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Illinois bishop plans gay-marriage exorcism
Bishop Thomas Paprocki of Illinois is planning an exorcism for the state after it approved gay marriage.
November 15th, 2013
10:10 AM ET

Illinois bishop plans gay-marriage exorcism

By Daniel Burke, Belief Blog Co-editor

(CNN) - The devil made them do it?

According to a Catholic bishop in Springfield, Illinois, Satan was behind his state's recent legalization of same-sex marriage.

So, next Wednesday, at about the same time Gov. Pat Quinn signs the gay marriage bill into law, Bishop Thomas Paprocki will hold an exorcism ceremony "in reparation for the sin of same-sex marriage."

Paprocki, who's something of an expert on exorcism, says he's just following the Pope's marching orders.

When Pope Francis, then Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, was an archbishop in Argentina, he called that country's legalization of same-sex marriage "a 'move' of the father of lies who wishes to confuse and deceive the children of God."

In a statement released on Thursday, Paprocki said: "The pope's reference to the 'father of lies' comes from the Gospel of John, where Jesus refers to the devil as 'a liar and the father of lies.' So Pope Francis is saying that same-sex 'marriage' comes from the devil and should be condemned as such."

Since his election as Pope in March, Francis seems to have taken a less combative approach to homosexuality. At a news conference in July, for example, he said "Who am I to judge?" a gay person who seeks to be a good person.

Illinois politicians - including Catholics - cited the Pope's words when explaining their support for the state's same-sex marriage bill.

In September, the Pope said the church has no right to "interfere spiritually" in the lives of gays and lesbians and chided Catholics who "obsess" about fighting culture war issues like abortion and same-sex marriage.

MORE ON CNN: Pope Francis: Church can't 'interfere' with gays

But Paprocki calls same-sex marriage "contrary to the plan of God" and says all Catholics who support it - from legislators to county clerks who issue marriage licenses - are "culpable of serious sin."

The bishop has invited priests and lay Catholics to his exorcism ceremony, officially called "“Prayers of Supplication and Exorcism in Reparation for the Sin of Same-Sex Marriage,” which is scheduled for November 20 at the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception in Springfield, Illinois.

Paprocki says the ceremony will follow the Catholic Church's Rite of Exorcism, which explains that Satan not only possesses people, he can also invade places and things, including the church itself.

"We must pray for deliverance from this evil which has penetrated our state and our church," Paprocki said.

Exorcism is experiencing something of a renaissance in the United States, with the Catholic bishops recruiting dozens of priests to perform the ancient rite. Paprocki is among the bishops leading the recruiting drive.

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Belief • Catholic Church • Culture wars • Faith • Gay marriage • Gay rights • Pope Francis

soundoff (3,013 Responses)
  1. Colin

    I don't care what anybody says. It IS a choice. It is a disgusting lifestyle and I don't understand how anybody could engage in it.

    But enough about Catholics, let's talk about gays.......

    November 16, 2013 at 9:58 am |
    • Apple Bush

      I did NOT read ahead and when I got to the end I had to chuckle.

      November 16, 2013 at 10:01 am |
    • Neo Atheist

      LOL!
      Not THAT was funny!

      November 16, 2013 at 10:06 am |
    • Charm Quark

      What about the Scottish Bishop preaching fire and brimstone against gays and then having to confess that he had buggered a few of his mates; you can't make this stuff up.

      November 16, 2013 at 10:07 am |
    • devin

      Oh, I thought you were referring to those of us in the comments section.

      November 16, 2013 at 10:09 am |
      • Apple Bush

        lol

        November 16, 2013 at 10:11 am |
  2. Apple Bush

    There is no mystery to the true nature of those who stand at the pulpit espousing God and all things holy in accordance with the handbook.

    I have experienced many bullies in my life and spotting one wearing robes and a pointy hat is easy.

    Church leaders abuse their position for a variety of reasons. First; to push forward their agenda. Beyond that it may be stealing from the congregation to molesting children and every evil in between.

    The priesthood, like a coach, has the convenience of their disguise to prolong the debauchery, in many cases, they completely avoid punishment.

    I have known these people and these are the scary ones you warn your children about.

    There is truth in watching out for false prophets. The problem is, the majority is false; and those that have good hearts are misguided in their belief system which leads to more absurdity from others.

    I know a bully when I see one. I escaped from four of them growing up so it is hard to pull the wool over my eyes.

    Bishop Thomas Paprocki is a bully and uses his bully pulpit to spread fear and ignorance.

    Worse, he punishes the innocent as is the way with bullies.

    November 16, 2013 at 9:29 am |
    • Apple Bush

      Choice not;
      Want not.

      Listen to the man;
      Save some truth as long as you can.

      A crazy insane and delusional ruse;
      A platform built to use and abuse.

      Children chained and preached up cold;
      Dysfunctional adults as they grow old.

      A world of timeless lies and affliction;
      Religion is the world’s addiction.

      November 16, 2013 at 9:38 am |
    • lol??

      Bullyin' is americult's method of governing. The socies think it's contemporary. They need a fresher course at the Frankfurt School to pay homage to their roots.

      November 16, 2013 at 9:43 am |
  3. Woody

    "Exorcism is experiencing something of a renaissance in the United States, with the Catholic bishops recruiting dozens of priests to perform the ancient rite."

    We do live in the 21st Century, do we not? Why don't they just bring in a witch doctor, from some remote area, to do his dance with his mask and his rattle? The results would be exactly the same. There are some very manipulative, very gullible people out there. It's much scarier than the make believe demons.

    November 16, 2013 at 9:14 am |
    • tallulah13

      Religion is desperately clinging to any relevance it has left. It finds toeholds in places where education is limited and/or where poverty is greatest. In countries where education is considered vital, you will find that religion is dying.

      November 16, 2013 at 10:33 am |
  4. devin

    Can we put aside this frivolous notion that Christians are being"judgmental" because they object to h om o s ex ua lity on moral grounds? Granted, there will always be the small percentage of true h o m o phobes who use their faith as a vehicle to spread hate, but that is the fringe. The vast majority of Christians simply believe in moral absolutes, of which the sinfulness of h o m o s e xuality is one. Society/individuals make moral judgments everyday, whether against murderers, adulterers, pedophiles, etc.., it is just a matter of who picks the poison . So, in the interest of integrity, disagree with our moral conclusions, but don't define it as " judging others", it only amplifies your hypocrisy.

