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December 2nd, 2013
11:29 AM ET

Rush Limbaugh: Pope is preaching 'pure Marxism'

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN) - Pope Francis:  Successor to St. Peter ... the people's pontiff ... Marxist?

That's what conservative radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh suggests, calling the Pope's latest document "pure Marxism."

Limbaugh blasted the pontiff on Wednesday, a day after Francis released "Evangelii Gaudium" (The Joy of the Gospel), a 50,000-word statement that calls for church reform and castigates elements of modern capitalism.

Limbaugh's segment, now online and entitled "It's Sad How Wrong Pope Francis Is (Unless It's a Deliberate Mistranslation By Leftists)," takes direct aim at the pope's economic views, calling them "dramatically, embarrassingly, puzzlingly wrong."

The Vatican issued the English translation of "Evangelii," which is known officially as an apostolic exhortation and unofficially as a pep talk to the worlds 1.5 billion Catholics.

Francis - the first pope ever to hail from Latin America, where he worked on behalf of the poor in his native Argentina warned in "Evangelii" that the "idolatry of money" would lead to a "new tyranny."

The Pope also blasted "trickle-down economics," saying the theory "expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power."

READ MORE: Pope Francis: No more business as usual

The Pope's critique of capitalism thrilled many liberal Catholics, who have long called on church leaders to spend more time and energy on protecting the poor from economic inequalities.

But Limbaugh, whose program is estimated to reach 15 million listeners, called the Pope's comments "sad" and "unbelievable."

"It's sad because this pope makes it very clear he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to capitalism and socialism and so forth."

In fact, Argentina was a battlefield between leftist socialists and right-wing security forces during much of Francis' early career in the country, where he was a Jesuit priest and later archbishop of Buenos Aires.

Limbaugh, who is not Catholic, said he admires the faith "profoundly."  He admired Pope Francis as well, "up until this," Limbaugh said.

The talk show host also said that he has made numerous visits to the Vatican, which he said "wouldn't exist without tons of money."

"But regardless, what this is, somebody has either written this for him or gotten to him," Limbaugh added. "This is just pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the Pope."

Limbaugh took particular issue with the Pope's criticism of the "culture of prosperity," which the pontiff called a "mere spectacle" for the many people who can't afford to participate.

"This is almost a statement about who should control financial markets," Limbaugh said. "He says that the global economy needs government control."

"I'm not Catholic, but I know enough to know that this would have been unthinkable for a pope to believe or say just a few years ago," Limbaugh continued.

In fact, Francis' predecessor, Benedict XVI, now pope emeritus, could be just as strong a critic of capitalism.

In 2009, Benedict, in an official church document called an encyclical, said there was an urgent need for "a political, juridical and economic order" that would "manage the global economy."

As Limbaugh notes, Benedict's predecessor, the late Pope John Paul II, was a noted foe of communism, after living under its oppressions in his native Poland. But even John Paul thought that unregulated capitalism could have negative consequences.

In "Evangelii," Francis called for more of a spiritual and ethical revolution than a regulatory one.

"I encourage financial experts and political leaders to ponder the words of one of the sages of antiquity: `Not to share one’s wealth with the poor is to steal from them and to take away their livelihood. It is not our own goods which we hold, but theirs,'" said Francis, quoting the fifth-century St. John Chrysostom.

Liberal Catholics defended Pope Francis on Monday, calling on Limbaugh to apologize and retract his remarks.

"To call the Holy Father a proponent 'pure Marxism' is both mean-spirited and naive," said Christopher Hale of the Washington-based Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good. "Francis's critique of unrestrained capitalism is in line with the Church's social teaching."

Limbaugh is not the only conservative commentator to take issue with the Pope's views on capitalism.

READ MORE: Sarah Palin 'taken aback' by Pope Francis's 'liberal' statements

“I go to church to save my soul," said Fox News' Stuart Varney, who is an Episcopalian. "It’s got nothing to do with my vote. Pope Francis has linked the two. He has offered direct criticism of a specific political system. He has characterized negatively that system. I think he wants to influence my politics.”

It doesn't sound like the criticism is slowing Francis down, however. He's started sending a Vatican contingent, including the Papal Swiss Guards, into Rome to deliver food and charity.

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Belief • Catholic Church • Christianity • Church and state • Ethics • Media • Money & Faith • Pope Benedict XVI • Pope Francis

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  1. nathanmentley

    So, Wait, The Pope is a Marxist?

    I guess that kind of makes sense... Wasn't Jesus a socialist?

    December 2, 2013 at 11:55 am |
    • Wittenberg

      Jesus was not a socialist. Socialism is government controlled wealth redistribution. Jesus taught voluntary help for those in need.

      December 2, 2013 at 11:59 am |
      • misterflibble1

        I think someone needs to read up on what Socialism actually is and stop listening to AM Talk Radio and Fox News.

        December 2, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
      • cedar rapids

        jesus was as socialist as they come.

        December 2, 2013 at 12:03 pm |
        • ThomasR

          Wrong.
          Capitalism:
          As you sow, so shall you reap.

