say ELVIS NEVER EXISTED AND I HATE HIM. As many like to do with God. The good thing is, to date, we have yet to get a story that conflicts or even contradicts the Gospels of Jesus.



      7:15 Great point, we value the eyewitnesses from the morgue of Elvis actually being dead and we discount the people who are not eyewitnesses.

      Why then not the Gospels and the letters from the Apostles? Why do we like Crossan 2000 years removed from the event rather than the eyewitness accounts? Because it makes us feel better about ourselves regardless of what the facts really are.



      8:00 Great point why try and reinterpret the gospel events 2000 years removed. If you wouldnt do it for Elvis why do it for the Gospels?



      8:40 Not all ten billion species, correct. More around 35,000



      8:50 Classic blog deflection, lets set up a ridiculous unfactual situation and then call it ridiculous to not make the original claimant look ridiculous.

      November 13, 2013 at 1:28 pm |
  3. Apple Bush

    Wouldn’t it be a miracle if one day, perhaps in my lifetime, humans turned their back on the past and became the one incarnation of the species Homo Sapiens to accept that there is no god and pour their intelligence and resources into the discovery of reality. If a miracle liked that happened I would thank…...oh shit.

    November 11, 2013 at 4:43 pm |
    • Icabus

      the knowlege of GOD is the beginning of wisdom

      November 11, 2013 at 4:45 pm |
      • Apple Bush

        The knowledge of wisdom is the beginning of God.

        November 11, 2013 at 4:46 pm |
        • Alias

          knowledge and wisdom are the doorway to the truth.

          November 11, 2013 at 5:04 pm |
    • Charm Quark

      AB
      How about Carl Sagan, "We are all star stuff." A bit of a Prima donna but so are all the gods in their myths.

      November 11, 2013 at 4:50 pm |
      • Apple Bush

        Gotta love Carl and his turn of phrase. RIP

        November 11, 2013 at 4:52 pm |
        • Charm Quark

          AB
          I have a Deist belief that is purely scientific. My god would be an infinite birth and rebirth of matter and anti matter annihilating each other into pure energy then reforming into matter anti matter. Much the same as stars are born live/exist then eventually die, become another form, evolution perhaps. Not stuff that could be put in the Helid, just things I think about.

          November 11, 2013 at 5:06 pm |
    • rolraik

      Apple, that was an awesome post.

      November 11, 2013 at 4:50 pm |
      • Apple Bush

        wutz up rolraik?

        November 11, 2013 at 4:56 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      I think I have something that's stuck in my tooth.

      November 11, 2013 at 5:08 pm |
    • Apple Bush

      I think I have something that's stuck in my tooth!

      November 11, 2013 at 5:09 pm |
  4. wth

    "Either God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like this, or he doesn’t care to, or he doesn’t exist. God is either impotent, evil or imaginary,"

    that pretty much sums it up. a benevolent, all-powerful god wouldn't let all those children die before they even get a chance at life.

    November 11, 2013 at 4:41 pm |
  5. No one

    When disaster strikes do not point at god and blame him, but when people intervene and help in the best way they can, thank god instead of those people.
    If you choose to devalue the work the people around you do so be it, but do not try to quash their work in the political realm, the tax freedom for religions and defunding of actual research has real consequences, rich pedophiles hiding in a different branch of their cults and being blindsided by natural events.

    November 11, 2013 at 4:39 pm |
  6. Geraard Spergen

    Headline: USA Fundies desparately seek something evil in the Phillipines to claim God is punishing them for.

    November 11, 2013 at 4:38 pm |
  7. lol??

    Lazarus didn't evolve out of the grave.

    November 11, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
    • Murray

      Lazrus is the original zombie.

      November 11, 2013 at 4:43 pm |
      • Alias

        Lazrus was not dead.
        It still happens today, no miracle necessary, just a weak pulse.

        November 11, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
        • cedar rapids

          thats assuming the story is actually based on reality in the first place.

          November 11, 2013 at 5:13 pm |
        • Icabus

          for three days?

          November 12, 2013 at 1:01 pm |
  8. Mark

    If you believe in God, trying to figure out why natural disasters happen or why good people die is trying to understand the mind of God, which you should believe is not something for us to know. He kicked us out of Paradise and gave us this world to live in, with its imperfections.