    November 16, 2013 at 8:36 am |
    • truthprevails1

      What moral grounds??? Denying equal rights to tax paying citizens based solely on something natural is not moral!!

      November 16, 2013 at 8:40 am |
      • Cpt. Obvious

        I'd like to see devin's reply to your initial question.

        November 16, 2013 at 9:43 am |
        • devin

          Now you see.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:52 am |
        • devin

          Now you can.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:52 am |
      • devin

        The same moral grounds that bring you to the conclusion that adultery, pedophilia, incest, homicide, stealing, etc.. are wrong.

        November 16, 2013 at 9:51 am |
        • Colin

          The difference is those behaviors – homicide, stealing that hurts ofthers and those, gay marriage etc. that don't.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:55 am |
        • devin

          Colin,

          You, as have many, presuppose that the criteria for moral truth is " does it hurt anybody". I simply reject that criteria.

          November 16, 2013 at 10:00 am |
        • Colin

          In that case, what criteria do you use to distinguish?

          November 16, 2013 at 10:03 am |
        • tallulah13

          "adultery, pedophilia, incest, homicide, stealing" involve damage to or exploitation of innocent parties. A homosexual relationship is between to adult, willing and generally loving parties. The fact that you refuse to see the difference does not change those facts. If homosexuality is wrong, then so is heterosexuality.

          November 16, 2013 at 10:09 am |
        • sam stone

          what criteria do you use, devin? translated, edited iron age hearsay?

          November 16, 2013 at 10:09 am |
        • devin

          The criteria established in the teachings of Scripture in the Christian faith, though of course you already know this and reject it.

          November 16, 2013 at 10:12 am |
        • tallulah13

          Prove your god exists, devin, and then you can make laws in his name.

          November 16, 2013 at 10:12 am |
        • devin

          Tal

          How many times do I need to say this: I CAN NO MORE PROVE THE EXISTENCE OF GOD THAN YOU CAN PROVE HIS NON-EXISTENCE.. PROOF is not even in the equation.

          November 16, 2013 at 10:17 am |
        • tallulah13

          devin? THERE IS A COMPLETE AND UTTER LACK OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE EXISTENCE OF ANY OF THE THOUSANDS OF GODS THAT HAVE BEEN WORSHIPED BY HUMANS.

          This fact alone would make a logical person doubt the existence of gods. Thousands and thousands of years and not a shred of tangible evidence. Why in the world do you think that your desire to believe is remotely equivalent to a lack of proof?

          November 16, 2013 at 10:25 am |
        • truthprevails1

          Devin: Without using your bible or anything that reverts back to it, point to the evidence that shows that LGBT are harmful. How is it directly causing harm to society and what would you suppose be done to prevent this given that according to you your moral standing on this topic is better than the laws of the land-laws that you must abide by and that are in no way based off of the bible? Your moral superiority act is rather immoral. These people raise children; pay taxes; work in your community...the only difference between you and them is who you choose to love. This is the 21st century, you can either join it or feel free to be left behind...16 states have made it legal, the other 34 will soon follow-what do you plan to do then???
          Unlike homicide; pedophilia (oh wait, your god approves of that); rape (another one your god approves of); incest (yet another one approved of by your god); homosexuals do no harm to society and therefore they deserve equal rights...your so called moral system is not so moral and quite hypocritical (condoning horrific acts like the ones mentioned but condemning something that SCIENCE in the 21st century says and proves with evidence, is natural.

          November 16, 2013 at 10:45 am |
        • Doris

          devin: "The same moral grounds that bring you to the conclusion"

          ah so devin agrees that grounds for moral opinion for theists and non-theists both come from human consensus; that kink of throws a monkey-wrench in the notion of absolute morality coming directly from heaven

          November 16, 2013 at 10:54 am |
        • Doris

          lol; that kind of, not "kink"

          November 16, 2013 at 10:55 am |
        • devin

          Truth

          As mentioned earlier, my criteria for moral truth is not " does it hurt anybody". As a Christian, my moral authority comes from the Scriptures which is only a conduit of the word of God. I fully realize you et al dismiss this as sky fairy, spaghetti monster talk, but I'm okay with that.

          November 16, 2013 at 10:57 am |
        • devin

          Doris

          Where you falter is in thinking either side derives their "moral grounds from human consensus. "

          November 16, 2013 at 11:03 am |
        • Doris

          how is that, devin? can you demonstrate where it comes from – even for you? can you demonstrate how it came to anyone else where subjective means / consensus is not involved?

          November 16, 2013 at 11:05 am |
        • Kev

          Tall 13,

          You might think that it is illogical to believe in a god due to a lack of conclusive evidence when I could also easily claim that it is also illogical to conclude that there is no god for the very same reason. That perhaps it may be logical to be open to the possibility that the great complexities of life, of nature, of the universe could possibly be because it was designed, and just because you may not understand it all doesn’t mean that there is no plan or purpose behind it all. This would include both the good and bad out there.

          November 16, 2013 at 11:16 am |
        • Tom, Tom, the Other One

          Rather than try to fulfil your obligation to the society you live in to make judgments about what ought or ought not be done, you've chosen to go with the book, devin. You hope that "good" and "evil" are not – and never can be – more or less than what your book says they are. You hope your book is backed by your God, and that your God is real and good. You have no other resources from your God. I feel sorry for you, devin.

          November 16, 2013 at 11:23 am |
        • Doris

          Of course devin, in that reply to Tal 13, you seem to be assuming different groups of possibilities, perhaps for others – which even doesn't jive with your earlier reply where you specifically mention being a Christian. I think it's a long way between believing a creator must have been responsible and the Abrahamic God.

          November 16, 2013 at 11:24 am |
        • Tom, Tom, the Other One

          Absolute morality, should it exist, should be accessible in the way that mathematics is accessible. If there are facts on which it is based, we should know them. If it is necessarily true based on those facts, we should be able to show it.

          November 16, 2013 at 11:32 am |
        • Kev

          Doris,
          How doesn't it jive with Devin's beliefs?

          November 16, 2013 at 11:40 am |
        • Doris

          Good point, Kev. That was not my intent, but I see how it should have been clearer. devin's concepts in that post most likely work fine from a Christian perspective. I was trying to point out that he left out possibilities that others may consider that are in between those concepts and the specific Christian God.