          December 3, 2013 at 11:09 am |
      • awasis

        Jesus preached about the evils of the love of money. Our economic system is based on the love of money. There is no way Jesus would support this system. Therefore in the eyes of people like you, anyone that does not support this current system would be a socialist. Didn't Jesus depend on others to support him? He didn't have a job.

        December 2, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
        • andy

          Jesus did have a job, he was a carpenter.

          December 2, 2013 at 1:02 pm |
        • Thinker...

          Andy,

          Not in the last years of his life; he wasn't a carpenter when he was going around preaching. I don't think that carpenters of the time made enough money to retire early either (or retire at all for that matter).

          December 2, 2013 at 1:56 pm |
        • To Thinker

          He did not retire early. He died on the cross for our sins. He did'nt head down to Florida and buy a condo by the water.

          December 2, 2013 at 2:07 pm |
        • Doug

          No where does it say that Jesus was a carpenter. He was a carpenter's son and it's assumed he learned the trade, but it's only an assumption. His father may have died before training him, it's not known.

          December 3, 2013 at 1:26 pm |
      • Lucille

        Also some people are poor as a result of their lifestyle. But if they lived right, they would have means and substance.

        December 2, 2013 at 2:12 pm |
        • IBeWhoIBe

          How very Calvinist.... O wait, the Pope is Catholic, they don't do that whole "wealth is a sign God loves you; if you're poor it's because God doesn't like you" thing.

          December 2, 2013 at 2:54 pm |
        • Zoey

          Absolute nonsense. The cycle of poverty is hard to break without outside help. Have you paid any attention at all to urban schools who are unable to give their children the necessary education because they don't have the funds that suburban (read wealthier) schools receive.

          Furthermore, your ignorance regarding this matter is part of the problem.

          December 2, 2013 at 4:15 pm |
        • cacique22

          Lucille, you're a genius...NOT!

          December 3, 2013 at 3:59 am |
        • Dee Jude

          Zoey, you are absolutely right. It takes generations to overcome poverty without outside help. It's also one thing to rise above poverty, and another to rise above an environment that is full of gun violence, drug dealers and other obstacles that make poverty look like a low end hurdle.

          December 3, 2013 at 8:04 pm |
      • Wauwatosa Man

        uh......Jesus said a wealth man can get into heaven. there's nothing voluntary about that. Seems like it's mandatory that you give up your wealth before the gates are opened for ya

        December 2, 2013 at 3:59 pm |
        • Frank

          What you DID write is so wrong …. what I think you meant is "can't" (instead of can). Either way that's not how the saying goes – more like "it's harder for a rich man (to get into heaven) than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle". And remember, in Jesus' eyes anything is POSSIBLE – even a camel passing through the eye of a needle.

          December 2, 2013 at 9:33 pm |
      • Jim

        RUN to the nearest library and get a FREE card.

        December 2, 2013 at 6:22 pm |
      • Frank

        ummm – no. It's vested in the community as a whole, not the government. Not agreeing or disagreeing – just pointing out the definition.

        December 2, 2013 at 9:28 pm |
      • DaWatcher

        Actually you're wrong. The church is the means through which the poor are cared for and giving your share to the Church was not voluntary. Read Acts 5:1-11 where God strikes down a couple for keeping some of their money and not giving it all to the Church.

        December 2, 2013 at 9:47 pm |
        • Walter Johnson

          FYI, they died because they lied to the Holy Spirit, by saying they were delivering all the money they had received for selling their home as they promised they would, when really they had sold it for more money, and they were keeping some back. It was their money, and they could have given and kept any amounts they wanted and they would have been alright. That they chose to lie about it was what cost their lives.

          December 5, 2013 at 1:25 am |
      • Rose

        I love how you fundamentalists rewrite history to suit your own selfish agenda. Be ashamed of yourself. You're going to hades.

        December 3, 2013 at 10:25 am |
    • Andrew

      Luke 18:25 – For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

      December 3, 2013 at 9:10 am |
    • jr

      Funny how this story is only on cnn. I have not heard a word of it on any other tv station.

      December 3, 2013 at 11:37 am |
    • Southern Celt

      If the Pope is a Marxist, then Rush Limbaugh is a Nazi. Can anyone truly claim that capitalism hasn't run amok and social justice has suffered? Evangelii Gaudium called for a renewal of faith in the Gospel and opposes the idolatry of money at the expense of the poor. If people are poor, stop outsourcing their jobs, invest in businesses so they can get jobs, improve their education, and stop forcing healthcare they can't afford down their throats.

      December 3, 2013 at 3:16 pm |
  2. Rosa Birmingham, AL

    What an idiot. Doesn't he know Jesus was a socialist.

    December 2, 2013 at 11:55 am |
    • Jodeo

      No, Rose, Jesus was not a socialist. "My kingdom is not of this world." He did not come to set up a system of government, nor to prescribe one. He came to acknowledge that, without God's plan, we are all doomed after this life. Jesus was 100% non-political. If anything, he taught that INDIVIDUALS need to take care of the needs of others, NOT GOVERNMENTS. Deferring one's God-given responsibilities to a governing body is counter to the teachings of Christ.

