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Where was God in the Philippines?
A flood survivor is surrounded by debris on the Philippine island of Leyte.
November 11th, 2013
11:16 AM ET

Where was God in the Philippines?

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-editor

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(CNN) - The disasters are always different and often devastating. But the questions they raise are hauntingly familiar.

In the days since Super Typhoon Haiyan swept through the Philippines on Thursday, survivors are frantically searching for lost family members and international aid groups are springing into action.

Officials say the death toll may rise to 10,000 in the heavily Catholic country. Meanwhile, many people are asking: How should we make sense of such senseless death and destruction? Was God in the whirlwind itself, as the Bible hints, or present only in the aftermath, as people mobilize to provide food, water and shelter?

These questions may not be new, but we keep asking them, perhaps because the answers remain so elusive.

For many Americans, a paradox sits at the heart of their thinking about natural disasters. According to a survey taken after 2011's earthquake and tsunami in Japan, most Americans (56%) believe that God is control of everything.

But more Americans blame hurricanes, earthquakes and other storms on global warming (58%) than on an angry and punishing deity (38%), according to a 2011 poll by the Public Religion Research Institute.

“These kind of questions about God being in control and there simultaneously being suffering are the kind of things that keep seminarians up at night," institute CEO Robert P. Jones said in 2011.

"They’re thorny theological issues."

READ: Typhoon Haiyan: Survivors in Philippines face grim struggle as death toll rises

The Bible's Psalm 107 says that “For (God) commands, and raises the stormy wind, which lifts up the waves thereof. ... He turns rivers into a wilderness, and the water springs into dry ground."

But, as the poll shows, most Americans have moved past the idea that God causes natural disasters, wrote Stephen Prothero, a frequent CNN contributor, in a 2011 column.

"When it comes to earthquakes and hurricanes, our authorities are geologists and meteorologists," Prothero said as he rode out Hurricane Irene on Cape Cod in Massachusetts. "Most of us interpret these events not through the rumblings of the biblical prophet Jeremiah or the poetry of the Book of Revelation but through the scientific truths of air pressure and tectonic plates."

For atheists, storms like Haiyan are proof that God doesn't exist, author and activist Sam Harris said.

"Either God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like this, or he doesn’t care to, or he doesn’t exist. God is either impotent, evil or imaginary," Harris said after Japan's tsunami. "Take your pick, and choose wisely."

God may or may not be in withering storms, but many religious leaders say they sense a divine presence in the aftermath, as people across the world mobilize to lend a hand.

Rabbi Harold Kushner is one of the most famous names in the realm of theodicy, a branch of theology that tries to explain the unexplainable: why a good God would allow bad things to happen.

After Japan's tsunami, Kushner called nature "an equal-opportunity destroyer," making no distinctions between sinners and saints.

But Kushner, author of the bestselling book "When Bad Things Happen to Good People," said he sees God's hand in the resilience of people whose lives have been destroyed and in the "goodness and generosity" of strangers who donate and pray for the survivors.

READ: How to help victims of Typhoon Haiyan 

That still leaves a tricky question, though: Why do humans suffer, sometimes terribly, in the first place?

There's no good answer, says the Rev. James Martin, a Jesuit priest and best-selling author.

"Each person has to come to grips with that," Martin said. "It’s not as if some magic answer can be found. But the idea of God suffering along with us can be very helpful."

Muslims, on the other hand, see stormy trials as tests from God, said Sayyid Syeed, national director of the Islamic Society of North America’s Office of Interfaith and Community Alliances.

"Muslims believe that God tests those he loves, and these tragedies also serve as a reminder to the rest of us to remain grateful to God for all our blessings and cognizant that we must support those in need," Syeed said.

Vietnamese Buddhist master Thich Nhat Hanh, whose native country remains in Haiyan's path, said such storms remind us that our lives are impermanent and the importance of treasuring each moment.

"This is the best that we can do for those who have died: We can live in such a way that they can feel they are continuing to live in us, more mindfully, more profoundly, more beautifully, tasting every minute of life available to us, for them," Hanh said.