          November 16, 2013 at 11:56 am |
        • truthprevails1

          devin: It is a good thing that your version of morality is not what laws are based on...we can thank the Secular World for that.

          November 16, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
    • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson rebukes Richard Dawkins

      No, we can't and shall never. It causes great harm, and we have seen that when "good" stops challenging "evil", evil thrives.

      November 16, 2013 at 8:41 am |
      • Robert Brown

        Isaiah 5:20
        Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

        November 16, 2013 at 9:17 am |
        • truthprevails1

          Your point in posting that dribble is????

          November 16, 2013 at 9:26 am |
        • sam stone

          isn't that sweet?

          robbie here ate a bible and now he is p-o-o-ping out quotes

          November 16, 2013 at 10:11 am |
        • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson rebukes Richard Dawkins

          Robert, So, I see we're in agreement. Woe unto them that call evil good and good evil. To that I will say, "Amen."

          November 16, 2013 at 10:26 am |
    • sam stone

      denying others equal rights makes one a bigot

      doing it because of your "moral absolutes" makes you a pious bigot

      but a bigot nevertheless

      November 16, 2013 at 8:50 am |
      • devin

        I realize it is rather en vogue to sling around the term " bigot" these days, but doing so only displays ignorance.

        November 16, 2013 at 9:17 am |
        • truthprevails1

          And you judging people based off of a 2000 year old book that has never been updated doesn't show ignorance??? You wishing to deny others equal rights based solely on that book is bigotry no matter how you may wish to spin it!

          November 16, 2013 at 9:25 am |
        • devin

          Truth

          If on some level it makes you feel better to believe what you've written, I have no objection.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:31 am |
        • sam stone

          really, d-bag?

          what DO you call denying people their civil rights?

          November 16, 2013 at 11:40 am |
        • truthprevails1

          devin doesn't care about the rights of others...he thinks him and his imaginary friend have it right and if you disagree with him he calls you immoral, yet he supports the bible-the greatest source of immorality. Oh well, he can have his trailer and his bible belt...soon enough he will be of the minority and the world will be a better place

          November 16, 2013 at 12:24 pm |
    • N8

      I'm confused.. Are you saying Christians are not judgmental?! Give me a break

      November 16, 2013 at 9:01 am |
      • devin

        No need to be confused, it's not rocket science, what I said I meant and it's relatively straight forward.

        November 16, 2013 at 9:28 am |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          devin, you want to hold bigoted ideas without being labeled a bigot because your bigotry has its roots in a myth/cult. While we're at it, should we go ahead and allow muslim su.ic.ide bo.mb.ers the moral right to do their work because it is for their myth/cult? Your stance implies we should.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:41 am |
        • devin

          Captain

          Your username betrays you. You OBVIOUSLY have not comprehended what I've written. If you also wish to resort to the bigotry mantra, that is your right. Wrong, but your right.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:56 am |
    • midwest rail

      " Granted, there will always be the small percentage of true h o m o phobes who use their faith as a vehicle to spread hate, but that is the fringe.."
      Possibly the funniest post this month.

      November 16, 2013 at 9:04 am |
      • devin

        Glad I was able to provide you with a little levity. Nonetheless, still true.

        November 16, 2013 at 9:06 am |
        • truthprevails1

          Not at all true. You started with the assumption that LGBT are doing something wrong when in fact studies done within the last decade prove you wrong. Straight people give birth to LGBT children. You're a bigot.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:17 am |
        • devin

          Yes, you are correct, that is precisely my assumption. No, I'm not a bigot, we just differ in this area of moral truth.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:25 am |
        • truthprevails1

          There is nothing moral about you wishing to deny someone equal rights based off of your book! You are a bigot regardless of what you think. LGBT do not make a choice any more than you make the choice to be hetero or AtheistSteve makes the choice to be left-handed. Read something other than a 2000 year old book...perhaps something written within the last century or better yet decade.
          Btw: If one of your children were to tell you they love someone of the same gender, how would you handle it???

          November 16, 2013 at 9:35 am |
        • Cpt. Obvious

          So, your argument only applies if the person judging you to be a bigot is not doing so from their own "moral truth," right?

          November 16, 2013 at 9:45 am |
        • devin

          To your question of how I would handle the scenario with one of my children. Honestly, I would beat them with a 2×4 and then disown them !!! ( I'm kidding). In actuality, I would express to them in no uncertain terms why I would not approve of their choice, although it would not catch them by surprise. It would have absolutely zero impact on my love for them or my support in their life. I would approach this no different than if one of my children were in an adulteress relationship.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:49 am |
        • Charm Quark

          devin
          So where is the Christian moral absolute? Does it not change over time? Your adulteress daughter would have been rightly stoned to death in one era, should your gay son, although still loved by you, be reviled by others as you revile those that are not your own? And yet you cannot see the bigotry, much like the gay lobby in the Vatican are such hypocrites.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:59 am |
        • devin

          Charm

          You've answered your own question with the term "CHRISTIAN moral absolute" Attempting to impose Levitical law on Christian faith is wearisome, although many try.

          November 16, 2013 at 10:06 am |
        • Colin

          Well, you can't have it both ways. Either you strictly follow the morality of the Bible or you don't. IF you say you are an "absolutist" based on the Bible, you have to pick up all of the outdated morality – slavery, murder, genocide etc. If you want to pick and choose, then your morality is NOT based on the Bible, it is based on whatever internal criteria you are using to select those parts of Biblical morality you do follow (e.g. 10 comandments) and those you don't (e.g. stoning adultesses).

          November 16, 2013 at 10:14 am |
        • Charm Quark

          devin
          I got that phrase from your original post. "The vast majority of Christians believe in moral absolutes..." You are not walking the walk, you are backing away form your original post hypocrisy or cowardice?

          November 16, 2013 at 10:15 am |
        • devin

          Colin

          You are missing the element of fluidity in the biblical narrative. It is not always static. Let me illustrate. A significant portion of the Old Testament described the animal sacrificial system. They were killing animals left and right for the atonement of their sins. Fast forward into the New Testament where we are told that the blood of animals can never take away sin and that God is not pleased with sacrifice. Did the reality of sin or the need for atonement ever change? No. Only the vehicle by which it was accomplished changed. This is the case with moral absolute truth. Was adultery as wrong in ancient Summeria as it is in contemporary North America? Yes. Does the Christian faith teach us to stone violators? No. And it's a good thing because in practice I've been faithful to my wife for 25 years but in theory ( my mind) I haven't. Jesus never differentiated between the two.