      December 2, 2013 at 2:39 pm |
      • dodiny

        Well we see how well that has worked, haven't we. You are twisting scripture.

        December 2, 2013 at 2:41 pm |
        • mm

          They are not twisting scripture. Christ condemns sloth. Sloth is one of the deadly sins. Christ did not preach socialism. He preached self sufficiency and differentiated between the poor and the ignorant.
          Proverbs 10:4 NIV
          Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth.
          1 Thessalonians 4:11
          And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you; ... from the King James Bible

          December 2, 2013 at 3:27 pm |
        • graylin1016

          "They are not twisting scripture. Christ condemns sloth. Sloth is one of the deadly sins. Christ did not preach socialism. He preached self sufficiency and differentiated between the poor and the ignorant.
          Proverbs 10:4 NIV
          Lazy hands make a man poor, but diligent hands bring wealth.
          1 Thessalonians 4:11
          And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you; ... from the King James Bible"
          I can also quote Bible verses that say the exact opposite
          Mark 12:41-44
          Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.
          Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”
          Luke 12: 16-21
          16 And he told them this parable: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded an abundant harvest. 17 He thought to himself, ‘What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops.’
          18 “Then he said, ‘This is what I’ll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store my surplus grain. 19 And I’ll say to myself, “You have plenty of grain laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.”’
          20 “But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?’
          21 “This is how it will be with whoever stores up things for themselves but is not rich toward God.
          Luke 18: 19-25
          “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 20 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’[a]”
          21 “All these I have kept since I was a boy,” he said.
          22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

          23 When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was very wealthy. 24 Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! 25 Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
          So though Proverbs preaches about diligence bringing wealth and Paul writes about working, Jesus preaches selflessness and needed to give all that one has to follow him. The Bible can be weird and to selectively quote it to try to prove a point doesn't usually yield much

          December 2, 2013 at 3:57 pm |
      • CamDen1

        We are supposed to use Christ as an example of how to behave. He clothed the poor, fed the hungry, and healed the sick. Mainly, he preached against the EVIL OF RICHES!!!! If that isn't a philosophy for a political blue map then I don't know what is. You are a hypocrite if you can teach your children to treat others as you would want to be treated only to vote against equal protection of rights. You are a hypocrite for using Christ to teach your children to help the poor, feed the hungry, and heal the sick, only to vote against welfare, food stamps, and other social services. Christ had compassion and he would want us to show compassion for the less fortunate. The way that you twist your morality so that it only personally applies to you and not your influence on our governing body is astonishing. You are pathetic, immoral, and you seem very confused. If a big book of black and white can't tell you how to be a good person, things for you are hopeless.

        December 2, 2013 at 3:04 pm |
        • chuckt20

          Jesus said we are to provide and not the government. Wake up you idiot! remeber that the government is suppose to be seperated from religion right? Talk about hypocrisy, we are to follow his teaching in government regulation..Hmmm....The government and the lieberals want you to belive we dont need christ. We should all do our part and help others, but that should be done through the Church. It can start with the vatican and the Pope himself.

          December 2, 2013 at 4:02 pm |
        • kodster

          "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." I'd much rather teach a man to fish and be self-sufficient, rather than enable him to be a lazy man who sucks the life out of others to support him.

          December 2, 2013 at 4:05 pm |
        • ajk68

          Christ mainly preached of the evil of sin.

          Riches are not evil, in fact they are good. What is evil is attachment to riches. Jesus never castigated anyone for being rich, but rather for not using them to the glory of God.

          December 2, 2013 at 4:37 pm |
        • Khyliene

          Let's not forget, Jesus was rich, himself. So being rich isn't a sin. Being greedy is a sin. Being stingy is a sin. Loving money as if it is your god, is a sin. Don't be so hasty in your anger. It only leads you to your own destruction.

          December 2, 2013 at 5:02 pm |
        • Georgia from Pa

          Finally!!! Someone with some good old common sense posts a few intelligent comments. Way to go!!!! Think about running in 2016- we could use a good man/woman in the tawdry world of politics.

          December 2, 2013 at 5:41 pm |
      • brian

        Everyone has to pigeon hole everything right and left, black and white, and if you are not for the big corporations you are against them. What is going on where we have slave labor making iphones in china, is not exactly capitalism.

        You cannot choose to serve both mammon and god but have to pick one, this is quite contrary to pure capitalism. Yet he also told a parable about 3 servants who had to spend money, which is quite capitalist. He also quite clearly states that if you are rich, it's very hard to get into heaven – which kind of makes him not on the side of wall street.

        Capitalism is a practical means to manage economic activity, which is imperfect and does not ensure people are civil to each other, nor does it prevent abuses like slavery and near slavery. To say it needs regulation is actually right out of Adam Smith, it does not mean every thing rich people do is right, that is called an oligarchy.

        December 2, 2013 at 3:51 pm |
        • llmb

          I don't think the parable of the servants was actually about money.

          December 2, 2013 at 5:48 pm |
        • Rose

          Won't these so-called "good Kreestians" be surprised when they awake after death to find themselves in the fiery depths of hades? I'd love to see the look on Limbaugh's face.....