    November 11, 2013 at 4:35 pm |
    • cptdondo

      And he kicked us out because he's kind and loving, right? Oh wait – he kicked us out because of sin. But since God created Adam and Eve in his image, that means that sin must be in God as well – so God is a sinner like the rest of us, and pretty petty and vicious too.

      Or... He created Adam and Eve perfectly with the capacity to sin, so God set the whole original sin in motion, for his own amusement, I guess.

      Or... He created Adam and Eve imperfectly because he just screwed up, so God is not the perfect being you claim he is.

      Or maybe you just made God up because you need an imaginary figure in your head to tell you what to do....

      November 11, 2013 at 6:52 pm |
  9. Gods are Real

    OK which GOD are we talking about here? there are over 2000+ gods that have NOT, I REPEAT! NOT! been proven false till this day!!

    but I myself blindly believe in one god!! even thought is no evidence of his being on this planet and that GOD is one an only LORD JESUS CHRIST!!

    November 11, 2013 at 4:32 pm |
    • Murray

      Yawn.

      November 11, 2013 at 4:46 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Forget 2000...that's just a small sample of gods proposed by mankind. There are an infinite number of conceivable gods that can not be proven false. That's because you can't falsify an unknown. So odds are you haven't chosen correctly.

      November 11, 2013 at 4:50 pm |
    • greenaxe

      I will admit I am an Athiest....but I am fully aware of the ten commandments which I live by on my own accord not because I'm paying into a church that tells me this is the right thing to do. I also went to catholic school for 8 years....which is why I'm an athiest. Why then am I a bad person?

      November 11, 2013 at 4:51 pm |
      • AtheistSteve

        Really? All ten? The first 4 are all about worship of God. Most of the rest don't even qualify as laws. As an atheist you should be rejecting those ridiculous edicts in favor of humanistic values which are based on common sense and goodwill.

        November 11, 2013 at 4:56 pm |
      • Luposian

        The Law (even the 10 Commandments) are there, not to live by "as best we can", but to be an absolute marker for perfect righteousness. If you've told one lie, you are a liar. If you've stolen one item, you are a thief. At the time of telling the lie, you KNEW it was a lie. At the time you stole that one item, you KNEW it was wrong. Therefore, you broke two of the 10 Commandments... once they've been broken, you've lost your chance to "try again". You failed. Just like Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. God never gave them a chance to "do over". You fail once... you fail, period.

        That's why we have Jesus. He gives us the opportunity to "do over", by being born again. Except, once we've been born again, the Holy Spirit seals us unto the day of Redemption and God only looks at us, through Jesus. We still fail, even daily, but His blood covers us, because we have accepted God's Son. And if you accept His Son, that's good enough for God. In fact, it's the ONLY acceptable choice.

        God never sends ANYONE to hell. It's simply a default condition of our nature. You walk the road you're born on, that road leads to hell. You walk the Road (narrow as it may be) that God gave us (hence being born-again), that road leads to heaven and a wonderful eternity!

        The only way to "do over" with God, is to be "born over" (born-again). No other way. Good person or not... you're eternally damaged goods til you accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. Then you're restored and preserved forever.

        I believe the genuinely saved person will no longer WANT to do what THEY want to do, but continually want to do what God wants them to do. I have only my own life to refer to. And, though you may flub up here and there... you will always strive toward greater and greater perfection... doing whatever you must, to attain greater righteousness. Not because you MUST (ie. works), but because you WANT to... you won't be able to help yourself!

        November 11, 2013 at 5:16 pm |
        • Joey

          That is a boat load of crazy right there.

          November 11, 2013 at 5:20 pm |
  10. Tom, Tom, the Other One

    Perhaps a prayer from someone with the faith of a mustard seed will turn away a natural disaster like this one. That would suggest that such faith is much more rare than natural disasters. Also, why is it that natural disasters always seem so...well, natural? One might get the feeling that God has nothing to do with them. Surely God wouldn't want that?

    November 11, 2013 at 4:24 pm |
    • Russ

      @ TTTOO:
      what greater 'natural' disaster is there than death itself? the cross & resurrection pretty directly address that.

      if the parable of the mustard seed is about individual hurricanes & tragedies, then you have a point. but if Jesus came to stop the ultimate hurricane...

      therein lies the rub. is the parable saying "the tiniest but rarest faith can stop terrible tragedies" or that even losers like me ('ye of little faith') can be saved from the ultimate hurricane – death itself? the former is "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" theology which runs directly contrary to Jesus' primary message. in light of that, pretty hard not to read it as the latter (it's not what I do that saves me, but what he already did) – not to mention the hope it brings in the face of all manner of tragedies.

