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Satanists want statue next to 10 Commandments
A Ten Commandments monument erected outside the Oklahoma state Capitol.
December 9th, 2013
01:46 PM ET

Satanists want statue next to 10 Commandments

By Daniel Burke, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
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(CNN) - Lots of lawmakers have been accused of devilish behavior, but Oklahoma's state capitol may become the first to actually have a monument to Satan.

If a New York-based group called the Temple of Satan gets its way, a statue of the Evil One would sit next to the recently erected 10 Commandments monument on state capitol grounds.

"They said they wanted to be open to different monuments," said Lucien Greaves, a spokesman for the Temple of Satan, "and this seems like a perfect place to put that to the test."

Greaves and some legal experts say the Constitution is clear: the government can't endorse one particular religion. So, if a state capitol has a monument to one faith, it must allow monuments to others as well.

The Temple of Satan is less a religious body organized around rituals and regular meetings than a roving band of political provocateurs, said Greaves. They believe Satan is a "literary construct," the spokesman said, not an actual being with horns and hooves.

Last year, the Temple organized a gay and lesbian kiss-in at the gravesite of the mother of anti-gay preacher and activist the Rev. Fred Phelps. It also held a rally at Florida's state capitol in support of a law that allows "inspirational messages" at public school assemblies.

"It allows us to spread the message of Satanism," which centers around respect for diversity and religious minorities, said Greaves.

Oklahoma legislators voted to erect the Ten Commandments monument in 2009, using private funds donated by Rep. Mike Rietz, a surgeon and Southern Baptist deacon.

Rietz declined to comment on the Satanists' proposal on Monday, citing an separate and ongoing dispute with the American Civil Liberties Union over the Ten Commandments monument.

Oklahoma state Rep. Bob Cleveland told CNN that he's not in favor of the Satanist's proposed statue.

"I believe that only monuments that reflect Oklahoma values should be allowed on capitol the capitol grounds," Cleveland said in an e-mail on Monday.

But if Christians and Jews can have their monument to the 10 Commandments, then Satanists must be allowed to erect their own statue, said Brady Henderson, legal director of the American Civil Liberty Union's Oklahoma chapter.

"We feel like the Satanic Temple has a very strong argument to say that, if the state allows one religious monument, you have to allow others," Henderson said.

Oklahoma's statehouse grounds already has monuments honoring its heritage and Native American history, said Trait Thompson, chair of the Capitol Preservation Commission.

"Individuals and groups are free to apply to place a monument or statue or artwork," Thompson said.

The commission then determines whether the proposal abides by its standards and votes on whether to approve it.

Greaves said he's received the required forms from Oklahoma's Capitol Preservation Commission and is working on a design that will meet its standards.

"We want something big and bold that will be able to stand up to the weather or whatever other kinds of assaults," that may target the monument, he said.

"My favorite idea right now is an object of play for children. We want kids to see that Satanism is where the fun is."

The Temple of Satan created a Indiegogo fundraising page on Monday, but have thus far only publicly raised $150 towards its goal of $20,000.

Not all Satanist groups see the fun in political provocations.

Magus Peter Gilmore, head of the Church of Satan, which was founded by Anton LaVey in 1966, said he believes in strict separation of church and state.

"Rather than placing multiple 'advertisements' for various religions, we think it best for the (10 Commandments) monument to be removed to private property and that there be no objects supporting religion of any sort placed on the statehouse grounds," Gilmore said.

Earlier this year, Gilmore's Church of Satan squared off against a British group of Satanists over abortion rights, after activists shouted "Hail Satan" to drown out anti-abortion activists at the Texas state capitol.

READ MORE: Satanists square off on abortion (Yes, really)

- CNN Religion Editor

Filed under: Belief • Church and state • Culture wars • Devil • Satanism

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  1. WASP

    would someone please explain how a perfect being makes soooooo many mistakes?

    1) the angels
    2) adam and lilith
    3) adam and eve
    4) the great flood
    5) jesus

    so they guy is what? perfect at messing up? XD

    i vote we hear the other side of the story before siding with either party.
    "will mr.lucifer please take the stand" XD

    December 12, 2013 at 2:36 pm |
    • Some Antics

      I certainly wouldn't hire that carpenter to remodel my kitchen...

      Sits around with his "12" friends aka a case of Pabst Blue Ribbon and tells me to have faith. Sure he has run over budget and said it would be done nearly 2000 years ago, but he took off with my checkbook saying he had to pick up some more stuff at Home Depot and never came back...

      December 12, 2013 at 2:51 pm |
    • fred

      I give up how was Jesus a mistake

      December 12, 2013 at 2:59 pm |
      • .

        So...no answer? Typical.

        December 12, 2013 at 3:17 pm |
      • In Santa we trust

        The fact that an omnipotent god made so many mistakes that it needed a "son" on earth to absolve sin. Sounds ridiculous that an omnipotent, omniscient being couldn't have done a better job of "its creation". Forgot to make Eve! Can't control "its creation Satan"! Killed almost everything on earth when upset with some humans!

        December 12, 2013 at 4:45 pm |
        • Brian

          ahhh so you looking for a puppet master? one who makes its creation with no ability to make choices? areyou telling me love is nothing? that you cannot CHOOSE to love someone?? That's what thisis all about..people CHOOSE to reject God.......and God made a way so they can GO to heaven DESPITE the wrong choices they make....God made no mistakes..why blame God for YOUR choices??

          December 12, 2013 at 4:55 pm |
        • Joey

          If you are a Christian then at best you have the illusion of free will. Since god knows everything that will ever happen and can't be wrong your choices in life have already been made for you. The only way for free will to exist would be for you to be able to choose something that god didn't know was going to happen.

          December 12, 2013 at 5:33 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          NOT at all.....only if you keep to yor perspective that god is 9within our time and space..God is OUTSIDE of time and space,thus youre in a whole new ball park...that theory of yours don't work

          December 12, 2013 at 5:42 pm |
        • Logic

          Logically, God knowing what we are going to do does not mean that we can't do something else. It means that God simply knows what we have chosen to do ahead of time. Our freedom is not restricted by God's foreknowledge; our freedom is simply realized ahead of time by God. In this, our natural ability to make another choice has not been removed any more than my choice of what to write inside the parenthesis (hello) was removed by God who knew I would put the word "hello" in the parentheses before the universe was made. Before typing the word "hello," I pondered which word to write. My pondering was my doing and the choice was mine. How then was I somehow restricted in freedom when choosing what to write if God knew what I was going to do? No matter what choice we freely make, it can be known by God, and His knowing it doesn't mean we aren't making a free choice.

          December 12, 2013 at 5:37 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          "Logically, God knowing what we are going to do does not mean that we can't do something else. It means that God simply knows what we have chosen to do ahead of time."

          So how can there be free will? And how could prayer be effective?