Stephen Prothero, Jessica Ravitz and Eric Marrapodi contributed to this report.

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Asia • Atheism • Belief • Bible • Buddhism • Christianity • Death • Ethics • Faith • God • Islam • Judaism • natural disasters • Philippines • Prayer

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  1. Lori

    The atheist and questioning believers entire argument is based on God being a genie in a bottle and man unaccountable. It is irresponsible to leave man's issues out of any equation, ahhhh yes. God is supposed to part the seas, never let man suffer, even though they spit in God's face, break all his laws, treat him like garbage and refuse to heed his warnings– That is not how it works. That is a very unhealthy relationship, not real, and naive. God is very real. I know this for a fact, but if God doesn't fix everyone's problems than he is a bad God or no God, according to the genie in the bottle people. It is childish and ignorant!

    The earth is a living breathing life force, and many people refuse to adhere to the very magnitude of the earth equation. It is alive, it has cycles, it has needs, it has turbulence, it has volcanoes, earthquakes, floods, storms etc. etc. We are not 5 years old and believe that everything runs around mankind-or are we?

    God is real, when was the last time people asked God what they could do for God? What God wants, needs, or feels. Again people are 5 and want God to be Santa. like a child praying for Christmas. If you want God to save you, you have to A.) be humble B) have faith C) follow your faith with deeds not just words D) Do God's will E) Heed warnings and go to safety and ask God for help along the way. This is not God's to fix, but man's to stop acting like a 5 year old wanting his parent to fix everything. If a 5 year old touches a hot stove–guess what he gets burned, and there is nothing mom or dad can do to save him from that pain. But as a parent teaching a child he can say "No touch, hot booboo ow" to even a 2 year old. But not to an egotistical adult who swears God is supposed to fix all their ills, their evils, their disrespect, their ignorance, their abuse, their failure to act properly towards others, towards themselves, or in a crisis, and their failure to heed the warnings before them.

    GOD IS NOT NOW, NOR EVER WAS A GENIE IN A BOTTLE for people to wish upon. If he were people would only have 3 wishes and they would have used up their God by the time they are 3. It is time for people of all the major faiths in God to take responsibility and be in a mature faith.

    "When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I acted like a child, and when I grew up I put away childish things"

    November 12, 2013 at 9:46 pm |
    • Jill

      Lori, don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently. So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril. Think about how you can stripe the sea.Regale the storm to those who (6) would thump the parrot with the armband. Corner the market on vestiges of the apparent closure but seek not the evidential circumstance. Therein you can find indignant mountains of pigs and apples. Descend eloquently as you debate the ceiling of your warning fulcrum. Vacate the corncob profusely and and don’t dote on the pancreas.Next up, control your wood. Have at the cat with your watch on the fore. Aft! Smarties (12)! Rome wasn’t kevetched in an autumn nightie. (42) See yourself for the turntable on the escalator. Really peruse the garage spider definitely again again with brown. Now we have an apparent congestion, so be it here. Just a moment is not a pod of beef for the ink well nor can it be (4) said that Karen was there in the millpond.Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously.

      And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

      November 12, 2013 at 9:50 pm |
    • Observer

      "When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I acted like a child, and when I grew up I put away childish things"

      Most atheists and agnostics would completely agree.

      November 12, 2013 at 9:50 pm |
    • Jill

      Lori, don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedents. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently. So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril. Think about how you can stripe the sea.Regale the storm to those who (6) would thump the parrot with the armband. Corner the market on vestiges of the apparent closure but seek not the evidential circumstance. Therein you can find indignant mountains of pigs and apples. Descend eloquently as you debate the ceiling of your warning fulcrum. Vacate the corncob profusely and and don’t dote on the pancreas.Next up, control your wood. Have at the cat with your watch on the fore. Aft! Smarties (12)! Rome wasn’t kevetched in an autumn nightie. (42) See yourself for the turntable on the escalator. Really peruse the garage spider definitely again again with brown. Now we have an apparent congestion, so be it here. Just a moment is not a pod of beef for the ink well nor can it be (4) said that Karen was there in the millpond.Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously.