          December 3, 2013 at 10:28 am |
      • Brrryce

        Somebody beat me to it. I was going to remark on the absurdly twisted "reasoning" you display. Non-political Jesus? You're either ignorant or lying. Rome was a powerful GOVERNING presence in Jesus' time. He DEFINITELY had political thoughts. And, governments are formed by people, so to absolve governnents (although to be accurate, we are talking economic systems) is a dodge. What you are doing, Jodeo, is what all right wing religious folks do – fudging the facts to try to defend the indefensible.

        December 2, 2013 at 8:13 pm |
      • dcase20

        Socialism for Jesus Christ's sake, is an economic system and has nothing to do with government. Social ownership of the means of production can take MANY forms and yes ONE of those forms is state ownership. It also could mean that the town owns the power plant, or yes, god forbid, a group of investors owns a factory. Maybe, just maybe the employees are the group of investors who OWN the factory.
        People on this site who purport to be so informed who don't even know the definition of something they rail so hard against will never cease to amaze me. Don't be so afraid of ideas. Carl Marx was a philosopher, not a politician. He actually meant you no harm and was in fact trying to figure out a better way to have an economy so you could have a better life.

        December 2, 2013 at 11:13 pm |
      • Robert Constant

        This is the Gospel according to Rush Limbaugh AKA SATAN

        December 3, 2013 at 7:42 am |
      • Doug

        Firstly, you guys on the right have little idea what socialism really is, or that its forms are legion. And not all forms of what the word refers to are the evil socialism of your right-wing fantasies.

        Secondly, under the way those of you on the right use the word, Jesus WAS socialist and so were his 12 disciples. Have you read Acts? Yes, they gave up their own property for the sake of everyone else, nothing was regarded as "mine". And when someone hid some money and kept it as "mine" Peter supposedly condemned them to death on the spot.

        And if you pay attention, it wasn't just about providing for others as it was about not being attached to your possessions. Your own wealth and possessions aren't really yours in the early Christian view, anyway, and YOU didn't earn them. YOU didn't build that. God did. You are still just an unworthy servant at best (Jesus' own words).

        And that is a point to be made today. We are in this together. TOGETHER.

        It is NOT about individuality, it is about losing your individuality. "He who finds his life shall lose it." You become a great person, you accomplish great things and amass wealth–you are lost according to Jesus. You are lost because you are wrapped up in YOU. You don't acknowledge that YOU didn't really DO any of it, therefore you mock the ONE that does it and you put yourself in that place.

        True Christianity and GOP views are in truth extremely at odds, which is another one of those amazing things about politics and the GOP today and the religious Right that lines up with them.

        It'd be comical if it wasn't so ugly.

        December 3, 2013 at 1:39 pm |
        • Walter Johnson

          Doug when you say "...it's about not about individuality.." what are you really talking about? Jesus came to save us, as individuals and only individuals. No one will be saved because they attended a certain church, but because they accept the free gift of God, everlasting life, through Jesus Christ as Savior. We are not saved together but individually.
          I agree that religious politics on the right are as opposed to Jesus' teachings, as were the Jewish leaders teachings in Jesus days on earth. They are self centered and propose to set up God's kingdom in this sinful world by forcing people to abide by their erroneous understanding of what the bible teaches.
          We may all be on this planet together, but in the book of Revelation God calls us out of apostate Christianity, in ch. 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
          We must come out of the darkness individually into God's glorious light.

          December 5, 2013 at 2:02 am |
    • Jesus

      Yep, I gave out free food and health care and preached that the rich should give more to the poor.

      December 2, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
      • Doug

        So basically, Obama has been Christ-like in his views, but the GOP (Scribes and Pharisees) condemn him and call him a hated Marxist.

        That about sums it up.

        December 3, 2013 at 2:12 pm |
    • ThomasR

      NO.
      Capitalism:
      As you sow, so shall you reap.

      Socialists hate Jesus. Socialist kill Christians and burn bibles. Non-Christians call Jesus a Socialist.

      December 3, 2013 at 11:14 am |
      • Doug

        "As you sow, so also shall you reap" is not about Capitalism. That's Karma. Your doing comes back on you. If you do good, good comes back. If you do bad, bad comes back. Karma certainly governs Capitalism, but it governs EVERYTHING, so it's not really right to say it speaks directly to Capitalism. In literal terms it's a reference to farming. Farming predates capitalism by what? Millions of years? You plant corn, don't expect watermelons to sprout up. And if you don't plant much, don't expect much to grow.

        We plant seeds with our actions. The manner in which we planted them and what we planted will be reflected when we experience the fruit of our actions.

        We can see this with the parable of the sheep and the goats.

        The Goats on the left were told what? Jesus had been hungry, but they did not feed him. He had been thirsty but they did not give him a drink. He had been naked, but they did not clothe them. He had been in prison, but they did not visit him. When had they not done these things for Jesus? when they did it not to the LEAST of these.

        The Sheep on the other hand, fed him, clothed him, watered him, and visited him by doing so to the Least of these.

