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Satanists want statue next to 10 Commandments
A Ten Commandments monument erected outside the Oklahoma state Capitol.
December 9th, 2013
01:46 PM ET

Satanists want statue next to 10 Commandments

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN) - Lots of lawmakers have been accused of devilish behavior, but Oklahoma's state capitol may become the first to actually have a monument to Satan.

If a New York-based group called the Temple of Satan gets its way, a statue of the Evil One would sit next to the recently erected 10 Commandments monument on state capitol grounds.

"They said they wanted to be open to different monuments," said Lucien Greaves, a spokesman for the Temple of Satan, "and this seems like a perfect place to put that to the test."

Greaves and some legal experts say the Constitution is clear: the government can't endorse one particular religion. So, if a state capitol has a monument to one faith, it must allow monuments to others as well.

The Temple of Satan is less a religious body organized around rituals and regular meetings than a roving band of political provocateurs, said Greaves. They believe Satan is a "literary construct," the spokesman said, not an actual being with horns and hooves.

Last year, the Temple organized a gay and lesbian kiss-in at the gravesite of the mother of anti-gay preacher and activist the Rev. Fred Phelps. It also held a rally at Florida's state capitol in support of a law that allows "inspirational messages" at public school assemblies.

"It allows us to spread the message of Satanism," which centers around respect for diversity and religious minorities, said Greaves.

Oklahoma legislators voted to erect the Ten Commandments monument in 2009, using private funds donated by Rep. Mike Rietz, a surgeon and Southern Baptist deacon.

Rietz declined to comment on the Satanists' proposal on Monday, citing an separate and ongoing dispute with the American Civil Liberties Union over the Ten Commandments monument.

Oklahoma state Rep. Bob Cleveland told CNN that he's not in favor of the Satanist's proposed statue.

"I believe that only monuments that reflect Oklahoma values should be allowed on capitol the capitol grounds," Cleveland said in an e-mail on Monday.

But if Christians and Jews can have their monument to the 10 Commandments, then Satanists must be allowed to erect their own statue, said Brady Henderson, legal director of the American Civil Liberty Union's Oklahoma chapter.

"We feel like the Satanic Temple has a very strong argument to say that, if the state allows one religious monument, you have to allow others," Henderson said.

Oklahoma's statehouse grounds already has monuments honoring its heritage and Native American history, said Trait Thompson, chair of the Capitol Preservation Commission.

"Individuals and groups are free to apply to place a monument or statue or artwork," Thompson said.

The commission then determines whether the proposal abides by its standards and votes on whether to approve it.

Greaves said he's received the required forms from Oklahoma's Capitol Preservation Commission and is working on a design that will meet its standards.

"We want something big and bold that will be able to stand up to the weather or whatever other kinds of assaults," that may target the monument, he said.

"My favorite idea right now is an object of play for children. We want kids to see that Satanism is where the fun is."

The Temple of Satan created a Indiegogo fundraising page on Monday, but have thus far only publicly raised $150 towards its goal of $20,000.

Not all Satanist groups see the fun in political provocations.

Magus Peter Gilmore, head of the Church of Satan, which was founded by Anton LaVey in 1966, said he believes in strict separation of church and state.

"Rather than placing multiple 'advertisements' for various religions, we think it best for the (10 Commandments) monument to be removed to private property and that there be no objects supporting religion of any sort placed on the statehouse grounds," Gilmore said.

Earlier this year, Gilmore's Church of Satan squared off against a British group of Satanists over abortion rights, after activists shouted "Hail Satan" to drown out anti-abortion activists at the Texas state capitol.

READ MORE: Satanists square off on abortion (Yes, really)

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Belief • Church and state • Culture wars • Devil • Satanism

soundoff (3,610 Responses)
  1. Mary

    Why wouldn't we want good people to have a statue instead of evil people?
    Why doesn't everyone agree that good is better than evil?

    December 10, 2013 at 7:32 pm |
    • Philip Douglas

      Why should my rights as a satanist be quashed? I'm not any more evil than Christians.

      December 10, 2013 at 7:37 pm |
      • Mary

        Why wouldn't you do what the Nazis did if given the opportunity to do so?

        December 10, 2013 at 7:44 pm |
        • Philip Douglas

          Why would I?