          November 16, 2013 at 10:31 am |
        • Charm Quark

          devin
          No answer!!! Why am I not surprised, you bring up the idea of Christian moral absolutes and do not respond when challenged. Grow a pair, you need them to have children.

          November 16, 2013 at 10:48 am |
        • devin

          Charm

          Actually, I did answer, it was just not the one you had hoped for. Also, it would serve you better to leave the ad hominems at the door.

          November 16, 2013 at 11:05 am |
      • midwest rail

        No, not true.

        November 16, 2013 at 9:07 am |
    • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson rebukes Richard Dawkins

      And, by the way, the percentage is large, which has been reflected in many laws throughout the country.

      November 16, 2013 at 9:07 am |
    • lol??

      Why are the A&A's so bigoted and afwaid of Jesus??

      Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

      November 16, 2013 at 9:10 am |
      • truthprevails1

        No fear of something that can't be shown to exist. Go ask the nurse for your meds!

        November 16, 2013 at 9:18 am |
        • lol??

          Martyrs exist. You are a martyr bigot using Obamascare as a weapon.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:28 am |
        • truthprevails1

          You are off your meds apparently and need them ASAP.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:31 am |
    • lol??

      Jhn 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

      The mockers come for the show and gamblin'. Mob power!!

      November 16, 2013 at 9:14 am |
    • lol??

      Two parts cut off.
      A)salvation
      B)show
      C)gambling

      Pick any two.

      November 16, 2013 at 9:26 am |
    • Roger that

      So everyone should sit quietly while your crowd exercises its version of "morality"? Let me guess, you're ancestors were slave owners?

      November 16, 2013 at 9:26 am |
      • lol??

        Are any blacks carrying on your family name?? That's love and love of merciful people.

        November 16, 2013 at 9:32 am |
    • Colin

      Can we put aside this frivolous notion that Christians are being"judgmental" because they object to integration on moral grounds? Granted, there will always be the small percentage of true racists who use their faith as a vehicle to spread hate, but that is the fringe.

      The vast majority of Christians simply believe in moral absolutes, of which the inferiority of blacks is one. Society/individuals make moral judgments everyday, whether against murderers, adulterers, pedophiles, etc.., it is just a matter of who picks the poison . So, in the interest of integrity, disagree with our moral conclusions, but don't define it as " judging others", it only amplifies your hypocrisy.

      Having a baseless prejudice against any group in society IS a form of prejudice, whther or not you try to justify it by claiming the sky-fairy you believe in has the same prjudice and dictates that you do.

      November 16, 2013 at 9:49 am |
      • devin

        Colin

        You make it too easy. Your false assertions "of which the inferiority of blacks is one" " because they object to integration" detract from your argument . I did, however, find that peculiar parody to be a little amusing.

        November 16, 2013 at 10:50 am |
        • Ed

          Ask Colin what he thinks about Germans and Russians. His post history indicates that he is quite the little bigot.

          November 16, 2013 at 5:51 pm |
    • sam stone

      Murder, r-a-p-e, pedophilia, etc are harming others

      Being gay is not

      your claim of "not judging" is bulldroppings

      November 16, 2013 at 10:05 am |
    • tallulah13

      When your "morality" is based on old stories and not on reality, then your "morality" is not relevant.

      November 16, 2013 at 10:35 am |
      • lol??

        Evolution is an old story based on a reality of bein' VERY OLD. Hardly any scripture to it. Aren't you glad Jesus came in the nick of time at the last moment??

        November 16, 2013 at 10:49 am |
  5. lol??

    Once delivered, no new and improved.

    Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

    November 16, 2013 at 8:23 am |
  6. One one

    What happens at the climax of an exorcism?

    November 16, 2013 at 8:19 am |
  7. lol??

    God is triune. Creation reflects that. Marriage reflects that.

    Zec 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

    Marriage:
    A)God, man, woman
    B)church, (false prophet), man, woman
    C)gubmint (beast), man, woman

    November 16, 2013 at 8:03 am |
    • midwest rail

      Nonsense. Contemporary Christians never complained about "government" being in the marriage business until equality began to creep in.

      November 16, 2013 at 8:06 am |
      • lol??

        Prove it. BTW, what is a contemporary Christian?? You makin' some new and improved kind of division??

        November 16, 2013 at 8:19 am |
        • midwest rail

          What is a "socie" ? And why would anyone respond to your questions when you never answer those posed to you, unless the response is a non sequitur ?

          November 16, 2013 at 8:21 am |
        • lol??

          Nonsense. Contemporary socie thought.

          Christians live in an environment of a lot of hot air and it blows.

          Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

          November 16, 2013 at 8:37 am |
        • midwest rail

          "...unless the response is a non sequitur ? "
          I rest my case.

          November 16, 2013 at 8:50 am |
        • lol??

          It was in the coffin before you exposed it. EEeeewww, corruption.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:01 am |
  8. Reality # 2

    Satan is the demon of the demented and said archbishop obviously is demented as are all who believe in this inanity !

    November 16, 2013 at 7:58 am |
  9. lol??

    Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

    Until the mobster pharisees from the Crips and Bloods parties took over. Why the gays want a license from Sodom is sign of their being lost. There is no upside for marriage for a man in Russia or FUSA (former).

    November 16, 2013 at 7:47 am |
    • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson rebukes Richard Dawkins

      You know, I truly feel sorry for you, because you are really, really lost, and I think you'll live a tormented life. It's a real shame.

      November 16, 2013 at 7:54 am |
      • lol??

        Don't waste any fake emotion on me.

        November 16, 2013 at 8:14 am |
        • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson rebukes Richard Dawkins

          Honestly, I do, because I can see some signs of real, internal turmoil, and if I placed myself in that same situation I would feel truly miserable. That's how I can relate to you, and how I am able to feel sorry for your suffering.

          November 16, 2013 at 8:26 am |
        • lol??

          Maybe instead of focusing on common feelings you should take a look at common salvation. When you die two parts will be cut off and your spirit will be all that's left of body, soul, and spirit. You don't want to be naked, a common nightmare. Put on Christ.

          November 16, 2013 at 8:50 am |
        • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson rebukes Richard Dawkins

          I'm not talking about Jesus right now, I'm talking about you and your suffering. They say the biggest test is how we behave when no one is watching, and from what I see there's some real turmoil churning inside. Get help.