        Their actions were the determining factor. What they had sown. The goats had sown their own individuality and non-concern for others. The sheep were more concerned for others than themselves. The goats sowed contempt and practiced willful ignorance of those in need. The sheep sowed acts of kindness and giving.

        December 3, 2013 at 2:32 pm |
      • Doug

        Socialists hate Jesus? Firstly, Marx was not one of those socialists you are referring to. You are referring to cold-war Russian communists, the only ones that did any such thing–and that was in Russia under the KGB. Marx would have had nothing to do with Russians and their way of practicing communism. That was after the system had already long become corrupt. Corruption is a human trait that seeps into any form of government or rule. We have our share of it in our wonderful system, if you haven't noticed.

        Get to know words and meanings beyond the surface. Don't just react to buzz words for the rest of your life like Pavlov's dog. Question. Investigate. Educate yourself.

        December 3, 2013 at 7:38 pm |
        • Doug

          And by the way, the Russians persecuted ALL religions and many forms of politics, so don't go thinking it was just a Christian thing.

          December 4, 2013 at 11:01 am |
  3. scott

    i hope the conservative catholics now see rush limpdick for what he is a blowhard. pope francis is a marxist??? no sir, the pope is just continuing the message of jesus, take care of the poor

    December 2, 2013 at 11:55 am |
    • Ed

      Jesus told each individual it was their individual responsibility to take care of the poor. Jesus did not get into governments or economic systems – just the individual and THEIR soul. Jesus never told Rome or ceaser to make the world "fair".

      December 2, 2013 at 1:46 pm |
      • Live life to the fullest

        In Jesus' time society was very different from today. Yes he admonished individuals to take care of the poor. In his day this might have been possible.

        Given our complex and large country I see those individual efforts supporting the overall objective but I think that a larger and more effective player is valuable – government.

        Jesus only told us to help the poor. He did not say how that was to be delivered. I suggest we identify the best and most consistent way to help the poor. It is one thing for a church, synagogue or mosque to hold a fair where they give clothing, etc. to the poor. But that is not sustainable to a regular, dependable check.

        December 2, 2013 at 2:34 pm |
      • CamDen1

        Jesus' main concern was the evil of riches and jesus' main works were healing, clothing and feeding the poor. If those aren't political acts in the face of tyranny, then I don't know what is. Christians can't justify a personal code of ethics against a lack of a code of economic ethics. If you believe in Christ, you will be judged for your lack of empathy. Also, if you believe in Christ, the poor guy spent years toiling over his teachings, trying to educate you, trying to leave a lasting word for generations to read and learn from and here you are twisting and convoluting it to the point that you can keep food from the hungry, keep clothes from the poor, and keep healthcare from the afflicted and still call yourself a Christian? I guess a virgin birth isn't the only crazy thing a Christian can convince himself of.

        December 2, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
        • ajk68

          Your last sentence shows your true disdain for Christianity.

          December 2, 2013 at 5:29 pm |
        • dreamduster

          Silly misunderstanding of the Gospels. Jesus never advocated TAKING from the rich for the purpose of redistributing it to the poor. That act would totally negate the meaning of Christian charity. You're doing God's work by voting for Socialist (Democrats) so they will take the fruits of one man's labor, to give to someone who didn't work for it? Is that what you mean? That's simple mindedness personified.

          December 2, 2013 at 5:34 pm |
        • Doug

          Amen! Preach it! 🙂

          December 3, 2013 at 6:49 pm |
      • Robert Constant

        What a Rush Limbaugh Crock. Individuals can do God's work in many ways. One of them is through humane economic policies of the government.

        December 3, 2013 at 7:44 am |
      • Doug

        "Jesus told each individual it was their individual responsibility to take care of the poor."

        Citation?

        Jesus didn't teach individuality, he taught the sacred art of losing your individuality. He taught giving it up entirely by means of perfect surrender. "Not my will, but Thine be done." "Deny yourself." "Give all your possessions to the poor." "He who finds his life shall lose it."

        If the Roman solder asked you to bear a load for a mile (as was the law of the land), Jesus said to go with them for 2 miles. If someone asked for your coat, he said to give them your shirt also.

        No one seems to realize that the point was not even taking care of the poor. It was one aspect, but the real reason to be this way is for the state of your own soul. Greed is poison. Selfishness is poison to the soul.

        December 3, 2013 at 7:10 pm |
        • Gavin

          From your comments I assume you know little to nothing of the governmental system of the first century. Are you aware that Pilot was returned to Rome and likely executed for excessive cruelty during his reign in Israel? Killing tens of thousands for failure to pay enough taxes? Government at that time was more brutal than ANY Government of the modern age including Stalin AND the Nazi's. Did the Government in the end NOT crucify Jesus??? Comparing the ancient word to the modern world is the height of stupidity.

          The teachings of Jesus cannot be valuable in todays world without the modification of how they are applied. In the first century you could survive as a handiman. Just ask the father of Jesus, Joseph, who did so. We no longer live in that world in most modern countries. A small community of 100 or so families could easily identify the poor and as a group care for them. To build a poor man a home in the first century would cost the community a few hours work from half the community. Today there are mortgages, property taxes, and building codes. Helping the TRULY needy requires more than Church good will and charity. It requires state sponsored assistance.