          And going back to the Noah story – if god knew what was going to happen why not intervene earlier instead of killing the majority of life on the planet to "reseed". Why would he need to send a son down to direct people?
          Not particularly successfully as only a minority of the earth's population follow that god.
          Certainly shows none of the omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence attributed to him.

          December 12, 2013 at 9:38 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          God uses HIS timing..not yours../He knows all..do you??? He does it in HIS perfect time. He4 already knew to wipe out the planet save for Noah and family.

          December 13, 2013 at 2:01 am |
    • CHOIR LOFT

      He made you and you're perfect – aren't you?

      December 12, 2013 at 3:25 pm |
      • Fucts

        He is imperfect. Just like his beliefs. Just like his understanding of science. Just like the reason he uses. Everything he does has flaws. Even his judgement of others... flawed.

        December 12, 2013 at 3:28 pm |
    • beautiful mistake

      If God made everything perfect you would not exist.

      December 12, 2013 at 3:59 pm |
      • In Santa we trust

        What do you base that on?

        December 12, 2013 at 4:10 pm |
      • beautiful mistake

        Biology.

        December 12, 2013 at 4:14 pm |
  2. Airplane just lost both engines...

    Stewardess tell everyone to either grab the parachute under their seats or the bible in the seat pocket, which do you choose? The human designed bag of cloth and string packed by someone you don't even know? Or the divinely inspired book of power that says if you pray hard enough you can move mountains?

    December 12, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
    • Easy

      The parachute.

      (Which was co-invented by a Catholic)

      December 12, 2013 at 1:41 pm |
    • fred

      The Bible itself says take the parachute. "do not tempt the Lord your God"

      December 12, 2013 at 1:50 pm |
      • Sue

        fred, nor ask anything from your god that he might actually have to deliver on...

        Now why is that?

        December 12, 2013 at 1:54 pm |
        • Avid1

          God gave us a brain to use. Why would you read, not grab a parachute, in that situation?

          Maybe pray, while doing it...? Like her:

          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2522220/Camille-Bomboy-talks-terrifying-moment-mauled-bear.html

          December 12, 2013 at 1:55 pm |
        • Some Antics

          So why pray if you have the parachute? If prayer wasn't going to work without the parachute what good will it do with it? When you land safely with the parachute who will you give credit to? The parachute manufacturer or God? Religion is so chock full of contradictions its just plain silly.

          December 12, 2013 at 2:09 pm |
        • Avid1

          The story just says there is a parachute. Doesn't mean you are going to survive. Or that it will work. We don't know who packed it. It could be a faulty parachute.

          I might pray that it works.

          December 12, 2013 at 2:12 pm |
        • WASP

          @avid: "Doesn't mean you are going to survive. Or that it will work."

          i'm willing to take the risk on the parachute, that may save my life from ending, then from a book that won't do a single thing.
          parachute can slow decent enough that i will live, even if it malfunctions
          bible is only extra weight on the way down. XD

          December 12, 2013 at 2:17 pm |
        • Avid1

          It is kind of a silly story.

          Like, we are supposed to imagine most Christians grab the Bible instead of a parachute? Come on.

          December 12, 2013 at 2:24 pm |
        • Some Antics

          I think they are implying that all Christians wouldn't give the bible a second thought and would be grabbing the parachute because we know where their faith really lies, the faith in a manmade invention and not in the book that says you can walk on water or move mountains if you have enough faith. In that moment on the plane their faith comes into brutal clarity, they have more faith in man than they do in God.

          December 12, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
        • WASP

          @avid: in a panic while the more animalistic side of their brain is in control you can't really be sure what a human will do.
          some may toss their children out the plane, forgetting to put a parachute on them; or to try to end it quickly so they don't suffer.

          humans are animals and most of the time very unpredictible.

          December 12, 2013 at 2:28 pm |
        • Avid1

          Some Antics

          Kind of like how some non-believers say Christians are delusional and believe in imaginary sky fairies. Yet they fly on planes with pilots who happen to be Christian. Have a complex medical operation done by a surgeon who happens to be Christian. Are taught physics at a university by a professor who happens to be Christian.

          December 12, 2013 at 3:00 pm |
    • ME II

      Just curious, but what airline has Bibles in the seat pocket? Holy Sea/Air?

      December 12, 2013 at 2:20 pm |
    • CHOIR LOFT

      Hey airplane-
      Planes don't have Bibles in the seat pockets and don't have parachutes under the seat. If you're crashing in an airplane and you're last thought is some way of mocking the Almighty I can pretty well guarantee a warm reception in the next life.
      and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft..

      December 12, 2013 at 3:28 pm |
      • yea

        "Grab the parachute under you seat," said no steward or stewardess ever.

        December 12, 2013 at 3:48 pm |
    • lol??

      Plenty of pilots wished somebody had moved mountains. Chutes won't help. That's not the real question, anyway. The real question is where's D.B. Cooper. Heaven or hell??

      December 13, 2013 at 6:14 am |
  3. Topher

    Merry Christmas, everyone.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3sNyZ1RSEk&list=TLE5rL_KXiRdL5cx_-S2rco2W4StE9qNDf

    December 12, 2013 at 1:17 pm |
    • Topher

      Administrators ... please delete this post.

      December 12, 2013 at 1:23 pm |
  4. If morality comes from God...

    then why would a squirt of a chemical up our nose change a persons moral judgements?

    http://www.wimp.com/trustmorality/

    If morality was derived from the soul or conscience and is divinely directed, then why would a chemical make any change or difference?

    This also can be shown in the negative as very moral persons may "act out" and do things they wouldn't normally do when effected by certain chemicals such as alcohol or cocaine that may block our production of oxytocin. If someone actually has a real relationship with a higher power that helps them be moral, why would that relationship disapear as soon as they have had their fifth drink? Does God disapear when you're inebriated? Is there more God in you if you take a hit of oxytocin which has been shown to make people act in a way most people would consider more moral, more generous?

    December 12, 2013 at 1:10 pm |
    • Some Antics

      ...crickets...

      December 12, 2013 at 1:40 pm |
      • Just the Facts Ma'am...

        Christians won't respond because they don't have an answer. They have to believe morality is divinely imparted, otherwise their whoie religion falls apart.

        December 12, 2013 at 2:54 pm |
    • CHOIR LOFT

      Dear IF MORALITY COMES FROM.....
      The 10 commandments would not have been given if some snot hadn't broken a few to begin with. Like all laws, they are set up to define behavior for those who have no idea how to act. But also like all laws there are ppl who think they are made to be broken – who care not a twit for themselves, the ppl they live with or the God who gave them the life they want to screw up.
      ***.
      Without rules and laws to define a productive life, no such life is possible.
      Morality wasn't given to define God. It was given to define man.
      and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

      December 12, 2013 at 3:36 pm |
  5. Avid1

    If that snake starts talking blasphemy again, don’t listen. God wants more for you. And always has.

    December 12, 2013 at 11:48 am |
    • Avid1

      Satan is a damned liar.