          November 16, 2013 at 8:57 am |
        • lol??

          Oh, oooohhh. Here come da spirit of Obamascare!!

          November 16, 2013 at 9:05 am |
  10. Colin

    This delusional simpleton would be mere comic relief but, for a very disturbing fact. Not all of the US public is smart enough to dismiss the ranting idiot. There are, literally, millions of people in the USA who believe in God, the devil and demonic possessions. Many of them are parents with gay kids. He has likely given thousands of parents another reason to disdain [or worse] their gay kids.

    November 16, 2013 at 7:28 am |
    • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson rebukes Richard Dawkins

      I recently read approximately 40% of the homeless are LGBT. That is shocking, and a real red mark against those parents calling themselves "Christian." Another example of hate the sin and the sinner.

      November 16, 2013 at 7:42 am |
    • Colin

      Yeah, can you imagine being hated and disdained by you own parents for something you had no control over. I have never in my life heard of a young kid say, "I choose to attracted to the same se.x." with all the familial and social approbrium that that can attract.

      November 16, 2013 at 7:45 am |
      • lol??

        Well bwain sucker??

        November 16, 2013 at 7:48 am |
      • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson rebukes Richard Dawkins

        Yeah, it makes no sense, and when religious parents are confronted with this issue, I imagine a couple of things (among others) happen: they torture their child (and themselves) because of their religious beliefs, or they read about it, come to understand it, and love their child for who their child is.

        November 16, 2013 at 7:52 am |
      • truthprevails1

        I was asked one day how I would react if my daughter said she was a lesbian, I find the answer rather simple-nothing would change. The person who asked the question has not talked to us again.
        I would love to hear how these christians who are so against it would handle it. Topher's wife is pregnant and he has evaded answering the question.

        November 16, 2013 at 8:21 am |
        • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson rebukes Richard Dawkins

          Yeah, many people face this, and not just the parents, but the extended family and friends as well. I know a family that went through this but without the struggle. They are not as religious now because of the Church's stance, but their extended family came in with full support. They even hesitated to tell a couple of family members about the upcoming marriage because those two were so devout, but the great thing is that even they came around. And that's one, huge, Catholic extended family. The meaning of true love is being pondered by many due to situations such as this, and is putting an end to such hatred...except where the fundies thrive in their cloistered ignorance.

          November 16, 2013 at 8:36 am |
        • lol??

          "...................nothing would change................" You don't know that and you are only fantasizing about the state of yer heart in the future.

          Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

          November 16, 2013 at 8:56 am |
        • truthprevails1

          I do know that. My love for my child is unconditional and as long as she is happy, so be it.
          You're a fool if you think that scripture actually proves anything.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:07 am |
        • lol??

          You could actually pick up any newspaper.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:36 am |
  11. AvdBerg

    Exorcism will not work!!

    For a better understanding of the history of the Roman Catholic Church and the spirit the hierarchy serves (Luke 9:55), we invite you to read the articles 'Papal Infallibility, Contradictions and Spiritual Blindness', The Mystery Babylon', 'Popes and the Princes of This World' and 'Shroud of Turin a Hoax', listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

    All the other pages and articles listed on our website explain how and by whom this whole world has been deceived as confirmed in Revelation 12:9, and what mankind must do to be reunited with the true and living God.

    November 16, 2013 at 6:51 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      "Exorcism will not work!!"

      Of course not. But not for any reasons your version of faith might suggest.
      It will not work because evil spirits don't exist..

      November 16, 2013 at 6:58 am |
      • AvdBerg

        @AtheistSteve

        We invite you to study what it means to be a sinner and how to overcome it.

        November 16, 2013 at 7:08 am |
        • Mirosal

          The thing to overcome is "god". Gods are very fragile things, and can be killed off quite easily. Just ask Zeus, Apollo, Thor, Odin, Isis, Osiris, Ra, and any of the other 10,000 gods that man has worshiped. No one goes to those temples anymore, they are dead gods. Stop believing, and they fade away. Yours will too, in time.

          November 16, 2013 at 7:13 am |
        • AvdBerg

          @ Mirosal

          Wrong!! There is none other name under heaven, other than the name of Jesus Christ, whereby man(kind) must be saved (Luke 4:12). the major problem is that people worship an image of a false god and a false Christ (Matthew 24:24).

          See, and ye shall find (Matthew 7:7).

          November 16, 2013 at 7:19 am |
        • truthprevails1

          AvdBerg: How do you figure my husband is a sinner?? He's not a believer in that fiction, thus he is not a sinner. He makes mistakes but that doesn't equate to sin. In fact you are dead wrong in your judgement of this good man. By judging him you have gone against your imaginary friend...it is your hell, you enjoy it!

          November 16, 2013 at 7:21 am |
        • AtheistSteve

          Your invitation is an empty offering. Sin doesn't exist. There isn't a god to offend.

          November 16, 2013 at 7:21 am |
        • AvdBerg

          @ truthprevails1

          Sin is not an 'act' as you by nature have been conditioned to believe. It is the fruit of the 'natural body'.

          Seek, and ye shall find (Matthew 7:7).

          November 16, 2013 at 7:29 am |
        • truthprevails1

          AvdBerg: I know exactly what sin is and it is strictly biblical, it does not pertain to anything in the real world! Try not being such an arrogant ass here and pretending to be an authority on something you're not. You think we're wrong for not believing in something that there is zero evidence for and pointing us to your bible proves nothing more than the fact that you are not capable of thinking for yourself. You have no way of knowing if your god exists, any more than anyone else who believes does.
          Could you live a moral life without that book?

          November 16, 2013 at 7:38 am |
        • AtheistSteve

          Wrong.
          Sin is by definition the defiance of God's will. No God means no such thing as sin. Spin your story however you wish but you're not going to evade that basic premise.

          November 16, 2013 at 7:40 am |
        • AvdBerg

          @ truthprevails1

          There are those that will attest that the Gospel we preach is the same Gospel that was preached of Christ and the Apostles. It is not after man or were we taught it but by revelation of Jesus Christ (Galatians 1:12).

          You are correct in this 'Religion' is a deception but so is 'Atheism'. The Gospel of Christ denounces all religions. This is how the whole world has been deceived as confirmed in Revelation 12:9.

          Please refrain from calling people names. It shows poor character.