          December 15, 2013 at 3:32 am |
  4. tony

    True Christianity is Marxism! Wow Conservatives, gets your act in order if you wanna go to heaven later.

    December 2, 2013 at 11:54 am |
  5. rtkMD

    Keep that pie hole flapping, Rush, all the way to the bank! Too good!

    December 2, 2013 at 11:54 am |
    • Robert Conway

      yep !!!! Limbaugh makes over 7 million a year and his net worth of over 370 million. !!!!! You know he will do anything possible including shooting his fat mouth to protect his fortune while others suffer. Good luck for him getting through the "pearly gates".

      December 2, 2013 at 6:08 pm |
  6. ego_death

    Can someone ask Rush if he thinks Jesus was a capitalist? Its nice to see someone of faith practicing the golden rule... If everyone helped those less fortunate than themselves this would be a much better place...

    December 2, 2013 at 11:53 am |
    • igaftr

      That's funny...the Buddha taught that very thing 400 years before your god was created.

      December 2, 2013 at 12:00 pm |
      • Third Eagle of the apocalypse.

        Buddha wasn’t the first ether. But you know people and their idols.

        December 2, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
      • Robert Constant

        There is more agreement than disagreement between the great religious thinkers of the world.

        December 3, 2013 at 7:45 am |
    • As-if

      Actually Jesus was a carpenter, but maybe he found it too hard to compete in the marketplace so opted instead for an evangelical career, where he guilted people into provided for him without the need to labor for it. Looking back, maybe it was a bad career move for him in the end.

      December 2, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
      • musings

        It all depends whether it's a good career move to have started a business with thousands of franchises all over the world and be remembered in the prayers of billions of people two thousand years later. I suppose you would consider the early test pilots who created our air travel as total failures too.

        December 2, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
  7. marmot83

    Why does anyone care what Limbaugh says?

    December 2, 2013 at 11:52 am |
    • Roger in AZ

      Why does anyone care? Maybe this long winded voice is right sometimes? He is funny sometimes too, if you can laugh at things. I remember "1000 day left! America Held hostage" during the Clinton years. I liked Clinton at that time but that is funny stuff. Another thing, he is correct about some of his facts too. You may hate him, he is self serving no doubt, but he is right about some things. Hew calls Obama a socialist. Let's fact check, His father, well known Communist. His mother who raised him, VERY VERY strong Communist. HIs closest friend and collagues at Harvard. Communist. So, yes, Going only so far as to call Obama a Socilist is probably right on.

      Now, we can go down the page of facts:

      Obamacare: Will be the biggest failure and lead to massive destruction of this government. It will take us over the edge of the government overspending. 17 Trillion will become 22 trillion. Nothing can stop that now. He has said these things, and he is right. Get over it. These are just plain facts. We are at 17 trillion in debt and Obama is directly the cause (not the only cause, we can blame Bush the idiot too for the first 8-9 Trillion, but Obama is doing it twice as fast. Bush Jr. was the one that gave a green light to crazy spending that has to stop and will because the money will run out.)

      Bengahazi: Obama and his crew have covered this up, made stories up, and no one but Fox news has kept this story alive. It was covered up most likely because there was a reason. A REASON! Guns to Syria, LIbiya and other places and they were working with who? Yep, Al Qaeda. This is no longer speculation. But let;s just cover it up. Let's not quote anyone. Let's just ignore everything in Benghazi.

      IRS: Wow, he called the IRS out for targeting the Tea Party groups for tax free exemption. He was right too. They (The IRS) have come under fire and were caught red handed. Yea, he is a liar there? Nope. He was right again.

      Global Warming: Ooops. It is actually cooling now. The ice caps grew 15 feet thicker in the last decade. Hmmm. He seems to have gotten that one right too! Temperatures are actually down in the last 5 years all over the world. Carbon has nothing to do with any of this. Yep, he was right about that as well. Quack science of the libs doesn't work in the real world.

      We can go on and on with certain facts like these, but there is no need to do that. We know that Rush may not be the most lovable, handsome, smart, or even of the greatest moral character. But, BUT, he is right on some important facts and he gets it right pretty early on too. Like it or not. He does. That is why tens of millions watch him. He does make some valid points worth hearing.

      December 2, 2013 at 3:21 pm |
      • greg

        writing a long blog does not make u smart. on the contrary u are a moron

        December 2, 2013 at 3:25 pm |
        • Ved

          There is more truth in your one sentence than there was in that other guy's essay... Sounds like the guy was overcompensating.

          December 3, 2013 at 4:20 pm |
        • Gavin

          Rush is a moron. He is the conservative equililant of Jon Stewart. If you are liberal you like Stewart even though he is without doubt a brain dead idealog. If you are conservative you like Rush even though he is a paranoid fat drug addict who makes a living telling the rich they are the ones being persecuted.

          Perhaps BOTH sides need to stop listening to morons and form opinions based on personal research. here are a few points...