          December 10, 2013 at 7:46 pm |
  2. Topher

    Where do morals come from?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANSPIz4TMhw

    December 10, 2013 at 7:24 pm |
    • Simple

      http://www.wimp.com/trustmorality/

      If morality is soul and/or God derived then inhaling a chemical should have nothing to do with any moral outcomes, correct?

      December 10, 2013 at 7:28 pm |
      • Czar Chasm

        Not a single Christian willing to attempt to answer that question I see...

        December 10, 2013 at 7:54 pm |
    • Philip Douglas

      Okay. What dies this have to do with the topic of OK violating the Constitution

      December 10, 2013 at 7:30 pm |
      • Doug Phillips

        I say it is immoral to do that.

        December 10, 2013 at 7:37 pm |
        • Philip Douglas

          Immoral to do what?

          December 10, 2013 at 7:42 pm |
    • Mary

      Why would someone name their child Living Waters?

      December 10, 2013 at 7:34 pm |
      • Philip Douglas

        Why would someone name their child Jesus or Messiah?

        December 10, 2013 at 7:44 pm |
    • sam stone

      morals come from empathy, gopher

      morals come from a rational view of our actions on other people

      December 10, 2013 at 7:35 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      Please explain why morals are important. I am a nihilist and I disagree.

      December 10, 2013 at 7:39 pm |
  3. Satan is not a a true god at all

    I know that Satan is real. I had a friend who can tell about all the Satanism. It is real. Satan offers only Money, not a true happiness of life. But some people who love money are in. Finally, you will have to sacrifice all of you souls to the Devil. But commonly now they are trying to show you that their religion is great and simple. I must say it is not true. Jesus is more powerful, and savior who can gives you hope for eternity.

    December 10, 2013 at 7:10 pm |
    • Philip Douglas

      So? What does that have to do with OK violating the US Constitution?

      December 10, 2013 at 7:14 pm |
      • Topher

        What's been violated?

        December 10, 2013 at 7:17 pm |
        • Philip Douglas

          Do you know anything about the Constitution?

          December 10, 2013 at 7:20 pm |
        • Simple

          My rights as a U.S citizen have been violated along with everyone else as "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" is in our constltution. Oh wait, I guess you would also have to know how to read and understand the words that were put into the consltution more than 200 years ago to feel as if your rights were violated.

          December 10, 2013 at 7:23 pm |
        • Topher

          I don't see where a religion has been established. And if you want to argue church and state, that was established so that the government couldn't mess with religion.

          December 10, 2013 at 7:26 pm |
        • Simple

          Well regardless of how the simpleton Topher defines the establishment clause it is good to know that the law see's it as a protection of public governance from religion, not the protection of religion from governance. He can have his own opinion but little good that will do him as he has to stand next to the Satanists monument to get a glimpse of the ten commandments...

          December 10, 2013 at 7:32 pm |
        • Philip Douglas

          If they allow the other monument, there won't be any preference.
          Simple.
          Easy.
          And religion shouldn't mess with the government, either.

          December 10, 2013 at 7:34 pm |
    • Simple

      You know Satan exists like you know you're "cool". It's that feeling you get inside when you stand in front of the mirror repeating over and over "I'm cool, i'm cool, I know i'm cool, i'm so awesome, hopefully Mary will notice me, i'm so cool, so cool, so cool..."

      December 10, 2013 at 7:19 pm |
  4. Mary

    Why do Satanists want a statue next to the 10 commandments?

    December 10, 2013 at 7:08 pm |
    • Observer

      Mary the troll has FAILED again.

      December 10, 2013 at 7:10 pm |
    • Philip Douglas

      Because the Constitution says they can.

      December 10, 2013 at 7:10 pm |
      • Mary

        Why do Satantists want to get rid of the 10 commandments while putting in their own statue?
        Why do they want the best of both worlds?

        December 10, 2013 at 7:17 pm |
    • Simple

      Why do Christians want a statue of the 10 commandments? Not only do they not follow them all, most barely know them all...

      December 10, 2013 at 7:26 pm |
  5. Mary

    Why doesn't anyone ever answer my questions?

    December 10, 2013 at 7:03 pm |
    • Observer

      Fools NO ONE.

      OOOOOPS!

      December 10, 2013 at 7:03 pm |
    • Philip Douglas

      Why are you acting retarded?