          November 16, 2013 at 7:46 am |
        • AvdBerg

          @ AtheistSteve

          It is not a story but rather the Truth; whom the world cannot receive (John 14:17). There is a natural body and a spiritual body (1 Cor. 15:44).

          Seek, and ye shall find (Matthew 7:7)

          November 16, 2013 at 7:51 am |
        • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson rebukes Richard Dawkins

          @Adverg – And which version of the Gospels would that be? They've been revised many times, with some extraordinary changes in meaning.

          November 16, 2013 at 7:56 am |
        • AtheistSteve

          "You are correct in this 'Religion' is a deception but so is 'Atheism'"
          Wrong again. Don't you ever get tired of spewing lies? Atheism isn't a deception. It's the natural conclusion in the face of a complete lack of evidence to the contrary. The Gospels are simplistic religious propaganda. Jesus didn't write a word of it and neither did any of his Apostles. It doesn't matter who "attests" to their veracity the fact remains that 1st century Palestinian clerics opinions aren't worth the paper they're written on. Ignorant, primitive, stupid ideas are all they entail.

          November 16, 2013 at 8:00 am |
        • truthprevails1

          AvdBerg: You called my husband a sinner, so please refrain from judging people-that shows poor character and yet again you prove that you are not capable of thinking for yourself. Stop quoting scripture as if it were the truth when it can easily be shown not to be. I previously asked if you were capable of living a moral life without that book and you, as you usually do, evaded the question. If you can't live without the book you're not a moral person to begin with!

          November 16, 2013 at 8:05 am |
        • AtheistSteve

          "t is not a story but rather the Truth; whom the world cannot receive (John 14:17). There is a natural body and a spiritual body"

          It never ceases to amaze me at the blatant dishonesty your posts exhibit. You haven't even approached providing any solid reasoning beyond claiming that the words you spew from Gospel are anything near the truth. Just bald assertion. And where do you get any justification in claiming the existence of a spiritual body? More bald assertions. Your house of cards lacks a foundation. The Bible is baloney and you're a fool to think it's anything more.

          November 16, 2013 at 8:09 am |
        • AvdBerg

          @ AtheistSteve

          The Word of God is true in all things, even when it records that you would not believe if one rose from the dead (Luke 16:31).

          The problem is that the natural man (like yourself) is not able to understand it as it is mere foolishness. 1 Cor. 2:14. For this reason do we preach Repentance to all of mankind (including atheists). It means to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God (Acts 26:18). Without the Baptism of Repentance (Mark 1:4) you will remain spiritually blind.

          November 16, 2013 at 8:20 am |
        • truthprevails1

          AvdBerg: Wow, you are very ill informed and uneducated. We know that the bible is written by man, there is no evidence of any divine inspiration behind it. Quoting scripture doesn't prove a thing..it is not evidence for your god. The argument you put forth is better known as the Argument from Authority

          (a.k.a. , argumentum ad verecundiam, The Bible proves God exists, Begging the question, Circular reasoning, Tautology.)

          Premise:

          God is real because the Bible (or whatever sacred text you believe in) says so. Why would so many people write so much about God if it wasn't true? What about all the miracles that were "documented" by historical writers? There is too much evidence here to dismiss.

          Critique:

          This argument depends upon a presupposition, that the "authority" being referenced is accurate or legitimate. That remains to be seen. Any critical examination of sacred texts such as the Bible clearly show it to be riddled with inaccuracies and contradictions. Using the Bible as any authoritative reference is dubious at best. Since most of these scriptures are the de-facto, almost exclusive evidence of God's existence, using them as a reference amounts to a circular argument. Christians point to the numerous "eye-witness accounts" of Jesus' resurrection in the Gospels as "evidence" that this really happened. But the gospels themselves are riddled with contradictions, and were written decades after the events supposedly took place. It's not unreasonable to consider many of these sources unreliable. You could likewise argue that the overwhelming amount of literature making reference to vampires proves they are real characters that truly do or did exist. Or maybe not. Maybe Jesus, like Count Dracula, Zeus or Santa Claus, was simply a popular mythological figure about which people made up stories?

          It's worth noting that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is another manufactured myth which relies on the Argument from Authority, by claiming certain substantiating references are indeed authoritative, when in reality, they are just arbitrary claims. In time, no doubt, as more people embrace the amusing notion of FSM, we'll begin seeing them use the Argument from Popularity as well.

          November 16, 2013 at 8:26 am |
        • AtheistSteve

          "The Word of God is true in all things"

          Where is this supposed "Word of God"? All you have are texts written by men. That's it. The leap you make in claiming these words are from God is unfounded and your fervent belief adds nothing to it's veracity. You've made a choice to believe in something without justification and try to bolster those beliefs with peer written testimony. If a God had wanted to convey a message to all mankind it would be clear to all and beyond dispute. But that isn't the case therefore your God is either an incompetent boob or non-existent. Since your God is supposedly perfect only the latter case applies. Your brainwashing has robbed you of the capacity to discern reality from fiction. Save your breath in trying to point me or others like me to heed your unfounded advice. The only thing you will elicit is our pity at your foolishness.

          November 16, 2013 at 8:45 am |
        • AvdBerg

          @ AtheistSteve,

          The men that wrote the Bible were Holy men inspired by the Spirit of God and that mankind is unable to understand without the process of repentance (1 Cor. 2:14). Please study what it means to repent as it means a lot more than what by nature you have been conditioned to believe.

          http://WWW.AWORLDDECEIVED.CA

          November 16, 2013 at 9:11 am |
        • AtheistSteve

          "even when it records that you would not believe if one rose from the dead"

          Of course it would say that. Rising from the dead is impossible. Why do you believe it's true? Have you seen people rise from the dead? Has anyone?
          No. All you have is story written in a book of religious propaganda(Bible). Written by men with a vested interest in gaining converts, decades after the death of Jesus, who were not eyewitnesses to the supposed event. Hearsay isn't evidence of anything and the sheer unbelievability of the tale makes it even less likely to have occurred. What makes you so certain your zombie story is true when every indication points to it being completely false? Knowledge is defined as justified true belief. While you may maintain your belief the lack of justification robs you of any claim of knowledge. Thus you cannot claim to know what you believe is true. It's as simple as that.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:16 am |
        • AtheistSteve

          "The men that wrote the Bible were Holy men inspired by the Spirit of God"