          Obama is NOT a communist or a socialist. He is a moderate liberal whose WORDS pander to the left but actions are less leberal. His healthcare plan IS a mess and will likely be changed dramatically over the next decade to make it functional but in the end our healthcare system is BROKEN and needs to be fixed.

          Global warming may or may not be caused by man. In the end America cannot fix it regardless. MOVE ON. We are heading AWAY from the last ice age and it WILL get warmer until we start approching the NEXT ice age. Stop screaming carbon footprint and start adjusting to the climite that is on the way!

          All the Obama scandal talk is garbage. They do it to EVERY president. From Nixon to Obama name a President that wasn't subjected to this? From lewinski to the IRS it's fodder for the PRESS not for me and you.

          December 15, 2013 at 3:48 am |
      • greg

        Ok now i got thru the rest of ur rant, verdict- u big moron. Every single thing u say rush is right on is wrong. Climate change is over? Benghazi cover up for weapons to Al Qaeda?- sounds a bit like iran-contra but ok. Bush starts war in iraq that obama voted against n now his adding to debt obamas fault? ok. You present yourself as someone who takes what a drug riddled, uneducated former 'morning zoo" disc jockey says lightheartedly, but ur truly brainwashed. Let me guess you are 40 -60 year old white, nothing wrong =w being white, u just moron too

        December 2, 2013 at 3:32 pm |
      • The Real Tom Paine

        Based upon your comments, its clear that you are more than just a caual listener to the Oxycontin addict from Cape Girardeau. Its also clear that the depth that you have delved into the subjects you describe only proves that you are a well trained parrot. I alwys remember Rushy saying to people that he would do their thinking for them: well, it seem like you took that literally.

        December 2, 2013 at 4:53 pm |
      • sqeptiq

        Roger: Facts and your opinions are two different things.

        December 2, 2013 at 6:55 pm |
      • pal

        Easy to see who you worship. You worship Rush Limbaugh. You are a sad soul. There is nothing funny about evil. Rush is evil and you glorify it. Of course, you won't be able to see this.

        December 3, 2013 at 12:22 am |
      • Doug

        A broken analog clock is right twice a day, so that Limbaugh occasionally has a point (buried in histrionics as it may be), shouldn't be too amazing.

        Yet then you go on to list a bunch of right-wing rhetoric non-sense and you illustrate just how poison Rush and those like him are when received by people who believe it hook, line and sinker.

        December 3, 2013 at 6:54 pm |
  8. tony

    I bet Rush repudiates the unchristian marxists pope's position on ab*rtion and same sox marriage too?

    December 2, 2013 at 11:52 am |
    • Norm

      And I bet liberals are much more on board with the Church's positions on abortion, gays, etc now that the Pope says you should more of other people's money.

      December 2, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
      • The Real Tom Paine

        this is not about welth redistribution, you idiot: its about addressing the consequences of having a capitalist system, something Francis had first hand experience with, and Rush did everything to ignore or ridicule.

        December 2, 2013 at 4:55 pm |
        • sqeptiq

          Rush is addicted to straw men.

          December 2, 2013 at 6:58 pm |
  9. manhandler1

    What is sad and unbelievable is that 15 million people actually listen to this fat, drug addicted, fowl mouthed blowhard.

    December 2, 2013 at 11:52 am |
    • tony

      Stop saying such nice things about Rush. He's much worse than that.

      December 2, 2013 at 11:53 am |
    • musings

      I think I know what Rush's secret is: elderly deafness combined with the need for adrenalin rushes in the bored and bed-ridden – that's who tunes in to him. They cannot understand anything more subtle if it's audio.

      December 2, 2013 at 1:20 pm |
    • Norm

      There's way more than 15 million Catholics.

      December 2, 2013 at 1:27 pm |
      • Doug

        Try 1 Billion.

        December 3, 2013 at 7:12 pm |
  10. Kristin

    If Limbaugh hates someone, the person must be a great individual..

    December 2, 2013 at 11:51 am |
  11. Greg

    The right pretends to be religious for votes only. They are everything that Christianity is not.

    December 2, 2013 at 11:51 am |
    • Third Eagle of the apocalypse.

      I respectfully disagree. Christianity is a fait based religion. Faith is the belief without proof (look it up if you must). It’s pretty much the ant!theses of fact and reason. Are you really suggesting that the republicans are actually a reasonable and fact based group? Ha!

      December 2, 2013 at 12:00 pm |
      • ajk68

        Faith is another way of knowing other than physical sense. It is eminently reasonable and based on fact. It is based on the testimony of someone who is credible.

        It is only recently that mankind has been sold this idea that the only true form of knowledge is that which can be empirically measured.

        December 2, 2013 at 5:40 pm |
        • sqeptiq

          We're still waiting for the "facts" on which your faith is based.

          December 2, 2013 at 7:19 pm |
  12. rahul

    "I think he wants to influence my politics.”

    because conservatives have never tried to link their religion to public policy or their politics. never.