      And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

      November 12, 2013 at 9:50 pm |
      • Khan

        Jill – I cannot understand a word you write – I need to improve my english understanding & u need to have a brain transplant

        November 21, 2013 at 10:42 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      You would have to explain why a god who made the entire universe would want or need anything from me or anyone else.

      November 12, 2013 at 9:52 pm |
      • It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarreled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

        I saw a Doctor Who episode once in which an alien fed on people's faith. That's the only logical explanation apart from there being no gods. There's your option people, there's no god or god is a malevolent alien who feeds on people's faith.

        November 12, 2013 at 10:07 pm |
        • Tom, Tom, the Other One

          Joel Osteen feeds on people's faith. The grin gives it away. Sometimes you see particles of faith between his teeth. He should floss.

          November 12, 2013 at 10:12 pm |
        • It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarreled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

          Yeah, but he's got killer hair though.

          November 12, 2013 at 10:18 pm |
        • Nance

          Well, yeah, once you get past the brilliantine gel...

          November 12, 2013 at 10:50 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      It doesn't seem plausible that your God would create us in an act of love, but include in us the potential for pain and suffering, a potential that it knew would be realized. Oh well, bygones. Lori, why do animals suffer? What did they do wrong?

      November 12, 2013 at 9:55 pm |
      • lol??

        When's the last time an animal told you he was sufferin'?? Try to help a hurt dog and will bite. HHhhhmmmm.

        November 12, 2013 at 10:18 pm |
        • Nance

          If you don't know when an animal is suffering, you are either blind or lack empathy. On your case, I'd vote for the latter.

          November 12, 2013 at 10:38 pm |
    • Colin

      It's actually much, much simpler than all that, Lori. God does not exist. There has never been one bit of convincing evidence put forward that he does. So, you can tell yourself all you want that some invisible being that created the entire Universe and its billions of galaxies has a personal interest in you and will make you live happily ever after you die in a happy place called "heaven," or you can face the uncertainties of life and the certanty of death with a bit of maturity.

      How did you put it? "When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I acted like a child, and when I grew up I put away childish things"

      It's time to put away the sky-fairy Lori. You ill live and die, like every other human being that has ever existed. Some of us don't need sky-fairies. You, apparently, still do.

      November 12, 2013 at 10:24 pm |
      • devin

        I'm curious Colin, how did you come about such emphatic knowledge of God's non-existence ? Perhaps a vision or audible revelation?

        November 12, 2013 at 10:39 pm |
        • Oh, goody

          Squish kitty Austin is back!

          November 12, 2013 at 10:41 pm |
        • Tom, Tom, the Other One

          Colin may have a justified belief in the non-existence of gods. Do you have a justified belief in yours, devin?

          November 12, 2013 at 10:44 pm |
        • devin

          I don't float here very often, but have been accused in the past of being "Austin" and I believe the other name was"faith". I can assure you, I'm neither.

          November 12, 2013 at 10:56 pm |
        • Colin

          No devin, the only people I know of who claim such nonsense as "visions" or "audible revelations" are religious people.

          To answer your Q, the same way I conclude that fairies don't exist – a complete lack of any evidence or basis for believing they do and a good handle on where they came from – literature.

          November 12, 2013 at 11:21 pm |
        • Roger that

          Devin, you almost sound like an atheist. You're correct; Colin can't prove that God does not exist. It's impossible and not necessary for him to do so. You think God does exist. Why not apply the same logic in proving that God does exist?

          November 13, 2013 at 12:40 am |
  2. lol??

    So why does gud things happen to gud people??

    "Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God."

    Got that dirtbag dustballs?? The original premise was false.

    November 12, 2013 at 9:35 pm |

    • So, why do good things happen to bad people?

      November 12, 2013 at 9:38 pm |
      • lol??

        Now yer gettin' the picture, thinkin' like Dave.

        Hbr 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?

        November 12, 2013 at 9:52 pm |
        • It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarreled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

          Who's Dave?