          Another of your unjustified claims. Why should anyone believe it? You make proclamations without basis in fact or evidence. Why were just these men granted inspiration and not the rest of us? Clearly your God isn't interested in gaining the support of us all. Your Bible tells you these men were inspired but we remain in your circular argument. Scripture is unconvincing except to the faithful and therefore your God is incompetent at getting his message across. Why are you so oblivious to the holes in your logic? Your God is a figment of your imagination as well as the imagination of other like-minded individuals if the main criteria for belief is belief though faith. Faith is the excuse given when no sound reasons exist.
          You post a lot of references to scripture as evidence when scripture is a pitiful example of factual evidence. Anecdotes and hearsay are a poor source for valid information. If you are unable to support your many claims without referring to the Bible then you're just blowing smoke.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:33 am |
      • AvdBerg

        @ truthprevails1

        Sorry to have repeat myself, but unless you repent the Bible will remain just a story book to you and you will never be able to understand it as confirmed in 1 Cor. 2:14. We invite you to study what it means to repent as it means a lot more than what by nature you have been conditioned to believe.

        November 16, 2013 at 8:32 am |
        • truthprevails1

          AvdBerg: I have nothing to repent for....it is your god, not mine and not that of 5 billion people on this planet-what exactly makes the 2 billion of you who believe in this world so special? You have nothing to support your claims outside of the bible and the bible doesn't point to anything outside of the fact that you are truly gullible and don't care. Stop judging people and stop sounding like you are righteous when quite apparently you are no better. Most of us were once believers, so we happen to understand the book also...stop trying to sound like you're an authority on it when you're not.

          November 16, 2013 at 8:38 am |
        • Youtube - Neil DeGrasse Tyson rebukes Richard Dawkins

          @Adverg – And which version of the Gospels would that be? They've been revised many times, with some extraordinary changes in meaning

          November 16, 2013 at 8:49 am |
        • AvdBerg

          @ truthprevails1

          Always remember: the truth will prevail, even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive (John 14:17).

          November 16, 2013 at 8:56 am |
        • truthprevails1

          AvdBerg: Speaking to walls is not something I enjoy and that is what speaking to you is like. Stop quoting scripture-it proves nothing! You are no convincing anyone...all you do is prove you are not capable of thinking for yourself or capable of living a moral life without it-pathetic and immoral.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:09 am |
    • Science Works

      AvdBerg

      No need to go there , why can't you ask the talking donkey ?

      November 16, 2013 at 7:54 am |
      • AvdBerg

        @ Science Works

        So does God's healing power. For twenty nine years the sign of God's healing power has followed us for twenty nine years (Matthew 10:8).

        http://WWW.AWORLDDECEIVED.CA

        November 16, 2013 at 8:07 am |
        • truthprevails1

          Why are you stealing advertising from CNN? Isn't one the commandments 'thou shall not steal"? You really are no better than any of us.

          November 16, 2013 at 8:15 am |
        • AvdBerg

          @ truthprevails1

          You are using the Blog to spread your message, and so do we. Why do you have a problem with that? Unfortunately you are not able to receive or understand ours (John 14:17; 1 Cor. 2:14).

          November 16, 2013 at 8:23 am |
        • truthprevails1

          What message would that be? Am I sending someone to a personal website? Once again, what exactly do you think you prove by quoting scripture??

          November 16, 2013 at 8:34 am |
        • AvdBerg

          @ truthprevail1

          We quote Scripture to show you that it is not us that speak but the Spirit of our Father. The Word of God is God (John 1:1) and is not to be discerned (2 Peter 1:20).

          November 16, 2013 at 8:59 am |
        • AvdBerg

          @ truthprevails1

          Science Works (see message below) quoted a website. Why do you not reprimand him? It just confirms that you are unable to accept the truth.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:05 am |
        • midwest rail

          Nice try, Andy. He gave that site as a citation, not as advertisement. But you already knew that, and continue to justify stealing advertising.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:06 am |
      • Science Works

        AvdBerg

        Receive this, nothing but the truth no gods/devil exorcisms required.

        “This is bigger than finding any dinosaur,” Chatterjee said. “This is what we’ve all searched for – the Holy Grail of science.”

        Thanks to regular and heavy comet and meteorite bombardment of Earth’s surface during its formative years 4 billion years ago

        Paper No. 300-5: Impact, RNA-Protein World and the Endoprebiotic Origin of Life https://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2013AM/webprogram/Paper222699.html

        http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131029133124.htm

        November 16, 2013 at 8:39 am |
        • AvdBerg

          @ Science Works

          We invite you to read the article 'Creation' listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

          The article will teach you something about Science and God.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:01 am |
        • Science Works

          No thanks Adam and his rib bone does not work.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:10 am |
        • AvdBerg

          @ Science Works

          It is not about Adam and his rib. Don't comment about what people write or what they preach, unless you search what doctrines they preach first.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:27 am |
        • Science Works

          And morals/ethics do not come from the silly bible.

          Moral in the Morning, but Dishonest in the Afternoon

          Oct. 30, 2013 — Our ability to exhibit self-control to avoid cheating or lying is significantly reduced over the course of a day, making us more likely to be dishonest in the afternoon than in the morning, according to findings published in Psychological Science, a journal of the Association for Psychological Science.

          http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131030093144.htm

          Thanks by the way midwest rail citation noted !

          November 16, 2013 at 9:32 am |
      • AvdBerg

        @ midwest rail

        Ours is not an advertisement but rather a citation. Being on the CNN Blog has not sold one book but has brought many people to our website. We are not on the Blog to generate revenue. In twenty nine years of service we have never solicited, requested or received a penny. It is not nice to falsely accuse people (Matthew 5:10-12).

        November 16, 2013 at 9:18 am |
        • midwest rail

          "...s a form of marketing communication used to encourage, persuade, or manipulate an audience (viewers, readers or listeners; sometimes a specific group) to take or continue to take some action. Most commonly, the desired result is to drive consumer behavior with respect to a commercial offering, although political and ideological advertising is also common. "
          Your form of advertising is quite common, Andy. Justify it any way you wish, you are still advertising your site for ideological reasons. No commercial intent required. Steal away, Andy, steal away.

          November 16, 2013 at 9:31 am |
        • AvdBerg

          @ Midwest rail

          Well spoken. That is exactly what all atheists and ho.mo.se.uals do on this Blog. Perhaps it is CNN that does not want the truth to be heard. Please consider reading the article 'CNN Belief Blog' on our website.