      December 12, 2013 at 11:57 am |
      • Some Antics

        Satan isn't. It's not that he's isn't a liar, he just isn't, he doesn't exist, nil, zip, zilch, zero.

        December 12, 2013 at 12:51 pm |
        • Avid1

          "The devil's finest trick is to persuade you that he does not exist."
          ― Charles Baudelaire

          December 12, 2013 at 12:58 pm |
        • igaftr

          and also a fine trick is convincing people that he does , in a book that is flawed throughout.

          IGAFTR

          December 12, 2013 at 1:13 pm |
        • Some Antics

          Our best trick was to convince people there is an invisible silent bearded man in the sky who watches there every move but can be placated with cash which is why they give me lot's of money all the time.

          -The Church

          December 12, 2013 at 1:14 pm |
        • Avid1

          What I have never heard in my church:
          -There is an invisible silent bearded man in the sky who watches there every move
          -God can be placated with cash
          -Give me more

          What I have heard a non-believer state what he imagines I probably hear:
          "Our best trick was to convince people there is an invisible silent bearded man in the sky who watches there every move but can be placated with cash which is why they give me lot's of money all the time."

          Thank God your imagination is not reality.

          December 12, 2013 at 1:18 pm |
        • Some Antics

          "Thank God your imagination is not reality."

          I'm not the one having daily conversations with a man in my head.

          Is your God visible? No? So he is invisible.
          Is your God male? You keep calling it a "He" so I guess I just assumed.
          Is your God omniscient? Then he sees everything you do, otherwise he is not God.
          Can you hear your Gods voice? Then he is silent.
          Do Churches ask for money and remind their parishioners to donate regularly to show their faith? Then their God apparently wants money.

          So how much of this is just my imagination again?

          December 12, 2013 at 1:39 pm |
        • Doc Vestibule

          "The most ridiculous concept ever perpetrated by H.Sapiens is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of the Universes, wants the sacharrine adoration of his creations, that he can be persuaded by their prayers, and becomes petulant if he does not recieve this flattery. Yet this ridiculous notion, without one real shred of evidence to bolster it, has gone on to found one of the oldest, largest and least productive industries in history."
          – Robert Heinlein

          December 12, 2013 at 1:46 pm |
        • Avid1

          Just your imagination?

          A lot of it!

          There is evidence of God we can look for in our life. So, God may be not visible to our eyeballs, He can be detected.

          God a male? No. We use the "He" pronoun. But we also use the "She" pronoun to describe a boat or our nation. It doesn't mean we think boats or our country is a female.

          Is God omniscient? He truly knows me. I can't BS Him like I can people (or even myself).

          Can you hear Gods voice? Not with my ears. But we can hear Him in other people.

          Do Churches ask for money and remind their parishioners to donate regularly to show their faith? Then their God apparently wants money.

          No. We are encouraged to be giving people. Not just give money to our church. Certainly not to demonstrate our faith. We are housed in an old building. So we often have funding drives for repair costs. We donate use of our building to the community (both secular and people of other faith use it). We give back.

          The money we donate goes to help those in need. My pastor has pretty much taken a vow of poverty to carry out her work.

          You have never been to my church and don't know me. So you are either using your imagination or stereotyping me.

          Either way, you are showing y

          December 12, 2013 at 1:50 pm |
        • Avid1

          “In the absence of any other proof, the thumb alone would convince me of God’s existence.”

          –Sir Isaac Newton

          December 12, 2013 at 1:54 pm |
        • Some Antics

          There is no empirical evidence of any God or gods. If there was we would all be believers. It's that simple. There is no evidence of your God and you know it which is why you throw out whimsical rhetoric that has less weight in the real world than the flatulence coming from your backside.

          December 12, 2013 at 2:05 pm |
        • Avid1

          There is no emprical evidence... for all the statements you made.

          And again these statements come from your imagination:

          " There is no evidence of your God and you know it which is why you..."

          You can't possibly know what I know. You are using faith. You are trying to dictate what you imagine I believe. But you are on the wrong track.

          December 12, 2013 at 2:10 pm |
        • WASP

          @avid: "God a male? No. We use the "He" pronoun."

          ummmmm doesn't the bible say that HE impregnated a virgin?
          how about where "jesus" askes "FATHER forgive them for they know not what they do"
          oh yeah and the whole "the son, the father and the holy ghost"

          which apparently your god is gay seeing HE is just a bunch of MEN, and mainly recruits men to work for him. XD

          December 12, 2013 at 2:23 pm |
        • Some Antics

          Apparently not all the angels are gay though as some came down and desired the daughters of men and had relations with them creating the Nephilim (of which there is no actual evidence). These demi-Gods ruled the pre-flood world and filled it with badness, so bad that God decided to wipe out nearly all life, even the animals and regretted he ever made man, at least according to the Genesis account. Of course it also has a lineage back to the first humans which is about 200,000 years too short, says a global flood happened which geologists have shown did not happen and our DNA shows we interbred with neanderthals and denisovians which were related hominid species with remains that go back at least half a million years.

          December 12, 2013 at 2:36 pm |
        • Observer

          If God is a female, then we have a case of female impregnating female. Another miracle?

          December 12, 2013 at 2:39 pm |
    • Joey

      I see AE has returned with a new name.

      December 12, 2013 at 4:35 pm |
      • ?

        Are you the one that stole the AE name? And posted the false claims?

        December 12, 2013 at 5:27 pm |
  6. Dandintac

    Let me first preface by making it clear that I do not believe in gods, or the Devil or any other supernatural beings.

    But for those of you who do, I have a question for you that I want you to think about very carefully, rather than answering reflexively.

    What makes you say that God is good and Satan is the evil one? Have you ever considered that maybe of the two supernatural beings, it may actually be the other way around? Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe God is malevolent, and that Heaven would truly be more like Hell? Think–what kind of being would demand absolute belief, and burn people forever and ever for the mere crime of not believing in him? What do we think of parents who torment their children?

    I use as my evidence, the Bible. I'll let the video, God On Trial, present my case for me. This is the first time I've tried to post a video, so if I fail, please search for it on YouTube. It's a very powerful drama of men in a concentration camp trying to understand how God could allow the Holocaust, and the evil at work during the war. They feel that God has broken their covenant with the Jewish people. Having nothing to lose, they put God on trial. They find that he is NOT good, and that he is in breach of contract.

    Read your Bible. Read it without someone skipping over or glossing over some parts, and telling you what to think about other parts. Reading the Bible this way, thinking for myself, was my first step toward becoming an atheist and a Humanist.

    I don't believe in gods or devils, but if you do, if you are going to go down that road and embrace belief in the supernatural with only an ancient book as evidence, then consider the evidence in that book. How many people does Lucifer kill?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QduJ121DBXU

    December 12, 2013 at 1:10 am |
    • Answering you

      There will never be any proof of anything. Ultimately a person will pursue a god based on emotional reasoning and internal response. In the biblical stories Satan gives the first humans poison, thereby killing everybody that has ever lived.

      That's true in Christianity.