      November 11, 2013 at 4:41 pm |
      • Tom, Tom, the Other One

        Death certainly seems natural – a seemingly inevitable consequence of our biology. Even if we were designed, then we were certainly designed for death. Why is there nothing about us that looks like it could be eternal? Again, why do natural disasters, including death, look so natural?

        November 11, 2013 at 4:49 pm |
  11. Mobius Strip

    "Either God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like this, or he doesn’t care to, or he doesn’t exist. God is either impotent, evil or imaginary."

    God is evil only if we assume that death and suffering are necessarily evil things. From most of humankind's perspective (mine included), this seems to be the case, which is why we try to prevent death and suffering. And I would think that the sort of god referred to in this article would expect us to think and act this way. However, it would be unwise to suppose that a deity's perspective on these matters should directly correlate with out own, particularly when looking at life with an eternal perspective.

    November 11, 2013 at 4:24 pm |
  12. dennis

    GOD/JESUS IS IN THE SAME PLACE HE ALWAYS IS
    ON HIS THRONE
    People who have a relationship with the LORD GOD, never have to ask this question.
    Its always folks who believe in everything but the LORD, that throw this question around
    Its always people who question the validity of the BIBLE

    ALL IT TAKES IS TO READ AND GET SOME UNDERSTANDING
    THE QUESTION IS WHY DO THESE THINGS HAPPEN??

    THE ANSWER IS SIN THAT BROUGHT A CURSE ON THE EARTH
    This curse will be removed, and the earth will be cleansed.

    Romans 8:22 KJV
    For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

    November 11, 2013 at 4:16 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      You might read meteorology to learn why these things happen, dennis.

      November 11, 2013 at 4:25 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL .... good one ... thanks! Hilarious!

      November 11, 2013 at 4:26 pm |
    • truthprevails1

      Ah gee, aren't you special! So why are there 5 billion who don't share this belief? Are they all wrong and if so, how are you so certain?

      November 11, 2013 at 4:48 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      'Its always folks who believe in everything but the LORD, that throw this question around
      Its always people who question the validity of the BIBLE'

      by the people that question the validity of the claim of a ever loving god that would kill 10000 people.

      November 11, 2013 at 4:57 pm |
  13. James

    This idea of believing in either God or the laws of nature, but not both, is a false choice.

    Here are two thoughts for a Christian who accepts the premises of the bible:

    1) "An enemy has done this." Matthew 13:28. There is an ideological war with two active sides. Angels are beings of tremendous power and ability, far beyond humans. Many, led by Lucifer, were thrown out of heaven. If a person is thrown out for rebelling against the king/government/order/authority, is that person the villain or the hero? How would you know for sure? Hollywood has an opinion on the matter, of course. Is it the right one? Shouldn't that person be allowed time and a stage to show their side of it? Shouldn't both sides? The bible explicitly states that Lucifer, now called Satan, can do signs and miracles also (2 Thessalonians 2:9), not just God (charismatic Christians watch out! That's probably not God doing those miracles. See Isaiah 8:20). God gives Satan a fair opportunity to win us. God shows us both Himself and Satan, most definitively through the bible, but also through nature and real life experiences. Can Satan not also show us something? A different version? Can he not make his own publications and affect our life experiences himself? It isn't outlandish at all, if one accepts the premise of the bible to begin with, to picture Satan doing terrible things here on earth and blaming God for them, because his mission, after all, is to re-imagine the roles of hero and villain in this saga.

    2) "We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time." Romans 8:22. Sin has transcended our personal lives. It is false to assert that a Christian must believe that natural disasters are supernaturally caused. If the bible is believed, then nature itself is in trouble as a result of sin. We have affected the world we live in, and for the worse. Even the idea of human greed leading to the ruin of the environment is not anti-biblical at all. Revelation 11:18 speaks of those who "destroy the earth" being themselves found worthy of destruction in the judgment.

    Christianity doesn't have to be, or to believe, what the world's talking heads say.

    November 11, 2013 at 4:16 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      why post quotes from your book?

      Using the words of someone in the same cult as you, who is just as deluded as you, to prove your point is hilarious!