      December 10, 2013 at 7:11 pm |
  6. Mary

    Why is it okay for atheists to say what's evil, quoting things from the Bible, but it's not okay for me to say that Satanists are evil?

    December 10, 2013 at 6:52 pm |
    • Philip Douglas

      Why do you keep asking the same questions over and over, “Mary”?

      December 10, 2013 at 6:53 pm |
      • Observer

        It's because "Mary" is a troll who uses a long list of aliases.

        December 10, 2013 at 6:55 pm |
    • Observer

      Mary,

      Sorry you missed the question. Here it is:

      Do you believe and support EVERY word of the Bible

      December 10, 2013 at 6:53 pm |
    • Positron

      Why do you keep asking the same questions over and over, Mary?

      December 10, 2013 at 6:56 pm |
    • Doris

      I don't even see how Mary could say Satanists are evil by her own standards since she hasn't shown that she understands who she's yakking about.

      December 10, 2013 at 6:57 pm |
    • Douglas

      Why don't you answer questions,, Mary?

      December 10, 2013 at 6:59 pm |
  7. Observer

    Mary,

    Do you believe and support EVERY word of the Bible?

    December 10, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
    • oo oo

      do u believe in the stooges or bart?

      who was jesus? y do u believe that?

      December 10, 2013 at 7:06 pm |
    • oo oo

      do u like the garbage dm self-publishes and no one reads and scholars laugh at and dismiss?

      y run?

      December 10, 2013 at 7:11 pm |
    • oo oo

      christ is god

      wouldn't u agree the new testament proclaims that perfectly clearly?

      December 10, 2013 at 7:15 pm |
    • oo oo

      christ is god

      wouldn't u agree the new testament proclaims that perfectly clearly?

      don't no? or scared?

      I AM GOOD

      December 10, 2013 at 7:16 pm |
      • Doris

        It does proclaim it clearly. But it also screams "add-on screenplay".

        December 10, 2013 at 7:32 pm |
      • Mary

        Why do you think that you're good?

        December 10, 2013 at 7:33 pm |
    • jesusissaviorforme

      just visit this website: you will know how the Bible is very true. >> http://www.amazingfacts.org/

      December 10, 2013 at 7:40 pm |
    • oo oo

      christ is god

      wouldn't u agree the new testament proclaims that perfectly clearly?

      don't no? or scared?

      I AM GOOD

      I am a shining light of truth in a sea of deceit

      December 10, 2013 at 8:29 pm |
  8. Oo OO

    satan can't understand what's being said when praying in tongues

    December 10, 2013 at 6:47 pm |
    • oo oo

      satan, athie's god, shines like a light and trembles.

      December 10, 2013 at 6:52 pm |
  9. Oo OO

    satan can't listen in and understand what's being said when praying in tongues

    December 10, 2013 at 6:47 pm |
    • Doris

      Bart Erhman had a one-liner in one of his talks that addressed the source for the "tongue" people. Quite funny.

      December 10, 2013 at 6:51 pm |
      • oo oo

        have u heard angels dis xtian?

        December 10, 2013 at 6:53 pm |
        • oo OO

          at least bart realizes christ lived, unlike the birdbrain dm murdock. she don't no what day it is

          December 10, 2013 at 7:00 pm |
  10. Oo OO

    they say satan can't listen in and understand what's being said when praying in tongues

    December 10, 2013 at 6:46 pm |
  11. Mary

    Why does religion get supported by atheists when the religion at issue is Satanism?

    December 10, 2013 at 6:42 pm |
    • bostontola

      You need to distinguish support for a religion, and support for their right to exist. I support the right of Christianity to exist. I think satanism is as loco as Christianity.

      December 10, 2013 at 6:44 pm |
    • Observer

      Mary,

      Why are you so AFRAID to answer questions?

      December 10, 2013 at 6:44 pm |
      • Mary

        Why do you ask?

        December 10, 2013 at 6:46 pm |
        • Douglas

          Answer the questions, troll.

          December 10, 2013 at 7:01 pm |
        • oo oo

          Douglas
          Answer the questions, troll.

          lol

          December 10, 2013 at 7:08 pm |
    • Doris

      I like to think there are many possibilities for things, but I'm afraid Observer that the only logical answer is that Mary is STUMPED.

      December 10, 2013 at 6:46 pm |
    • Philip Douglas

      Why do you keep asking the same questions over and over, "Mary"?