      The bible is of course not the only religious text available. As an American I want those who have other religious texts to have a fair shake and I do not object to the statue. Also if you are asking about religious freedom I am all for it.

      December 12, 2013 at 5:36 am |
      • Saraswati

        "Satan gives the first humans poison, thereby killing everybody that has ever live"

        I hav't read the Christian bible for a couple of decades though I knew it well at one point. Could you clarify this as it isn't how I remeber the story.

        December 12, 2013 at 7:23 am |
        • sam stone

          No

          December 12, 2013 at 7:29 am |
        • genisis

          Chapter one

          December 12, 2013 at 10:19 am |
        • fred

          Genesis 1:2 "Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."
          =>There is your evil. After God created the heavens and the earth we find form of evil with God hovering (brooding is a better translation where God gives a visual of existence without creation (life) that is of God.
          Then God made man in His image God formed man and everything created by God was good, very good and then God rested from his creation.

          Genesis 1:13 "The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
          =>Now Satan or evil had touched man the created image of God. Poisoned by the rejection of the way the truth and the life where man was created in a reality that was very good.

          December 12, 2013 at 11:34 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          And where did you get that info from fred? The Bible right....? And who do you believe is the author of the Bible? God....

          Of course god would claim to be the good one...it is his book.

          In other words....quoting the bible to prove your point is meaningless.

          December 12, 2013 at 11:46 am |
        • Um

          Listening to an atheist talk about God is pointless, too.

          December 12, 2013 at 11:55 am |
        • fred

          Blessed Cheesemaker
          I was responding to Saraswati who asked how Satan killed everyone. Satan was the causation of the reality you and I exist in. Yes, it is according to the Bible. The Bible is the most reliable out of all the Holy Books. If you want to understand the philosophy and religion that addressed good and evil the Bible is one source. I can eliminate the Quran as it was contrived by Mohamed who took the religion of Jews and flipped the good and bad guys around so that Ishmael was the good one and Isaac the bad. Both the Old Testament and Quran contain the key parts out of the first books of Moses. I can eliminate the other Holy Books because they get just to many things wrong. Mostly they refer to their equivalent of God as being in physical forms which means they are made of created matter and typically it is man made created matter.
          God of Abraham is never in the form consistent of created matter. God is in the smoke, the heavens, the light, the glory, sits with the earth as a footstool etc. Where we do see description of physical form it is prefaced with having the appearance of.

          December 12, 2013 at 12:01 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          Really?

          I guess listening to any mental health professional that does not share the same mental problem with their patient is also pointless then.

          Your argument is a bit childish.

          December 12, 2013 at 12:05 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          fred, that is all your opinion. Many do not agree with you.

          As far as the Quran goes at least we actually know who wrote it....unlike much of the bible. Not that I find the Quran to be any better...I just don't agree with you that it is worse.

          December 12, 2013 at 12:11 pm |
        • Saraswati

          Thanks for the answers but I'm still not getting the "killed everyone" bit. So we aren't talking about killing like God killing everyone in the flood? This is some other meaning of "kill"?

          December 12, 2013 at 12:14 pm |
        • Um

          Does the mental health professional spend way too much time arguing on internet message boards against something he says doesn't exist? Even though he can't prove that something doesn't exist?

          December 12, 2013 at 12:14 pm |
        • Ummmmm

          Um,
          " arguing on internet message boards against something he says doesn't exist?"

          Believers exist... and they want to do some strange things, according to their fantasies and supersti.tions, that affect all of us.

          December 12, 2013 at 12:17 pm |
        • Um

          Everybody dies. Well, except Enoch and Elijah.

          December 12, 2013 at 12:19 pm |
        • Maddy

          Fred,
          Except Answering You said, "In the biblical stories Satan gives the first humans poison, thereby killing everybody that has ever lived."
          Is that Biblically accurate? No.

          December 12, 2013 at 12:21 pm |
        • uuuurrrgggghhhh

          You wont find many of those believers posting on this site. If you think you are doing something productive here, you are living in your own fantasy world. One where you are the "logical" and "reasonable" one, and all your scapegoats are "supersttious" and "fantastical".
          Most non-believers are here to hate on others.

          December 12, 2013 at 12:23 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          "Does the mental health professional spend way too much time arguing on internet message boards against something he says doesn't exist?"

          They do when the believers spend so much time and effort telling everone THEY are right and anyone who doesn't agree with them are wrong. And when the believers want to put a list of their supersti.tious rules on and in our courthouses. Funny how the believers spend so much time trying to get everyone to pay attention to them and then when we do they wonder why we are paying attention. Rather ironic...

          December 12, 2013 at 12:27 pm |
        • Ummmmm

          Urrrrgghh,
          " If you think you are doing something productive here, you are living in your own fantasy world."

          No, I doubt that many non-believers have delusions of grandeur that they are dramatically changing the world with their posts. And, no, we will not be quiet about supporting realism, even if our posts are perhaps only a tiny contribution.

          December 12, 2013 at 12:37 pm |
        • uuuurrrgggghhhh

          How about the "internet atheists"?

          "Angry atheist who trolls internet sites denouncing God, Christians and religion; Atheist internet troll who demonstrates a basic ignorance of reason; Atheist internet troll who is ignorant of science and logic while claiming strong adherence to the same; Atheist who contradicts themselves through poor reasoning, especially one who exhibits hypocrisy."

          We have a lot of them on this board.

          "Not to be mistaken for an atheist who merely uses the internet, an internet atheist is someone who is ubiquitous when it comes to websites or forum threads related to religion. They will often poke fun at religion and religious people, especially Christians and Muslims, but they have a sort of "search and refute" thing going on with Christians, whereas the Muslims usually only fall prey to internet atheists when they happen to come across them. Of course many internet atheists have the habit of searching for Muslims, too.

          They usually lack any sense of humor if jokes are made about them, but they find nothing wrong with being incredibly offensive to the point of being disgusting when making jokes about religious people. They also love to show off their knowledge about any subject they might know something about.

          They will often make snobby attempts to annoy or insult religious people, sometimes calling them names, but will immediately condemn someone who bothers atheists, h**mos**xuals or liberals if they don't have a legitimate reason. Even if they do have a legitimate reason that justifies their bothering it might not matter. They will also claim they don't discriminate, but they are usually far more polite and accepting if they think you're a fellow atheist."

          http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=internet%20atheist

          We have so many living examples of this on this board. I wish the logical and reasonable people would stand up to them, too.

          December 12, 2013 at 12:44 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          " If you think you are doing something productive here, you are living in your own fantasy world."

          Obviously you think it is productive to tell us to be quiet, you sound far more worried about being opposed than you do about some concern for our productivity.

          December 12, 2013 at 12:47 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          Oh you are quoting the ultimate authority of the Urban dictionary as a way to demonstrate your logic and reasonablity? Well I guess you win then.

          Listen if you want to have a discussion most of us would be happy to have one. Telling people to "shut up" is not an effective way to either get your point across or to prove you are on the side of logic and reason.