          November 12, 2013 at 10:20 pm |
        • Dave's is not here

          .

          November 12, 2013 at 10:28 pm |
        • It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarreled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

          Dave's what is not here?

          November 12, 2013 at 10:29 pm |
        • Dave's not here

          oops

          November 12, 2013 at 10:35 pm |
        • lol??

          A shepherd kid, good with a sling. Knew how to deal with bullies, the psycho type. Must have done a lot of practicin' like Billy.

          November 12, 2013 at 10:36 pm |
        • It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid personages lived and quarreled; good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, they are all equal now.

          Oh, that Dave. Didn't he have a son who enjoyed tolchocking yahoodies, drinking Hebrew vino and getting into bed with handmaidens?

          November 12, 2013 at 10:41 pm |
        • .

          http://youtu.be/rtDAK7Umk7A

          November 12, 2013 at 10:43 pm |
        • Nance

          He was awfully bad once he got that crown atop.

          November 12, 2013 at 10:44 pm |
        • Aesop

          Androcles tamed the vicious lion with kindness. No killin' necessary by a simply smaller bully named David.

          (and there's probably just as much evidence that the Androcles story could have happened as there is for the David one)

          November 12, 2013 at 10:50 pm |
  3. maias

    "explain the unexplainable: why a good God would allow bad things to happen."

    Maybe the Chinese have right approach. They say gods are like people, they out for lunch and they fall asleep and THAT'S when accidents happen.

    November 12, 2013 at 9:16 pm |
  4. Tom, Tom, the Other One

    It seems usual for people to say that someone who "hangs out with invisible people", or who says he believes in a supernatural intelligent overarching power throughout the Universe, must be lying. Do people not experiment with hallucinogens these days? I think that kind of experience says a lot about what it is possible for someone to perceive and believe. To me it was common to feel the presence of people and far stranger things that seemed entirely independent of me. Perhaps a few believers actually experience that sort of thing without artificially altered perceptions and believe because of it. What they believe isn't the truth, but they aren't liars. Really, they aren't even deceiving themselves. It's something strange about their brains.

    November 12, 2013 at 8:04 pm |
    • To the point

      Liars? No, I think they are idiots.

      November 12, 2013 at 8:56 pm |
    • devin

      " they aren't even deceiving themselves." The irony in that statement is astounding

      November 12, 2013 at 9:15 pm |
      • Nance

        I doubt you even know what the word "irony" means.

        November 12, 2013 at 10:46 pm |
        • devin

          Thanks for your input Nance, I'll consider the source. ..... I just did, it's completely irrelevant.

          November 12, 2013 at 11:02 pm |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      Some are liars,
      some are just wrong but are not lying,
      and the problem is it is next to impossible to be able to tell the difference between the two.

      I just taught this lesson to my son last week.

      November 12, 2013 at 9:19 pm |
    • Sara

      I agree, the use of the term liar in this context only shows the ignorance of those who say it, as do references to silly things like "sjy fairies" which are so far from what most of these groups mean by god as to simply show the cluelessness of the speaker.

      November 12, 2013 at 9:30 pm |
  5. Robert Thomas - Kitchen

    No one can give a complete answer to the question about "Why do bad things happen to both good people and bad people." I just find It a little amusing to even ask the question. We all know that it happens. Every one of us are born [ Good thing] and everyone of us die. [ Not such a good thing.]

    Why even ask why,if we all know discussing it won't ever change it. The only real question is what can we do about the bad things that happen. People of all faiths are praying and helping by giving money and time to these people in the Philippines

    November 12, 2013 at 7:57 pm |
    • Gwen

      Good that you've kept "praying" and "helping" separate, Robert. They certainly are.

      November 12, 2013 at 8:12 pm |
    • Robert Thomas - Kitchen

      Now if you are stuck on asking the question, "Why does God allow good things to happen to both good people and bad people?" You might want to ask yourself if you even believe in God first." Why ask a question like that if you don't believe there is a God? So if you do believe there is a God then it is a good question. But you will have to answer it the same way. Life and death is the only real reality we have at this point. It is what is real. We live and we die. If you believe in God you, you know from your beliefs that God definitely allows it. But still we don't know why. I for one will not even attempt to take a crack at that question.