      December 10, 2013 at 6:51 pm |
  12. fred

    ME II
    You also never showed me anything that Jesus said which was not truth. I would then conclude it is not unreasonable to believe He holds the truth in other things we cannot understand

    December 10, 2013 at 6:36 pm |
    • Big big

      stretch when you're talking about someone whose word we didn't get first hand...

      December 10, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
      • fred

        By the Words all known history was forever changed including the dominate Christian World View of today. Evidence and reality is what you see in front of your face not what some atheist sound bite attempts to claim

        December 10, 2013 at 6:42 pm |
        • Observer

          fred

          "Evidence and reality is what you see in front of your face"

          Well done. The other day you said the OPPOSITE. Ooops.

          December 10, 2013 at 6:47 pm |
        • fred

          No, I said we would agree generally as to the observed physical properties however, where I see the full reality that includes that which is of God you only see the physical events

          December 10, 2013 at 6:55 pm |
        • Observer

          fred,

          Once again you show your lack of use of dictionaries.

          December 10, 2013 at 6:57 pm |
        • fred

          Observer
          Reality is what is regardless of your opinion. Now, there is the known physical properties of this existence and the unknown physical properties. To claim you do not know or cannot understand the unknown that exists is simple nonsense. Somehow in your logic you think that pretending you do not have a belief concerning that which exists outside the known is better than the explanation of the unknown given the single most influential person in the history of mankind.
          That's right you think you are better than Jesus. Sorry, no one ever heard of you and that even when we do you use a fake name. Now that's reality

          December 10, 2013 at 7:44 pm |
    • bostontola

      Is Jesus 1 with the Father and the is the Old testament His? If so, there is lots not true there.

      December 10, 2013 at 6:41 pm |
      • Simple

        Christians want Jesus to be God but then they also want to divorce him from the Hebrew scriptures because it contains some pretty vile shlt. They do it when they claim the Mosaic law was fullfilled by Christ without even stopping to think that if it was Jesus who wrote the law and then came to fulfill it then it's the same being, no different then the one that demanded the Samaritan babies and pregnant women torn open for disobeying him.

        December 10, 2013 at 6:47 pm |
        • fred

          Just as the Flood and tower of babble were major events that required a drastic intervention by God due to direction of man so it was with Jesus. The Jews had added so much to the Law it was more of a reflection of man than God that Jesus had to set things straight. Civilization reached a point where time was ripe for the Good News and the inclusion of those not born of the seed of Abraham to be given the truth to carry forward. The Hebrew or Chosen Ones were tasked with bringing the Law and revelation of God forward through the generations and now all believers filled with the Holy Spirit would carry message of salvation.

          December 10, 2013 at 7:02 pm |
        • Simple

          If the God of the bible is perfect and divine then he should never have to change. Instead he exhibits human emotions of doubt and regret and revenge. "6 So the Lord was sorry he had ever made them and put them on the earth. It broke his heart. 7 And the Lord said, “I will wipe this human race I have created from the face of the earth. Yes, and I will destroy every living thing—all the people, the large animals, the small animals that scurry along the ground, and even the birds of the sky. I am sorry I ever made them.” Genesis 6:5-6

          If this God was so powerful why would he not just eliminate the evil doers? Instead he wipes out nearly all life on the planet. Maybe God is really a woman and that was just her time of the month...

          December 10, 2013 at 7:15 pm |
        • Galen

          Mandeville "Fable of the Bees"

          December 10, 2013 at 7:23 pm |
        • jesusissaviorforme

          please, read this article.. here is the link>> http://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible-questions/why/genesis-6/

          December 10, 2013 at 7:28 pm |
        • fred

          Simple
          That is exactly what God did with the flood. God blotted out every evil that was not on the ark.

          December 10, 2013 at 7:25 pm |
        • Czar Chasm

          So how did evil survive the flood? It seems like God either missed, did a lot of killing but didn't fix anything, or maybe had nothing to do with any ancient flood.

          December 10, 2013 at 7:45 pm |
        • fred

          Czar Chasm
          Just as in the Garden of Eden there was the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Noah and his children had the knowledge of Good and Evil even though Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord. That evil was evident shortly after they landed and Noah became drunk. Those same choices are always before man who makes his or her own decision on following God going the way Jesus made clear to us or going after their own way.
          The flood was necessary for several reasons one was the increasing wickedness of those surrounding the Chosen Ones. They would not have had a chance to bring about the Good News if God did no blot out all the wicked ones. It is a recurrent story in the Bible where God brings through a remnant that believe in order to bring about His will. That will is all come to the glory of God.