          December 12, 2013 at 12:54 pm |
        • igaftr

          uuurrrrggh
          To paraphrase an often used expression from christians, we don't hate the believer, we hate the belief. Look up what an iconoclast is....it is THAT person who believes that ALL existing and future beliefs be challenged in order to subject the belief to a crucible, burning away the false, and getting to reality.
          It is people's unfounded beliefs that get legislated, violating the const!tution, as is the case with several laws in this country, hojcking the Pledge of allegience, putting a lie on our money, and many other examples.
          You are asking for someone of reasonable mind to stand up?...that excludes believers, since there is no logic or reason that indicates any gods.

          December 12, 2013 at 12:56 pm |
        • uuurrrrggh

          The urban dictionary is spot on about "internet atheists"
          They ignore all kind of bad behavior, but attack anyone who believes in God.

          http://www.salon.com/2008/03/13/chris_hedges/

          Take a stand against these people, too. And if you are one, change yourself.

          December 12, 2013 at 1:04 pm |
        • fred

          Saraswati
          "So we aren't talking about killing like God killing everyone in the flood?"
          =>The revelation of God as creator of life in Genesis is one of bringing about something good, very good out of the deep darkness. In the flood God brought about in Noah the beginnings of the redeemed in Christ. As always we see the image of God reflected in creation of something good, very good. That is eternal life in Christ.
          =>Satan from the beginning was the opposite of that which brings about eternal life. We see Adam cursed with a reality of pain and suffering by the touch of Satan and the first death. God killed an animal making skins for Adam and Eve to cover their nakedness. Note the path of death and suffering. Wickedness in Gods creation continued to grow ever increasing until only one (Noah) remained with the image of God. God "killed" (Although "killed" is not the right thought and is another topic) or in Hebrew "blotted out" by cleansing with water (washing away of evil) everything that could not be redeemed and would snuff out the last of a creation that was very good. The animals were made for man and accordingly went with that which they were created for. Satan was the cause of all this. This is a reality brought about by Satan. Satan is the author of all that is opposed to God. Satan was the cause of the flood, Satan was the killer and God after great patience over a number of years said let it be and it was so.

          December 12, 2013 at 1:09 pm |
        • igaftr

          uuurrrggh
          Funny...take a stand against free speech....
          If you think a blanket statement about internet atheists fits all, you are just as bad.
          Some, such as myself are iconocalsts...I expect hostility when I challenge ones beliefe and often will be aggressive. Too bad you can't do what they did to a famous iconoclast...Socrates...people like you made him drink poison.

          So what if I don't use the level of tact you want....your problem...not mine.

          December 12, 2013 at 1:11 pm |
        • Um

          igaftr

          -And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."-

          From the Star Spangled Banner 1814

          "In God we trust" first appeared on U.S. coins in 1864

          December 12, 2013 at 1:16 pm |
        • igaftr

          um
          Exaclty...that's the lie
          I am one of we the people. I do not have any trust in gods, (and don't tend to trust those that do)
          Since I am one of the all inclusive "we", and do not trust in any god, it is a lie.

          December 12, 2013 at 1:20 pm |
        • Um

          "I’m an enemy of fundamentalism, period. And if I’m not going after Islamic fundamentalism in this book, it’s because what I’ve tried to do is talk about these two very dangerous ideological strains within American society, although the New Atheists are peddling this under the guise of enlightenment and reason and science in the same way that the Christian right tries to peddle it as a form of Christianity. "

          December 12, 2013 at 1:22 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          e pluribus unum

          Much....much better.

          December 12, 2013 at 1:25 pm |
        • fred

          Blessed are the Cheesemakers
          The greatest story ever told remains the greatest story ever told. The fact you dismiss the story because you do not know the author is illogical and unreasonable. Out of that greatest story Jesus actually becomes the most significant person known to mankind to this very day. The fact you dismiss that reality speaks to your sanity not mine. What don't you understand about the most significant person known to mankind in the last 2,000 years? What don't you understand about the biggest political and legal battles concerning what was revealed in that greatest story?
          Exactly how in your mind does the name of the author impact any of the effect and affect of the greatest story ever told?

          December 12, 2013 at 1:33 pm |
        • igaftr

          fred
          Since we can trace where your book was cobbled together from previous cultures, and the fact that enough of the bible is clearly false, and it is proven ( though I know you don't accept the proof even though some of it literally is under your feet),
          to believe as you do in the words that MEN put into the bible is what is unreasonable....especially with SO many other books making claims.

          The bible is the greatest example of propoganda. Also, I have read MANY stories that were far more intriguing and interseting than any found in the bible.

          December 12, 2013 at 1:41 pm |
        • fred

          Maddy
          "Satan gives the first humans poison, thereby killing everybody that has ever lived. Is that Biblically accurate? No."
          => Poison: a substance that, when introduced into or absorbed by a living organism, causes death or injury

          =>Eve ate the apple and gave some to Adam who also ate. The effect was death. It was a physical death but more importantly an immediate spiritual death because death in the Bible is separation from God.

          December 12, 2013 at 1:48 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          fred,

          Just because you claim it to be the greatest story ever told does not make it so. I have heard many stories that I think are better.

          Also the problem is that this "story" is claimed to be actually true, if it was not claimed to be true and it was just regarded as fiction I would agree that the authors identi.ties would not be a huge concern, it would be more of an interest. BUT since the story IS claimed to be actually true the authorship IS of great importance. And the fact that you don't think it is important speaks to your bias...not its importance.

          December 12, 2013 at 1:51 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          Um....this one is for you.

          "Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted."
          - Ralph Waldo Emerson

          December 12, 2013 at 1:59 pm |
        • fred

          igaftr

          "Since we can trace where your book was cobbled together from previous cultures"
          =>no you cannot claim the Bible came from others as there is no evidence of time or origin of the oral tradition. At best you can claim certain works were written before 1400 BC (commonly accepted date for the first books of the Bible). Even if you want to argue these books were written much latter during Babylonian captivity or even as late as 250 BC when the Dead Sea Scrolls were written, you still cannot point to time or place of origin for the oral tradition.

          "the fact that enough of the bible is clearly false, and it is proven"
          =>nonsense. If you are speaking scientifically then you should know science would not make such a claim. In the beginning God said "let there be light and there was light". I am not aware of a single scientist that has even bothered to put forth a hypothesis that light originated from a spoken word yet alone tested it.

          "I know you don't accept the proof"
          =>I accept science as much as everyone else in that graduated in my class. We also know full well that philosophy and religion answer questions science cannot. That is something you need to understand.

          "to believe as you do in the words that MEN put into the bible is what is unreasonable"
          =>Not one person has brought to my attention anything Jesus said that is proven not to be the truth. Until such time it is not unreasonable to believe other statements concerning the unknown are not true also. Tell me where to derive your belief as to why you exist and the purpose of existence if not from men?