      November 12, 2013 at 8:23 pm |
      • To the point

        Atheists don't ask that question, brainiac.

        November 12, 2013 at 8:57 pm |
      • james

        RTK; I will try again to share an answer to this question since I have done so many times since it was answered for me over 40 years ago. the explanation is much too long for here but I would ask if you have ever asked this of Jehovah's Witnesses. They have the only explanation that makes complete sense and if you really want to spend enough time to learn what the Bible really teaches go to jw.org and request this knowledge and they will make sure you are responded to or the next time they come to visit give them enough time and they can explain from the Bible just why the Creator allows these things to continue and why this situation even exists in the first place. If you want a brief synopsis it has to do with man refusing to obey the one that offered him and could give him eternal life. For more details I will be glad to spend a little time tomorrow. thanks, j

        November 12, 2013 at 9:23 pm |
        • Lori

          uh, james, the JW's are the worst of the lot. Their so called answers are nonsense. And they knock on my door wayyyy too often. My dog knows just what to do with them yo.

          November 13, 2013 at 1:01 am |
        • james

          lori, maybe if you went to bed earlier you would be more reasonable in the A.M. ask them to come in the P.M. and you may be able to understand how life saving the information really is.

          November 13, 2013 at 10:33 am |
        • james

          yo?

          November 13, 2013 at 10:47 am |
  6. Opie L.

    It's simple, if you want to hang out with invisible people you do it in spite of everybody and everything not because of everybody and every thing.

    November 12, 2013 at 6:40 pm |
    • bostontola

      Here's the situation:

      We live on a planet where the majority of human beings believe in invisible enti ties and think that the remainder that don't are the nutty ones.

      November 12, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
      • Opie L.

        Every now and again I've had to ask myself if I am crazy or if it's everybody else. I think it's good for a person to consider that both situations could be true.

        Is my version of reality correct, maybe or maybe not. Does it match someone else's version...not really. If you can contend with that and move forward it's a good learning experience.

        November 12, 2013 at 6:51 pm |
        • bostontola

          I don't care what anyone believes. I suspect any group that enforces belief with threats of violence. Take Christianity, if you don't believe, you are sentenced to an eternity of unimaginable pain and suffering. That sounds like manipulation, not truth.

          November 12, 2013 at 6:55 pm |
        • Opie L.

          Well I read a quote that you might like. The opposite of faith is not doubt, the opposite of faith is certainty.

          November 12, 2013 at 6:58 pm |
        • AE

          In my experience, only right-wing fundies and internet atheists have that view of Christianity.

          November 12, 2013 at 7:01 pm |
        • devin

          Certainty of doubt.

          November 12, 2013 at 7:07 pm |
        • AE

          Certainty often leads to arrogance.

          November 12, 2013 at 7:08 pm |
        • Opie L.

          Also boston if that one religion doesn't hold appeal to you there are thousands of other ideas in the ideas market to choose from. None of them may be correct but it's a matter of if you enjoy picking through them or if you don't.

          November 12, 2013 at 7:11 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          AE, So, in your opinion, what does happen to people who do not believe in your god.

          November 12, 2013 at 9:24 pm |
      • devin

        By "remainder" I assume you are referring to the left over 2% of the worlds population. Perhaps holding the opinion of such a minority should cause a little light bulb to go off in your head. No?

        November 12, 2013 at 6:53 pm |
        • bostontola

          Remember when everyone thought the sun went around the earth and most thought the earth was flat?

          November 12, 2013 at 6:56 pm |
        • Opie L.

          In other words, yes it is illogical, but do you want to do it anyway and why?

          November 12, 2013 at 7:01 pm |
        • EnjaySea

          Due to the insidious efficiency of generational indoctrination, the fact that only a minority of people can see clear of their childhood brainwashing does not surprise me in the slightest.

          No light bulb required.