          November 16, 2013 at 10:46 am |
  12. midwest rail

    The church and its hierarchy abdicated the moral high ground long ago. This is just more distraction/diversion from their own abysmal failure responding to the abuse scandal in an appropriate fashion.

    November 16, 2013 at 6:38 am |
  13. Don Piano

    Oh Long Johnson

    OOOOOHHHH DON PIANOOOOOO

    WHY I EYES YA

    November 16, 2013 at 3:22 am |
    • tallulah13

      All the livelong day.

      November 16, 2013 at 9:47 am |
  14. Patrick

    Who performed public exorcisms when priests across the globe were caught raping and molesting helpless children? Their brethren helped them cover up their crimes and keep their jobs. This man is a parody of himself.

    November 16, 2013 at 2:54 am |
  15. Bob Bobson

    Aren't priests supposed to be married to Jesus?

    How is that not gay?

    November 16, 2013 at 2:28 am |
    • sam stone

      it is a celibate arragement

      November 16, 2013 at 8:57 am |
  16. Creepy Guys With Big Hats

    Seriously though.

    How gay is this priest's outfit?

    November 16, 2013 at 2:27 am |
    • Eric

      It is quite fabulous!

      November 16, 2013 at 4:08 am |
  17. Weird Guys With Big Hats

    Exorcism?

    I thought priests were already getting plenty of exercise by chasing little boys around the back rooms of the church.

    November 16, 2013 at 2:25 am |
  18. devin

    Perhaps when the good bishop is finished in Illinois, he can perform a neurological exorcism on the masses here who have been possessed with the demon of naturalism.

    November 16, 2013 at 1:31 am |
  19. Surprise!

    My question is: why does there need to be an afterlife to make this one meaningful? Why must we go on forever to be useful?

    November 16, 2013 at 1:13 am |
    • sam

      Huh. Well, I guess it's a matter of 'nothing I do here and now counts unless it carries over somewhere' which is a human way of trying to matter. Are we getting super philosophical this late?

      November 16, 2013 at 1:18 am |
    • fred

      Absent an eternal record or record keeper there will be a time when your existence is no longer evident. At that point you never existed. Given you know you exist (or think you do) it is impossible that at some time you never did exist. One of the two positions is dead wrong. I suggest you go with what you know not what you do not know. Do it while you have time to repent.

      November 16, 2013 at 1:21 am |
      • Doris

        fred: "there will be a time when your existence is no longer evident. At that point you never existed. "

        how do you figure that, fred?

        November 16, 2013 at 1:24 am |
      • Sara

        If I build a house it always existed?

        November 16, 2013 at 1:24 am |
      • fred

        Doris
        Sara
        If you build a house we know that in a few billion years there will be nothing left of our planet. With no eternal being or some eternal record there will not be a memory or evidence of any kind of a house. The house never existed period.

        This house that your mind tells you about has physical presence tied to your cognitive awareness. If you die and our planet (which we know will happen) gets vaporized in the sun there is no trace of you, your awareness or the house. You and your house cannot both exist then non exist. There is only one possibility you never existed or you continue to exist.

        November 16, 2013 at 1:33 am |
        • Doris

          fred: " You and your house cannot both exist then non exist."

          Well of course not at the same time. And I'm assuming, that when you say "you", you are talking about your self-awareness and not the remains of your physical body. So with those assumptions, why can't you exist, and then upon death, not exist?

          November 16, 2013 at 1:45 am |
        • Doris

          Are you over at Pat Robertson's house by any chance, fred?

          November 16, 2013 at 1:50 am |
        • fred

          Doris
          No, I am with Harold Camping computing the exact time your awareness and your house never existed.

          November 16, 2013 at 2:01 am |
        • Science Works

          fred

          Do not forget to let the DOG(s) out fred.and do not forget the harry sun and that ONE video you posted from the ICR what a JOKE.

          Dogs Likely Originated in Europe More Than 18,000 Years Ago, Biologists Report

          Nov. 14, 2013 — Wolves likely were domesticated by European hunter-gatherers more than 18,000 years ago and gradually evolved into dogs that became household pets, UCLA life scientists report.

          http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/11/131114142134.htm

          Humans best friend fred and the REPORT made to the LOCAL level news cast.

          No god(s)/devil required.

          November 16, 2013 at 6:15 am |
        • N8

          What are you talking about? Just because something doesn't exist anymore doesn't mean it NEVER did. Take a moment and THINK. The dictionary defines never as "at no time in the past or future; on no occasion; not ever." My grandpa passed away in 2009 but that doesn't mean I NEVER HAD ONE.

          DUH

          November 16, 2013 at 9:24 am |
        • fred

          N8
          No, if there is no record, entity, awareness, God (or however you prefer to call it) at a future point of mans existence man did NOT exist.. Without validation you cannot claim existence. Take the atheist position that you cannot prove God therefore God does not exist. If you cannot prove man then man does not exist. Atheists cannot have it both ways.

          November 16, 2013 at 7:16 pm |
        • Joey

          And people say Christians are stupid.

          November 18, 2013 at 1:40 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      There is no need for eternal life to make living meaningful. Sam Harris pointed this out as being the Christian equivalent of a software glitch. Why must something/anything persist forever to give it meaning? fred is conflating the concept of infinity with existence. By his reasoning the entire universe is non-existent since it has a beginning and conceivably an end. On an infinite time scale any finite period of time, no matter how large , is effectively zero by comparison.
      Of course he's wrong. A parent holding their infant child is experiencing a meaningful moment. At some point, without realizing it, will occur the final time that they pick up and hold their child. Just because it ends doesn't negate the meaningfulness of the previous experiences.

      November 16, 2013 at 6:26 am |
  20. Kevin

    If Satan does exist and is behind gay marriage, then he's certainly more fair than God and more concerned for the happiness and well being of others. Satan was probably behind anti-slavery laws (Exodus 21 7-11), women's suffrage (Timothy 2:11-15), and civil and human rights too (Chronicles 15:13), seeing as God was on the wrong side of those issues as well.

    November 16, 2013 at 1:03 am |
    • sam

      Well...this is my favorite post ever. (Sorry AB)

      November 16, 2013 at 1:04 am |
      • Sara

        yep, high on my list as well.

        November 16, 2013 at 1:06 am |
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