      November 11, 2013 at 4:28 pm |
  14. Luposian

    God doesn't exist? Then let me show you two videos that I am quite sure will burn out your "odds of happening" meter...

    http://www.godvine.com/Man-Rebukes-Tornado-in-the-Name-of-Jesus-Christ-27.html

    http://www.examiner.com/article/kentucky-woman-prays-tornado-away-from-home-and-family

    November 11, 2013 at 4:11 pm |
    • greenaxe

      Could it be the same people that see the image of Jesus on toast?

      November 11, 2013 at 4:16 pm |
      • Luposian

        A brewing Tornado is NOT an image of Jesus on Toast! How about this... you go live in a place where there are Tornadoes and while one is actively brewing nearby, you pray to your gods of science or HAARP or whatever... and let's see a video of the tornado just vanish... think it will happen? Prove it.

        You know, the bible well reports about a prophet of God basically showing thew power of God by fire coming down and devouring, not just the sacrifice, but all the water and wet wood and everything else! Fanciful story, you say? Well, so was the video... except, you can SEE with your eyes, the PROOF it wasn't "just a story".

        If I had simply told you what had transpired, but gave no tangible proof... I could understand your doubt. That's why I show video proof! So there can be no doubt... only a willful, adamant choice to NOT believe.

        November 11, 2013 at 4:29 pm |
        • Joey

          There was no control in this situation. Now you have to prove that the Tornado would not have hit him if he didn't pray.

          November 11, 2013 at 4:53 pm |
    • dennis

      YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO DECLARE THE EXISTENCE OF GOD!!!
      You lack knowledge to know where you yourself came from.
      Its amazing how a person who is completely ignorant of his own origin
      Can have the nerve to declare that GOD does not exist
      SO VERY SAD, that a person who has a brain can't see the complexity of life
      And at least consider that there may be a power greater than man,
      Since man has no idea, how man came into life.

      Not only does GOD exist, but HEAVEN also exists.
      I actually wrote a book to help people understand the TRUTH.
      The LORD himself has given enough evidence to prove his existence,
      But in a couple of years, THE MYSTERY OF GOD will be revealed to all.
      BIBLE PROPHECY IS HAPPENING IN THE NEWS

      November 11, 2013 at 4:29 pm |
      • greenaxe

        Neither are you. I guess you already met the big G, and knows what heaven looks like. Is it plush and with fluffy clouds the way we re told to envision it?

        November 11, 2013 at 4:33 pm |
    • cedar rapids

      'http://www.examiner.com/article/kentucky-woman-prays-tornado-away-from-home-and-family'

      yeah, that tornado touched down in the nearby town and killed 6 people......praise jesus! praise him.......right?

      and apparently no one else who tried it had enough belief to do it, isnt that the claim?

      November 11, 2013 at 5:01 pm |
  15. Larry L

    "God may or may not be in withering storms, but many religious leaders say they sense a divine presence in the aftermath, as people across the world mobilize to lend a hand."

    B.S. What they sense is human compassion – a natural emotion not requiring nor even enhanced by religion.

    November 11, 2013 at 4:08 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      amen!

      November 11, 2013 at 4:09 pm |
  16. greenaxe

    I thought I would see Pat Robertson speaking out about how god is punishing these poor people like New Orleans and the people of Haiti.

    November 11, 2013 at 4:06 pm |
  17. Jenny

    Please read: http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20111201/why-so-many-natural-disasters/.

    Put the blame where the blame lies.

    November 11, 2013 at 4:00 pm |
  18. Topher

    Please show me where evolution is testable and repeatable, where we find change of kinds and where we see the addition of information when we only see loses.

    November 11, 2013 at 4:00 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      The 5 laws of the Theory of Evolution have proven their validity thousands of times by millions of people.
      The principles are practically applied on a daily basis in fields like medicine, geology, mathematics, molecular biology, robotics, chemistry, astrophysics, agriculture, epidemiology, aerospace engineering, architecture, data mining, drug discovery and design, electrical engineering, finance, geophysics, materials engineering, military strategy, pattern recognition, robotics, scheduling, systems engineering etc.