          November 12, 2013 at 7:02 pm |
        • devin

          Different place in time. Included in that 98 percentile are countless numbers of physicians, engineers, scientists ( perhaps even 1 or 2 evolutionary biologists) etc.. who believe in a creator (God). We're not talking medieval bumpkins here.

          November 12, 2013 at 7:05 pm |
        • Opie L.

          EnJ. Yes but without "something" some of us feel "stuck'. That something doesn't have to be a specific or popular religion, it doesn't have to be religion. It just has to be that moment that you ask yourself, "Is this REALLY all there is?" or when you ask yourself, "What might I never know"

          November 12, 2013 at 7:06 pm |
        • EnjaySea

          Devin: smart people can be indoctrinated too. It doesn't require a lack of intelligence to be easily susceptible to religion.

          Opie L.: then go ahead and make up stuff that makes you feel better. I don't feel "stuck" with not knowing everything about the universe. I'm perfectly happy waiing for the real answers. And I'm perfectly happy having no answers. Inventing answers does nothing for me whatsoever.

          November 12, 2013 at 7:10 pm |
        • Opie L.

          lol Enjay. Maybe that's it really. The joy of philosophy, the joy of just making up an answer then having an argument with yourself about it.

          November 12, 2013 at 7:13 pm |
        • C

          D*ckhead

          Learn that in church, did you?

          November 12, 2013 at 8:23 pm |
        • devin

          C

          Actually, I'm rather adept at original thought and critical thinking. Perhaps you one day may consider it yourself? I am curious as to why, without ever seeing me, you would think I have a head like a duck?

          November 12, 2013 at 9:21 pm |
        • a reasonable atheist

          "..lies, damn lies, and statistics."

          Your 98% argument fails in many ways. Firstly, even if the number is accurate, they do not believe in the same sort of god. There are 40,000 variations on Christianity alone. Even if 98% of the worlds' population were to agree on believing in the same version of god, your argument is just an argumentum ad populum.

          As you appear to be into fallacious argument, some other statistics present an interesting argument from authority (authority being the most intelligent people currently alive).

          What would be the percentage of believers among the population sample that exhibits an IQ at least 3 standard deviations greater than the mean. I'll give you a hint – it's low. If you further refine that query to Christians, it gets significantly lower.

          How about the percentage of AAAS and/or Royal Society members that are believers. How about refining that query to specifically Christian believers?

          Of course, none of these statistics really matter when considering the question of gods. It all comes down to deciding whether faith is an acceptable basis for determining if something is real. You say it is for your version of god. However, do you also think it is for other peoples' version of god(s)? How about unicorns? Bigfoot? Russel's teapot? If you do, you at least are not a hypocrite. Since I've not seen you arguing passionately regarding the existence of unicorns or other supposed but baseless claims, I'll assume you treat your version of god as a special case. Which of course leaves you wallowing in hypocrisy.

          Regardless, I reject the notion that faith is an acceptable basis for establishing a consensus of reality. It is acceptable for establishing curiosity but certainly not reality.

          November 14, 2013 at 11:45 am |
      • aguzman33

        Who's really up to no good? The guy that doesn't believe in God and is passionate about destroying other people's faith, or the person that believes in God and wants to share that faith with others?

        November 12, 2013 at 6:58 pm |
        • Opie L.

          Personally I think the one's who never question answers are in big trouble. If you never answer questions that might not be the worst thing.

          November 12, 2013 at 7:02 pm |
        • EnjaySea

          So when you verbalize your world view, you're "sharing your faith". When I'm verbalizing mine I'm "destroying faith".

          You want to maybe tone that down a bit? Then we can have a rational conversation.

          November 12, 2013 at 7:05 pm |
        • aguzman33

          What's there to tone down? It's a straightforward question to someone who wasn't just "sharing their world view," but antagonizing people of faith. If you don't like the answer to that question, perhaps you need to rethink your strategy.

          November 12, 2013 at 7:17 pm |
        • HotAirAce

          I'm an atheist and not interested in destroying anyone's life. I am interested in ensuring mentally delusional believers don't destroy my life by passing laws based on their insanity and perpetual tribal cult wars.