          December 10, 2013 at 8:28 pm |
    • Doris

      While you have time, fred, better grab some more straw for Solomon's stables. They might just come out with another number for that one yet...

      December 10, 2013 at 6:43 pm |
      • fred

        Good News Doris you have the opportunity to see God. Don't pass it up as the offer only goes so far.

        December 10, 2013 at 7:04 pm |
  13. Mary

    Why wouldn't I regard Satanists as evil when Satan himself is the personification of evil? Duh.

    December 10, 2013 at 6:36 pm |
    • Why

      did you misunderstand the article, Mary?

      December 10, 2013 at 6:37 pm |
    • Ben

      Satan is the personification of evil according to his self-described enemies. Tell me, should we judge you according to what your enemies say about you?

      December 10, 2013 at 6:39 pm |
    • Simple

      If Satan were real then there would be some objective universal evil. So far there is no evidence of anything like that and time after time evil has proved itself to be subjective, usually with the victim aka subject of said evil proclaiming how evil whatever they had decided was not good for them. If you believe evil is objective please cite any example.

      December 10, 2013 at 6:42 pm |
    • Philip Douglas

      Why do you keep asking the same questions over and over, “Mary”?

      December 10, 2013 at 6:53 pm |
  14. Mary

    If people believe in good, then why do they want something that is a blatant representation of evil?

    December 10, 2013 at 6:30 pm |
    • Observer

      Mary,

      Why are you HIDING from answering questions? Why so AFRAID?

      December 10, 2013 at 6:32 pm |
      • Because Mary is a troll.

        December 10, 2013 at 6:40 pm |
    • Why

      Mary? Why have you consistently misrepresented the subject of the article?

      December 10, 2013 at 6:36 pm |
      • Satan is not a a true god at all

        Satan is not a true god, we must remove these activities. The only true God who is in heaven, is ancient Americans' God. Satanisms are shameless. God's enemy? how could we allow the statue to place beside God's the ten commandments.

        December 10, 2013 at 6:50 pm |
        • HotAirAce

          "ancient Americans' God" – how old would these Americans be? A couple hundred years? That's not ancient?

          December 10, 2013 at 6:55 pm |
    • Simple

      Maybe its because there is no objective good and evil, there is only subjective good and evil. In this case, the proponents of the Satanist statue are not presenting it as a representation of evil, they are presenting it as a "literary construct," much like your God.

      December 10, 2013 at 6:38 pm |
    • bostontola

      Mary,
      Our country is governed by laws. Follow them and all is fine, don't and you risk incarceration.

      Which laws have precedence for you, Government law or your religious laws?

      December 10, 2013 at 6:38 pm |
      • Satan is not a a true god at all

        Our country is discovered by the people who were religious persons, not satanists. That's why we had been saying this "In God We Trust." You might need to Read the history of America.

        December 10, 2013 at 6:59 pm |
        • Jep

          You might want to look up the US Constitution. You guys don't get special preference. Sorry.
          You also might look up the meaning if E Pluribus Unum, and when the loons replaced the original intent of the FF with their own flavor if the month.

          December 10, 2013 at 7:07 pm |
    • Ben

      Mary
      That's "evil" according to some people's definition, just like God is only "good" according to other people's definition.

      December 10, 2013 at 6:42 pm |
  15. Disgruntled Christian

    All of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Not for anything you said or did but you are sinners from birth so you should just be ashamed of yourselves, if you aren't then how will we ever get control over you so we Christians can feel safe in our faith? Just because our group gets special privileges to put up a monument to our God shouldn't mean everyone gets to do it, if they did then our religion doesn't feel as special, it should only be us, the established religion that gets to put their monument on public buildings and land!

    December 10, 2013 at 6:27 pm |
    • OO OO

      amen!

      December 10, 2013 at 6:40 pm |
    • OO OO

      do u speak in human or angelic tongues?

      December 10, 2013 at 6:42 pm |
    • Blatent

      Sarcasm. Love it.

      December 10, 2013 at 6:44 pm |
    • Doris

      Wow – lol and the sarcasm even wound up engorging oo oo. I guess it got all tingly too.