      Tangible proof can be found by studying vestigial features, ebryonic development, biogeography, DNA sequencing, pseudogenes, endogenous retroviruses, labratory direct examination of natural selection in action in E-Coli bacteria, lactose intolerance in humans, the peppered moth's colour change in reaction to industrial pollution, radiotrophic fungi at Chernobyl... all of these things add to the modern evolutionary synthesis.
      We have directly observes speciation in Blackcap birds, fruit flies, mosquitos, mice, Shortfin molly fish and other specimens.

      Some of the methods used to determine the age of the planet include:
      Stratigraphy, Dendrochronology,Obsidian Hydration Dating, Paleomagnetic/Archaeomagnetic , Luminescence Dating, Amino Acid Racemization, Fission-track Dating, Ice Cores, Cation Ratio, Fluorine Dating, Patination, oxidizable Carbon Ratio, Electron Spin Resonance , and Cosmic-ray Exposure Dating.

      Evidence for the Genesis Creation account comes from The Bible and... nothing else, I'm afraid.

      - Doc Vestibule

      November 11, 2013 at 4:12 pm |
      • Madtown

        Some of the methods used to determine the age of the planet include:
        -----
        Way too many complex, multi-syllabic words on that list for Topher. He'll dismiss them all.

        November 11, 2013 at 4:16 pm |
    • Charm Quark

      Topher
      Look up the information yourself, read, study, then reject it, that is what you do, you have to do so or your delusional bubble would burst.

      November 11, 2013 at 4:14 pm |
    • ME II

      @Topher,
      I've addressed this before.
      Evolution and Geology predicted the location of the tetrapod transitional fossil and there it was found. tiktaalik.uchicago.edu/searching4Tik.html
      Evolution predicted a fusion of two chromosome into one in the human genome and there it was found. http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/chromosome/2
      (relatively) Long term observation of simple organisms have verifiably shown evolution to occur. http://myxo.css.msu.edu/ecoli/overview.html

      And, lastly a change in "kinds" (besides that not being a scientific term) is not even predicted by evolution. Evolution happens at the species level not between higher levels. For example, Tiktaalik (and Ambulocetus, Archeoptyrix, etc) is a snapshot of transistion between two species; one looking slightly more like a teterapod than a fish, but it is not, nor will we ever find, a single individual between to different "kinds". Evolution does not work that way.

      November 11, 2013 at 4:22 pm |
    • Darwin

      There is no testable, observable, repeatable evidence for "evolution". That man evolved from apes remains a fairy tale or, rather a gory tale 😉

      November 11, 2013 at 4:23 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      OK I'll bite.
      Chimps have 24 pairs of chromosomes...humans have 23. Thhe difference happened when fusion occured between 2 pairs forming 1 pair. The resulting fused pair is a bit smaller(less information) where fusion occured. But your basic argument about information is a huge red herring. Humans have 46 chromosomes(discrete packages of dna), A striped skunk has 50, an elephant 56, a polar bear 74, a pigeon has 80, an ameoba has 92 and an adders-tongue(fern) has 1260.

      November 11, 2013 at 4:27 pm |
      • Tom, Tom, the Other One

        Human chromosome 2 is the interesting one here. It has what appears to be a vestigial centromere left over from the fusion of two chromosomes.

        November 11, 2013 at 4:41 pm |
    • In Santa we trust

      Ignoring the mountains of evidence for evolution – how does that testable, repeatable thing work for your creation myth? Oh I know your god is a special case and is exempt from the requirements of evidence.

      November 11, 2013 at 5:02 pm |
  19. IslandAtheist

    He either doesn't care, or he doesn't exist.

    November 11, 2013 at 4:00 pm |
    • John

      Yet what would we all learn if we lived in a world of complete perfection? No disease to make you look for a cause and cure. No natural disasters to make you rise above your complacency to mitigate the effects. He cares, but only from the standpoint that we learn to respect one another and put the needs of others above our own. Because physical and emotional pain is temporary – spiritual development is ongoing.

      You just need to reject the traditional teachings that our Creator is so petty that he punishes us to this day for a crime (allegedly) committed by distant ancestors. We are not here to avoid sin and lead perfect lives. We’re here to make mistakes and better ourselves because of them.

      November 11, 2013 at 5:04 pm |
  20. PJ

    What mindless drivel this article is, and so unworthy of CNN.

    November 11, 2013 at 3:59 pm |
    • Dyslexic doG

      it's the belief blog. try a little perspective.

      November 11, 2013 at 4:13 pm |
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