          November 12, 2013 at 7:14 pm |
        • aguzman33

          There is nothing insane about believing in something greater than ourselves. And people of true faith don't make war. I can see that it's easy for you to label people and drop them in buckets, but life is much more complex than that.

          November 12, 2013 at 7:21 pm |
        • Troll Spotter

          Dude, There are a ton of Trolls on here. Hot air ace is the biggest one.

          November 12, 2013 at 7:24 pm |
        • HotAirAce

          I guess your definition of a troll is someone who asks questions that believers can never answer, questions about the very foundation of their beliefs, that in the absence of actual evidence can only be called delusions, in which case I wear the label with pride. Now, fuck off, azzhole!

          November 12, 2013 at 7:31 pm |
        • aguzman33

          Jesus Christ is my evidence, and no credible historian has ever denied him. But for someone who resorts to name calling, I imagine even evidence would not suffice.

          November 12, 2013 at 7:35 pm |
        • Troll Spotter

          No D*ckhead my definition of a TROLL is Hot air ass.

          November 12, 2013 at 7:36 pm |
        • HotAirAce

          So some desert dweller named jesus lived a couple of thousand years ago. Prove he was divine – be the first.

          November 12, 2013 at 7:53 pm |
        • aguzman33

          Ok. But do you believe that Jesus lived?

          November 12, 2013 at 8:04 pm |
        • Roger that

          'Jesus Christ is my evidence, and no credible historian has ever denied him.'

          No credible historian has verified him.

          November 12, 2013 at 7:55 pm |
        • aguzman33

          Jewish sources (Josephus) and Roman sources (Tacitus) were compared to Christian sources (Pauline Letters, Synoptic Gospels) and the similarities and differences that resulted were used to authenticate what was real and what wasn't.

          November 12, 2013 at 8:10 pm |
        • HotAirAce

          Whether or not I believe some desert dweller name jesus and allegedly the messiah ever lived is not relevant to you proving he was divine.

          November 12, 2013 at 8:43 pm |
        • Roger that

          A man named Yeshua living about 2,000 years may have been executed by the state. That's it. Nothing else is known. Nothing that he said was recorded. It was all made up decades later. For all we know, Christians could be worshipping a common criminal. You might as well worship David Koresh? David may actually have been a better person. Who knows? No one.

          November 12, 2013 at 8:54 pm |
    • Opie L.

      For what it's worth the non existence of invisible people certainly seems to make more sense.

      November 12, 2013 at 6:53 pm |
      • Greg

        That seems reasonable.

        It seems reasonable to me that people with rational minds would consider all they know about the universe, and wonder how it got there. No "person" created this. So how did it get here? Go on with your logic and learn.

        November 12, 2013 at 8:12 pm |
  7. bostontola

    I wonder if there are Hindus that consider their creation myths literally true? The astonishing thing is, there are many Christians who think their creation myth is literally true and defend it beyond reason.

    November 12, 2013 at 6:28 pm |
    • lol??

      It's on a need to know basis. The race was told what they needed. God owes no one any explanations about anything.

      November 12, 2013 at 6:36 pm |
      • bostontola

        Are you referring to Vishnu?

        November 12, 2013 at 6:38 pm |
        • lol??

          No, Vishnu is into pickling.

          "Vishnu is regarded as a major god in Hinduism and Indian mythology. He is thought as the preserver of the universe while two other major Hindu gods Brahma and Shiva, are regarded respectively, as the creator and destroyer of the universe.........."

          http://www.pantheon.org/articles/v/vishnu.html

          'Sides the skinheads are into that dude.

          ".............The original worship of Vishnu, by the Aryan conquerors of India ................."

          November 12, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
        • bostontola

          So which God then? Oh...never mind, it must be the one true God.

          November 12, 2013 at 6:51 pm |
    • Sara

      There are some, but in the US the percent of Hindu fundamentalists is lower than the percent of Christian fundamentalists. However, the Rama's Bridge debacle is enough to show Hindu fundamentalism is still alive and well.