      December 10, 2013 at 6:55 pm |
  16. Mary

    Why are you saying that Hitler was evil if you think that I'm not one to say that Satanists are evil?

    December 10, 2013 at 6:13 pm |
    • Observer

      What has the Satanist group done that is evil?

      December 10, 2013 at 6:17 pm |
      • Some Antics

        You don't actually believe Mary knows any Satanists do you? She is making an assumption, and you know what that measn, she's making an ass out of umption...

        December 10, 2013 at 6:29 pm |
      • Satan is not a a true god at all

        I know that Satan is real. I had a friend who can tell about all the Satanism. It is real. Satan offers only Money, not a true happiness of life. But some people who love money are in. Finally, you will have to sacrifice all of you souls to the Devil. But commonly now they are trying to show you that their religion is great and simple. I must say it is not true. Jesus is more powerful, and savior who can gives you hope for eternity.

        December 10, 2013 at 7:10 pm |
    • bostontola

      Doc.umentary proof that Hitler led the systematic murder of targeted peoples. What have satanists done?

      December 10, 2013 at 6:19 pm |
      • Mary

        Why are you defending people who sacrifice babies?

        December 10, 2013 at 6:22 pm |
        • bostontola

          I answered your question, you didn't answer mine, why?

          Who is sacrificing babies?

          December 10, 2013 at 6:23 pm |
        • ME II

          lol... they haven't done that in years, well months anyway. /sarcasm

          December 10, 2013 at 6:24 pm |
        • Observer

          Mary,

          The Bible says that when God got done with his killing spree, he had KILLED EVERY pregnant woman, child, baby and fetus on the face of the earth.

          What was your point, if any?

          December 10, 2013 at 6:25 pm |
        • Doris

          Of course there is that awful Santa Muerte Christian sect that still sacrifices people. Just awful.

          December 10, 2013 at 6:27 pm |
        • Topher

          Doris

          If there's a sect sacrificing people, then they aren't Christian.

          December 10, 2013 at 6:30 pm |
        • bostontola

          There are a disturbing number of fundamentalist Christians that let their innocent children die by denying them medical attention, is that what you are referring to Mary?

          December 10, 2013 at 6:32 pm |
        • Stats

          More than seven in 10 U.S. women obtaining an abortion report a religious affiliation (37% protestant, 28% Catholic and 7% other), and 25% attend religious services at least once a month...

          70% are religious... maybe you religious need to get your own house in order before you come knocking on mine...

          December 10, 2013 at 6:34 pm |
        • fred

          ME II
          If they teach their children to hate God there is a good chance their children will be hateful also. Thus they sacrifice their own children to Satan.

          December 10, 2013 at 6:35 pm |
        • Observer

          fred

          "If they teach their children to hate God there is a good chance their children will be hateful also. Thus they sacrifice their own children to Satan."

          The only people who can HATE God are believers. Lecture your fellow Christians. You are looking foolish if you think ANY atheist hates God. Ooops.

          December 10, 2013 at 6:38 pm |
        • Doris

          Oh Topher, that's what one Christian says about another Christian on many subjects. Granted this is a weird one, but their roots are deep in Christianity.

          December 10, 2013 at 6:41 pm |
        • Topher

          Depends on whether the subject being disagreed about is essential or not. For instance, I disagree with Presbyterians on whether to baptize babies. Our differences are not an essential, so we are still brothers in Christ. But if the thing is essential, like JW says Jesus was an angel, not God — this is a belief that puts them strictly outside of Biblical orthodoxy and thus we are not brothers. Jesus Himself gets to decide who are in or out of the faith. And when He says certain actions puts your outside of the faith — that you really aren't one of His followers — I think He has that authority. So if you are outside of that, you aren't a Christian ... even if you call yourself one.

          December 10, 2013 at 6:46 pm |
        • bostontola

          fred,
          Many Muslims think Christians sacrifice their children by not teaching them Islam.

          December 10, 2013 at 6:48 pm |
        • fred

          bostontola
          On this note Christians and Muslims agree that Satan worship is wrong. I would think even atheists and agnostic find Satan worship wrong. Now, if the assumption is they are just a bunch of nice people doing good things who reject God then they would fall into the same subset as these Satanists.