          " Also, I have read MANY stories that were far more intriguing and interseting than any found in the bible."
          =>ha, then I suggest you read some of Fred Hoyle and the countless others that call it the greatest story ever written. Hoyle was blown away by the story of creation as seen by science as well.

          December 12, 2013 at 2:20 pm |
        • fred

          Blessed are the Cheesemakers
          "Just because you claim it to be the greatest story ever told does not make it so."
          =>If it turns out to be a lie it would be the greatest hoax ever known and that I would think even your denial defenses would allow you to agree with.
          =>Objectively it is given the amount of times it was told and the number of languages printed in etc.etc etc.

          " I have heard many stories that I think are better."
          =>If it is true then there cannot be a better story. You just read the cynics version that's all. I would agree with you if I read your version.

          "if it was not claimed to be true and it was just regarded as fiction I would agree that the authors identi.ties would not be a huge concern"
          =>How do you say cognitive dissonance .......you do think it is fiction yet you demand authorship.

          Even when we provide authorship you doubt that they are the writers. They are "ghost writers" for God inspired by God. Do you care about who the ghost writer is?

          December 12, 2013 at 2:54 pm |
        • igaftr

          fred
          " I am not aware of a single scientist that has even bothered to put forth a hypothesis that light originated from a spoken word yet alone tested it."

          Of course not....scientists aren't that stupid.

          As far as the story...here is one that is far more intriguing.
          It is a story about a book, written by superst!tious men who saw the need to control the people, get them on common ground, so they created this book, and a god within it, who did many mo=ighty and terrible things, in an attempt to frighten the people into following the rules these men put forth.....many years later, as other cultures philosophies had come to the region, the descendants of these men, who took it upon themselves to enforce and propogate this book, realized that they were losing ground. They then took it upon themselves to write a new addendum to this original book, and they called it the new book, where they created two main characters...Satan, the embodiment of all the potential to do "evil", and Christ...the "perfect" man, the living embodiment of the potential for "good". Combine this Jesus character with some of the new philosophies (especially the Buddha). Now link this Jesus character together with "god" since we cannot lose that core part of the book, and you now have the new book. Since it is propoganda (designed to be propogated to the people), put several passages in this new book as self-affirming, and you have it.

          The book itself and the story it contains is not as interesting as the story of those who believe it to ACTUALLY be true, and how the book came to be in the first place. The amount of death and destruction, as well as peace that this book has brought is the REALLY AMAZING story...not what is in it's pages, but the effects that propoganda can have on the world.

          December 12, 2013 at 3:02 pm |
        • fred

          igaftr
          "The book itself and the story it contains is not as interesting as the story of those who believe it to ACTUALLY be true, and how the book came to be in the first place."
          =>You have just affirmed the power of the word. God spoke "let there be light" and there was light. Jesus was called the Word "In the beginning was the Word and the Word came and dwelt among us and in him was the light of men".

          "The amount of death and destruction, as well as peace that this book has brought is the REALLY AMAZING story...not what is in it's pages".

          =>Right! the word of God is what strikes you when read the story. That word will bring peace or destruction and has brought peace and destruction. It is self validating and you have validated it yourself.
          =>The sides of Isaac (jews) from the Old Testament and the sides of Ishmael (Arab) stand ready to trigger Armageddon as both children of Abraham square off over the promised land thousands of years after God (in the greatest story ever told) prophesized Ishmael would until the End of Days square off against Isaac.

          December 12, 2013 at 3:31 pm |
        • igaftr

          no fred...i did not affirm the power of the word....it reaffirms the power of words.

          There is no indication that any gods had anything to do with it, and every indication it was men who made up the whole thing...YOU are an example of the power of propoganda...the sucker born that minute.

          December 12, 2013 at 3:51 pm |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          "If it turns out to be a lie it would be the greatest hoax ever known"

          fred,

          While that would be true that does not make it the greatest story ever told. You can look up "false dicotomy".

          "How do you say cognitive dissonance .......you do think it is fiction yet you demand authorship."

          I don't "demand" authorship but I have one less reason to regard its claims as true without it. And you are right, it would take much more for me to accept its claims than just knowing the authors. I don't think you even know what "cognative dissonance" means because you are not using it correctly.

          December 12, 2013 at 10:02 pm |
    • sam stone

      Lol!

      December 12, 2013 at 6:37 am |
    • devin

      Just when you thought you've heard it all.

      December 12, 2013 at 8:41 am |
      • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

        I don't know why you find this funny devin, just the other day you were trying to get me to understand how one has to set aside our own reason and logic when it comes to perceiving the morality of your god. You also said that your god is moral and ethical regardless of his actions (divine command theory).

        Pot...meet kettle.

        December 12, 2013 at 11:39 am |
    • Ben

      Dandintac
      You'd think that people would see plainly with their own innate sense of morality that God is the good one, but with all the genocides, baby killing, wars and other immoral things this character does in the Bible people actually have to be taught that God is good despite what their instinct tells them.

      December 12, 2013 at 9:25 am |
      • Dandintac

        Ben–I disagree. I don't think it's innate at all. We're taught from a very young age that God is the good one and Satan the evil one. Even in secular families, it's infused in our culture. When we ignore names and labels, and look at actual deeds, the literary characters look very different from their supposed moral standings.

        December 12, 2013 at 8:55 pm |
    • Brian

      YOur analogy of parents tormenting their children is invalid. First of all...there may not be fire in hell..as fire is often used as a symbol of judgment, second..God isn't there to torment anyone..in fact Jesus talks of gnashing of teeth...that's evident of anguish...people in hell suffer from anguish and having NO hope NO peace and NO joy..since those come from a God they reject.. Next, it isn't merely going to heaven..todo nothing...This is part of a RELATIONSHIP with God. We arein HIS domain..HIS place..and we are not there to do it alone. It would be hell to those who do NOT want to be with him..so either way, youreject God..even IF you made it to heaven.its hell for you

      December 12, 2013 at 12:29 pm |
      • Some Antics

        "YOur analogy of parents tormenting their children is invalid."
        "in fact Jesus talks of gnashing of teeth...that's evident of anguish...people in hell suffer from anguish and having NO hope NO peace and NO joy"

        So it's not a parent torturing their child with fire, it's a parent that locks their child in a dark basement and never lets them out again, that makes it soooo much better.

        Your imagined God is as sick and twisted as it's followers, that is how I know it's a human invention.

        December 12, 2013 at 1:22 pm |
        • Brian

          READ my entire comment sir,....God does not lock them away...the people who go to hell REJECTED God....who says it is dark place? Their hell is having NO peace no HOPWE and NO JOy cause they REJECT what God offers....Hope, peace andjoy!!! sorry..but you are not getting it...people MAKE the choice..children don't...that's why it is again a terrible anoaogy

          December 12, 2013 at 4:42 pm |
        • Brian

          so I don't see why MY God would be so twisted and sick..PEOPLE are sick and twisted..THEy are the ones rejecting God..and as I said...if they goto heaven....they are in hell for if they don't want God..thats hell for them..but God does NOT force people into his place....we are given choice to love God or reject God......take your responsibility..don't blame others for your hell

          December 12, 2013 at 4:45 pm |
        • Brian

          By the way...why would you want to reject peace hope and joy?