    December 2, 2013 at 11:50 am |
    • That's What Jesus Would Do

      Reading this article, I thought I would have a clever comment about the arrogance of these right wing nuts but I don't believe I can say it any better than you did.

      December 2, 2013 at 11:57 am |
      • Exodus

        I am really beginning to believe that Rush and his Kotch Krotch zombie horde do not see the hypocracy of their positions.

        It seems like they are really living in a self contained bubble of dogma that has no relation to reality.

        A bubble fed by fear, uncertainty and doubt with a generous sprinkle of hatred to give that koolaid just the right color: The color of money.

        The flav

        December 2, 2013 at 12:11 pm |
        • GOP_R_Traitors

          Actually, Next Rush will pronounce that the Pope has a WAR on Christmas (capitalism style.)

          December 2, 2013 at 12:30 pm |
    • calamity jane

      Never.

      December 2, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
    • dt

      Haven't you heard, Conservatives are so desperate they're trying to get the sheep to believe capitalism is above God. This will go over well.

      December 2, 2013 at 1:43 pm |
    • Jennifer

      Of all the dumb things Limbaugh has said, that had to be the worst!

      December 2, 2013 at 2:04 pm |
  13. Steve

    So when was Rush ever not an idiot and sewing the seeds of deviousness? Good drive another nice wedge in your party.

    December 2, 2013 at 11:49 am |
  14. Grumpster

    I'm an atheist and find that if Rush can say such nasty things about him....this new pope is not so bad then. Rush, on the other hand, is a complete and utter nincompoop.

    December 2, 2013 at 11:49 am |
  15. Little Billy Thompson

    I'm so sick of all of you. You republicans that are overly religious and force your views on others. The democrats that want to take my money and tell me what I can and can't say. Both, who want to tell me what I can and can't put into my body.

    December 2, 2013 at 11:48 am |
    • Third Eagle of the apocalypse.

      That is why being an independent is the only reasonable choice imo. Political parties are for sheep.

      December 2, 2013 at 12:02 pm |
    • Sean

      Children never want to be told no. It is natural to want to be totally free of restriction, responsibility, or consequence. That is why rules and laws are established, and usually the elder among us are put in charge, both in individual terms and macro terms. This is to curb youthful ambition and recklessness for the better of the family, nation, or planet (depending on what scale you choose to look at).

      Children have this same problem, but by sheer force and dependence on parents they have no choice. In most cases their will is broken and over time they mature and wisdom towards the 'big picture' takes over. They have families of their own and feel the need of sacrifice for those close to them, even if not for their nation or mankind overall, and the cycle continues.

      The problem at macro levels comes from 3 basic issues: 1) There is no 'parental force' that we are dependent upon or can force our hand. They would be dictators and far more likely to be selfishly motivated than to be the Jesus, Ghandi, etc types of the world. In general, we allow religious concepts to take that role. 2) There is not a majority sense of empathy. Our care and sacrifice is usually limited to a small circle. Studies usually sight that we can only have strong connections to about 144 people. Those with 'macro empathy' have always been a minority of the population. We just aren't wired to be like Asian monks. 3) There's no external, visceral threat to unite us. Humans naturally divide themselves in times of prosperity, and unite in times of trouble. Families fight each other, until another family threatens. Nations do the same, and indeed humans would as a whole if faced with a global threat or if some alien intelligent species was discovered. What smart leaders understand is that that feeling can be manipulated, it does not have to be real. If we 'feel' prosperous, we will react as such, and if we 'feel' fear or threatened ... we will react in kind. Such are the paradoxes of human nature, and human governance.

      December 2, 2013 at 4:04 pm |
  16. Matt

    And Mr. Limbaugh, you are preaching hate.

    December 2, 2013 at 11:47 am |
  17. Madtown

    The Pope: "Who is Rush Limbaugh?"

    December 2, 2013 at 11:46 am |
    • tony

      Someone who thinks he's more godly than everyone else. Pray to him.

      December 2, 2013 at 11:49 am |
  18. Live4Him

    The Pope also blasted "trickle-down economics," saying the theory "expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power."

    Someone ALWAYS wield economic power in a society – regardless of whether it is a large group of individuals or one centralized government. I'd rather trust a large group than one entity.

    December 2, 2013 at 11:39 am |
    • Thinker...

      The problem is: that 'large' group pretty much controls the government. Unfortunately right now we have a government of the wealthy, by the wealthy, and for the wealthy (and special interests). A man like Abraham Lincoln could never become president today; he grew up poor. Part of that is how difficult upward mobility is these days. Another part is the smart people stay out of politics and work behind the scenes to get what they want rather than putting their necks out to run for office.

      December 2, 2013 at 12:26 pm |
  19. palintwit

    If Sarah Palin and her tea party patriots would just quit wearing those size 34 floppy clown shoes they would be able to take ballroom dancing lessons. And maybe tap dancing too.

    December 2, 2013 at 11:38 am |
  20. cedar rapids

    These conservatives all attacking the pope, its just a war on christianity, they just dont want to be held responsible for their sins so they reject it, etc etc etc.
    Those are the right sound bites right Limbaugh?

    December 2, 2013 at 11:33 am |
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