      November 12, 2013 at 7:36 pm |
  8. God is on vacation

    God is too busy helping NFL players make touchdowns.

    November 12, 2013 at 6:28 pm |
    • bostontola

      Its sad that God doesn't listen to players on defense.

      November 12, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
      • Alias

        It is the touchdowns that get the croud cheering.

        November 12, 2013 at 7:46 pm |
  9. Reality # 2

    Popular? Yes, but still suffering from the Three B Syndrome i.e. Bred, Born and Brainwashed in his historically and theologically flawed religion. The cure is easy and available upon written request.

    November 12, 2013 at 5:47 pm |
    • Reality # 2

      Oops, wrong thread.

      November 12, 2013 at 5:48 pm |
  10. Ron

    "Then the kings of the earth and the great men...hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?" ...Revelation 6:15-17

    November 12, 2013 at 5:40 pm |
    • Well Duh

      "5. Henceforth, let Jimmy cracketh corn, for the curse of the Cracked Corn is upon him. 6. Let him cracketh corn thrice, and thrice let the corn be cracketh. Upon the first cracking of the corn, ye shall not haveth a care. 7. Upon the second cracking of the corn, ye shall not haveth a care. 8. If upon the third cracking, ye are of a mind to care, let the curse of the Cracked Corn be forever upon ye in the stead of Jimmy, and none shall haveth a care." -Tribulations of Jimmy 2:5-8.

      November 12, 2013 at 5:53 pm |
  11. Ron

    "The sun became black as sackloth.., and the whole moon became like blood, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth. The sky was split apart like a scroll wien it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places." Revelation 6:12-14

    November 12, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
  12. Ron

    "For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short." ....Jesus (Mathew 24:21-22)

    November 12, 2013 at 5:35 pm |
    • Well Duh

      "5. The Lord Jesus spake to his Disciplettes of conception, consumption, fornication, and all things immaculate. He did sayeth that His women were blessed with a carnal imperative known as the "Christ of the Passion". 6. This miracle occurreth when in the throes of coitus and bliss, the woman thinketh only to proclaim the glory of His holy name alone, and of no other man. 'Oh God!' sayeth she once, then twice, then thrice and again in a crescendo. 7. Rejoice! His work is beautiful, and it is good." -Disciplettes 20:5-7

      November 12, 2013 at 5:57 pm |
  13. lol??

    Looks like the A&A's with their massive intellects have never run across the definition of murder. The educratists let em down again.

    November 12, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
    • Sal

      Are you on meds? If not? You should be. If so, you needs to get them adjusted.

      November 12, 2013 at 6:14 pm |
      • lol??

        I presume yer not referencing Greekster doctors doin' the regulatin'.

        November 12, 2013 at 6:18 pm |
      • lol??

        Roe v. Wade

        "...................... Greek and Roman law afforded little protection to the unborn. If abortion was prosecuted in some places, it seems to have been based on a concept of a violation of the father's right to his offspring................................"

        November 12, 2013 at 6:29 pm |
  14. Ron

    "For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines and earthquakes...but these are merely the beginning of birth pangs.". Jesus (Mathew 24:7-8)

    November 12, 2013 at 5:32 pm |
  15. sirhuxley

    Actually, what I want to know is "Where was Joe Pesci?"

    I bet Joe Pesci could have taken care of business with that storm...

    November 12, 2013 at 5:31 pm |
    • Troll Spotter

      Here is a DUMB one.

      November 12, 2013 at 7:22 pm |
    • George Carlin

      sirhuxley, you rock. I know where you are coming from, and I like it.

      November 12, 2013 at 7:50 pm |
      • a reasonable atheist

        Joe sure straightened your annoying neighbor out. 100% prayer success rate!

        November 13, 2013 at 4:30 pm |
    • redzoa

      Joe bless you all . . .

      November 12, 2013 at 11:47 pm |
      • George Carlin

        And you too, redzoa 🙂

        November 13, 2013 at 4:31 pm |
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