          December 12, 2013 at 4:51 pm |
        • Dandintac

          No Brian. We don't "REJECT" God. We just ask for evidence. Hard, verifiable, testable evidence. It should be child's play for an all-knowing, all-good, all-powerful god who stands ready to judge and punish us for our non-belief. If God is indeed all-knowing, he knows what would persuade everyone. If he is all-powerful, he could persuade everyone. If he is all-good, he would do so rather than punish us. Therefore most likely, such a god does not exist.

          December 12, 2013 at 9:29 pm |
        • kermit4jc

          you DO reject God...if you have NOT accepted him.rthen yu have rejected him..thereis nO middle ground...

          December 13, 2013 at 2:03 am |
        • Dandintac

          Kermit–please define what you mean by "God", and provide hard, verifiable, testable evidence for his existence. If you cannot provide such evidence, you have no basis to say I "reject" your God. That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

          December 15, 2013 at 1:03 am |
        • kermit4jc

          LIsten.Iknow God PERSONALLY. I can provide the evidence..its ALRESDY been provided...skeptics like you wont accept it and it is then therefore your problem..not mine....as I said..I have a peraonal relationship with God..thus I CAN reject other gods. MY God has proven Himsef to me time and again in my life of 40+ years

          December 16, 2013 at 4:07 pm |
    • CHOIR LOFT

      Dear Dandintac:
      For one who claims (several times) disbelief in God, you seem to be overly obsessed with disproving He IS. Like most atheists of your ilk you spend greater amounts of energy attempting to disbelieve and proving your disbelief than believers do their faith.
      ***
      It's as though you were a fish trying with all your might to swim against the irresistable current of the universe.
      "I give you peace the world does not understand."
      -Jesus
      that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

      December 12, 2013 at 3:46 pm |
      • Dandintac

        I said I did not believe only twice–not several times. I thought I should given the point I was making. I had hoped to make types like you understand that I was making a hypothetical point about literary characters. "Obsessed"? Have you counted up my posts? I don't have all that many. There are many Christians and other atheists who have made far more and for far longer than I. And what about you? YOU are on here also–are you not? Pot, meet Kettle.

        For someone who just claims to be "hollering from the choir loft", your post drips with contempt, and the only thing you know about me is that I don't believe in your god. Who is obsessed here–really?

        December 12, 2013 at 9:26 pm |
  7. Vic

    ♰♰♰ Jesus Christ Is Lord ♰♰♰

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ6kQCrPBmo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5w0Vzc1Ks0

    December 12, 2013 at 12:33 am |
    • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

      http://youtu.be/KLphfq_g0kw

      December 12, 2013 at 1:07 am |
      • fred

        Helping people to loose their faith. Exactly how does that make you a better person and how does that increase the overall good in our universe?
        Even with all its faults Christianity is trying to love its neighbor and love God, doing onto others as we would want done to us. Lucky for you God is real and the Borg are not.

        December 12, 2013 at 2:09 am |
        • saggyroy

          Christians telling people they are going to hell. – "Exactly how does that make you a better person and how does that increase the overall good in our universe?"

          December 12, 2013 at 5:32 am |
        • sam stone

          Christianity is not about loving, it is about intimidation

          Christians bloviating emtpy proxy threats is prima facie evidence of this

          December 12, 2013 at 5:42 am |
        • Science Works

          fred is it good for children to deny the facts about you know – evolution ?

          December 12, 2013 at 8:10 am |
        • Michelle

          Doing onto others? Would you want to be denied your right to marry, or would you want to go to a camp to be shamed out of your orientation?

          More like "Doing onto others what we want for ourselves, because it's wrong to want anything that we don't like."

          December 12, 2013 at 9:14 am |
        • Blessed are the Cheesemakers

          fred,

          Faith is not a virtue, it is a crutch. It does not help us in the end, it handicaps us. If you think you are right all you have to do is demonstrate you are...but you can't....so you resort to accusing me of tearing down peoples faith.

          December 12, 2013 at 11:53 am |
        • Brian

          saggy and sam stone..NO intimidation.....unless younow want to say if someone is warning you that the bridge is out on the road youre traveling on is intimidation????? come on....telling it like it is is not intimidation...its just a warning like nay other warning in the universe....if you dont like the warning...get off the road!!! Take another road....don't blame the messengers

          December 12, 2013 at 4:50 pm |
        • cpt fantasdoc

          There's an icy cliff straight ahead. 500' drop.

          That's how.

          December 12, 2013 at 5:02 pm |
        • Brian

          what is that suppossed to mean???

          December 12, 2013 at 5:05 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          Brian, The difference is that a damaged bridge can be examined – there is no evidence that a god exists or that it is your god or that your worship is the correct way to worship that god.

          December 12, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
        • Brian

          youre arguing out of whack..itisnt if the bridge can be examined or not...its the INTENTIONS..coming from the one warning you.....

          December 12, 2013 at 5:10 pm |
        • Brian

          see.initimidaiton is all about INTENTIONS.......so youre barking upthe wrong tree with that

          December 12, 2013 at 5:11 pm |
        • In Santa we trust

          And if there is no bridge (or no damage) what does that say about intentions?

          December 12, 2013 at 5:17 pm |
    • sam stone

      if god knows what we are going to do before we do it, there is no free will

      if god punishes people who lack free will, god is a pr1ck

      thanks for playing

      December 12, 2013 at 5:39 am |
      • sam stone

        Lol

        December 12, 2013 at 6:28 am |
      • Brian

        Nope...youre wrongonthat idea sam......we do have free will..youre assuming a God within OUR time and space....when he is OUTSIDE of that..its a whole new ball game..thanks for playing the wrong game

        December 12, 2013 at 5:07 pm |
        • Dandintac

          But Brian–do you claim that God is all-powerful? If so, then his will is absolute. We cannot possibly have free will–he has all of it. If God is all-powerful, then everything–EVERYTHING that happens, is by his acquiescence. He knows everything that will happen, and has absolute veto power over everything, even every thought we have. He could work us like puppets with the sliver of a thought. This is NOT free will. Furthermore, it is said that God has created a special place for people he doesn't like, called Hell, and that he stands ready to judge us on our death, and if found wanting, especially for doubting his invisible existence, that he will cast us into a lake of burning fire to scorch, and scream in anguish forever and ever for all eternity. I don't call this "free will."

          December 15, 2013 at 1:10 am |
        • kermit4jc

          See...here is your problem..you have no clue to terms..yes God is all powerful..but power does NOT coerce itself upon such things as free will.

          December 16, 2013 at 4:08 pm |
    • Ben

      Big claim, Vic.

      Any evidence to back it up?