          December 10, 2013 at 7:10 pm |
        • Czar Chasm

          Just so you don't feel foolish any longer fred you may want to look up Satanism as most Satanists do not believe in an actual being called Satan, as the article points out they view him as they do God, a litterary construct. It would be like the fan club for Voldemort versus Harry Potter, do you really think fans of Voldemort are rubbing their hands together planning the next death eater attack? If you do then you are farther gone into lunacy then I had thought.

          December 10, 2013 at 8:01 pm |
  17. bostontola

    Satanism has the same right to exist as any of the Christian sects, or Judaism, Hinduism, etc.

    If a Government facility allows one group to pay for and install a religious monument, how can it exclude another and abide by "no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

    December 10, 2013 at 6:10 pm |
    • Mary

      What if it were a religion that promoted genocide and one-party rule?

      December 10, 2013 at 6:17 pm |
      • bostontola

        Are satanists doing that?

        December 10, 2013 at 6:20 pm |
        • Mary

          Why can't I ask a hypothetical question?

          December 10, 2013 at 6:23 pm |
        • bostontola

          Anyone can promote 1 party rule.

          Promoting genocide is not committing genocide, not being a lawyer I cant say if promoting it is illegal. If they don't break laws, they can have their religion as far as I'm concerned. If they break laws, they can't.

          December 10, 2013 at 6:26 pm |
      • Ben

        Mary
        The God of the Bible promoted genocide and Jesus will apparently return to establish a complete dictatorship over the entire world, right?

        December 10, 2013 at 6:38 pm |
  18. Ben

    I like the Elf Rules better
    1. Treat every day like Christmas
    2. Theres room for everyone on the nice list.
    3. The best way to spread Christmas cheer is singing loud for all to hear.
    🙂

    December 10, 2013 at 6:08 pm |
    • ME II

      Awesome, I don't have to work on Christmas!

      December 10, 2013 at 6:17 pm |
  19. Mary

    Why aren't the same arguments used against God's existence also used against Satan's?
    Why the double standard?

    December 10, 2013 at 5:50 pm |
    • ME II

      "They believe Satan is a 'literary construct,' the spokesman said, not an actual being with horns and hooves." – the article

      December 10, 2013 at 5:53 pm |
      • Good point,

        ME II. At least someone here is trying to stay on topic.

        December 10, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
      • Mary

        Why do they want a monument for a being that they believe does not exist?

        December 10, 2013 at 5:56 pm |
        • Some Antics

          Maybe for the same reason there are Mickey Mouse statues at Disney Land... We know Mickey doesn't exist but he represents childhood fantasy and thus can be used as a figurehead for imagination.

          December 10, 2013 at 6:00 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          Would you be supportive of a Hindu display?

          December 10, 2013 at 6:00 pm |
        • Mary

          Why can't Jews and Christians use the same reason?

          December 10, 2013 at 6:02 pm |
        • ME II

          @Mary,
          That is a theological question.
          Are you saying that they don't have the right to express their religion in the manner they choose?

          December 10, 2013 at 6:03 pm |
        • Mary

          Why would I support a Hindu display when I am not Hindu, nor am I in India?

          December 10, 2013 at 6:03 pm |
        • ME II

          @Mary
          "Why would I support a Hindu display when I am not Hindu, nor am I in India?"

          ...because supporting other people's rights also supports your own. It's not a difficult concept.

          December 10, 2013 at 6:06 pm |
        • Mary

          Why would I support the rights of others when they aren't supporting mine?

          December 10, 2013 at 6:09 pm |
        • Ben

          There are statues to Peter Pan and Rocky Balboa, so why not Satan?

          December 10, 2013 at 6:10 pm |
        • ME II

          @Mary,
          "Why would I support the rights of others when they aren't supporting mine?"

          1) Because it's the law.
          2) Because you agree with the right and that everyone should have equal rights.

          Also, how are they not supporting your rights?

          December 10, 2013 at 6:15 pm |
        • doobzz

          "Why would I support a Hindu display when I am not Hindu, nor am I in India?"

          I'm ready to call poe on this one.

          December 10, 2013 at 6:18 pm |
        • ME II

          @doobzz,

          Maybe you're right

          December 10, 2013 at 6:22 pm |
    • It's just

      not necessary. Just like the theistic use of the terms "truth" and "free will". All necessary for those religions that utilize them. Not necessary if you don't subscribe.

      December 10, 2013 at 5:53 pm |
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