      December 12, 2013 at 10:05 am |
  8. rocky8712

    if you want to do that then you need to have a stature of all of the other 100 major religions and then their subcategory religions as well so by the time you are done there will be no room to walk because of all the statues and relics. Don't get me wrong i am a big fan of freedom to practice your faith but this country was founded on religions, the Native American religions, christinity and puritan, quakers and so forth. If it was me i would not have put the 10 commandment statue on the state house i would just erect a huge statue of lady Justice. or the scales of justice. By putting an all religious friendly statue will negate all these problems of fairness, but remeber you do this then you open a can of worms for every other religion to say the same thing..

    December 11, 2013 at 10:04 pm |
    • saggyroy

      Why stop there? We need to put up statues of the 2000+ gods that ever existed. It's gonna get crowded.

      December 12, 2013 at 5:34 am |
    • Um

      PC police!

      December 12, 2013 at 11:56 am |
  9. lol??

    lol??
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    lol??
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    The US is just a shell Nuthin' united about it, unless of course, yer into stolen rainbow tokens. The relentless push of the pwogwessives for the 17th amendment was the final nail in the coffin. Now it's just gang banger children of the commie killer mommies that are runnin' things and playin' gubmint. They created their own perfect storm!!

    Isa 3:12
    As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

    Don't believe it?? Take a looky at the national debt. It's quite the inheritance.

    December 11, 2013 at 8:40 pm |
    • faith

      Shut up, ignoramus. You hate the US so much, GTFO.

      December 11, 2013 at 8:54 pm |
      • lol??

        Proslavery is still alive and well I see.

        December 11, 2013 at 9:07 pm |
        • faith

          Doesn't surprise me that you support slavery. You want to take the US back to 1860, after all. Pay your bills, you deadbeat.

          December 11, 2013 at 9:36 pm |
  10. moment of faith

    I say let them have it. I would love to put one next to the other. Let’s open up discussion

    December 11, 2013 at 7:52 pm |
    • Ben

      Want to lay an bets on which would be vandalized first?

      December 12, 2013 at 10:08 am |
  11. ralphy

    Philly Douglas I haven't seen any from a sam stone. I have seen yours. And you're an insipid troll just like Mary. Shut up. Philly Douglas Oh, shut up. Like we don't have enough insipid trolls like Mary around. don't worry u'll no. it'll seem warm at first u go 1st. i've got something that'll keep u from falling all the way over Philly Douglas Are you retarded?

    I don't care if you don't think Murdock is a scholar. She is. Horus and Zeus are proof. Buddha too. I've seen her sources and Walker is awesome.

    December 11, 2013 at 7:49 pm |
  12. ralphy

    Philly Douglas I haven't seen any from a sam stone. I have seen yours. And you're an insipid troll just like Mary. Shut up.
    Philly Douglas Oh, shut up. Like we don't have enough insipid trolls like Mary around. don't worry u'll no. it'll seem warm at first u go 1st. i've got something that'll keep u from falling all the way over Philly Douglas Are you retarded?

    I don't care if you don't think Murdock is a scholar. She is. Horus and Zeus are proof. Buddha too. I've seen her sources and Walker is awesome.

    December 11, 2013 at 7:48 pm |
  13. ralphy

    Philly Douglas- I haven't seen any from a sam stone. I have seen yours. And you're an insipid troll just like Mary. Shut up.
    Philly Douglas Oh, shut up. Like we don't have enough insipid trolls like Mary around. don't worry u'll no. it'll seem warm at first u go 1st. i've got something that'll keep u from falling all the way over Philly Douglas Are you retarded?

    I don't care if you don't think Murdock is a scholar. She is. Horus and Zeus are proof. Buddha too. I've seen her sources and Walker is awesome.

    December 11, 2013 at 7:47 pm |
  14. oo oo

    . In fact, her ignorance of modern historical methodologies and current studies in various fields is painfully obvious to any of her readers. She makes mistakes for which she rarely apologizes and continues to argue in the same flawed manner regardless of whether or not she is wrong.

    no ones disagrees

    December 11, 2013 at 7:37 pm |
  15. anne

    Who is dumb enough to want something that is pure evil anywhere? The ten commandments are also laws in our country with a few exceptions. Only someone who wants society to suck would do this.

    December 11, 2013 at 7:09 pm |
    • Cpt. Obvious

      Or maybe someone just wanting to make a point? Do you happen to know how many of the ten commandments are laws in the us? I bet it's not as many as you think.

      December 11, 2013 at 7:27 pm |
      • lol??

        Betting is for the injuns.

        December 11, 2013 at 7:30 pm |
    • Michelle

      Let's see. You can't murder, but you can kill whomever you feel "threatened" by in states like Florida and Texas. You can't steal, in principle, but plenty of people feel cheated by various businesses and government tax law. You can lie as much as you like as long as you don't purger yourself in court. There's not much stopping you from swearing a blue streak. Same for sleeping around, as long as you don't mind divorce. Stores and pretty much everything else is open on Sunday. We are a society full of images, and we all but worship Hollywood stars, professional athletes, political talking heads and religious leaders. You can divorce your parents and ship them off to nursing homes featured on 60 Minute exposes, and there is not a dam-m thing that anyone ever does about simply "coveting". Being that this is a country with religious freedom, people are free to worship whatever gods they wish, or none at all. So, all in all, your 10 Commandments are not represented very much in our law, and it's arguable that every society has laws against obvious wrongs like murder and theft, making them completely useless.

      December 11, 2013 at 7:54 pm |
      • lol??

        Close enuff fer gubmint work.

        December 11, 2013 at 8:00 pm |
    • sam stone

      7 of the 10 commandments are not laws in the country, anne. try again

      December 11, 2013 at 8:12 pm |
      • Saraswati

        Yeah, that was pretty funny. The ten commandments dictate that this one god is the true god and no other religion should be practiced. They're one of he most un-american things I can think of, and it must take an act of amazing willful ignorance to believe there's any real compatibility.

        December 12, 2013 at 7:27 am |
    • Michelle

      What's so "pure evil" about Satan, the fact that he supposedly led a rebellion against the dictator God?

      December 12, 2013 at 9:09 am |
  16. Hex Angel

    It's only fair to allow them to have a statue as well. Freedom of religion, it applies to ALL of them.

    December 11, 2013 at 6:59 pm |
    • Sugar free

      I agree, every religion has the same right.

      December 11, 2013 at 7:20 pm |
      • lol??

        No such thing as a free lunch, Sugar.

        December 11, 2013 at 7:24 pm |
    • lol??

      So you know about Hexa and passed Penta?? Pwogwess.

      December 11, 2013 at 7:28 pm |
  17. Rascal262

    "I believe that only monuments that reflect Oklahoma values should be allowed on capitol the capitol grounds,"

    Now we just have to wait for the Supreme Court to take up this case, and then try to determine what God's values are by going through the Bible, finding all the horrendous things he's done, and declaring that God does not, in fact, reflect Oklahoma's values either.

    December 11, 2013 at 3:52 pm |
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